WFMU: Radio Ravioli with Olivia: Playlist from January 24, 2022

Listener comments!
	3:03pm Handy Haversack: Expecting Tull, I have to say. Hi, Olivia and Olivians!
	3:03pm Carmichael: It's radio leftover pizza for me.
	3:04pm efd: looking forward to this week's edition of Radio Ravi-tully
	3:04pm Michael 98145: Hungry yet?
	3:04pm HyperDose: I'd be lying if I said I haven't been looking forward to today's hearty, carby helping of Ravioli 🍝
	3:04pm JG: Make with the Tull.
	3:04pm Krys O.: Greetings! Had some lobster ravioli last night with butternut squash pasta sauce.....yum!
	3:04pm joe mulligan: the contessa of pillowy pasta to you sir
	3:05pm marcel: ravioli ravioli give me the formuloli
	3:05pm Handy Haversack: Room temperature, Carmichael? Also, what pizza place do you recommend? My friend in Davis still hasn't found one he likes.
	3:05pm Yes: hey yall
	3:05pm olivia: "the contessa of tull" lmao
	3:05pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: OK yeah : How great Virtuosos & great Songwriters are seldom the same person. Except in Jazz & stuff.
	3:06pm Michael 98145: @Krys, that sounds tasty
	3:06pm Phillippe: Howdy. I was supposed to but couscous yesterday but bought quinoa instead. Can one make quinoa ravioli?
	3:07pm Phillippe: *buy not but
	3:07pm tim from washington: Hi Olivia! Hi everybody! This is Blondie as in Debbie Harry, Clem Burke, Chris Stein Blondie?
	🍝 3:08pm karlward: This is nice
	3:08pm Michael 98145: fun fact - quinoa is not a grain
	🍝 3:08pm karlward: Blondie ravioli--not just for cookies anymore
	3:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...or - Dennis Diken as a 'panelist' on the lastest Something About The Beatles podcast noted that in the Get Back film, he caught them counting into a song not by going '1-2-3-4' - but by going da da doo doo or however the lyric or melody went. Which is what Unschooled musicians do. & they were TheBeatles...
	3:10pm Michael 98145: that was a strange track ..
	3:10pm rx scabin: Good afternoon.
	3:10pm listener james from westwood: Afternoon, Olivia and all!
	🍝 3:11pm karlward: I may need my ravioli caffeinated, but I don't see that as an option on the menu
	3:12pm Yes: sincere condolences to BBQBJA, wherever he may be. what a show
	3:13pm Carmichael: Room temp, Handy. Woodstock's is the place for pizza in Davis. Cenario makes "east coast style" pizza and, suprisingly, a greek restaurant called Symposium has a decent pie. I'm in Sacramento. The 2 standouts are Wenelli's and Mark & Monica's. Nothing else sizes up. Also, if you're from the east coast, pizza out here is much different. Medium thick crust and LOTS of toppings. Have I mentioned the pineapple?
	3:13pm Handy Haversack: One for the ages, Yes.
	3:13pm listener 126464: Good day Olivia, everyone.
	3:14pm Handy Haversack: I think I blocked it out, Carmichael! But many thanks for that. I will pass along the info. Much obliged.
	3:15pm Tim S: Coworker just revealed a secret cookie stash in the kitchen. I'm off to a great start here
	3:15pm Phillippe: Things I generally like but do not like on pizza: 1. Pineapple 2. Ranch dressing
	3:16pm tim from washington: I'm currently reading 'No More Second Hand God' by Buckminster Fuller. Clearly my edumacation from Western Michigan University is ill-equipped. Maybe it will be helpful when I get to the section on smashing geodesic beer cans on my head.
	3:16pm Handy Haversack: 3. WFMU listeners
	3:16pm joe mulligan: just drove through Davis yesterday Carmichael! the poor AQI made a pretty sunset
	3:16pm Phillippe: true, Handy.
	3:17pm Carmichael: Cool Joe! What direction were you heading?
	3:18pm HyperDose: Getting some cold morning after pizza is my kind of walk of shame
	3:19pm queems: hello olivia & all
	3:19pm garlic lover: I’m having a buckminster fuller moment because I recently had a dream in which I lived inside a giant domed greenhouse
	🍝 3:20pm diciassette: Luigi's on Stockton Blvd makes very good Sacratomato style pizza
	3:20pm Marie: Hey Olivia and all. I'm excited to hear Olivia's guest (and the tunage, of course).
	3:20pm rx scabin: I have to go right after this song.
	3:20pm Carmichael: How do you know about Luigi's, diciassette?
	3:21pm listener 126464: Handy - too funny.
	3:22pm Krys O.: YAY! L'Rain!
	3:22pm rx scabin: I love this song, so maybe after this one.
	3:22pm HyperDose: @queems I walked by one of the dollar stores today and the window was just a big rack of Pokémon. I'll have to snap a pic next time.
	🍝 3:23pm diciassette: My sister, who used to live in Elk Grove, said it was very good. She's on Maui now, so we just went without her.
	3:23pm ChukAmok: Is pineapple a suitable filling for ravioli?
	3:23pm Marie: I worked with someone who felt strongly that a pizza should never have more than 3 "toppings" (I hate that word, not sure why)
	3:23pm Krys O.: Will be heading out soon on commute home, but will be gathering radio signals on the road.
	3:24pm joe mulligan: from el dorado hills back home to san rafael
	🍝 3:24pm karlward: ChukAmok: yes, as long as the pineapple is soaked in vodka and then grilled beforehand
	3:24pm Tim S: Had Star Tavern (Orange NJ) last night, was very good. Arturo's in Maplewood is also excellent
	3:24pm doommaedel: Hello from Scotland! Love your ravioli !
	3:24pm Phillippe: This Aqua Viva is lovely
	3:25pm ChukAmok: Thank you, Karl. I knew I could count on you.
	3:25pm joe mulligan: ahh miss star tavern!
	3:25pm Phillippe: *Agua Jeezus, I cannot type today...
	🍝 3:25pm Niall: Hard not to hear SAW2 in this Agua Viva cut.
	3:25pm Marie: I love the show picture
	3:26pm queems: @hyperdose what were they doing? just hanging out?
	🍝 3:26pm karlward: These vodka soaked grilled pineapple ravioli obviate the need for vodka sauce!
	🍝 3:26pm Niall: @morphe': Still around, hi?
	3:26pm HyperDose: Makes sense from a culinary standpoint, Marie. A lot of people don't lightly sautee their vegetables before putting them on pizza. They end up secreting too much moisture, so the cheese doesn't fully cook.
	3:27pm coelacanth∅: greetings Olivia and Raviolios
	3:27pm Michael 98145: I've lost my tolerance for any but pizza Napoletana
	3:27pm Carmichael: So you came down 50, Joe. Did you see the signs for Carmichael? 😎
	3:28pm Andres: Hello! Also, this Riki, a beaut!!
	🍝 3:28pm karlward: New Haven style pizza (apizza): discuss
	3:28pm Marie: I hear ya' HyperDose AND from an engineering/physics/material standpoint, it can cause fault lines in the crust
	3:28pm MarionFrenchie: Good evening everyone! listening from Paris, loving the show so far!
	3:28pm YETI BOB: karlward: i don't like it. but i have strong NJ/Chicago bias.
	🍝 3:28pm karlward: I shoulda said discuss/fight
	3:29pm Handy Haversack: My brain just clicked into understanding that Karina Gill is in Cindy. Nice! Excited for the interview.
	3:29pm Phillippe: Nice Volvo, coel
	🍝 3:29pm karlward: YETI BOB: is there an NJ / Chicago connection on pizza?
	3:29pm Jay: this is so cool!
	3:29pm ChukAmok: New Haven-style is with clams, right?
	3:29pm Krull Sagan: Ravioliolios, hi hiya to all! Take us away, Oliviolio
	🍝 3:29pm karlward: I see NJ pizza as (usually) inferior to NY pizza. Chicago pizza seems more like a casserole to me. I have never had Chicago pizza though.
	🍝 3:31pm karlward: ChukAmok: I don't eat shellfish. I hear the white clam pizza is popular there. I have had the no-mozzarella style New Haven pizza.
	3:31pm joe mulligan: i'm sure i did Carmichael, we'll have to hang sometime!
	3:31pm Krull Sagan: (Yeah, Coela, is that Volvo fusion powered?) (Doommaedel, how’s the sky this Scottish eve?)
	3:32pm Carmichael: @dicia, I used to live across the street from Luigi's when I was in college. New York style, with the bubbles in the crust. Are you also in California?
	3:32pm YETI BOB: karlward: that is a deep question. there may in fact be a connection. but i just meant, having been born in NJ and lived for decades in Chicago, those are the places i think have the best pizza (outside of Naples)
	3:32pm coelacanth∅: hey Phillippe! in siberia they convert to burn "wood gas", whatever that means how's the little monster?
	3:33pm ChukAmok: @karlward I wouldn't eat that pizza either for the same reason. I think I saw that pie on one of Dave Chang's N'flix shows.
	3:33pm syl76: it's an okinawan folk song!
	3:33pm syl76: the blondie song ..
	3:33pm YETI BOB: karlward: not all chicago pizza is deep dish. my favorite is thin-crust, 'party cut'. the deep dish is more popular with tourists than locals, i think (although i enjoy it once in a while)
	3:34pm coelacanth∅: i've had more than enough crappy pizza in nyc, for the record.
	🍝 3:34pm Niall: Ooo oo there's a place near Cold Spring that makes my favorite apple cider doughnuts, hands down. Where'd you get them? -oh.
	3:34pm Marie: Having grown up just outside of Chicago, I grew up with pizza that had a thin, crispy crust that was cut into squares made by people who were first or second generation from Italy--the "stuffed" pizza and those thick bready slices associated with Chicago-style, I don't like.
	3:35pm HyperDose: @queems I think they were little plushies on clips. So yeah, they were quite literally hanging out! I also strongly disapprove of floppy crusts. But I am a fan of the fold and eat with your head tilted sideways.
	3:35pm Handy Haversack: Yay, Hectorine! I can't endorse that cracker-crust Chicago-style pizza, I'm afraid.
	3:35pm Phillippe: @coel They retain the classic blue, however, so they aren't total heathens! The little monsters are all fine.
	3:35pm coelacanth∅: i'd say there's good and bad pizza everywhere...but then -except for the entirety of the the country between the coasts
	🍝 3:35pm Niall: My favorite Chicago pizza is an NY-style pie from Dante's near Logan Square. God I ordered from them so often, my dog would perk up whenever my phone rang.
	3:35pm Dutch: doe mij maar een pizza calzone - niet van dat gewone :-)
	3:36pm YETI BOB: karlward: I've had much better pizza in NJ than NYC. To me: Naples > NJ > Chicago > NYC > anything else marie: Exactly! Handy: I'll still be your friend :-)
	3:36pm coelacanth∅: (including the chicago coast, i guess)
	3:36pm Phillippe: Planning on my first cast iron skillet pizza this week if I can ever get all of the ingredients together in one place
	3:36pm Marie: Yeah, Handy, great way to describe it! It's like crunchy, cracker-like when fresh
	🍝 3:36pm Niall: Third Coastal Elites.
	3:36pm HyperDose: Sorry to be so smug, but... www.nj.com...
	3:37pm tim from washington: Paisley Shirt is a great record label name.
	3:37pm YETI BOB: Marie: and having it cut into little squares means you don't ever know quite how much you ate, so you eat one more
	3:37pm Michael 98145: Hectorine look cold
	3:38pm tim from washington: I could be wrong but a detect a Space Lady influence in Hectorine and Agua Viva.
	3:38pm Handy Haversack: That Hectorine album is great. A fave.
	3:38pm Marie: @Yeti--and you can control what you bite into more--it's doesn't fold up well. I def. prefer that style to NYC "slices"
	3:38pm Michael 98145: Lotsa square-cut pizzas in Rome
	3:39pm syl76: @olivia Thank you for playing that Blondie song.. my mom used to sing me that okinawan folk song as a kid and it totally made me cry (in a good way)
	3:39pm chris in the redwoods: hi, Olivia and fellow pillow pasta peeps. we love the stuffed pizzas from Zachary's in the east bay over here. stuffed spinach and mushroom? yes, please! :)
	3:39pm YETI BOB: HyperDose: 100% agree with that assessment. Chicago has good pizza but if we are talking about states, I'd never say Illinois was a great pizza state ... Michael: Oh yeah the pizza in Rome is fantastic! There are a few Roman-style places in Chicago that I love (Pizza Metro, Bonci).
	3:39pm Tim S: My four year old asked me last night why I folded my pizza. I love that kid
	3:39pm listener 126464: I'll take pizza at Pizzaland in N. Arlington in the 70's.
