WFMU: Irene Trudel: Playlist from September 8, 2015

Listener comments!
	9:05pm Andrew: More Jade Warrior. Thank you, Irene.
	♥ 9:11pm slugluv1313: hi Irene! YES! what Andrew said :)
	9:12pm V Priceless: Hey Irene - digging this Warrior!
	♥ 9:13pm Irene Trudel: Hi Andrew, slugluv and V Priceless! Glad you're liking the tunes tonight.
	9:16pm martha: me too :-)
	♥ 9:21pm Irene Trudel: HI Martha! Glad to have you here too.
	♥ 9:23pm Bronwyn Bishop: Damn, just missed Yo La Tengo...
	♥ 9:26pm Bronwyn Bishop: But I'm here just in time for Elliott Smith, yay!
	9:27pm JakeGould: Hello Andrew, slugluv1313, V Priceless, Martha, Bronwyn Smeltfish and Irene!
	♥ 9:28pm Irene Trudel: Lots of good stuff tonight, Bronwyn. Sorry you missed Yo La Tengo, but I'll be playing more of it in the future.
	♥ 9:29pm Bronwyn Bishop: Hi Jake! And it's ok Irene, I'm excited to hear whatever you have planned for tonight :)
	9:30pm JakeGould: Last blast of summer indeed. Cools down the rest of the week. So nasty in NYC/NJ right now.
	🥁 ♥ 9:37pm Summer and Michael: Love!
	♥ 9:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: Good evening, fine WFMU citizens. Just in case you were wondering, it's also hot & humid here north of New York City.
	9:56pm JakeGould: @KenFromHydePark: It’s just so bad. I mean we need rain.
	♥ 10:09pm exiledinbk: Who is she? That they're talking about?
	10:11pm Listener Robert: Her name was mentioned so softly, maybe we'll have to pick it up on archive.
	♥ 10:12pm coelacanth: olá Irene and all youz
	♥ 10:12pm slugluv1313: Linda Perhacs! of "Parallelograms" fame <3
	10:14pm Listener Robert: Thanks, slug.
	♥ 10:17pm Irene Trudel: Yes, slugluv, lovely Linda Perhacs. Parallelograms is one of my all-time top 5 albums. And as we talked about, she's a big influence on Johanna Warren.
	♥ 10:20pm slugluv1313: anytime, Listener Robert! please do check out Linda Perhacs when you have the chance! i grew up in rural/suburban NJ -- "Parallelograms" was HUGE on (mostly) late night WNEW-FM in the 1970s -- but i could not track down her album ANYWHERE! so, i too became somewhat obsessed over the years, and was happy to hear that not only was Linda Perhacs still alive but also still writing, singing, and recording!
	10:22pm JakeGould: Pretty amazing that archaic sexism still exists in radio nowadays. Also, people who are “gearheads” have no clue what they are doing. It’s like guys at Guitar Center who just noodle around all day but have never created anything. Or even guys at photo stores… Crap, do I hate going top photo gear stores.
	10:22pm Ice in Brooklynth: Thanks for playing easy way out es
	♥ 10:23pm coelacanth: i (as a dude) think i engineer more like a woman....but i'm definitely guilty of being distracted by a beautiful voice! (if that is in fact a "man" thing. [which is a sexist generalisation; and i know females who also get distracted by a beautiful voice.])
	10:23pm Ice in Brooklynth: I've been boring holes lately
	♥ 10:26pm Irene Trudel: slugluv, sounds like my experience with the album. WNEW-FM played Parallelograms a lot, and I finally found Linda's LP in the 80's. And, yeah, Jake, there is less sexism but it does persist. I'd rather get the music out there rather than talk about how I'm going to do it-- although I'm guilty of that in this interview a bit tonight. She just got me in a comfortable groove talking about my experiences and hers.
	10:28pm JakeGould: Also hardware stores. I’m a guy, but I don’t look like a contractor so there is a good chance I will get treated like a dolt. But that said, hardware stores are a tad better to be a “non pro” in nowadays.
	♥ 10:28pm coelacanth: i really like this.
	10:28pm Ice in Brooklynth: This is beautiful
	10:30pm jon: nice set johanna. beautiful sound
	10:32pm JakeGould: @IreneTrudel: This might be a slight tangent, but I work mainly in the tech world and was talking to an old co-worker I ran into—who quit the tech world—about how horrible “dude-bro” culture is in that world. We’re both guys, we both know what we are doing, but the level of toxic “What do you know??!?!” nonsense there is stunning. You would think a relatively new field like that would be less sexist, but it’s just nutty how “old school” some tech start-ups are.
	♥ 10:32pm Irene Trudel: Thanks everyone! Glad I could turn you all on to Johanna's lovely music.
	♥ 10:33pm coelacanth: Jake- i'm lucky i guess. my local hardware store appears completely un-sexist. there are 2 strong women [you know i don't mean strong physically,necessarily] who work there and even the young part-timers who work the register seem to get treated with respect and no condescension.
	10:33pm JakeGould: And… On topic… Johanna Warren is quite nice this last-ish day of summer heat… johannawarren.bandcamp.com
	10:35pm JakeGould: @coelacanth: You are upstate right? Small towns are actually more open-minded I find that NYC is when it comes to hardware store knowledge/culture. More in tune with the fact that smaller areas need better long term relationships with folks.
	♥ 10:36pm coelacanth: Johanna was excellent! i'll come back for the first 4 that i missed.
	♥ 10:37pm Irene Trudel: Jake, I'm lucky in that I finally work at a place that treats me as an equal when it comes to the technical side. And we all discuss new tech and things that might help improve our work tools and such. Mostly sexism comes from people outside our organization, and I just brush it off now. I can't speak to tech startups because I've no experience there.
