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Today: Discussing neurotech with station manager Ken Freedman

May 8, 2023 Techtonic with Nita Farahany, talking about her book The Battle for Your Brain: Defending the Right to Think Freely in the Age of Neurotechnology

Portable, non-invasive AI turns thoughts into text (Verdadeufo, Dec 26, 2023): “Researchers at the GrapheneX-UTS Human-centric Artificial Intelligence Center at the University of Technology Sydney (UTS) surprised the world by presenting an innovative, portable and non-invasive system capable of converting thoughts into text without the need for brain implants.”

    --> see also UTS HAI Research - BrainGPT (video claiming to show the technology in action)

• Other “post-phone” tech: Facebook’s Ray-Ban surveillance glasses, Facebook/Meta’s Quest VR goggles, Apple’s Vision Pro (see the June 19, 2023 Techtonic: Ridiculing Apple’s Vision Pro headset with Paris Marx)

Elon Musk’s Brain Implant Startup Is Ready to Start Surgery (by Ashlee Vance, Nov 9, 2023): “Neuralink’s implant sits invisibly beneath the scalp, flush with the skull. It’s also packed with enough computing horsepower to handle jobs well beyond think-and-click. In the nearish future, the idea is to enable high-speed typing as well as seamless use of a cursor. Neuralink has also been working on a complementary spinal implant intended to restore movement and sensation in paralyzed people.” . . . “Two other companies, Synchron and Onward, have more than a year’s head start on human trials with brain implants and related technology.”

How Neuralink Keeps Dead Monkey Photos Secret (by Dell Cameron and Dhruv Mehrotra in Wired, Oct 4, 2023): “Elon Musk’s brain-chip startup conducted years of tests at UC Davis, a public university. A WIRED investigation reveals how Neuralink and the university keep the grisly images of test subjects hidden.”

Facebook acquires neural interface startup CTRL-Labs for its mind-reading wristband (The Verge, Sep 23, 2019): “Bosworth says CTRL-Labs’ wristband will be instrumental in developing new ways of interacting with machines without needing traditional mouse-and-keyboard setups, touchscreens, or any form of physical controller whatsoever.”

Neuralink competitor Precision Neuroscience buys factory to build its brain implants  (CNBC, Oct 5, 2023): “The company has started testing its brain implant on human patients and believes it could ultimately help people with paralysis operate digital devices with their brain signals. Precision said the manufacturing plant is the only facility capable of producing its ‘sophisticated’ electrode array.”

How brain chips can change you (Insider, Feb 15, 2023): “More than 200,000 people around the world already use some kind of BCI, mostly for medical reasons. Perhaps the best-known use case is cochlear implants, which enable deaf people to, in a sense, hear. Another preeminient use case is in epileptic-seizure prevention. . . . now BCIs are constrained to the medical domain, but a vast array of nonmedical uses have been proposed for the technology. Research published in 2018 described participants using BCIs to interface with numerous apps on an Android tablet, including typing, messaging, and searching the web just by imagining relevant movements. More speculative applications include playing video games, manipulating virtual reality, or even receiving data inputs like text messages or videos directly, bypassing the need for a monitor.”

This is literally your brain on capitalism (Cory Doctorow, Dec 12, 2023):

Earlier this year, many people with Argus optical implants – which allow blind people to see – lost their vision when the manufacturer, Second Sight, went bust.

Nano Precision Medical, the company’s new owners, aren’t interested in maintaining the implants, so that’s the end of the road for everyone with one of Argus’s ‘bionic’ eyes. The $150,000 per eye that those people paid is gone, and they have failing hardware permanently wired into their nervous systems.

Having a bricked eye implant doesn’t just rob you of your sight – many Argus users experience crippling vertigo and other side effects of nonfunctional implants. The company has promised to ‘do our best to provide virtual support’ to people whose Argus implants fail – but no more parts and no more patches.
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Listener comments!