	🍝 3:39pm karlward: Fold life
	3:40pm ChukAmok: There's a pizza franchise here that claims to specialize in "Detroit-style pizza", which as far as I can tell just means thick crust and square.
	🍝 3:40pm karlward: I might start folding my ravioli
	3:40pm chris in the redwoods: i may have shared before, but when complimenting the pizza in Rome to a few cops (who turned out be Napoli), we were admonished to no end.
	3:40pm coelacanth∅: after my initial skepticism i learned the wisdom of folding pizza.
	3:40pm Marie: I do love a good stuffed spinach mushroom pizza now and then. Edwardo's was a place that makes great ones. Gotta get back to work now...
	3:41pm HyperDose: Did they take you "downtown", Chris?
	3:41pm Phillippe: There's a local pizza chain here called Ledos that makes a rectangular pizza with an evenly spaced out array of thick cut pepperoni so you know where to cut the squares. Order it with sausage and they just might perch a crumble of sausage on top of the pepperoni like a greasy little adornment.
	3:41pm Michael 98145: cripes. now i'm -really- hungry
	3:41pm coelacanth∅: i imagine i'll never try a stuffed "pizza"
	🍝 3:42pm diciassette: Carmichael, I live in Oakland, grew up in the sticks near Sacramento. The Luigi's I had was foldable if you were really determined!
	3:42pm chris in the redwoods: lol, no they just told us we were lame for not traveling south. :)
	3:42pm queems: this conversation is making me so hungry
	3:42pm Handy Haversack: The grandma pie from the place at one end of our block is the gold standard here.
	3:43pm Michael 98145: at least the pizzas oozing grease are a thing of the past. aren't they?
	3:43pm Tim S: My Brazilian father in law was horrified by what we consider to be very good local pizza. Crust too thick, sauce too sweet, toppings too few. Granted, Sao Paulo pizza is pretty good, it's just a different ball game
	3:43pm coelacanth∅: Michael i hope not!
	3:44pm Marie: I had some of the best pizza of my life in Naples in a place that had a pic of Clinton eating a slice @).
	3:44pm JohnEBGood: I miss the pizza you put in your toaster. I think it was Buttoni 🍕
	3:45pm tim from washington: Let me dispel this "Detroit-style" pizza for yous guys. Detroit style pizza actually originates from Cottage Inn in Ann Arbor (which is not Detroit). It's a thicker crust rectangular pizza. It's mighty good but it's not "Detroit' style. Any pizza I've ever ate in Detroit (and I've eaten a lot of pizza in Detroit) is round and has crust of normal thickness.
	3:45pm Handy Haversack: I fully believe that there's great pizza in NJ, but I doubt I will ever access any. What gets talked about is all in this town or that town, and hard experience tells me that the only thing within walking distance of a train station in NJ is WFMU. Car pizza. Inaccessible. Stories whispered on the playlists of my mind.
	3:45pm Marie: loving this
	3:45pm ChukAmok: My favorite spot in my old neighborhood (Ft. Greene) was Not Ray's pizza. Missing it so much right now.
	3:45pm garlic lover: My favorite slice is from Scarrs on the lower east side
	3:46pm Constantly Choking: Been here the whole time but just saying hi now. Hi. This track is super nice!
	3:46pm ChukAmok: Thank you for clarifying that, tim fw.
	3:46pm Marie: I like the ingredients to be baked under the cheese, then they subtly alter the flavor of the sauce
	3:46pm HyperDose: I grew up eating what we called Sicilian slices. Then sometime in the early-mid 2010's everyone started calling them Grandma slices. Guessing because Italian Americans with ancestry from other regions of Italy also make square pies?
	🍝 3:46pm karlward: Handy when you come visit I'll drive you to Crecco's in River Vale, that place is great
	3:47pm Carmichael: @dicia, cool. Didn't realize the number of NorCal folk on the board. When you say "sticks", do you mean Winters or that area? Or "sticks" like Ione or Jackson?
	3:48pm Handy Haversack: tim, the first year I lived in Ann Arbor, a friend came to visit over Tgiving. I didn't know much about the place yet. We needed to eat, and we saw people going to Cottage Inn, so we went in, took a table. Place was packed. We were greeted very nicely and told that we'd be taken care of soon. We sat there, confused and menuless and then realized that they were doing a Tgiving meal for the unhoused population of Ann Arbor -- and that we had managed to blend right in. We, er, scurried out. Ate at Raja Rani. I don't think I ever want back to Cottage Inn! karlward, I will hold you to it!
	3:48pm Andres: Windsor, Ontario pizza.
	3:48pm YETI BOB: HD: I think Sicilian and Grandma are slightly different. Pizzology is is all about subtle distinctions, kind of like EDM sub-genres.
	🍝 3:49pm karlward: HyperDose: Sicilian (NYC) pizza is thick, dough-y crust. Grandma is more or less a thin-crust Sicilian.
	🍝 3:49pm Niall: ChukAmok - the oiled pan and crisp sides with browned cheese is essential to Detroit style. I do like Jets, as franchises go.
	3:49pm Michael 98145: I grew up eating and enjoying garbage American Pizza. Gawd only knows what the "meat" was.
	🍝 3:50pm karlward: Did the NY Jets move to Detroit and nobody noticed again?
	3:50pm Handy Haversack: Grandma pie has garlic, basil, tomato.
	3:50pm Carmichael: @chris, I have heard of Zachary's but never managed to go in. That's a bay area local chain, right?
	3:51pm HyperDose: That makes so much sense, YB + karlward. Seems like Sicilian went the way of the buffalo as we've started to become a more health-conscious society (yes, pizza is a food group). Fully embracing the grandma pie!
	3:51pm βrian: I suspect Raja Rani was the first Indian restaurant in Michigan.
	3:52pm tim from washington: @Handy - hahahaha! That's a great story. I've been mistaken a the 'man on the street" type a few times myself.
	3:52pm coelacanth∅: i grew up eating tree tavern brand frozen pizza. one day i/we discovered the possibility to add things to it. didn't taste a tavern pizza 'till i started hanging out with the hoodlums when i was ~15. that was nj, and the pizza was excellent.
	🍝 3:52pm Niall: Huh. I grew up calling them "Sicilian" slices. I figured "Grandma Style" was covered with breadcrumbs in lieu of cheese. I've been out of the American Pizza taxonomy game too long.
	3:53pm coelacanth∅: never heard of "grandma" pizza
	3:53pm YETI BOB: I just had lunch, and, damn I want some pizza now
	3:53pm Handy Haversack: The places at either end of my block both make a mean Sicilian pie, HyperDose!
	🍝 3:54pm karlward: If you're in NYC, at some point go get the gigantic Koronet slice on Broadway and 110th
	3:54pm YETI BOB: So…in New York…circa 1960…if you went into a pizzeria, you asked either for "pizza" (the big round one), or "Sicilian" (the thick rectangular one). Then…possibly in the 1970s…pizza-makers on Long Island, as the story goes, started getting nostalgic. They longed for that simple home pie that their mothers or grandmothers had made. By all accounts, they started making, for themselves, a rectangular pie…that was much thinner than the standard Noo Yawk Sicilian pie. The tomatoes on it were fresher, sometimes raw, and the cheese was lighter. Someone started calling this neo-pie "Grandma Pizza," after its origins in the Old Country--and it lay dormant among the pizza-making domestic cells of Long Island for a good ten years.
	3:55pm joe mulligan: Carmichael and chris in the redwoods lets meet up at Zachary's sometime if youre game
	3:55pm tim from washington: One of you smart alecks should host a cup'o'pizza pizza at the next WFMU no bathrooms record sale.
	🍝 3:55pm diciassette: Carmichael, Dixon. I used to live in an almond orchard! They were gradually replacing the almond trees with houses. I could go out back, pick almonds, climb a house frame.
	3:56pm tim from washington: I mean cup'o'pizza pop up.
	3:56pm YETI BOB: (that's a quote from Za-Za-Zoom: The 'Grandma Pizza' Forges Ahead In New York www.forbes.com... )
	3:57pm chris in the redwoods: Carm, yes, Oakland and Solano are the only two locations i know of...
	3:57pm coelacanth∅: i used to like a sicilian slice now & then but now it's boring. it's more dough than anything else so if they're cutting corners and the crust has no flavour at least a regular slice is a vehicle for something tasty.
	🍝 3:57pm karlward: Favorite pizza place is Porta in Asbury Park / Jersey City. That place is off the chaaaaaaiiiiiiiinnnnnn
	3:57pm Handy Haversack: He put the old pizza-in-a-cup guy right out of business. I have met Chris (in the redwoods) in real life and can attest to his physical reality and extreme coolness and niceness.
	🍝 3:58pm Niall: @diciasette: that sounds really idyllic!
	3:58pm The Butterman: Yo Handy, shot in the dark here based on Michigan and publishing… any chance you know my BFF, Jed? I know that he and Hoboken Jack used to work together. Jed went to Michigan. Jed is not a common name.
	3:58pm coelacanth∅: (why i'll probably never try "stuffed pizza" too, because it's so much dough)
	🍝 3:58pm karlward: Porta Asbury Park has the best ricotta I have ever had. Their calzone is--wait for it--off the chaaaaaaiiiiiinnnnn
	3:58pm Carmichael: @dicia, then you know about the Milk Farm. Long gone, but the sign is still there. I worked at UC Davis for about 10 years, and we had an airport off of Pedrick Road.
	🍝 3:58pm Niall: I'd rather just have a stromboli. Strombol?
	🍝 3:59pm karlward: Porta Jersey City's ricotta was not as good.
	3:59pm listener 126464: Benny Tudino's in Hoboken had a monster-sized slice. Yeah, Porta.
	3:59pm Carmichael: @chris, I believe there's one in Pleasnton, and 1 or 2 others nearby.
	🍝 4:00pm diciassette: Carmichael, yep! That's still how you know you're there.
	4:00pm chris in the redwoods: Sounds good, Joe! :) Handy, you are too kind and backatcha! :)
	4:00pm βrian: I recall one Jed Smock who used to preach on the Michigan diag.
	4:00pm Michael 98145: enjoying the musics today
	4:00pm HyperDose: @Handy @3:53 Don't tempt me with a good time!
	4:00pm Carmichael: BTW Olivia, thanks for programming this wonderful music!
	4:01pm Handy Haversack: I don't think so, Butterman. I was in Michigan for two years for grad school so didn't really know the university community that well. I can't think of a Jed that I've met in my little nonprofit corner of the publishing world.
	🍝 4:01pm Niall: Olivia, you have a real knack for finding these current acts that sound like their releases are at least 30 years old.
	4:01pm The Butterman: Well, you’d remember him if you knew him!
	4:02pm coelacanth∅: i had a slice in wappinger's falls, ny a week ago and i think they cut a large pie into 5 slices! (probably 6 really) and it was delicious. and the garlic knots looked amazing, and i don't give a crap about garlic knots... so i asked about them and he gave me 4 complimentary. i will have those again.
	4:02pm Carmichael: @dicia, the Nut Tree ... D'oh!
	🍝 4:02pm diciassette: Oh, I miss that place!
	4:02pm Handy Haversack: You guys are all doing it! "Such and Such in THIS town -- oh, and the One Place in THAT town!" I can barely get to other neighborhoods in Brooklyn! (Though I'ma check out Not Ray's, ChukAmok!) You're killing me!
	🍝 4:03pm diciassette: I really shot myself in the foot, thinking so much about pizza.
	4:04pm Handy Haversack: We have all really done a number on ourselves with this convo.
	4:04pm ChukAmok: Not Ray's is worth the trip on the G, Handy. Plus Greenlight Books is just down the street.
	4:04pm coelacanth∅: heh, is there a place called "Not Ray's"?! ...i had pretty bad pizza at 2 different ray's pizzas in nyc, back in the day. if there was one ray's pizza that was good, i never found it.
	🍝 4:05pm Niall: Coelacanth0: Ray's on Sixth Ave and... Twelfth St, IIRC. The benchmark. RIP.
	🍝 4:06pm Niall: When they closed, my custom went to Two Boots on 7th Ave, most of the time.
	4:06pm coelacanth∅: i hope Olivia doesn't pass out from blood sugar dynamics
	4:06pm ChukAmok: @Handy I say that because I am so far from it now, and nostalgia has taken hold...It might not actually be worth a dedicated subway ride...Maybe if you have other business in the 'hood.
	4:06pm YETI BOB: Ray's = Overrated
	4:07pm listener 126464: pizza spiral
	🍝 4:07pm karlward: Overrayted
	4:07pm Andres: Stroopwafel donut sounds tasty but Oma is shaking her head.
	4:08pm coelacanth∅: oh, Thanks Niall...that address brings it back. i walked there a few times and never wanted to wait on the very long line.