	10:38pm Peter K.: Johanna Warren's music is extraordinary, the interview was one of the best you've ever done, and the Mets just came from six runs behind to win, 8-7. It's a great night!
	10:38pm Andrew: Johanna's voice is a bit musical even when she is only talking. Enjoyed hearing her.
	♥ 10:40pm slugluv1313: i LOVE the kinda "old school" hardware stores here in Hoboken -- sadly, two have closed -- but always super helpful and informative, and i have NEVER been treated in that condescending/sexist "oh you poor little helpless female" kinda way -- but then again, it is not like i ever have this "cutesy" "damsel in distress" kinda demeanor either
	♥ 10:40pm coelacanth: that's interesting Jake. i don't think most people would guess that...and if i'd thought about it more, [i would've thought A LOT about it if the environment offended me with sexism or employee belittling!] -i might've decided it's 'cause i live in a decidedly "progressive" community, which it is.
	♥ 10:42pm slugluv1313: YES Johanna's music and voice are positively ENCHANTING! fascinating interview too!
	10:44pm KP: Hello Irene!
	♥ 10:45pm Irene Trudel: Thanks a lot, Peter! And thanks for the Mets Update. Glad to see they didn't collapse.
	♥ 10:47pm slugluv1313: @ Irene -- ahhh Allison Steele "The Night Bird"? :) i was never able to find Linda Perhacs' LP -- jealous!
	♥ 10:47pm coelacanth: actually, Johanna's speaking voice distracted me! ...but, beautiful though it may be,it was because she sounded uncannily like someone i know.(& cannot think of who)
	10:47pm JakeGould: @IreneTrudel: Tech startups are another issue. But yeah, I understand in general. @slugluv1313: FWIW, I find the mentality of store owners—and maybe just people—in Hoboken and Jersey City to me much more “human” and easy to deal with than NYC. NYC nowadays is far more competitive than it should be even by NYC standards. And when I mean competitive I don’t mean “workplace” competitiveness, but just daily experience competitiveness. Buying a sandwich at a Pret-A-Manger form noon-2:00pm can give me hives.
	♥ 10:48pm Irene Trudel: Hi KP! Oh, slugluv, you're making me blush! Allison was a big influence on me.
	10:49pm KP: Liz Berg was already preceding Brian on Tuesdays, Irene. The big one is Joe/Joe Mondays
	10:49pm Listener Robert: Don't be so sorry re name pronunciation consider all the people who must read your name to sound like "strudel" w/o the "s".
	10:51pm JakeGould: @KP: Yeah, Imaginary Radio moves to Thursday and Joe McGasko is on Monday and then Dan Bodah has a new 1 hour long show on Mondays
	10:52pm KP: I think there's still a lot of Nick Drake stuff in vaults.
	♥ 10:52pm coelacanth: still no Sue P. (sad &/or pissed face emoticon)
	♥ 10:54pm Irene Trudel: KP, you're right! Just had a senior moment with Liz on that one. Listener Robert, yes I do get "Strudel" a lot. One of my brothers wanted to add an extra "L" to his name legally because it annoyed him so much-- until he went to Montreal and found there's lots of Trudels up there (pronounced correctly too.)
	♥ 10:56pm coelacanth: i never thought "strudel"; but i used to think "Trudeau"!
	♥ 10:56pm slugluv1313: @JakeGould -- i know what you mean! NYC USED to be "friendlier" -- more "Mom & Pop" shops i guess -- but now all those big box stores, the suburban stores . . . Starbucks on Delancey Street? 7-11 in NYC? how did this happen?
	♥ 10:57pm slugluv1313: beautiful show, Irene! SO RIGHT for this steamy Summer night!
	♥ 10:57pm Irene Trudel: coelacanth, I get "Trudeau" a lot too.
	11:03pm JakeGould: @slugluv1313: Well, it’s not just the big box stores making NYC less friendly in basic ways. If anything I will say my interactions at 7-11, Home Depot and other chains have been quite pleasant. But—for example—“foodie culture” restaurants supplanting real mom & pops is maddening. Don’t get me wrong! There’s lots of great new food in NYC nowadays, but some of these places are just staffed by a-holes who seem to have read Anthony Bourdain books and decided that it’s acceptable to be a d-bag for no reason.
	♥ 11:05pm coelacanth: my town has successfully blocked chain-businesses from coming into the heart of the village,mostly. starbucks got in somehow;but i don't really care. there are at least 6 cafe's and many more places for coffee & tea in a 1/4 square mile area and they all survive. i'd bet that one day the ordinance will be changed. someone will get paid off & we'll end up with a wendys or a cvs. for the time being,there's enough of us who care that that won't happen.
	11:05pm JakeGould: @slugluv1313: Meaning, in old NYC if you had no reason to be mean, you were nice. If someone was a jerk, so were you. Now it’s really that stereotype of entitlement I never knew before.
	11:06pm JakeGould: @coelacanth: Where is this magical place you live in? Perhaps I can be granted to passage to it one day?
	♥ 11:07pm coelacanth: you can't get here from there!
	11:07pm JakeGould: FWIW, there are so many Rite-Aids in my Bay Ridge neighborhood I can’t even. I’m waiting for the day they take over 1 whole city block: The Rite-Aid district.
	11:07pm JakeGould: @coelacanth: Where my good man?