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Handy Haversack:

Happy New Year, Mark, Ken, Techyons.
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Wendy del Formaggio:

Happy New Year, Mark, Handy, K8, Ken, and everyone else!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:02pm
-жеи:

Hi all!
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Hi Mark Hurst, Ken, and all!!!
Happy New Year!!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
chresti:

Hi Mark and techtoniacs !
Avatar 6:03pm
TDK60:

Good evening, Mark, Ken.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:04pm
Ciggy:

Hi Mark
Hi Ken
  6:04pm
Listener Robert:

This is a continuation of the work I read about ~45 years ago by an inventor who had a hat that could pick up enough info to control machinery -- looked very promising for severely crippled patients. Working on the reverse, putting thoughts INTO the brain wirelessly, look up the later work of Michael Persinger.
  6:05pm
tom tom the pipers son:

hello everybody, @ mark were you at MIT when mihai nadin was teaching there, a voice critical of a. i.?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
chresti:

Hi Ken!

Happy new year!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
tim:

Hi Mark and Staysh! Happy new year!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Cooh John:

Happy New Year Mark, Ken, and techtonicians.
  6:06pm
Listener Robert:

Robert O. Becker also did some research in this field, overcoming spinal cord breaks.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Good evening, Mark & Ken and large-brained primates!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Ciggy:

Cellphones are Watching
  6:07pm
?:

Ken is there because, thankfully, he wears a dog collar that prevents him from leaving the radio station.
  6:07pm
bLeubomberune:

MH- a dood evening Mark & Ken
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
PaulRobeson1924:

A bery happy new year! Hi Hi Hi
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
joe mulligan:

a lot of people have a technology that they will refuse to adopt when they get older. a chip in the brain is where i draw the line.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Ike:

As always, thanks to Techtonic for introducing me to Internet & Technology Addicts Anonymous, and let me post the link to their great website (!) again: internetaddictsanonymous.org
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
tim:

Serious question. What is the mindset of a consumer who is enthusiastic for brain chips?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Handy Haversack:

No test animal is treated fairly. Until we get consent, it's always abuse and cruelty. Shouldn't lose sight of that.
  6:12pm
Dean:

We're ignoring the actual research when we favor what for-profits seek. We should allow "real" scientists to explore. We should not allow non-scientists like Musk to fart around with their stupid, SF-informed notions.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:12pm
Ciggy:

There's a Go Fund Me page for Johnny Mnemonic
Avatar 6:12pm
TDK60:

↳ tim @6:11
Tim: The "mind"set of a post-freedom consumer zombie possibly, tim?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
joe mulligan:

what if the first brain chips get outdated in a few months? how do they "future proof" them so humans don't need multiple brain surgeries?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
PaulRobeson1924:

↳ tim @6:11
Similar to the mindset of someone who buys a T.V
  6:14pm
tom tom the pipers son:

this is seen as an 'evolutionary" step... a reinvigoration of social darwinism
  6:14pm
bLeubomberune:

Mortimer Snerd where are you when humanity needs a savior
  6:14pm
Sam:

People aren’t freaked out by computers reading/manipulating their thoughts? With Trump on the cusp of becoming dictator? What is wrong with people?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
joe mulligan:

↳ tim @6:11
first it will be people suffering conditions that can be fixed, then much later it will be people who have a "brain boost" then people who don't want to be left behind.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

↳ joe mulligan @6:13
They don't. Or, they update the program, like they do with your smartphone or your computer's OS. Except, well, it's in your brain.
ACK. Even typing that makes me queasy.
  6:15pm
queems:

if you’re going to let elon musk put wires in your brain, you deserve what’s coming to you
  6:15pm
Dean:

Full disclosure: I think Musk is somewhat better for X than Dorsey. But X is ... what? ... some way we communicate with each other?

I doubt that Musk's experiments with monkeys is much different from what we've done for ages. He is not the problem.
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joe mulligan:

↳ Wendy del Formaggio @6:15
I'm with you Wendy!!
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Webhamster Henry:

There are actually pretty good non-implanted brain data interfaces.
  6:16pm
Sam:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:11
Yeah, like there’s a fair way to experiment on animals.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark & Ken! Best wishes for the New Year!
  6:17pm
Dean:

In other words, I think we treat Musk almost purely via our ideological biases. Accordingly, I have a hard time accepting criticisms of Musk.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

I'm approaching my 50th birthday. I'm already noticing how aging is affecting my memory. And, even though that's hard -- and could get harder were I to develop Alzheimer's or other dementia -- I'm not sure I want an "enhanced" brain that links to some corporation.
I'll just get old and goofy, then die. You know, like a person.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

I wonder where he thinks there's room for tens of thousands of his own satellites up there.
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tim:

↳ joe mulligan @6:15
Thanks for your answers, folks!
  6:21pm
Sam:

Musk: Come on, take the brain implant voluntarily, don’t make me paralyze you.
  6:22pm
Dean:

Silicon Valley generates products that we choose to adopt! SV doesn't prove that, e.g., per Everett there are, necessarily, multiple worlds. SV sells shit.