	4:08pm Handy Haversack: Olivia, do you ask Karina about how to pronounce Cindy's most recent album? I am going with "One to Two," but I'm a degenerate gambler at heart. I get down there kind of often under normal circumstances, ChukAmok. We use Fulton St. as the place where we leave the damn system and walk over to Atlantic Ave. to access all the OTHER trains.
	🍝 4:08pm Niall: Ireland is the worst place in the world for doughnuts. Like an ice cream sundae, sub the ice cream with a doughnut. Pretty sure Ireland has invented Type 3 Diabetes.
	4:08pm TDK60: Hi.
	4:09pm olivia: @Handy: yes, it's "One To Two"!
	4:09pm coelacanth∅: two boots was good. i even named a photograph after it!
	4:09pm YETI BOB: Handy - if you ever make it to Chicago we'll go to Coalfire which has some of the best Neapolitan style I've ever had (thin crust, not too crisp).
	🍝 4:09pm Niall: Will yeh be having the doughnut with crushed Rolos and caramel, or the doughnut with crushed Twix and buttercream?
	🍝 4:10pm Niall: @Yeti Bob: I liked coalfire! Nduja and arugula, please!
	4:10pm Michael 98145: Coalfire Pizza is undoubtedly better than coal-powered cars. Just sayin.
	4:10pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Olivia! YB, it is such a plan! It is so on that it is very much like Donkey Kong!
	4:13pm listener 126464: shoplift local!
	4:15pm HyperDose: @Andres Stroopwafel is delicious. The spices in the caramel are what really make it. Have a friend in Leiden, NL who would send me stroopwafel, Milka, and Moroccan hash. Probably why I was able to tolerate my last apartment for so long.
	4:16pm Yes: this is very nice
	🍝 4:18pm Niall: Buying "Free Advice" now.
	4:18pm Ike: Wow @HyperDose@3:26, thanks for explaining why I don't like too many toppings on pizza! I figured the toppings just weighed it down too much overall, but that more detailed explanation makes more sense.
	4:19pm ChukAmok: @Handy Do you walk down Ft. Greene Place to the Atlantic station? That's my old block. #130. Cecil Taylor lived in the brownstone across the street that backs up to the Gov't building.
	4:21pm coelacanth∅: but to create, not to be famous.
	4:21pm tim from washington: @HyperDose - Stroopwafel is one of the great pleasures in life.
	4:22pm Bill: Get this Frog off mic! RIBBET…RIBBET
	4:23pm Handy Haversack: Niall: get 1:2 also. It's great! ChukAmok, I usually walk down St. Felix, but I'll deviate next time!
	4:23pm TDK60: I even get stage fright at friggin' open mikes. Heh.
	4:24pm ChukAmok: St. Felix is a funny street. For some reason I always felt like I was walking through a set used in Seinfeld.
	4:25pm tim from washington: I had been confusing Cindy with Cindy Lee. I didn't really like Cindy Lee so I have ignored Cindy so far. I will now pay attention.
	4:26pm Carmichael: I apologize for starting the pizza discussion 😞🍕
	🍝 4:26pm Niall: Beta Blockers FTW. I'll never forget that video with Jim O'Rourke just trembling at a live show. Poor bastard must have been terrified.
	4:26pm coelacanth∅: TDK i wont do it. poetry readings? nope. karaoke? nope.
	🍝 4:26pm Niall: You got it, @Handy!
	4:26pm Son Of Pantz: @Handy what's your favorite China Mieville novel?
	4:26pm ChukAmok: Never apologize for pizza, Carmichael. You did a good thing.
	4:27pm Andrew Waterloo: I find being intoxicated simply takes away my ability to regulate my own anxieties.
	4:28pm Handy Haversack: I 100 percent know what you're talking about, ChukAmok. Son of Pantz: Probably Kraken? But Perdido Street Station is so great that I can't not mention it. One of my good friends has a rule with his partner: no one mentions pizza unless they are prepared to eat pizza immediately afterward!
	4:28pm listener 126464: Like this record. Pizza don't mind.
	4:29pm Son Of Pantz: Perdido Street Station broke my brain, and I love China for that. How it's not a series on some streaming service is beyond me.
	4:30pm Michael 98145: I find it amusing to see a movie with the name of the Licorice Pizza record stores in Calif ...
	4:30pm Son Of Pantz: They made a movie and series of The Watchmen and both flopped. Perdido deserves it's chance to flop.
	4:31pm Yes: love these dreamy songs
	4:32pm coelacanth∅: i like this album cover that reminds me of the china that was in my grandparents' house when i was little
	4:32pm Handy Haversack: Did the series flop? I thought it was good. There's a lot of anticapitalism in PSS and The Scar and Iron Council. Maybe too much for TV, and I don't think CM would allow the story to be made without that being foregrounded.
	4:35pm listener 126464: Also love the cover art.
	4:35pm Son Of Pantz: I thought the series was good, but it wasn't picked up so... You may be be right about The Scar and Iron Council but Kraken and City and the City would be easy to transform into a series.
	4:37pm Son Of Pantz: @ceolacanth did your family put plates on the walls too?
	🍝 4:37pm Niall: @Handy, are those good starts for a newb? Kraken.Perdido Street Station?
	🍝 4:38pm Niall: I'm in an Airbnb in Drexel Hill right now, and apparently Lloyd "Chronicles of Prydain" Alexander's old house is down the street. I thought the dude was Welsh!
	4:38pm Handy Haversack: Niall, I'd say so. PSS is book one of three set in the same world, but it stands alone just fine. Wow! I thought he was Welsh, too! Those books were SUPER formative for me as a kid!
	4:38pm Son Of Pantz: Kraken is a good stand-alone but Perdido STreet Station and The Scar are 2 handers.
	4:40pm Too Obtuse: Olivia: do NOT be intimidated!
	🍝 4:41pm Niall: This is a great interview.
	🍝 4:42pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, pastaronis! Thinking out loud here ... would there be anything to gain by some recipe of "beer batter pizza"? I guess I'm thinking of beer dough, rather than beer batter.
	4:43pm Barney Grubbs: Kraken is fun because it subsumes all sorts of other mythology. Perdido St/The Scar/Iron Council are mostly built on their own mythos, so it might take a little more effort to get into them.
	4:44pm dreamyandseedy: really enjoying this interview olivia!
	4:44pm HyperDose: OK I'm just going to say it...Karina is so cool!
	4:44pm olivia: thank you, Niall! and OK, Too Obtuse, I'll try! I'm usually not really, but sometimes a younger version of myself within me is.
	4:44pm Too Obtuse: Ken - I wash my pizza down with beer, so no need to put it in the dough! Same for chili
	4:45pm olivia: thanks dreamyandseedy! agreed, HyperDose :~)
	4:45pm Handy Haversack: Word, HyperDose! Word, dreamyandseedy. Enjoying this a lot, Olivia.
	4:45pm olivia: Thanks Handy!!
	4:45pm Son Of Pantz: @olivia you are a great interviewer. Very disarming.
	4:46pm Stephen O: Yes, this interview and music are just great. Midwinter inspiration. Thank you
	4:46pm olivia: That means a lot, Sons of Pantz!
	🍝 4:48pm Niall: Oh, Olivia, this may be out of left field, but I've had no luck finding "The Pale Horse and His Rider" by Totally Ruined; it's a highlight off your "Alien Americana" premium. Might you recall where you found that? I'd love to hear more stuff like that.
	4:49pm eric from lake hiawatha: Miss Karina you have a new fan
	4:50pm duck: this changed my life: "i like lo-fi or people who aren't super talented"
	4:53pm efd: I'm going to ask you "Olivia, where's those tracks" every Wednesday.
	4:53pm HyperDose: Always waiting for a spontaneous Olivia release!
	4:53pm olivia: I could use it, efd! hehe
	4:54pm listener 126464: Karina and Olivia, thanks for letting me eavesdrop.
	🍝 4:54pm Niall: Yeah, this is one of my favorite shows on the station; I'd be chuffed to hear more of your own stuff than I suspect I've heard.
	4:55pm tim from washington: You do great interviews, Olivia. This was so nice to hear.
	4:56pm TDK60: Interesting talk. I'm an untrained musician who's been playing off and on for years.
	4:57pm coelacanth∅: Son of Pantz weird but i don't remember! my grandmother dealt in antiques (to make ends meet because my grandfather, a lawyer, took on too many charitable cases!) so they were around. ...maybe on the walls?
	4:57pm Handy Haversack: Really great talk, Olivia. Thanks for letting us share it! Liking Cindy even more now!
	4:58pm Marie: what expressway? too many syllables
	4:59pm TVP: I always find it a little strange that Californians call them freeway, because I don't think there's really any toll roads out west.
	4:59pm DjLorraine: Very pleasant interview Miss Olivia, thank you
	5:00pm tim from washington: @Marie - Ha!
	🍝 5:00pm diciassette: That/this was/is really cool!
	🍝 5:00pm Niall: Love the cover image for this April Magazine.
	5:00pm Son Of Pantz: @ceolanth0 I'm from the South so trinkets and gew gahs were ever present in my grandmother's house. Hummell figurines and plates with Elvis' face were on all of the walls.
	5:01pm TDK60: Son Of Pantz: Elvis is everywhere.
	5:02pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Karina! great interview Olivia!
	5:03pm coelacanth∅: (we called 'em highways, regardless of if they were tolled or not)
	5:03pm Ike: I believe HBO's Watchmen (which was an odd sort of sequel series) was a success, but the writers/producers declined to continue it as far as I understand.
	5:03pm Marie: Yeah, I enjoyed the interview, thanks. Like just doing the creating is valid and important (and trying (!) to not care/think about its reception)
	5:04pm Marie: love this tune
	5:05pm coelacanth∅: SOP we had a few hummells. i thought they were hideous when i was little! they got multiple fractures long before they could've been worth something.
	🍝 5:05pm diciassette: Goodness, I'm really enjoying my pizza fast!
	5:06pm efd: wow, I have this Mister Baby album but never played it. What's wrong with me?!
	5:06pm tim from washington: I sure like all this jangle.
	5:07pm Son Of Pantz: Hey Sandie, does your dog bite?
	5:14pm Marie: Hey Tim @) always nice to see you
	🍝 5:16pm diciassette: Ah!
	5:16pm tim from washington: Hey Marie! Good to see you too.
	5:17pm HyperDose: I not only adore this album, I wholly endorse it for listener consumption.
	5:17pm Buffalo Bills Quarterback Josh Allen: @yes @handy i am sad. thank you for your support. missed most of the show.
	5:18pm HyperDose: You're not grieving alone, Josh Allen.
	5:19pm Son Of Pantz: This is an incredible pull. I'm transported to 1986
	5:19pm Marie: bring on the jangle!
	5:20pm Buffalo Bills Quarterback Josh Allen: i have never experienced anything like that in my life - such a strong rush of endorphins followed IMMEDIATELY by crushing disappointment. and then again, and even more extreme. i didn't lose too much sleep over it, but im feeling weird today, and at some point this afternoon i realized, oh, that game was mentally and emotionally EXHAUSTING
	5:21pm tim from washington: Now this is a GREAT song title.
	🍝 5:21pm Ken From Hyde Park: I would've thought a lead with 13 seconds would've been enough, but alas not.
	5:21pm Son Of Pantz: @Josh I'm a lifelong Bengals and Reds fan so I feel your pain, baby.
	5:21pm Glistener MW: “Alan! Vega! WINS!!! (Perfect!)” 🇪🇸
	🍝 5:21pm Niall: Ah, Alan Vega. One of the few celebrities I've met, and he was an absolute prince. Totally hepped me to Nikolai Gogol.
	5:21pm Carmichael: @Josh, me too. As a longtime Bucs fan, yesterday's game was a heartbreaker. I also watched your performance and saw Mahomes slip away once more. Nothing left but root for the Niners ....
	5:22pm Phillippe: @Josh Allen that was quite a game yesterday! I'm a big fan of Josh and Diggs. Definitely felt your pain
	5:24pm Phillippe: @son of pantz I think you'll be in good stead with your Bengals for a while. I love Burrow (even after he torched my Ravens), seems like a real high character guy
	🍝 5:25pm Niall: Even when I said "Oh! You sang backup vocals on that Sisterhood album! beat Aaaaaaaaaad 'Frankie Teardrop,' etc," he was friendly charming.
	5:25pm Buffalo Bills Quarterback Josh Allen: i should say dopamine not endorphins, i suppose. pulling for the Bengals @son!! @ken that's what happens when you kick it through the endzone and play prevent defense against the best QB / WR / TE with 3 time outs :( @phillippe i am somewhat consoled by the fact that my crushing disappointment came as a result of a literally all time great NFL game thx @carmichael didnt mean to takeover the chat! but it was the event of the evening...
	5:25pm Ryansterlingvirtue: reminds me of Galaxie 500
	5:25pm Carmichael: Whatever you do, don't mention pizza ...