	11:09pm KP: Coelacanth, I wish they would do something like that with Greenwich Village. It needs protecting but it's just about too late
	♥ 11:13pm slugluv1313: @JakeGould -- yes, exactly! all this weird arrogance/entitlement -- and yes, i appreciate that, for example, there are more vegan options in NYC -- but the snooty "foodie" stuff? yuck! and yeah, i wanna know where coelacanth lives too! here in Hoboken, there are THREE CVS stores, a Walgreens, and more nail salons and bars than you can count . . . and ok, i am aware of Hoboken being that town with a bar on practically every corner (think "On The Waterfront"!) but not the "frat boy" bars/clubs you have here now!
	♥ 11:13pm coelacanth: i thought you knew! new paltz. ...it's not so magical. it is better than average though. and we do have a few of those things a mile up the road- which is good,i guess. i do shop at shopright. (& there's a rite aid,a whackdonalds and a bugger king.)
	11:14pm JakeGould: @KP: Sorry to say but Greenwich Village is effectively dead. I remember the magic of exploring mom & pop stores there as a kid in the 1970s. What other place in the world would let an 11 year old kid buy copies of the underground comic “Fat Freddy’s Cat?” Or just have tons of great, true mom and pop stores. Now if I walk on Bleecker from 6th to 7th I want to vomit. It’s not just the loss of stores, but what they have been replaced with. Just chains and true tourist crap. And then past 7th Avenue? It’s just high end boutiques and not much else.
	♥ 11:15pm coelacanth: (...and the usual filler stations)
	11:16pm JakeGould: @coelacanth: I was going to say New Paltz, but I didn’t want to assume since I watched that Odd Couple episode where Felix taught Oscar about what assume means: Makes an ASS out of U and me.
	11:17pm KP: Agreed Jake. St. Marks is a disgrace as well.
	11:19pm JakeGould: @KP: Saint Marks on a Saturday night is quite a shitshow nowadays. Just frat boys and sorority girls and the shops are just crap. If it weren’t for the smattering of Japanese restaurants/bars it would be completely useless.
	♥ 11:20pm coelacanth: yeh,last few times i was in nyc i had to lament the loss of not-TOO-pretentious pubs. are there any left? this singer is very slightly Joanna Newsomish.
	11:20pm KP: Yeah 6th to 7th is bad. There's a Bleeker record store toward end but it's kind of dreary and the rest is worse
	11:20pm Listener Robert: So, Jake, you saying at 10:47 that "Sandwich Time" is an accurate represent'n?
	11:21pm JakeGould: @KP: And also Canal Street back when it was filled with hardware and surplus places. Now THAT was a great place to get hardware. Never talked down to and just amazing.
	11:23pm JakeGould: @ListenerRobert: I have no idea what the "Sandwich Time" representation is, but Jesus Moses and Mary do I hate going into Pret or any deli during real lunch hours. @coelacanth: Some normal pubs/bars still exist. But nowhere near what it used to be. I mean you know what’s nuts? McSorley’s Ale House is arguably the only bearable “go to” bar in the near East Village nowadays.
	♥ 11:23pm slugluv1313: @JakeGould and KP -- AGREED yes my first ventures into NYC (especially LES and Greenwich Village) were in the late 1970s -- TONS of record stores, book stores, and of course CBGB's, Max's, etc. . . . i think Porto RIco Coffee is still on Bleecker Street (i hope!) but so much is gone
	11:24pm KP: Jake, the NYU seizure of whole area is unforgivable. They should be cursed just for erasing the Bottom Line. That changed everything
	♥ 11:25pm Irene Trudel: Oh, how I miss those electronics shops and hardware stores on Canal Street! I found so many cool & useful gadgets/junk there.
	♥ 11:26pm Irene Trudel: Yes, Porto Rico Coffee is still on Bleeker. I often go there to buy coffee by the pound. The aroma in there is really intoxicating.
	♥ 11:28pm coelacanth: Jake that's funny but i can believe it! there was a time i lived in a certain town in nj and the best bar within 20 miles was tgi fridays! (and there were probably at least 15-18 bars within 20 miles of me)
	11:29pm JakeGould: @KP: The Bottom Line disappearing and turning into a “Violet Cafe” is just evil. They are an arts school and they pushed that place out!?!?! @IreneTrudel: The amount of sheer cool surplus stuff on Canal Street plus staff that really, really, really had knowledge that is just gone is stunning.
	♥ 11:29pm slugluv1313: Canal Street YES amazing finds there! The Bottom Line, Bleecker Street Cinema, St Marks Cinema on Second Avenue (when that closed, one day my co-worker called me -- from a pay phone! -- on her way home to share the HORROR that it had been turned into a . . . GAP!!!) @ Irene -- THANK YOU! yes INTOXICATING is exactly the right word!
	♥ 11:31pm slugluv1313: there is an Empire Coffee here in town -- similar aroma! i swear you feel different in these coffee places!
	11:31pm Listener Robert: Jake, I meant like this: www.youtube.com...
	♥ 11:32pm coelacanth: canal st. rocked! for a while it had a crazy eddie's too which was great for me at the time, though it may have signaled the beginning of the end.
	11:34pm KP: On one of my last nights at the Bottom Line, Bob Dylan and Neil Young were sitting together at the next table. Just months before that I was outside trying to eavesdrop on a conversation between Mary Travers and Paul Newman. And a college closes it.
	11:34pm JakeGould: I remember taking the train to West 4th Street as a teen, walking to West 8th Street and ALL of the shops there. And then exploring beyond West 8th Street to Saint Marks was another adventure. Now, West 8th Street between Broadway and 6th Avenue is so dead you cannot believe it. Like just empty shop after shop in a city seeing a retail boom and near NYU. @coelacanth: Crazy Eddies or Uncle Steves? Yes there is a difference and I remember that Uncle Steve’s.
	11:37pm KP: That stretch of 8th is horrendous. One failed fast food chain after another.