Solution? Stop buying their shit.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:23pm
Ciggy:

What if Elon Musk were kidnapped for some immoral purposes. Like Andy Breckman
  6:23pm
Sam:

I don’t think that’s the point. Even if Teslas worked perfectly this would be a terrible idea.
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chresti:

This is reminding me of a scene in the 1968 film if....
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Handy Haversack:

NB: *Not* Bas!
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Bas NL:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:24
It woke me up too, Handy! :)
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tim:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:24
No, not Bas! Where did we go wrong?
  6:25pm
Dean:

If Teslas worked perfectly--i.e., no emissions, no particulates, no. pollution, no accidents--I'd approve them. (I wouldn't buy one. I hate cars per se.)
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Maybe an open-source organization can make a brain-Bluetooth interface and then you can just connect with any Buetooth device currently on the market or ones yet to come.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
chresti:

I welcome Elon to put implants in his own brain first
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
joe mulligan:

"use facebook via wristband" - yea if people still care about facebook. Facebook is gonna fade out real quick with some other AI sort of disruptive technology.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
joe mulligan:

↳ chresti @6:26
damn straight!
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TDK60:

Can I improve my focus? Sure, boss!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Bas NL:

Just earlier today i found an EEG plot made from my brain, made 40 years ago. Can't be a coincidence..
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
Webhamster Henry:

They so want to eliminate even the click of one-click!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:30pm
PaulRobeson1924:

May I use the rest room, please? “Sorry dude, brain chip says u don’t have to go yet”
  6:30pm
wearpants:

Speaking of someone with severe are outside, who already most to use his voice dictation, I am happy for anything that will liberate me from a keyboard and mouse
Avatar 🤖 6:34pm
MarciB:

↳ chresti @6:26
Yes!!
  6:34pm
wearpants:

Severe RSI*
Avatar 6:37pm
TDK60:

I lived in a town with a university advanced in biometrics in the '90s/'00s. They were so proud of that. Ick. Now, that same univ. is attacking its own humanities. Coincidence?
Avatar 🤖 6:37pm
MarciB:

So whatever happened to the right to privacy for non-celebs and non-famous people?
  6:38pm
Dean:

People accept implants all the time. Big deal. I really wish folks would stop defaulting to stupid science fiction narratives when they think about the world, by which I mean the real world in which lots of odd phenomena occur. Implants, per se, are neither good nor bad
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
The Butterman:

Wait, what was Staysh eating?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:39pm
joe mulligan:

there's gonna be some consent lawsuits with those Ray Banned
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Webhamster Henry:

Ray-Ban AR glasses should turn you into Marcello Mastroianni when you look in a mirror.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
joe mulligan:

does anyone else remember Robert Scoble, the original influencer hyping google glassses?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
DjLorraine:

I only have hope because you guys know the danger of the current and future situations.
  6:42pm
headcleaner:

It was the "No Glassholes" signs that I remember most fondly from that precious era
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Webhamster Henry:

"My beta Google Glass
Plays a Vine of Beyoncé's ass"
-- outdated line from a satirical song of mine.
  6:44pm
Sam:

I think it’s time to shut down the internet. Sorry, it was fun while it lasted. But we weren’t able to use it responsibly, so it has to go, before we all become slaves.
  6:45pm
Dean:

I wanted to shut down the internet in '91 or so. It was and remains a miserable idea.
Avatar 6:45pm
mespr:

I was one for the first glassholes. I Loved it because I could take pictures with a wink. And I programmed it to provide Zork, while I was driving..
  6:46pm
wearpants:

Apple facial Recognition for unlocking happens on the device & they're very serious about privacy. This is some straight up sloppy fear mongering, very disappointed here WFMu
  6:47pm
Marie in Chicago:

Hey, great to hear you guys. I imagine, think, laws will evolve eventually where we alone own rights to our images and vocal emsssions...? But they will try to get us to cede those too..
  6:47pm
Dean:

Doctorow is just a little bit self-important, a little too cocky for his own good.
  6:47pm
headcleaner:

11 year olds in France - Quoi encore?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ wearpants @6:46
Hard disagree.

www.wfmu.org...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
DjLorraine:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:11
Bold Native movie really stuck with me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
anne:

a total aside but when I went to watch Dream Scenario in Seattle, there were 4 WFMU listeners there (including me). Two of them were a couple. They all self-identified when they saw my hat.
  6:51pm
headcleaner:

Pretty soon everything will be free, we'll all have high-quality housing, all our needs taken care of ... provided we have a little chip implanted that beams just 15 minutes worth of Dreamfluencer spots into our brain stems every night
Avatar 🤖 6:51pm
herb.nyc:

Hola. Mark said I sent him the ray ban / meta eyeglass full page ad. I encourage others to email him tech poop. And, It’s also a centerfold in the nyt (ie, 2p ad)

Wow, this ken person. With mark. He’s a really smart intern. He’s got a future

(Coincidence- ken said future just as I typed it!!!)

Terminal Man- I read the book. Way back in 70s!
  6:51pm
Old Dave:

That second film sound right. Everything must be monetized!
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mespr:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:48
Love that. But what I say is true. Playing Zork while driving was great. Ray Ban Zucker glasses are silly. Google ihas gone evil.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
tim:

Was Dream Scenario the Nic Cage move or the 2nd movie Staysh described?
  6:51pm
Sam:

You don’t need a WFMU hat, just wear the spy glasses and you’ll know exactly who the FMU people are.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
joe mulligan:

↳ wearpants @6:46
until they're hacked. even if they don't get hacked we're trusting the same company who outsourced child labor in the past
  6:52pm
P-90:

@Ken: “The Terminal Man” movie (from a typically astute Michael Crichton book) is definitely worth a watch
  6:52pm
Erik (VT):

Terminal Man 1972 classic film !
- Classic Micheal Crichton dystopian vision.
- featuring George Segel.
Avatar 6:53pm
mespr:

I like ... birds.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Cooh John:

Read and saw "Terminal Man" when the book and movie came out. Had monkeys in it. Monkeys were manipulated.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Handy Haversack:

You should see how we get when denied access to WFMU! It's not pretty.

Thanks, Mark, Ken.
Avatar 6:53pm
TDK60:

Shwew. Mark, Ken, best for the new year.
  6:54pm
Old Dave:

When in doubt, consult an Amish woman. The men are just stupid up to age 70.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Sam @6:44
"Paper Man" (1971) is another kind of Techtonic Internet-of-things dystopia en.wikipedia.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Cooh John:

↳ wearpants @6:46
What could possibly go wrong?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Bas NL:

↳ Handy Haversack @6:53
Next Marathon.. two weeks of WFMU radio silence.
  6:55pm
Erik VT:

What’s the deal with that last October(?) iPhone 12 being banned in France 🇫🇷?! Due to radiation waves ? No real reaction over here ?
  6:56pm
Sam:

Pretty soon even after you die they’ll be able to track your soul through the afterlife.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Webhamster Henry:

↳ Erik VT @6:55
IDK, but there was an Apple Watch ban because of patent violations, apparently...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
Handy Haversack:

↳ Bas NL @6:55
Take all my money! Make it stop!
  6:57pm
Old Dave:

Idiocracy holds up
  6:58pm
Erik VT:

I’m ALL-In with the new Nic Cage flick Dream Scenario !
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark & Ken! Happy New Year all!
  6:58pm
P-90:

Safe to conclude at this point: DON’T get a “BRAIN CHIP”
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Richy4619:

y'all stay cool! happy new year, Techtonic!
  6:59pm
Old Dave:

XLN sho
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Wendy del Formaggio:

Thanks, Mark and Ken! Happy New Year, everyone!
  6:59pm
Bea:

Great show, Mark and Ken!
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mespr:

!!!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks for chipping in tonight!
  7:00pm
Sam:

I have an echoey British accent, doesn’t that prove I’m a robot?
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anne:

↳ Sam @6:51
i just look deep into their eyes and i know
Avatar 7:01pm
TDK60:

↳ anne @7:00
Anne: I would look at their ears.
  7:02pm
bLeubomberune:

Ken & Mark thanks… all stay safe & be well
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:46pm
chresti:

You can turn off the camera by covering the lense and the recording on your surveillance device?

Thanks Mark and Ken!
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