	5:25pm Andres: Did anybody else catch Springsteen’s version of Dream Baby Dream being used in a Super Bowl promo yesterday? Not appreciated by me. Nonetheless his live version is very good.
	5:27pm YETI BOB: The Bucks/Bulls rivalry has heated up. BOOO for Grayson Allen! Only suspended for 1 game? He should sit out the rest of the season.
	5:27pm Son Of Pantz: @Pjillipe @ Josh The Bengals will choke. Bet money on it.
	5:29pm Handy Haversack: I missed the FUHBAH talk! Had to run to the store and make a drink -- cheers, Olivia and Olivians!
	5:29pm Buffalo Bills Quarterback Josh Allen: @andres i also like the live version by Savages (which is also on an EP with an excellent live song of theirs called Fuckers)
	5:30pm Andres: Josh Allen, we also felt the thrill and disappointment across the border and up the road from Buffalo. We keep the dream alive.
	5:31pm Andres: Will check out that version, BBQBJA. Thanks!
	5:31pm Phillippe: Depends on how healthy the Chiefs secondary gets, Pantz, could be a surprise.
	5:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TiaB preclicked... Had to do a chore - nice to be back - glad there's still some Ravioli still warm even...
	5:32pm coelacanth∅: there's no stoop too low for superbowl marketing. Springsteen sold his publishing rights last year and i wonder if he'd have done that; and who "owns the rights" to Mr. Vega's music?
	5:34pm listener 126464: Bruce photo-ops into a few local places to regain his cred.
	5:35pm Phillippe: Gotta run. Thanks for a great show and interview, Olivia! Pats for Bruce and treats for Matt as long as they are good bois!
	5:35pm Handy Haversack: dday posted a great quote from Rundgren about Meat Loaf and Springsteen this morning: "Everyone saw the same act that I saw, but then nobody saw it the same way I saw. In my mind this was the genius spoof of Bruce Springsteen that the world so desperately needed. The hyperbolic lyrics about motorcycles & switchblades, the simple triads of the music, the melodrama, the mysterious Svengali at the piano, all fronted not by a hunky denim clad stud but a 250-pound wild man whose head might explode any second. I was sold." Todd Rundgren from the book "The Individualist"
	5:35pm Andres: coel: He has played the Super Bowl so hard to say.
	5:35pm olivia: @listener 126464 I thoguht you meant my bruce for a sec and was very confused
	5:37pm coelacanth∅: Andres, i forgot about that! oh well.
	5:37pm Handy Haversack: Olivia, your Bruce has street cred to spare!
	5:37pm listener 126464: I know, Olivia. I was keeping that in my backpocket in case of fallout.
	5:39pm happymaan: Man, I feel bad. I wanted to listen to this show but I got caught up on Sheenas Jungle Room.
	5:39pm coelacanth∅: Handy it's a perfect example of rundgren imagining himself superior to everyone else.
	5:39pm Handy Haversack: Pretty jaw-dropping title for a book, coela!
	5:40pm eva: hello. enjoying the show. played this album so much it broke. I was just a kid.
	5:41pm HyperDose: That'll happen, Happymaan
	5:42pm JohnEBGood: Heart of Glass. Juke Box favorite at Marty's. Corner of Green and Essex. OMG
	5:42pm listener 126464: Good one to be stuck.
	5:42pm Rich in Washington: Debbie Harry's voice...
	5:42pm coelacanth∅: haha yeah! ...and i'm sure it's got interesting stories too but i couldn't read it. i'd put money on his delivery being a stone reinforcement of the disgust i already have for that guy.
	5:43pm gonedungIT: Thanks for that 2 min dance party I just had!
	5:43pm Carmichael: Sounds like Todd doesn't care for Bruce's presentation style. Which reminds me, there was some band on SNL a week or two back who outright stole every one of Springsteen's stage cliches. They were a clone of Bruce & band. I was astonished, I thought they would be served papers before they got off the stage.
	5:43pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: So much admiration for Debbie & Clem Burke ...but Blondie the band somehow never landed too hard for me ...an era there were many other things seemed more on point...
	5:44pm PaulRobeson1920: : ) hii all
	5:44pm coelacanth∅: RR try plastic letters, if you've never heard it.
	5:45pm Handy Haversack: Springsteen et al. have no jurisdiction on this side of the Hudson, Carmichael! It's a legal gray area pretty much from Manhattan to the Utopia Parkway!
	5:46pm robin: loving the show today! thanks so much olivia
	🍝 5:47pm Ken From Hyde Park: Try the meat loaf ravioli.
	5:47pm Ryansterlingvirtue: YAY! Outstanding song
	5:47pm coelacanth∅: Bruce's style was pretty comical, but so was 3/4 of performers at that time. same clichés, same basic image. i don't like a lot of Springsteen's music -because of arrangement, not composition... but i think he's a stand-up guy
	5:48pm olivia: robin Thank you!
	5:48pm Ryansterlingvirtue: @coelacanth-I agree. I want to remix all of his songs without any keys lol
	5:49pm listener 126464: That was mega-producer Jack Antonoff and band Bleachers on SNL.
	5:49pm Buffalo Bills Quarterback Josh Allen: Bruce Springsteen is more similar to Meatloaf than a lot of people would like to admit. the thing is...they both RULE
	5:50pm coelacanth∅: Ryan YES! ...and no sax.
	5:50pm Carmichael: Nothing against Sprinsteen the guy, but the band performances are almost cartoonish. Do you really expect me to buy your blissing out, like the sax player is blowing the most fantastic solo in history? At least until tomorrow night?
	5:50pm Buffalo Bills Quarterback Josh Allen: listen to Jungleland and Paradise by the Dashboard Light back to back and tell me im wrong
	5:50pm Handy Haversack: Does any Fat White Family song sound like any other Fat White Family song? These guys are all over the place -- but I always like it! Hadn't heard them in a while. Absolute smasherator of a show, Olivia! A great interview, great tunes, the total package. I guess there could have been more pizza, but even radio has its limitations. Many thanks! Stay hungry, Pizza Pasta Pocket People!
	5:51pm coelacanth∅: (or very little sax, and very little piano)
	5:51pm Carmichael: Oh man, a great song to remake ....
	5:51pm Andres: No bad versions!
	🍝 5:52pm Niall: Whoa, I thought we'd gone full Demis Roussos for a moment. Instead, it's a loverly, druggy cover of the Walker Brothers. Decent!
	5:52pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I like the early Brooce with too many words that only FMUvians & the like ever play. Yeah for having such a champion of Garage like LittleSteven in the band & such a celebrated hot band - a more direct kinda recording shouldn't have been so hard to arrive @. But the target was the Charts & the mainstream...
	5:52pm tim from washington: Thanks for the great show and excellent interview, Olivia!
	5:54pm coelacanth∅: i do really like 2 of Springsteen's albums. nebraska and (to less of a degree) tom jode. anyone who's heard those 2 albums can figure why. sparse.
	5:54pm Krys O: Thanks, Olivia! Don't put yourself down. You are an amazing person! And a person can convince themselves that they have confidence just as they can convince themselves of the opposite. ❤️
	5:55pm Carmichael: Less is more, coel.
	5:55pm Ryansterlingvirtue: @coel agreed. I went so far as to download the midi versions of his song just to take out the piano/tuba tracks. they sound so much better.
	5:55pm Ryansterlingvirtue: Outstanding show! Thanks!
	5:55pm coelacanth∅: (ghost of tom joad is overproduced, but it's still excellent)
	5:56pm olivia: Excellent wisdom, Krys O, thank you <3
	5:56pm coelacanth∅: Ryan that's awesome! i guess i have to just imagine it
	5:57pm JohnEBGood: Joad and Nebraska are great. It took a while but I really got to enjoy The River.
	5:57pm Ochre Ogre: Thanks Olivia!
	5:57pm dday: @Handy..thanks for the repost. @Carmichael: It's an observation by Todd, not a criticism. He's merely saying the seriousness with which Bruce presents his material can be offset by the over the topness of Meatloaf's. I worked at Todd's #2 studio of choice in Woodstock for owner/Chief Engineer Chris Andersen. Todd was already gone to SF or Hawaii by the time I got there, but when pressed for info, Chris would open up on some topics. Not gossip, just facts from a guy who spent many years (11) as Todd's road sound guy & more in the studio as well. Chris was a great boss.
	5:58pm chresti: Hi olivia, I was lurking+listening = lursening!
	5:58pm coelacanth∅: 'river's got some great moments; but then it also has hungry heart...
	5:58pm morphe': Thanks O and all !!!!
	5:59pm Rich in Washington: Thanks, Olivia! Lovely show today!
	5:59pm HyperDose: Kind of is hard to say goodbye because this show leaves me with a marinara-laden smile on my face each week!
	5:59pm chris in the redwoods: whoa, got swept up in work. thanks so much, Olivia! i really enjoyed your interview and your selections today. take care, everyone!
	5:59pm Marie: grt. show, merci!
	5:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Meatloaf was like GaryBusey or something - something wound a little too tight in there & craycray. Head full of backwards political garbage. Not like Brooce that way. But that craycray was part of his full bore energy. He never phoned it in vocally. For all that - the only thing by him I care to hear is his RockyHorror tune. & people say one on one he was a nice guy.
	5:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Olivia!
	5:59pm listener 126464: Thanks Olivia. Great interview and show. Thanks message board.
	🍝 5:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Olivia. Nice music & interview today.
	5:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Thanks Olivia!
	5:59pm Andres: Thanks Olivia!
	🍝 6:00pm diciassette: Thanks, Olivia!
	6:00pm Carmichael: Thanks Olivia!
	6:00pm JohnEBGood: Good point. Meat Loaf would be awesome on that one!

Radio Ravioli with Olivia: Playlist from January 24, 2022

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Intimate electronics, bad poetry, tender murk, and tired humans making the best of it. Features live sound collaging, too.

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Wed. Nov 13th, 9pm - Midnight: Radio Ravioli presents: Ravioli Tourism Monthly Open Lines Extravaganza (More info...)
Adriene joins Olivia for three hours of chaos and calm. With the dials turning and the phone lines open, they’ll take live listener calls about different topics of serendipity and cosmic-connection while live-mixing music, stories, and all kinds of radio ravioli from around the world. Call in - 201-209-9368!
Wed. Dec 11th, 9pm - Midnight: Radio Ravioli presents: Ravioli Tourism Monthly Open Lines Extravaganza (More info...)
Adriene joins Olivia for three hours of chaos and calm. With the dials turning and the phone lines open, they’ll take live listener calls about different topics of serendipity and cosmic-connection while live-mixing music, stories, and all kinds of radio ravioli from around the world. Call in - 201-209-9368!
Wed. Jan 8th, 2025, 9pm - Midnight: Radio Ravioli presents: Ravioli Tourism Monthly Open Lines Extravaganza (More info...)
Adriene joins Olivia for three hours of chaos and calm. With the dials turning and the phone lines open, they’ll take live listener calls about different topics of serendipity and cosmic-connection while live-mixing music, stories, and all kinds of radio ravioli from around the world. Call in - 201-209-9368!
Wed. Feb 12th, 2025, 9pm - Midnight: Radio Ravioli presents: Ravioli Tourism Monthly Open Lines Extravaganza (More info...)
Adriene joins Olivia for three hours of chaos and calm. With the dials turning and the phone lines open, they’ll take live listener calls about different topics of serendipity and cosmic-connection while live-mixing music, stories, and all kinds of radio ravioli from around the world. Call in - 201-209-9368!