	♥ 11:37pm slugluv1313: omg YES! Uncle Steve's!
	♥ 11:38pm slugluv1313: yeah who would think that 8th Street would ever be "depressing"? used to be filled with such character/personality -- the shops AND the people
	♥ 11:39pm coelacanth: what was that record store on st.marks,right across the "the dojo"? you know- the one with an amazing selection,sometimes reasonable prices and staffed only by uppity assholes... i remember when that one disappeared. second coming disappeared a while before.that store was the bomb!
	11:39pm JakeGould: @KP: The replaced the Gray’s Papaya on 8th with a… Liquiteria? Who decided that, “Hey, the cheap hot dogs are gone… I know! Let’s get the $7 per cup fancy juice place in here!”
	11:40pm JakeGould: @coelacanth: Saint Mark’s Sounds? That was the last holdout since the owner of that place also owned the building. So he ran Sounds until he got bored with it.
	11:41pm KP: Zero 7 is adding up
	♥ 11:41pm coelacanth: i remember uncle steve's. 'never could get what i wanted there. there was also either a crazy eddie's or maybe it was a drucker wholesales.
	11:41pm JakeGould: @coelacanth: This place, right? gothamist.com...
	11:42pm JakeGould: What about “Emotionally Retarded Larry’s?” Now THAT was a store!
	♥ 11:43pm coelacanth: No,but Yes! st.mark sounds was my other favorite! i forgot about it just now. there was another one a few doors up or down from 'sounds.
	♥ 11:43pm slugluv1313: Trash and Vaudeville is moving off St. Marks Place too (or already has)
	♥ 11:43pm slugluv1313: Venus Records?
	♥ 11:45pm coelacanth: slugluv for the win!!
	11:45pm JakeGould: @slugluv1313: I think Venus Records is the place. Staff were always jerks. But they had a garage music guy downstairs that was really, really, really knowledgable. @coelacanth: The thing about Saint Mark’s Sounds is EVERYTHING was a promo copy. It’s like that place was where everyone would sell their promo CDs for cash in that “payola not payola” sense.
	11:47pm KP: I walked by Sounds other day and it looked open. Couldn't stop but could see in window and it appeared to be stocked
	♥ 11:47pm slugluv1313: i used to go to all those shops too . . . not to mention the thrift shops that used to be on St. Marks! i think one was called "The Late Show"? and of course Manic Panic and Defiant Pose
	11:48pm JakeGould: @KP: Odd. Maybe the owner decided to stay open?
	♥ 11:48pm slugluv1313: and yes! Venus Records' staff could be pretty hideous -- but i interacted with them as little as possible
	♥ 11:48pm coelacanth: i remember venus getting more and more expensive,until i wouldn't buy anything,except...they had very cheap cassettes-always. yes,that's right Jake! i've got hundreds of cut-outs from 'sound!
	11:49pm JakeGould: @slugluv1313: Yeah you went there during the prime days of that street. I didn’t thrift back then, but went to Flip! on West 8th, Unique on Broadway and Canal Jeans back when they were on Canal Street… And then on Broadway… Those places had pretty awesome clothing cutouts.
	♥ 11:49pm coelacanth: (...s!)
	11:50pm JakeGould: FWIW, I have a funny feeling at least one person who worked for Venus Records—or at least knew folks there—has a WFMU connection. It just seems like I remember someone mentioning Venus Records once.
	11:51pm JakeGould: @coelacanth: “yes,that's right Jake! i've got hundreds of cut-outs from 'sounds!” You and me both helped keep the “DJ promo copies by the case to cash” economy going.
	11:52pm JakeGould: Okay, I am gone. Goodnight folks! And thank you Irene for letting us folks ramble. And also having Johanna Warren on the show!
	♥ 11:53pm coelacanth: it used to piss me off that 'sounds always put a 2" round sticker on the albums that was never NEVER coming off- seemingly aiming for a key spot to the integrity of the album art.
	11:53pm KP: The used cd trend bugged me. I stayed away
	♥ 11:53pm slugluv1313: i also used to work at the Tower stores -- bookstore, then the outlet --- somehow Other Music has managed to survive @JakeGould -- a bunch of us thought that Flip! opening was the beginning of the end of 8th Street! (trying to remember what was there before) -- but like one of the first "large" stores on 8th Street! . . . but yeah i used to go to Unique, Canal Jeans, etc. too
	♥ 11:54pm coelacanth: Jake,you're probably gone- but i think that's true! (and that person was not civil)
	♥ 11:55pm coelacanth: (yes i remember who.)
	11:56pm KP: Other is awesome. Convenient to me. But when I moved here Kim's was practically next door
	♥ 11:56pm coelacanth: 'night Jake.
	♥ 11:57pm slugluv1313: goodnight, Jake!
	11:57pm KP: See ya all. Good night, Irene
	♥ 11:58pm coelacanth: goodnight KP!
	♥ 11:58pm Irene Trudel: G'nite all! Thanks for all the old NYC memories, and of course, for listening in.
	♥ 12:00am coelacanth: Thank you Irene. 'twas Lovely! g'night slugluv! 'night folks!
	♥ 12:04am slugluv1313: goodnight Irene! thank you for a lovely show! goodnight coelacanth, KP, everyone!
	12:30pm Van in DC: My turn!
	1:13pm Van in DC: Wow! When the first Johanna Warren song first came on, I immediately thought, "Is this Marissa Nadler with Dead City Emily?" ha ha
	1:43pm Van in DC: Awsome that Johanna is influenced a lot by Linda Perhacs
	🥁 ♥ 8:46pm Sean in Boise, ID: Great show, Irene and a lovely set from Johanna Warren
	10:22am Van in DC: Back for more! Look forward to the live Goddess set next week!
	11:14am Van in DC: Oh, and for any other Yo La Tango fans in the DC area who happen to see this - they are in DC at the 9:30 club on 9/25

Irene Trudel: Playlist from September 8, 2015

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September 8, 2015: Falling into the Moon, with Johanna Warren

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Format	Approx. start time
Jade Warrior	Moontears / Heaven Stone	Elements: The Island Anthology (Way of the Sun)	Island
Efterklang	The Ghost "The Ghost" by "Efterklang"	Piramida	4AD		0:09:06 (Pop-up)
Yo La Tengo	Awhileaway "Awhileaway" by "Yo La Tengo"	Stuff Like That There	Matador		0:13:29 (Pop-up)
Ana Egge	Maps of the Moon "Maps of the Moon" by "Ana Egge"	Bright Shadow			0:17:27 (Pop-up)
Kitchen Cynics Drone Trio	The Parting Glass	Venus On a Buckle	Enfant Terrible		0:20:37 (Pop-up)
Elliott Smith	Easy Way Out "Easy Way Out" by "Elliott Smith"	Figure 8	Dreamworks		0:25:13 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: R. Carlos Nakai	Shaman's Call / Canyon Reverie / In Media Res / Gateway	Earth Spirit			0:28:45 (Pop-up)
Live performance and chat with Johanna Warren
Leaning heavily on mysteries of nature and the moon, Johanna Warren creates music as lovely as her multi-octave voice. Warren writes simply and deep, using minimalist percussion and flute to embellish her emotional unravelings in song. Johanna Warren's second solo is titled "nūmūn" in tribute to the celestial body, and she played some of those songs live on Irene's show.
Johanna Warren	My Storm "My Storm" by "Johanna Warren"	Fates	(Johanna Warren)	CD	0:35:57 (Pop-up)
Johanna Warren	Figure 8 "Figure 8" by "Johanna Warren"				0:40:12 (Pop-up)
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Johanna Warren	This is Why "This is Why" by "Johanna Warren"				0:48:57 (Pop-up)
Johanna Warren	True Colors "True Colors" by "Johanna Warren"				1:00:27 (Pop-up)
""
Johanna Warren	Found I Lost "Found I Lost" by "Johanna Warren"				1:12:13 (Pop-up)
Johanna Warren	The Wheel "The Wheel" by "Johanna Warren"				1:24:15 (Pop-up)
""
Johanna Warren	Less Traveled "Less Traveled" by "Johanna Warren"	Nūmūn	Team Love Records	CD	1:28:51 (Pop-up)
Johanna Warren	Noise "Noise" by "Johanna Warren"	Nūmūn	Team Love Records	CD	1:33:03 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: R. Carlos Nakai	"R. Carlos Nakai"				1:37:57 (Pop-up)
Linda Perhacs	Dolphin "Dolphin" by "Linda Perhacs"	Parallelograms	Kapp Records		1:43:17 (Pop-up)
Nick Drake	Day is Done "Day is Done" by "Nick Drake"	Five Leaves Left	Hannibal Records		1:46:11 (Pop-up)
Nick Garrie	Love in My Eyes "Love in My Eyes" by "Nick Garrie"	The Lost Songs of Nick Garrie-Hamilton	Rev-Ola		1:48:54 (Pop-up)
Lisa Gerard	The Rite "The Rite" by "Lisa Gerard"	The Mirror Pool			1:52:15 (Pop-up)
Goddess	Paradise "Paradise" by "Goddess"	Paradise			1:55:31 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: R. Carlos Nakai	"R. Carlos Nakai"				2:00:10 (Pop-up)
Mark Lanegan	Sunrise "Sunrise" by "Mark Lanegan"	Has God Seen My Shadow? An Anthology 1989-2011			2:08:16 (Pop-up)
Spaghetti Eastern Music	Time For Letting Go	Sketches of Spam	Bad Egg		2:11:10 (Pop-up)
Rachel Unthank & the Winterset	I Wish, I Wish	The Bairns			2:16:32 (Pop-up)
Andrew Bird	Dissent "Dissent" by "Andrew Bird"	Useless Creatures			2:22:53 (Pop-up)
Patrick Watson	Know That You Know	Love Songs for Robots			2:26:44 (Pop-up)
Zero 7	Morning Song "Morning Song" by "Zero 7"	When it Falls			2:34:00 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: R. Carlos Nakai	"R. Carlos Nakai"				2:40:39 (Pop-up)
Joan Shelley	Wine and Honey "Wine and Honey" by "Joan Shelley"	Over and Even	No Quarter		2:48:39 (Pop-up)
Meg Baird	Past Houses "Past Houses" by "Meg Baird"	Don't Weigh Down the Light	Drag City		2:51:17 (Pop-up)
Flo Morrissey	I Only Like His Hat, Not Him	Tomorrow Will Be Beautiful	Glassnote		2:56:13 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:05pm Andrew: More Jade Warrior. Thank you, Irene.
	♥ 9:11pm slugluv1313: hi Irene! YES! what Andrew said :)
	9:12pm V Priceless: Hey Irene - digging this Warrior!
	♥ 9:13pm Irene Trudel: Hi Andrew, slugluv and V Priceless! Glad you're liking the tunes tonight.
	9:16pm martha: me too :-)
	♥ 9:21pm Irene Trudel: HI Martha! Glad to have you here too.
	♥ 9:23pm Bronwyn Bishop: Damn, just missed Yo La Tengo...
	♥ 9:26pm Bronwyn Bishop: But I'm here just in time for Elliott Smith, yay!