January 24, 2022: Interview with Karina Gill
Olivia welcomes Karina Gill (of Cindy and Flowertown) for a quick conversation about how "being good at things" in the conventional way can get in the way, how special a community can be for music, and how making music isn't rocket science - in fact, some of the best music is the simplest.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Approx. start time
Olivia	╚w̾e̾l̾c̾o̾m̾e̾ ̾t̾o̾ ̾r̾a̾d̾i̾o̾ ̾r̾a̾v̾i̾o̾l̾i̾ ⫸ ╗	n/a	n/a
Blondie	Magic (Asadoya Yunta) "Magic (Asadoya Yunta)" by "Blondie"	The Curse of Blondie	Sanctuary	2003	0:02:09 (Pop-up)
Steve Hiett	Are These My Memories?	Girls In The Grass	Efficient Space	2019	0:06:27 (Pop-up)
Sad Eyed Beatniks	West Portal "West Portal" by "Sad Eyed Beatniks"	Places of Interest	Paisley Shirt	2020	0:09:19 (Pop-up)
Ray Alexander Technique	I Wonder Why	Let's Talk (Bonus Material)	Now-Again Records	2020	0:11:51 (Pop-up)
Bill Withers	Make a Smile for Me "Make a Smile for Me" by "Bill Withers"	+'Justments	Sony / Reel Music	2010 / 1974	0:15:20 (Pop-up)
L'Rain	Need Be "Need Be" by "L'Rain"	Fatigue	Mexican Summer	2021	0:18:12 (Pop-up)
Agua Viva	Cristales "Cristales" by "Agua Viva"	How To Build A Fountain	Hydrofemme	2021	0:19:29 (Pop-up)
Riki	Porque Te Vas "Porque Te Vas" by "Riki"	Gold	Dais	2021	0:22:50 (Pop-up)

Hectorine	Agua Viva "Agua Viva" by "Hectorine"	TEARS	Paisley Shirt	2019	0:31:17 (Pop-up)
Dummy	Aluminum In Retrograde "Aluminum In Retrograde" by "Dummy"	Mandatory Enjoyment	Trouble In Mind	2021	0:34:17 (Pop-up)
Karen Marks	Cold Café "Cold Café" by "Karen Marks"	Cold Café	Efficient Space	2019 (orig 1981)	0:37:30 (Pop-up)
COS	Main Maschine Ist Schon "Main Maschine Ist Schon" by "COS"	Mein Maschine Ist Schön/The ff BOOM	Finders Keepers	2021	0:40:28 (Pop-up)
Blonde Redhead	Not Too Late "Not Too Late" by "Blonde Redhead"	Masculin Féminin	Numero Group	2016	0:43:25 (Pop-up)
Helene Barbier	You Little Nothing	Regulus	Celluloid Lunch	2021	0:48:45 (Pop-up)
Claire Hamill	The Moon Is a Powerful Lover	Touchpaper	Coda Records	1984	0:47:52 (Pop-up)
River Yarra	Respiration Alternee (avec Elen Huynh)	Lucky Boy	Antinote	2018	0:52:53 (Pop-up)

Interview with Karina Gill "Interview with Karina Gill"
Cindy	Lost On Me "Lost On Me" by "Cindy"	Free Advice	Mt. St. Mtn.	2020	1:02:47 (Pop-up)
Olivia w/ Karina Gill	interview "interview" by "Olivia w/ Karina Gill"	n/a	n/a		1:06:55 (Pop-up)
Flowertown	The Rope "The Rope" by "Flowertown"	Flowertown	Mt. St. Mtn.	2020	1:11:52 (Pop-up)
Olivia w/ Karina Gill	interview "interview" by "Olivia w/ Karina Gill"	n/a	n/a		1:14:41 (Pop-up)
Cindy	Sincere Sound "Sincere Sound" by "Cindy"	1:2	Mt. St. Mtn.	2021	1:21:56 (Pop-up)
Olivia w/ Karina Gill	interview "interview" by "Olivia w/ Karina Gill"	n/a	n/a		1:25:01 (Pop-up)
Cindy	To Be True "To Be True" by "Cindy"	1:2	Mt. St. Mtn.	2021	1:27:32 (Pop-up)
Olivia w/ Karina Gill	interview "interview" by "Olivia w/ Karina Gill"	n/a	n/a		1:31:59 (Pop-up)
Flowertown	Time Trials "Time Trials" by "Flowertown"	Time Trials	Paisley Shirt	2021	1:39:45 (Pop-up)
Olivia w/ Karina Gill	interview "interview" by "Olivia w/ Karina Gill"	n/a	n/a		1:43:13 (Pop-up)
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Listener comments!
	3:03pm Handy Haversack: Expecting Tull, I have to say. Hi, Olivia and Olivians!
	3:03pm Carmichael: It's radio leftover pizza for me.
	3:04pm efd: looking forward to this week's edition of Radio Ravi-tully
	3:04pm Michael 98145: Hungry yet?
	3:04pm HyperDose: I'd be lying if I said I haven't been looking forward to today's hearty, carby helping of Ravioli 🍝
	3:04pm JG: Make with the Tull.
	3:04pm Krys O.: Greetings! Had some lobster ravioli last night with butternut squash pasta sauce.....yum!
	3:04pm joe mulligan: the contessa of pillowy pasta to you sir
	3:05pm marcel: ravioli ravioli give me the formuloli
	3:05pm Handy Haversack: Room temperature, Carmichael? Also, what pizza place do you recommend? My friend in Davis still hasn't found one he likes.
	3:05pm Yes: hey yall
	3:05pm olivia: "the contessa of tull" lmao
	3:05pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: OK yeah : How great Virtuosos & great Songwriters are seldom the same person. Except in Jazz & stuff.
	3:06pm Michael 98145: @Krys, that sounds tasty
	3:06pm Phillippe: Howdy. I was supposed to but couscous yesterday but bought quinoa instead. Can one make quinoa ravioli?
	3:07pm Phillippe: *buy not but
	3:07pm tim from washington: Hi Olivia! Hi everybody! This is Blondie as in Debbie Harry, Clem Burke, Chris Stein Blondie?
	🍝 3:08pm karlward: This is nice
	3:08pm Michael 98145: fun fact - quinoa is not a grain
	🍝 3:08pm karlward: Blondie ravioli--not just for cookies anymore
	3:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...or - Dennis Diken as a 'panelist' on the lastest Something About The Beatles podcast noted that in the Get Back film, he caught them counting into a song not by going '1-2-3-4' - but by going da da doo doo or however the lyric or melody went. Which is what Unschooled musicians do. & they were TheBeatles...
	3:10pm Michael 98145: that was a strange track ..
	3:10pm rx scabin: Good afternoon.
	3:10pm listener james from westwood: Afternoon, Olivia and all!
	🍝 3:11pm karlward: I may need my ravioli caffeinated, but I don't see that as an option on the menu
	3:12pm Yes: sincere condolences to BBQBJA, wherever he may be. what a show
	3:13pm Carmichael: Room temp, Handy. Woodstock's is the place for pizza in Davis. Cenario makes "east coast style" pizza and, suprisingly, a greek restaurant called Symposium has a decent pie. I'm in Sacramento. The 2 standouts are Wenelli's and Mark & Monica's. Nothing else sizes up. Also, if you're from the east coast, pizza out here is much different. Medium thick crust and LOTS of toppings. Have I mentioned the pineapple?
	3:13pm Handy Haversack: One for the ages, Yes.
	3:13pm listener 126464: Good day Olivia, everyone.
	3:14pm Handy Haversack: I think I blocked it out, Carmichael! But many thanks for that. I will pass along the info. Much obliged.
	3:15pm Tim S: Coworker just revealed a secret cookie stash in the kitchen. I'm off to a great start here
	3:15pm Phillippe: Things I generally like but do not like on pizza: 1. Pineapple 2. Ranch dressing
	3:16pm tim from washington: I'm currently reading 'No More Second Hand God' by Buckminster Fuller. Clearly my edumacation from Western Michigan University is ill-equipped. Maybe it will be helpful when I get to the section on smashing geodesic beer cans on my head.
	3:16pm Handy Haversack: 3. WFMU listeners
	3:16pm joe mulligan: just drove through Davis yesterday Carmichael! the poor AQI made a pretty sunset
	3:16pm Phillippe: true, Handy.
	3:17pm Carmichael: Cool Joe! What direction were you heading?
	3:18pm HyperDose: Getting some cold morning after pizza is my kind of walk of shame
	3:19pm queems: hello olivia & all
	3:19pm garlic lover: I’m having a buckminster fuller moment because I recently had a dream in which I lived inside a giant domed greenhouse
	🍝 3:20pm diciassette: Luigi's on Stockton Blvd makes very good Sacratomato style pizza
	3:20pm Marie: Hey Olivia and all. I'm excited to hear Olivia's guest (and the tunage, of course).
	3:20pm rx scabin: I have to go right after this song.
	3:20pm Carmichael: How do you know about Luigi's, diciassette?
	3:21pm listener 126464: Handy - too funny.
	3:22pm Krys O.: YAY! L'Rain!
	3:22pm rx scabin: I love this song, so maybe after this one.
	3:22pm HyperDose: @queems I walked by one of the dollar stores today and the window was just a big rack of Pokémon. I'll have to snap a pic next time.
	🍝 3:23pm diciassette: My sister, who used to live in Elk Grove, said it was very good. She's on Maui now, so we just went without her.
	3:23pm ChukAmok: Is pineapple a suitable filling for ravioli?
	3:23pm Marie: I worked with someone who felt strongly that a pizza should never have more than 3 "toppings" (I hate that word, not sure why)
	3:23pm Krys O.: Will be heading out soon on commute home, but will be gathering radio signals on the road.
	3:24pm joe mulligan: from el dorado hills back home to san rafael
	🍝 3:24pm karlward: ChukAmok: yes, as long as the pineapple is soaked in vodka and then grilled beforehand
	3:24pm Tim S: Had Star Tavern (Orange NJ) last night, was very good. Arturo's in Maplewood is also excellent
	3:24pm doommaedel: Hello from Scotland! Love your ravioli !
	3:24pm Phillippe: This Aqua Viva is lovely
	3:25pm ChukAmok: Thank you, Karl. I knew I could count on you.
	3:25pm joe mulligan: ahh miss star tavern!
	3:25pm Phillippe: *Agua Jeezus, I cannot type today...
	🍝 3:25pm Niall: Hard not to hear SAW2 in this Agua Viva cut.
	3:25pm Marie: I love the show picture
	3:26pm queems: @hyperdose what were they doing? just hanging out?
	🍝 3:26pm karlward: These vodka soaked grilled pineapple ravioli obviate the need for vodka sauce!
	🍝 3:26pm Niall: @morphe': Still around, hi?
	3:26pm HyperDose: Makes sense from a culinary standpoint, Marie. A lot of people don't lightly sautee their vegetables before putting them on pizza. They end up secreting too much moisture, so the cheese doesn't fully cook.
	3:27pm coelacanth∅: greetings Olivia and Raviolios
	3:27pm Michael 98145: I've lost my tolerance for any but pizza Napoletana
	3:27pm Carmichael: So you came down 50, Joe. Did you see the signs for Carmichael? 😎
	3:28pm Andres: Hello! Also, this Riki, a beaut!!
	🍝 3:28pm karlward: New Haven style pizza (apizza): discuss
	3:28pm Marie: I hear ya' HyperDose AND from an engineering/physics/material standpoint, it can cause fault lines in the crust
	3:28pm MarionFrenchie: Good evening everyone! listening from Paris, loving the show so far!
	3:28pm YETI BOB: karlward: i don't like it. but i have strong NJ/Chicago bias.
	🍝 3:28pm karlward: I shoulda said discuss/fight
	3:29pm Handy Haversack: My brain just clicked into understanding that Karina Gill is in Cindy. Nice! Excited for the interview.
	3:29pm Phillippe: Nice Volvo, coel
	🍝 3:29pm karlward: YETI BOB: is there an NJ / Chicago connection on pizza?
	3:29pm Jay: this is so cool!
	3:29pm ChukAmok: New Haven-style is with clams, right?
	3:29pm Krull Sagan: Ravioliolios, hi hiya to all! Take us away, Oliviolio
	🍝 3:29pm karlward: I see NJ pizza as (usually) inferior to NY pizza. Chicago pizza seems more like a casserole to me. I have never had Chicago pizza though.
	🍝 3:31pm karlward: ChukAmok: I don't eat shellfish. I hear the white clam pizza is popular there. I have had the no-mozzarella style New Haven pizza.
	3:31pm joe mulligan: i'm sure i did Carmichael, we'll have to hang sometime!
	3:31pm Krull Sagan: (Yeah, Coela, is that Volvo fusion powered?) (Doommaedel, how’s the sky this Scottish eve?)
	3:32pm Carmichael: @dicia, I used to live across the street from Luigi's when I was in college. New York style, with the bubbles in the crust. Are you also in California?
	3:32pm YETI BOB: karlward: that is a deep question. there may in fact be a connection. but i just meant, having been born in NJ and lived for decades in Chicago, those are the places i think have the best pizza (outside of Naples)
	3:32pm coelacanth∅: hey Phillippe! in siberia they convert to burn "wood gas", whatever that means how's the little monster?
	3:33pm ChukAmok: @karlward I wouldn't eat that pizza either for the same reason. I think I saw that pie on one of Dave Chang's N'flix shows.
	3:33pm syl76: it's an okinawan folk song!
	3:33pm syl76: the blondie song ..
	3:33pm YETI BOB: karlward: not all chicago pizza is deep dish. my favorite is thin-crust, 'party cut'. the deep dish is more popular with tourists than locals, i think (although i enjoy it once in a while)
	3:34pm coelacanth∅: i've had more than enough crappy pizza in nyc, for the record.
	🍝 3:34pm Niall: Ooo oo there's a place near Cold Spring that makes my favorite apple cider doughnuts, hands down. Where'd you get them? -oh.
	3:34pm Marie: Having grown up just outside of Chicago, I grew up with pizza that had a thin, crispy crust that was cut into squares made by people who were first or second generation from Italy--the "stuffed" pizza and those thick bready slices associated with Chicago-style, I don't like.