	9:27pm JakeGould: Hello Andrew, slugluv1313, V Priceless, Martha, Bronwyn Smeltfish and Irene!
	♥ 9:28pm Irene Trudel: Lots of good stuff tonight, Bronwyn. Sorry you missed Yo La Tengo, but I'll be playing more of it in the future.
	♥ 9:29pm Bronwyn Bishop: Hi Jake! And it's ok Irene, I'm excited to hear whatever you have planned for tonight :)
	9:30pm JakeGould: Last blast of summer indeed. Cools down the rest of the week. So nasty in NYC/NJ right now.
	🥁 ♥ 9:37pm Summer and Michael: Love!
	♥ 9:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: Good evening, fine WFMU citizens. Just in case you were wondering, it's also hot & humid here north of New York City.
	9:56pm JakeGould: @KenFromHydePark: It’s just so bad. I mean we need rain.
	♥ 10:09pm exiledinbk: Who is she? That they're talking about?
	10:11pm Listener Robert: Her name was mentioned so softly, maybe we'll have to pick it up on archive.
	♥ 10:12pm coelacanth: olá Irene and all youz
	♥ 10:12pm slugluv1313: Linda Perhacs! of "Parallelograms" fame <3
	10:14pm Listener Robert: Thanks, slug.
	♥ 10:17pm Irene Trudel: Yes, slugluv, lovely Linda Perhacs. Parallelograms is one of my all-time top 5 albums. And as we talked about, she's a big influence on Johanna Warren.
	♥ 10:20pm slugluv1313: anytime, Listener Robert! please do check out Linda Perhacs when you have the chance! i grew up in rural/suburban NJ -- "Parallelograms" was HUGE on (mostly) late night WNEW-FM in the 1970s -- but i could not track down her album ANYWHERE! so, i too became somewhat obsessed over the years, and was happy to hear that not only was Linda Perhacs still alive but also still writing, singing, and recording!
	10:22pm JakeGould: Pretty amazing that archaic sexism still exists in radio nowadays. Also, people who are “gearheads” have no clue what they are doing. It’s like guys at Guitar Center who just noodle around all day but have never created anything. Or even guys at photo stores… Crap, do I hate going top photo gear stores.
	10:22pm Ice in Brooklynth: Thanks for playing easy way out es
	♥ 10:23pm coelacanth: i (as a dude) think i engineer more like a woman....but i'm definitely guilty of being distracted by a beautiful voice! (if that is in fact a "man" thing. [which is a sexist generalisation; and i know females who also get distracted by a beautiful voice.])
	10:23pm Ice in Brooklynth: I've been boring holes lately
	♥ 10:26pm Irene Trudel: slugluv, sounds like my experience with the album. WNEW-FM played Parallelograms a lot, and I finally found Linda's LP in the 80's. And, yeah, Jake, there is less sexism but it does persist. I'd rather get the music out there rather than talk about how I'm going to do it-- although I'm guilty of that in this interview a bit tonight. She just got me in a comfortable groove talking about my experiences and hers.
	10:28pm JakeGould: Also hardware stores. I’m a guy, but I don’t look like a contractor so there is a good chance I will get treated like a dolt. But that said, hardware stores are a tad better to be a “non pro” in nowadays.
	♥ 10:28pm coelacanth: i really like this.
	10:28pm Ice in Brooklynth: This is beautiful
	10:30pm jon: nice set johanna. beautiful sound
	10:32pm JakeGould: @IreneTrudel: This might be a slight tangent, but I work mainly in the tech world and was talking to an old co-worker I ran into—who quit the tech world—about how horrible “dude-bro” culture is in that world. We’re both guys, we both know what we are doing, but the level of toxic “What do you know??!?!” nonsense there is stunning. You would think a relatively new field like that would be less sexist, but it’s just nutty how “old school” some tech start-ups are.
	♥ 10:32pm Irene Trudel: Thanks everyone! Glad I could turn you all on to Johanna's lovely music.
	♥ 10:33pm coelacanth: Jake- i'm lucky i guess. my local hardware store appears completely un-sexist. there are 2 strong women [you know i don't mean strong physically,necessarily] who work there and even the young part-timers who work the register seem to get treated with respect and no condescension.
	10:33pm JakeGould: And… On topic… Johanna Warren is quite nice this last-ish day of summer heat… johannawarren.bandcamp.com
	10:35pm JakeGould: @coelacanth: You are upstate right? Small towns are actually more open-minded I find that NYC is when it comes to hardware store knowledge/culture. More in tune with the fact that smaller areas need better long term relationships with folks.
	♥ 10:36pm coelacanth: Johanna was excellent! i'll come back for the first 4 that i missed.
	♥ 10:37pm Irene Trudel: Jake, I'm lucky in that I finally work at a place that treats me as an equal when it comes to the technical side. And we all discuss new tech and things that might help improve our work tools and such. Mostly sexism comes from people outside our organization, and I just brush it off now. I can't speak to tech startups because I've no experience there.
	10:38pm Peter K.: Johanna Warren's music is extraordinary, the interview was one of the best you've ever done, and the Mets just came from six runs behind to win, 8-7. It's a great night!
	10:38pm Andrew: Johanna's voice is a bit musical even when she is only talking. Enjoyed hearing her.
	♥ 10:40pm slugluv1313: i LOVE the kinda "old school" hardware stores here in Hoboken -- sadly, two have closed -- but always super helpful and informative, and i have NEVER been treated in that condescending/sexist "oh you poor little helpless female" kinda way -- but then again, it is not like i ever have this "cutesy" "damsel in distress" kinda demeanor either
	♥ 10:40pm coelacanth: that's interesting Jake. i don't think most people would guess that...and if i'd thought about it more, [i would've thought A LOT about it if the environment offended me with sexism or employee belittling!] -i might've decided it's 'cause i live in a decidedly "progressive" community, which it is.
	♥ 10:42pm slugluv1313: YES Johanna's music and voice are positively ENCHANTING! fascinating interview too!
	10:44pm KP: Hello Irene!
	♥ 10:45pm Irene Trudel: Thanks a lot, Peter! And thanks for the Mets Update. Glad to see they didn't collapse.
	♥ 10:47pm slugluv1313: @ Irene -- ahhh Allison Steele "The Night Bird"? :) i was never able to find Linda Perhacs' LP -- jealous!
	♥ 10:47pm coelacanth: actually, Johanna's speaking voice distracted me! ...but, beautiful though it may be,it was because she sounded uncannily like someone i know.(& cannot think of who)
	10:47pm JakeGould: @IreneTrudel: Tech startups are another issue. But yeah, I understand in general. @slugluv1313: FWIW, I find the mentality of store owners—and maybe just people—in Hoboken and Jersey City to me much more “human” and easy to deal with than NYC. NYC nowadays is far more competitive than it should be even by NYC standards. And when I mean competitive I don’t mean “workplace” competitiveness, but just daily experience competitiveness. Buying a sandwich at a Pret-A-Manger form noon-2:00pm can give me hives.
	♥ 10:48pm Irene Trudel: Hi KP! Oh, slugluv, you're making me blush! Allison was a big influence on me.
	10:49pm KP: Liz Berg was already preceding Brian on Tuesdays, Irene. The big one is Joe/Joe Mondays
	10:49pm Listener Robert: Don't be so sorry re name pronunciation consider all the people who must read your name to sound like "strudel" w/o the "s".
	10:51pm JakeGould: @KP: Yeah, Imaginary Radio moves to Thursday and Joe McGasko is on Monday and then Dan Bodah has a new 1 hour long show on Mondays
	10:52pm KP: I think there's still a lot of Nick Drake stuff in vaults.
	♥ 10:52pm coelacanth: still no Sue P. (sad &/or pissed face emoticon)
	♥ 10:54pm Irene Trudel: KP, you're right! Just had a senior moment with Liz on that one. Listener Robert, yes I do get "Strudel" a lot. One of my brothers wanted to add an extra "L" to his name legally because it annoyed him so much-- until he went to Montreal and found there's lots of Trudels up there (pronounced correctly too.)
	♥ 10:56pm coelacanth: i never thought "strudel"; but i used to think "Trudeau"!
	♥ 10:56pm slugluv1313: @JakeGould -- i know what you mean! NYC USED to be "friendlier" -- more "Mom & Pop" shops i guess -- but now all those big box stores, the suburban stores . . . Starbucks on Delancey Street? 7-11 in NYC? how did this happen?
	♥ 10:57pm slugluv1313: beautiful show, Irene! SO RIGHT for this steamy Summer night!
	♥ 10:57pm Irene Trudel: coelacanth, I get "Trudeau" a lot too.
	11:03pm JakeGould: @slugluv1313: Well, it’s not just the big box stores making NYC less friendly in basic ways. If anything I will say my interactions at 7-11, Home Depot and other chains have been quite pleasant. But—for example—“foodie culture” restaurants supplanting real mom & pops is maddening. Don’t get me wrong! There’s lots of great new food in NYC nowadays, but some of these places are just staffed by a-holes who seem to have read Anthony Bourdain books and decided that it’s acceptable to be a d-bag for no reason.
	♥ 11:05pm coelacanth: my town has successfully blocked chain-businesses from coming into the heart of the village,mostly. starbucks got in somehow;but i don't really care. there are at least 6 cafe's and many more places for coffee & tea in a 1/4 square mile area and they all survive. i'd bet that one day the ordinance will be changed. someone will get paid off & we'll end up with a wendys or a cvs. for the time being,there's enough of us who care that that won't happen.
	11:05pm JakeGould: @slugluv1313: Meaning, in old NYC if you had no reason to be mean, you were nice. If someone was a jerk, so were you. Now it’s really that stereotype of entitlement I never knew before.
	11:06pm JakeGould: @coelacanth: Where is this magical place you live in? Perhaps I can be granted to passage to it one day?
	♥ 11:07pm coelacanth: you can't get here from there!
	11:07pm JakeGould: FWIW, there are so many Rite-Aids in my Bay Ridge neighborhood I can’t even. I’m waiting for the day they take over 1 whole city block: The Rite-Aid district.
	11:07pm JakeGould: @coelacanth: Where my good man?
	11:09pm KP: Coelacanth, I wish they would do something like that with Greenwich Village. It needs protecting but it's just about too late
	♥ 11:13pm slugluv1313: @JakeGould -- yes, exactly! all this weird arrogance/entitlement -- and yes, i appreciate that, for example, there are more vegan options in NYC -- but the snooty "foodie" stuff? yuck! and yeah, i wanna know where coelacanth lives too! here in Hoboken, there are THREE CVS stores, a Walgreens, and more nail salons and bars than you can count . . . and ok, i am aware of Hoboken being that town with a bar on practically every corner (think "On The Waterfront"!) but not the "frat boy" bars/clubs you have here now!
	♥ 11:13pm coelacanth: i thought you knew! new paltz. ...it's not so magical. it is better than average though. and we do have a few of those things a mile up the road- which is good,i guess. i do shop at shopright. (& there's a rite aid,a whackdonalds and a bugger king.)