	3:35pm HyperDose: @queems I think they were little plushies on clips. So yeah, they were quite literally hanging out! I also strongly disapprove of floppy crusts. But I am a fan of the fold and eat with your head tilted sideways.
	3:35pm Handy Haversack: Yay, Hectorine! I can't endorse that cracker-crust Chicago-style pizza, I'm afraid.
	3:35pm Phillippe: @coel They retain the classic blue, however, so they aren't total heathens! The little monsters are all fine.
	3:35pm coelacanth∅: i'd say there's good and bad pizza everywhere...but then -except for the entirety of the the country between the coasts
	🍝 3:35pm Niall: My favorite Chicago pizza is an NY-style pie from Dante's near Logan Square. God I ordered from them so often, my dog would perk up whenever my phone rang.
	3:35pm Dutch: doe mij maar een pizza calzone - niet van dat gewone :-)
	3:36pm YETI BOB: karlward: I've had much better pizza in NJ than NYC. To me: Naples > NJ > Chicago > NYC > anything else marie: Exactly! Handy: I'll still be your friend :-)
	3:36pm coelacanth∅: (including the chicago coast, i guess)
	3:36pm Phillippe: Planning on my first cast iron skillet pizza this week if I can ever get all of the ingredients together in one place
	3:36pm Marie: Yeah, Handy, great way to describe it! It's like crunchy, cracker-like when fresh
	🍝 3:36pm Niall: Third Coastal Elites.
	3:36pm HyperDose: Sorry to be so smug, but... www.nj.com...
	3:37pm tim from washington: Paisley Shirt is a great record label name.
	3:37pm YETI BOB: Marie: and having it cut into little squares means you don't ever know quite how much you ate, so you eat one more
	3:37pm Michael 98145: Hectorine look cold
	3:38pm tim from washington: I could be wrong but a detect a Space Lady influence in Hectorine and Agua Viva.
	3:38pm Handy Haversack: That Hectorine album is great. A fave.
	3:38pm Marie: @Yeti--and you can control what you bite into more--it's doesn't fold up well. I def. prefer that style to NYC "slices"
	3:38pm Michael 98145: Lotsa square-cut pizzas in Rome
	3:39pm syl76: @olivia Thank you for playing that Blondie song.. my mom used to sing me that okinawan folk song as a kid and it totally made me cry (in a good way)
	3:39pm chris in the redwoods: hi, Olivia and fellow pillow pasta peeps. we love the stuffed pizzas from Zachary's in the east bay over here. stuffed spinach and mushroom? yes, please! :)
	3:39pm YETI BOB: HyperDose: 100% agree with that assessment. Chicago has good pizza but if we are talking about states, I'd never say Illinois was a great pizza state ... Michael: Oh yeah the pizza in Rome is fantastic! There are a few Roman-style places in Chicago that I love (Pizza Metro, Bonci).
	3:39pm Tim S: My four year old asked me last night why I folded my pizza. I love that kid
	3:39pm listener 126464: I'll take pizza at Pizzaland in N. Arlington in the 70's.
	🍝 3:39pm karlward: Fold life
	3:40pm ChukAmok: There's a pizza franchise here that claims to specialize in "Detroit-style pizza", which as far as I can tell just means thick crust and square.
	🍝 3:40pm karlward: I might start folding my ravioli
	3:40pm chris in the redwoods: i may have shared before, but when complimenting the pizza in Rome to a few cops (who turned out be Napoli), we were admonished to no end.
	3:40pm coelacanth∅: after my initial skepticism i learned the wisdom of folding pizza.
	3:40pm Marie: I do love a good stuffed spinach mushroom pizza now and then. Edwardo's was a place that makes great ones. Gotta get back to work now...
	3:41pm HyperDose: Did they take you "downtown", Chris?
	3:41pm Phillippe: There's a local pizza chain here called Ledos that makes a rectangular pizza with an evenly spaced out array of thick cut pepperoni so you know where to cut the squares. Order it with sausage and they just might perch a crumble of sausage on top of the pepperoni like a greasy little adornment.
	3:41pm Michael 98145: cripes. now i'm -really- hungry
	3:41pm coelacanth∅: i imagine i'll never try a stuffed "pizza"
	🍝 3:42pm diciassette: Carmichael, I live in Oakland, grew up in the sticks near Sacramento. The Luigi's I had was foldable if you were really determined!
	3:42pm chris in the redwoods: lol, no they just told us we were lame for not traveling south. :)
	3:42pm queems: this conversation is making me so hungry
	3:42pm Handy Haversack: The grandma pie from the place at one end of our block is the gold standard here.
	3:43pm Michael 98145: at least the pizzas oozing grease are a thing of the past. aren't they?
	3:43pm Tim S: My Brazilian father in law was horrified by what we consider to be very good local pizza. Crust too thick, sauce too sweet, toppings too few. Granted, Sao Paulo pizza is pretty good, it's just a different ball game
	3:43pm coelacanth∅: Michael i hope not!
	3:44pm Marie: I had some of the best pizza of my life in Naples in a place that had a pic of Clinton eating a slice @).
	3:44pm JohnEBGood: I miss the pizza you put in your toaster. I think it was Buttoni 🍕
	3:45pm tim from washington: Let me dispel this "Detroit-style" pizza for yous guys. Detroit style pizza actually originates from Cottage Inn in Ann Arbor (which is not Detroit). It's a thicker crust rectangular pizza. It's mighty good but it's not "Detroit' style. Any pizza I've ever ate in Detroit (and I've eaten a lot of pizza in Detroit) is round and has crust of normal thickness.
	3:45pm Handy Haversack: I fully believe that there's great pizza in NJ, but I doubt I will ever access any. What gets talked about is all in this town or that town, and hard experience tells me that the only thing within walking distance of a train station in NJ is WFMU. Car pizza. Inaccessible. Stories whispered on the playlists of my mind.
	3:45pm Marie: loving this
	3:45pm ChukAmok: My favorite spot in my old neighborhood (Ft. Greene) was Not Ray's pizza. Missing it so much right now.
	3:45pm garlic lover: My favorite slice is from Scarrs on the lower east side
	3:46pm Constantly Choking: Been here the whole time but just saying hi now. Hi. This track is super nice!
	3:46pm ChukAmok: Thank you for clarifying that, tim fw.
	3:46pm Marie: I like the ingredients to be baked under the cheese, then they subtly alter the flavor of the sauce
	3:46pm HyperDose: I grew up eating what we called Sicilian slices. Then sometime in the early-mid 2010's everyone started calling them Grandma slices. Guessing because Italian Americans with ancestry from other regions of Italy also make square pies?
	🍝 3:46pm karlward: Handy when you come visit I'll drive you to Crecco's in River Vale, that place is great
	3:47pm Carmichael: @dicia, cool. Didn't realize the number of NorCal folk on the board. When you say "sticks", do you mean Winters or that area? Or "sticks" like Ione or Jackson?
	3:48pm Handy Haversack: tim, the first year I lived in Ann Arbor, a friend came to visit over Tgiving. I didn't know much about the place yet. We needed to eat, and we saw people going to Cottage Inn, so we went in, took a table. Place was packed. We were greeted very nicely and told that we'd be taken care of soon. We sat there, confused and menuless and then realized that they were doing a Tgiving meal for the unhoused population of Ann Arbor -- and that we had managed to blend right in. We, er, scurried out. Ate at Raja Rani. I don't think I ever want back to Cottage Inn! karlward, I will hold you to it!
	3:48pm Andres: Windsor, Ontario pizza.
	3:48pm YETI BOB: HD: I think Sicilian and Grandma are slightly different. Pizzology is is all about subtle distinctions, kind of like EDM sub-genres.
	🍝 3:49pm karlward: HyperDose: Sicilian (NYC) pizza is thick, dough-y crust. Grandma is more or less a thin-crust Sicilian.
	🍝 3:49pm Niall: ChukAmok - the oiled pan and crisp sides with browned cheese is essential to Detroit style. I do like Jets, as franchises go.
	3:49pm Michael 98145: I grew up eating and enjoying garbage American Pizza. Gawd only knows what the "meat" was.
	🍝 3:50pm karlward: Did the NY Jets move to Detroit and nobody noticed again?
	3:50pm Handy Haversack: Grandma pie has garlic, basil, tomato.
	3:50pm Carmichael: @chris, I have heard of Zachary's but never managed to go in. That's a bay area local chain, right?
	3:51pm HyperDose: That makes so much sense, YB + karlward. Seems like Sicilian went the way of the buffalo as we've started to become a more health-conscious society (yes, pizza is a food group). Fully embracing the grandma pie!
	3:51pm βrian: I suspect Raja Rani was the first Indian restaurant in Michigan.
	3:52pm tim from washington: @Handy - hahahaha! That's a great story. I've been mistaken a the 'man on the street" type a few times myself.
	3:52pm coelacanth∅: i grew up eating tree tavern brand frozen pizza. one day i/we discovered the possibility to add things to it. didn't taste a tavern pizza 'till i started hanging out with the hoodlums when i was ~15. that was nj, and the pizza was excellent.
	🍝 3:52pm Niall: Huh. I grew up calling them "Sicilian" slices. I figured "Grandma Style" was covered with breadcrumbs in lieu of cheese. I've been out of the American Pizza taxonomy game too long.
	3:53pm coelacanth∅: never heard of "grandma" pizza
	3:53pm YETI BOB: I just had lunch, and, damn I want some pizza now
	3:53pm Handy Haversack: The places at either end of my block both make a mean Sicilian pie, HyperDose!
	🍝 3:54pm karlward: If you're in NYC, at some point go get the gigantic Koronet slice on Broadway and 110th
	3:54pm YETI BOB: So…in New York…circa 1960…if you went into a pizzeria, you asked either for "pizza" (the big round one), or "Sicilian" (the thick rectangular one). Then…possibly in the 1970s…pizza-makers on Long Island, as the story goes, started getting nostalgic. They longed for that simple home pie that their mothers or grandmothers had made. By all accounts, they started making, for themselves, a rectangular pie…that was much thinner than the standard Noo Yawk Sicilian pie. The tomatoes on it were fresher, sometimes raw, and the cheese was lighter. Someone started calling this neo-pie "Grandma Pizza," after its origins in the Old Country--and it lay dormant among the pizza-making domestic cells of Long Island for a good ten years.
	3:55pm joe mulligan: Carmichael and chris in the redwoods lets meet up at Zachary's sometime if youre game
	3:55pm tim from washington: One of you smart alecks should host a cup'o'pizza pizza at the next WFMU no bathrooms record sale.
	🍝 3:55pm diciassette: Carmichael, Dixon. I used to live in an almond orchard! They were gradually replacing the almond trees with houses. I could go out back, pick almonds, climb a house frame.
	3:56pm tim from washington: I mean cup'o'pizza pop up.
	3:56pm YETI BOB: (that's a quote from Za-Za-Zoom: The 'Grandma Pizza' Forges Ahead In New York www.forbes.com... )
	3:57pm chris in the redwoods: Carm, yes, Oakland and Solano are the only two locations i know of...
	3:57pm coelacanth∅: i used to like a sicilian slice now & then but now it's boring. it's more dough than anything else so if they're cutting corners and the crust has no flavour at least a regular slice is a vehicle for something tasty.
	🍝 3:57pm karlward: Favorite pizza place is Porta in Asbury Park / Jersey City. That place is off the chaaaaaaiiiiiiiinnnnnn
	3:57pm Handy Haversack: He put the old pizza-in-a-cup guy right out of business. I have met Chris (in the redwoods) in real life and can attest to his physical reality and extreme coolness and niceness.
	🍝 3:58pm Niall: @diciasette: that sounds really idyllic!
	3:58pm The Butterman: Yo Handy, shot in the dark here based on Michigan and publishing… any chance you know my BFF, Jed? I know that he and Hoboken Jack used to work together. Jed went to Michigan. Jed is not a common name.
	3:58pm coelacanth∅: (why i'll probably never try "stuffed pizza" too, because it's so much dough)
	🍝 3:58pm karlward: Porta Asbury Park has the best ricotta I have ever had. Their calzone is--wait for it--off the chaaaaaaiiiiiinnnnn
	3:58pm Carmichael: @dicia, then you know about the Milk Farm. Long gone, but the sign is still there. I worked at UC Davis for about 10 years, and we had an airport off of Pedrick Road.
	🍝 3:58pm Niall: I'd rather just have a stromboli. Strombol?
	🍝 3:59pm karlward: Porta Jersey City's ricotta was not as good.
	3:59pm listener 126464: Benny Tudino's in Hoboken had a monster-sized slice. Yeah, Porta.
	3:59pm Carmichael: @chris, I believe there's one in Pleasnton, and 1 or 2 others nearby.
	🍝 4:00pm diciassette: Carmichael, yep! That's still how you know you're there.
	4:00pm chris in the redwoods: Sounds good, Joe! :) Handy, you are too kind and backatcha! :)
	4:00pm βrian: I recall one Jed Smock who used to preach on the Michigan diag.
	4:00pm Michael 98145: enjoying the musics today
	4:00pm HyperDose: @Handy @3:53 Don't tempt me with a good time!
	4:00pm Carmichael: BTW Olivia, thanks for programming this wonderful music!
	4:01pm Handy Haversack: I don't think so, Butterman. I was in Michigan for two years for grad school so didn't really know the university community that well. I can't think of a Jed that I've met in my little nonprofit corner of the publishing world.
	🍝 4:01pm Niall: Olivia, you have a real knack for finding these current acts that sound like their releases are at least 30 years old.
	4:01pm The Butterman: Well, you’d remember him if you knew him!
	4:02pm coelacanth∅: i had a slice in wappinger's falls, ny a week ago and i think they cut a large pie into 5 slices! (probably 6 really) and it was delicious. and the garlic knots looked amazing, and i don't give a crap about garlic knots... so i asked about them and he gave me 4 complimentary. i will have those again.
	4:02pm Carmichael: @dicia, the Nut Tree ... D'oh!
	🍝 4:02pm diciassette: Oh, I miss that place!
	4:02pm Handy Haversack: You guys are all doing it! "Such and Such in THIS town -- oh, and the One Place in THAT town!" I can barely get to other neighborhoods in Brooklyn! (Though I'ma check out Not Ray's, ChukAmok!) You're killing me!
	🍝 4:03pm diciassette: I really shot myself in the foot, thinking so much about pizza.
	4:04pm Handy Haversack: We have all really done a number on ourselves with this convo.
	4:04pm ChukAmok: Not Ray's is worth the trip on the G, Handy. Plus Greenlight Books is just down the street.
	4:04pm coelacanth∅: heh, is there a place called "Not Ray's"?! ...i had pretty bad pizza at 2 different ray's pizzas in nyc, back in the day. if there was one ray's pizza that was good, i never found it.
	🍝 4:05pm Niall: Coelacanth0: Ray's on Sixth Ave and... Twelfth St, IIRC. The benchmark. RIP.
	🍝 4:06pm Niall: When they closed, my custom went to Two Boots on 7th Ave, most of the time.
	4:06pm coelacanth∅: i hope Olivia doesn't pass out from blood sugar dynamics
	4:06pm ChukAmok: @Handy I say that because I am so far from it now, and nostalgia has taken hold...It might not actually be worth a dedicated subway ride...Maybe if you have other business in the 'hood.
	4:06pm YETI BOB: Ray's = Overrated
	4:07pm listener 126464: pizza spiral
	🍝 4:07pm karlward: Overrayted
	4:07pm Andres: Stroopwafel donut sounds tasty but Oma is shaking her head.
	4:08pm coelacanth∅: oh, Thanks Niall...that address brings it back. i walked there a few times and never wanted to wait on the very long line.
	4:08pm Handy Haversack: Olivia, do you ask Karina about how to pronounce Cindy's most recent album? I am going with "One to Two," but I'm a degenerate gambler at heart. I get down there kind of often under normal circumstances, ChukAmok. We use Fulton St. as the place where we leave the damn system and walk over to Atlantic Ave. to access all the OTHER trains.
	🍝 4:08pm Niall: Ireland is the worst place in the world for doughnuts. Like an ice cream sundae, sub the ice cream with a doughnut. Pretty sure Ireland has invented Type 3 Diabetes.
	4:08pm TDK60: Hi.
	4:09pm olivia: @Handy: yes, it's "One To Two"!
	4:09pm coelacanth∅: two boots was good. i even named a photograph after it!
	4:09pm YETI BOB: Handy - if you ever make it to Chicago we'll go to Coalfire which has some of the best Neapolitan style I've ever had (thin crust, not too crisp).
	🍝 4:09pm Niall: Will yeh be having the doughnut with crushed Rolos and caramel, or the doughnut with crushed Twix and buttercream?
	🍝 4:10pm Niall: @Yeti Bob: I liked coalfire! Nduja and arugula, please!
	4:10pm Michael 98145: Coalfire Pizza is undoubtedly better than coal-powered cars. Just sayin.
	4:10pm Handy Haversack: Thanks, Olivia! YB, it is such a plan! It is so on that it is very much like Donkey Kong!
	4:13pm listener 126464: shoplift local!
	4:15pm HyperDose: @Andres Stroopwafel is delicious. The spices in the caramel are what really make it. Have a friend in Leiden, NL who would send me stroopwafel, Milka, and Moroccan hash. Probably why I was able to tolerate my last apartment for so long.
	4:16pm Yes: this is very nice
	🍝 4:18pm Niall: Buying "Free Advice" now.
	4:18pm Ike: Wow @HyperDose@3:26, thanks for explaining why I don't like too many toppings on pizza! I figured the toppings just weighed it down too much overall, but that more detailed explanation makes more sense.
	4:19pm ChukAmok: @Handy Do you walk down Ft. Greene Place to the Atlantic station? That's my old block. #130. Cecil Taylor lived in the brownstone across the street that backs up to the Gov't building.
	4:21pm coelacanth∅: but to create, not to be famous.
	4:21pm tim from washington: @HyperDose - Stroopwafel is one of the great pleasures in life.
	4:22pm Bill: Get this Frog off mic! RIBBET…RIBBET
	4:23pm Handy Haversack: Niall: get 1:2 also. It's great! ChukAmok, I usually walk down St. Felix, but I'll deviate next time!
	4:23pm TDK60: I even get stage fright at friggin' open mikes. Heh.
	4:24pm ChukAmok: St. Felix is a funny street. For some reason I always felt like I was walking through a set used in Seinfeld.
	4:25pm tim from washington: I had been confusing Cindy with Cindy Lee. I didn't really like Cindy Lee so I have ignored Cindy so far. I will now pay attention.
	4:26pm Carmichael: I apologize for starting the pizza discussion 😞🍕
	🍝 4:26pm Niall: Beta Blockers FTW. I'll never forget that video with Jim O'Rourke just trembling at a live show. Poor bastard must have been terrified.
	4:26pm coelacanth∅: TDK i wont do it. poetry readings? nope. karaoke? nope.
	🍝 4:26pm Niall: You got it, @Handy!
	4:26pm Son Of Pantz: @Handy what's your favorite China Mieville novel?
	4:26pm ChukAmok: Never apologize for pizza, Carmichael. You did a good thing.
	4:27pm Andrew Waterloo: I find being intoxicated simply takes away my ability to regulate my own anxieties.
	4:28pm Handy Haversack: I 100 percent know what you're talking about, ChukAmok. Son of Pantz: Probably Kraken? But Perdido Street Station is so great that I can't not mention it. One of my good friends has a rule with his partner: no one mentions pizza unless they are prepared to eat pizza immediately afterward!
	4:28pm listener 126464: Like this record. Pizza don't mind.
	4:29pm Son Of Pantz: Perdido Street Station broke my brain, and I love China for that. How it's not a series on some streaming service is beyond me.
	4:30pm Michael 98145: I find it amusing to see a movie with the name of the Licorice Pizza record stores in Calif ...
	4:30pm Son Of Pantz: They made a movie and series of The Watchmen and both flopped. Perdido deserves it's chance to flop.
	4:31pm Yes: love these dreamy songs
	4:32pm coelacanth∅: i like this album cover that reminds me of the china that was in my grandparents' house when i was little
	4:32pm Handy Haversack: Did the series flop? I thought it was good. There's a lot of anticapitalism in PSS and The Scar and Iron Council. Maybe too much for TV, and I don't think CM would allow the story to be made without that being foregrounded.
	4:35pm listener 126464: Also love the cover art.
	4:35pm Son Of Pantz: I thought the series was good, but it wasn't picked up so... You may be be right about The Scar and Iron Council but Kraken and City and the City would be easy to transform into a series.
	4:37pm Son Of Pantz: @ceolacanth did your family put plates on the walls too?
	🍝 4:37pm Niall: @Handy, are those good starts for a newb? Kraken.Perdido Street Station?
	🍝 4:38pm Niall: I'm in an Airbnb in Drexel Hill right now, and apparently Lloyd "Chronicles of Prydain" Alexander's old house is down the street. I thought the dude was Welsh!
	4:38pm Handy Haversack: Niall, I'd say so. PSS is book one of three set in the same world, but it stands alone just fine. Wow! I thought he was Welsh, too! Those books were SUPER formative for me as a kid!
	4:38pm Son Of Pantz: Kraken is a good stand-alone but Perdido STreet Station and The Scar are 2 handers.
	4:40pm Too Obtuse: Olivia: do NOT be intimidated!
	🍝 4:41pm Niall: This is a great interview.
	🍝 4:42pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, pastaronis! Thinking out loud here ... would there be anything to gain by some recipe of "beer batter pizza"? I guess I'm thinking of beer dough, rather than beer batter.
	4:43pm Barney Grubbs: Kraken is fun because it subsumes all sorts of other mythology. Perdido St/The Scar/Iron Council are mostly built on their own mythos, so it might take a little more effort to get into them.
	4:44pm dreamyandseedy: really enjoying this interview olivia!
	4:44pm HyperDose: OK I'm just going to say it...Karina is so cool!
	4:44pm olivia: thank you, Niall! and OK, Too Obtuse, I'll try! I'm usually not really, but sometimes a younger version of myself within me is.
	4:44pm Too Obtuse: Ken - I wash my pizza down with beer, so no need to put it in the dough! Same for chili
	4:45pm olivia: thanks dreamyandseedy! agreed, HyperDose :~)
	4:45pm Handy Haversack: Word, HyperDose! Word, dreamyandseedy. Enjoying this a lot, Olivia.
	4:45pm olivia: Thanks Handy!!
	4:45pm Son Of Pantz: @olivia you are a great interviewer. Very disarming.
	4:46pm Stephen O: Yes, this interview and music are just great. Midwinter inspiration. Thank you
	4:46pm olivia: That means a lot, Sons of Pantz!
	🍝 4:48pm Niall: Oh, Olivia, this may be out of left field, but I've had no luck finding "The Pale Horse and His Rider" by Totally Ruined; it's a highlight off your "Alien Americana" premium. Might you recall where you found that? I'd love to hear more stuff like that.
	4:49pm eric from lake hiawatha: Miss Karina you have a new fan
	4:50pm duck: this changed my life: "i like lo-fi or people who aren't super talented"
	4:53pm efd: I'm going to ask you "Olivia, where's those tracks" every Wednesday.
	4:53pm HyperDose: Always waiting for a spontaneous Olivia release!
	4:53pm olivia: I could use it, efd! hehe
	4:54pm listener 126464: Karina and Olivia, thanks for letting me eavesdrop.
	🍝 4:54pm Niall: Yeah, this is one of my favorite shows on the station; I'd be chuffed to hear more of your own stuff than I suspect I've heard.
	4:55pm tim from washington: You do great interviews, Olivia. This was so nice to hear.
	4:56pm TDK60: Interesting talk. I'm an untrained musician who's been playing off and on for years.
	4:57pm coelacanth∅: Son of Pantz weird but i don't remember! my grandmother dealt in antiques (to make ends meet because my grandfather, a lawyer, took on too many charitable cases!) so they were around. ...maybe on the walls?
	4:57pm Handy Haversack: Really great talk, Olivia. Thanks for letting us share it! Liking Cindy even more now!
	4:58pm Marie: what expressway? too many syllables
	4:59pm TVP: I always find it a little strange that Californians call them freeway, because I don't think there's really any toll roads out west.
	4:59pm DjLorraine: Very pleasant interview Miss Olivia, thank you
	5:00pm tim from washington: @Marie - Ha!
	🍝 5:00pm diciassette: That/this was/is really cool!
	🍝 5:00pm Niall: Love the cover image for this April Magazine.
	5:00pm Son Of Pantz: @ceolanth0 I'm from the South so trinkets and gew gahs were ever present in my grandmother's house. Hummell figurines and plates with Elvis' face were on all of the walls.
	5:01pm TDK60: Son Of Pantz: Elvis is everywhere.
	5:02pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Karina! great interview Olivia!
	5:03pm coelacanth∅: (we called 'em highways, regardless of if they were tolled or not)
	5:03pm Ike: I believe HBO's Watchmen (which was an odd sort of sequel series) was a success, but the writers/producers declined to continue it as far as I understand.
	5:03pm Marie: Yeah, I enjoyed the interview, thanks. Like just doing the creating is valid and important (and trying (!) to not care/think about its reception)
	5:04pm Marie: love this tune
	5:05pm coelacanth∅: SOP we had a few hummells. i thought they were hideous when i was little! they got multiple fractures long before they could've been worth something.
	🍝 5:05pm diciassette: Goodness, I'm really enjoying my pizza fast!
	5:06pm efd: wow, I have this Mister Baby album but never played it. What's wrong with me?!
	5:06pm tim from washington: I sure like all this jangle.
	5:07pm Son Of Pantz: Hey Sandie, does your dog bite?
	5:14pm Marie: Hey Tim @) always nice to see you
	🍝 5:16pm diciassette: Ah!
	5:16pm tim from washington: Hey Marie! Good to see you too.
	5:17pm HyperDose: I not only adore this album, I wholly endorse it for listener consumption.
	5:17pm Buffalo Bills Quarterback Josh Allen: @yes @handy i am sad. thank you for your support. missed most of the show.
	5:18pm HyperDose: You're not grieving alone, Josh Allen.
	5:19pm Son Of Pantz: This is an incredible pull. I'm transported to 1986
	5:19pm Marie: bring on the jangle!
	5:20pm Buffalo Bills Quarterback Josh Allen: i have never experienced anything like that in my life - such a strong rush of endorphins followed IMMEDIATELY by crushing disappointment. and then again, and even more extreme. i didn't lose too much sleep over it, but im feeling weird today, and at some point this afternoon i realized, oh, that game was mentally and emotionally EXHAUSTING
	5:21pm tim from washington: Now this is a GREAT song title.
	🍝 5:21pm Ken From Hyde Park: I would've thought a lead with 13 seconds would've been enough, but alas not.
	5:21pm Son Of Pantz: @Josh I'm a lifelong Bengals and Reds fan so I feel your pain, baby.
	5:21pm Glistener MW: “Alan! Vega! WINS!!! (Perfect!)” 🇪🇸
	🍝 5:21pm Niall: Ah, Alan Vega. One of the few celebrities I've met, and he was an absolute prince. Totally hepped me to Nikolai Gogol.
	5:21pm Carmichael: @Josh, me too. As a longtime Bucs fan, yesterday's game was a heartbreaker. I also watched your performance and saw Mahomes slip away once more. Nothing left but root for the Niners ....
	5:22pm Phillippe: @Josh Allen that was quite a game yesterday! I'm a big fan of Josh and Diggs. Definitely felt your pain
	5:24pm Phillippe: @son of pantz I think you'll be in good stead with your Bengals for a while. I love Burrow (even after he torched my Ravens), seems like a real high character guy
	🍝 5:25pm Niall: Even when I said "Oh! You sang backup vocals on that Sisterhood album! beat Aaaaaaaaaad 'Frankie Teardrop,' etc," he was friendly charming.
	5:25pm Buffalo Bills Quarterback Josh Allen: i should say dopamine not endorphins, i suppose. pulling for the Bengals @son!! @ken that's what happens when you kick it through the endzone and play prevent defense against the best QB / WR / TE with 3 time outs :( @phillippe i am somewhat consoled by the fact that my crushing disappointment came as a result of a literally all time great NFL game thx @carmichael didnt mean to takeover the chat! but it was the event of the evening...
	5:25pm Ryansterlingvirtue: reminds me of Galaxie 500
	5:25pm Carmichael: Whatever you do, don't mention pizza ...
	5:25pm Andres: Did anybody else catch Springsteen’s version of Dream Baby Dream being used in a Super Bowl promo yesterday? Not appreciated by me. Nonetheless his live version is very good.
	5:27pm YETI BOB: The Bucks/Bulls rivalry has heated up. BOOO for Grayson Allen! Only suspended for 1 game? He should sit out the rest of the season.
	5:27pm Son Of Pantz: @Pjillipe @ Josh The Bengals will choke. Bet money on it.
	5:29pm Handy Haversack: I missed the FUHBAH talk! Had to run to the store and make a drink -- cheers, Olivia and Olivians!
	5:29pm Buffalo Bills Quarterback Josh Allen: @andres i also like the live version by Savages (which is also on an EP with an excellent live song of theirs called Fuckers)
	5:30pm Andres: Josh Allen, we also felt the thrill and disappointment across the border and up the road from Buffalo. We keep the dream alive.
	5:31pm Andres: Will check out that version, BBQBJA. Thanks!
	5:31pm Phillippe: Depends on how healthy the Chiefs secondary gets, Pantz, could be a surprise.
	5:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TiaB preclicked... Had to do a chore - nice to be back - glad there's still some Ravioli still warm even...
	5:32pm coelacanth∅: there's no stoop too low for superbowl marketing. Springsteen sold his publishing rights last year and i wonder if he'd have done that; and who "owns the rights" to Mr. Vega's music?
	5:34pm listener 126464: Bruce photo-ops into a few local places to regain his cred.
	5:35pm Phillippe: Gotta run. Thanks for a great show and interview, Olivia! Pats for Bruce and treats for Matt as long as they are good bois!
	5:35pm Handy Haversack: dday posted a great quote from Rundgren about Meat Loaf and Springsteen this morning: "Everyone saw the same act that I saw, but then nobody saw it the same way I saw. In my mind this was the genius spoof of Bruce Springsteen that the world so desperately needed. The hyperbolic lyrics about motorcycles & switchblades, the simple triads of the music, the melodrama, the mysterious Svengali at the piano, all fronted not by a hunky denim clad stud but a 250-pound wild man whose head might explode any second. I was sold." Todd Rundgren from the book "The Individualist"
	5:35pm Andres: coel: He has played the Super Bowl so hard to say.
	5:35pm olivia: @listener 126464 I thoguht you meant my bruce for a sec and was very confused
	5:37pm coelacanth∅: Andres, i forgot about that! oh well.
	5:37pm Handy Haversack: Olivia, your Bruce has street cred to spare!
	5:37pm listener 126464: I know, Olivia. I was keeping that in my backpocket in case of fallout.
	5:39pm happymaan: Man, I feel bad. I wanted to listen to this show but I got caught up on Sheenas Jungle Room.
	5:39pm coelacanth∅: Handy it's a perfect example of rundgren imagining himself superior to everyone else.
	5:39pm Handy Haversack: Pretty jaw-dropping title for a book, coela!
	5:40pm eva: hello. enjoying the show. played this album so much it broke. I was just a kid.
	5:41pm HyperDose: That'll happen, Happymaan
	5:42pm JohnEBGood: Heart of Glass. Juke Box favorite at Marty's. Corner of Green and Essex. OMG
	5:42pm listener 126464: Good one to be stuck.
	5:42pm Rich in Washington: Debbie Harry's voice...
	5:42pm coelacanth∅: haha yeah! ...and i'm sure it's got interesting stories too but i couldn't read it. i'd put money on his delivery being a stone reinforcement of the disgust i already have for that guy.
	5:43pm gonedungIT: Thanks for that 2 min dance party I just had!
	5:43pm Carmichael: Sounds like Todd doesn't care for Bruce's presentation style. Which reminds me, there was some band on SNL a week or two back who outright stole every one of Springsteen's stage cliches. They were a clone of Bruce & band. I was astonished, I thought they would be served papers before they got off the stage.
	5:43pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: So much admiration for Debbie & Clem Burke ...but Blondie the band somehow never landed too hard for me ...an era there were many other things seemed more on point...
	5:44pm PaulRobeson1920: : ) hii all
	5:44pm coelacanth∅: RR try plastic letters, if you've never heard it.
	5:45pm Handy Haversack: Springsteen et al. have no jurisdiction on this side of the Hudson, Carmichael! It's a legal gray area pretty much from Manhattan to the Utopia Parkway!
	5:46pm robin: loving the show today! thanks so much olivia
	🍝 5:47pm Ken From Hyde Park: Try the meat loaf ravioli.
	5:47pm Ryansterlingvirtue: YAY! Outstanding song
	5:47pm coelacanth∅: Bruce's style was pretty comical, but so was 3/4 of performers at that time. same clichés, same basic image. i don't like a lot of Springsteen's music -because of arrangement, not composition... but i think he's a stand-up guy
	5:48pm olivia: robin Thank you!
	5:48pm Ryansterlingvirtue: @coelacanth-I agree. I want to remix all of his songs without any keys lol
	5:49pm listener 126464: That was mega-producer Jack Antonoff and band Bleachers on SNL.
	5:49pm Buffalo Bills Quarterback Josh Allen: Bruce Springsteen is more similar to Meatloaf than a lot of people would like to admit. the thing is...they both RULE
	5:50pm coelacanth∅: Ryan YES! ...and no sax.
	5:50pm Carmichael: Nothing against Sprinsteen the guy, but the band performances are almost cartoonish. Do you really expect me to buy your blissing out, like the sax player is blowing the most fantastic solo in history? At least until tomorrow night?
	5:50pm Buffalo Bills Quarterback Josh Allen: listen to Jungleland and Paradise by the Dashboard Light back to back and tell me im wrong
	5:50pm Handy Haversack: Does any Fat White Family song sound like any other Fat White Family song? These guys are all over the place -- but I always like it! Hadn't heard them in a while. Absolute smasherator of a show, Olivia! A great interview, great tunes, the total package. I guess there could have been more pizza, but even radio has its limitations. Many thanks! Stay hungry, Pizza Pasta Pocket People!
	5:51pm coelacanth∅: (or very little sax, and very little piano)
	5:51pm Carmichael: Oh man, a great song to remake ....
	5:51pm Andres: No bad versions!
	🍝 5:52pm Niall: Whoa, I thought we'd gone full Demis Roussos for a moment. Instead, it's a loverly, druggy cover of the Walker Brothers. Decent!
	5:52pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I like the early Brooce with too many words that only FMUvians & the like ever play. Yeah for having such a champion of Garage like LittleSteven in the band & such a celebrated hot band - a more direct kinda recording shouldn't have been so hard to arrive @. But the target was the Charts & the mainstream...
	5:52pm tim from washington: Thanks for the great show and excellent interview, Olivia!
	5:54pm coelacanth∅: i do really like 2 of Springsteen's albums. nebraska and (to less of a degree) tom jode. anyone who's heard those 2 albums can figure why. sparse.
	5:54pm Krys O: Thanks, Olivia! Don't put yourself down. You are an amazing person! And a person can convince themselves that they have confidence just as they can convince themselves of the opposite. ❤️
	5:55pm Carmichael: Less is more, coel.
	5:55pm Ryansterlingvirtue: @coel agreed. I went so far as to download the midi versions of his song just to take out the piano/tuba tracks. they sound so much better.
	5:55pm Ryansterlingvirtue: Outstanding show! Thanks!
	5:55pm coelacanth∅: (ghost of tom joad is overproduced, but it's still excellent)
	5:56pm olivia: Excellent wisdom, Krys O, thank you <3
	5:56pm coelacanth∅: Ryan that's awesome! i guess i have to just imagine it
	5:57pm JohnEBGood: Joad and Nebraska are great. It took a while but I really got to enjoy The River.
	5:57pm Ochre Ogre: Thanks Olivia!
	5:57pm dday: @Handy..thanks for the repost. @Carmichael: It's an observation by Todd, not a criticism. He's merely saying the seriousness with which Bruce presents his material can be offset by the over the topness of Meatloaf's. I worked at Todd's #2 studio of choice in Woodstock for owner/Chief Engineer Chris Andersen. Todd was already gone to SF or Hawaii by the time I got there, but when pressed for info, Chris would open up on some topics. Not gossip, just facts from a guy who spent many years (11) as Todd's road sound guy & more in the studio as well. Chris was a great boss.
	5:58pm chresti: Hi olivia, I was lurking+listening = lursening!
	5:58pm coelacanth∅: 'river's got some great moments; but then it also has hungry heart...
	5:58pm morphe': Thanks O and all !!!!
	5:59pm Rich in Washington: Thanks, Olivia! Lovely show today!
	5:59pm HyperDose: Kind of is hard to say goodbye because this show leaves me with a marinara-laden smile on my face each week!
	5:59pm chris in the redwoods: whoa, got swept up in work. thanks so much, Olivia! i really enjoyed your interview and your selections today. take care, everyone!
	5:59pm Marie: grt. show, merci!
	5:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Meatloaf was like GaryBusey or something - something wound a little too tight in there & craycray. Head full of backwards political garbage. Not like Brooce that way. But that craycray was part of his full bore energy. He never phoned it in vocally. For all that - the only thing by him I care to hear is his RockyHorror tune. & people say one on one he was a nice guy.
	5:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Olivia!
	5:59pm listener 126464: Thanks Olivia. Great interview and show. Thanks message board.
	🍝 5:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Olivia. Nice music & interview today.
	5:59pm PaulRobeson1920: Thanks Olivia!
	5:59pm Andres: Thanks Olivia!
	🍝 6:00pm diciassette: Thanks, Olivia!
	6:00pm Carmichael: Thanks Olivia!
	6:00pm JohnEBGood: Good point. Meat Loaf would be awesome on that one!

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