	11:14pm JakeGould: @KP: Sorry to say but Greenwich Village is effectively dead. I remember the magic of exploring mom & pop stores there as a kid in the 1970s. What other place in the world would let an 11 year old kid buy copies of the underground comic “Fat Freddy’s Cat?” Or just have tons of great, true mom and pop stores. Now if I walk on Bleecker from 6th to 7th I want to vomit. It’s not just the loss of stores, but what they have been replaced with. Just chains and true tourist crap. And then past 7th Avenue? It’s just high end boutiques and not much else.
	♥ 11:15pm coelacanth: (...and the usual filler stations)
	11:16pm JakeGould: @coelacanth: I was going to say New Paltz, but I didn’t want to assume since I watched that Odd Couple episode where Felix taught Oscar about what assume means: Makes an ASS out of U and me.
	11:17pm KP: Agreed Jake. St. Marks is a disgrace as well.
	11:19pm JakeGould: @KP: Saint Marks on a Saturday night is quite a shitshow nowadays. Just frat boys and sorority girls and the shops are just crap. If it weren’t for the smattering of Japanese restaurants/bars it would be completely useless.
	♥ 11:20pm coelacanth: yeh,last few times i was in nyc i had to lament the loss of not-TOO-pretentious pubs. are there any left? this singer is very slightly Joanna Newsomish.
	11:20pm KP: Yeah 6th to 7th is bad. There's a Bleeker record store toward end but it's kind of dreary and the rest is worse
	11:20pm Listener Robert: So, Jake, you saying at 10:47 that "Sandwich Time" is an accurate represent'n?
	11:21pm JakeGould: @KP: And also Canal Street back when it was filled with hardware and surplus places. Now THAT was a great place to get hardware. Never talked down to and just amazing.
	11:23pm JakeGould: @ListenerRobert: I have no idea what the "Sandwich Time" representation is, but Jesus Moses and Mary do I hate going into Pret or any deli during real lunch hours. @coelacanth: Some normal pubs/bars still exist. But nowhere near what it used to be. I mean you know what’s nuts? McSorley’s Ale House is arguably the only bearable “go to” bar in the near East Village nowadays.
	♥ 11:23pm slugluv1313: @JakeGould and KP -- AGREED yes my first ventures into NYC (especially LES and Greenwich Village) were in the late 1970s -- TONS of record stores, book stores, and of course CBGB's, Max's, etc. . . . i think Porto RIco Coffee is still on Bleecker Street (i hope!) but so much is gone
	11:24pm KP: Jake, the NYU seizure of whole area is unforgivable. They should be cursed just for erasing the Bottom Line. That changed everything
	♥ 11:25pm Irene Trudel: Oh, how I miss those electronics shops and hardware stores on Canal Street! I found so many cool & useful gadgets/junk there.
	♥ 11:26pm Irene Trudel: Yes, Porto Rico Coffee is still on Bleeker. I often go there to buy coffee by the pound. The aroma in there is really intoxicating.
	♥ 11:28pm coelacanth: Jake that's funny but i can believe it! there was a time i lived in a certain town in nj and the best bar within 20 miles was tgi fridays! (and there were probably at least 15-18 bars within 20 miles of me)
	11:29pm JakeGould: @KP: The Bottom Line disappearing and turning into a “Violet Cafe” is just evil. They are an arts school and they pushed that place out!?!?! @IreneTrudel: The amount of sheer cool surplus stuff on Canal Street plus staff that really, really, really had knowledge that is just gone is stunning.
	♥ 11:29pm slugluv1313: Canal Street YES amazing finds there! The Bottom Line, Bleecker Street Cinema, St Marks Cinema on Second Avenue (when that closed, one day my co-worker called me -- from a pay phone! -- on her way home to share the HORROR that it had been turned into a . . . GAP!!!) @ Irene -- THANK YOU! yes INTOXICATING is exactly the right word!
	♥ 11:31pm slugluv1313: there is an Empire Coffee here in town -- similar aroma! i swear you feel different in these coffee places!
	11:31pm Listener Robert: Jake, I meant like this: www.youtube.com...
	♥ 11:32pm coelacanth: canal st. rocked! for a while it had a crazy eddie's too which was great for me at the time, though it may have signaled the beginning of the end.
	11:34pm KP: On one of my last nights at the Bottom Line, Bob Dylan and Neil Young were sitting together at the next table. Just months before that I was outside trying to eavesdrop on a conversation between Mary Travers and Paul Newman. And a college closes it.
	11:34pm JakeGould: I remember taking the train to West 4th Street as a teen, walking to West 8th Street and ALL of the shops there. And then exploring beyond West 8th Street to Saint Marks was another adventure. Now, West 8th Street between Broadway and 6th Avenue is so dead you cannot believe it. Like just empty shop after shop in a city seeing a retail boom and near NYU. @coelacanth: Crazy Eddies or Uncle Steves? Yes there is a difference and I remember that Uncle Steve’s.
	11:37pm KP: That stretch of 8th is horrendous. One failed fast food chain after another.
	♥ 11:37pm slugluv1313: omg YES! Uncle Steve's!
	♥ 11:38pm slugluv1313: yeah who would think that 8th Street would ever be "depressing"? used to be filled with such character/personality -- the shops AND the people
	♥ 11:39pm coelacanth: what was that record store on st.marks,right across the "the dojo"? you know- the one with an amazing selection,sometimes reasonable prices and staffed only by uppity assholes... i remember when that one disappeared. second coming disappeared a while before.that store was the bomb!
	11:39pm JakeGould: @KP: The replaced the Gray’s Papaya on 8th with a… Liquiteria? Who decided that, “Hey, the cheap hot dogs are gone… I know! Let’s get the $7 per cup fancy juice place in here!”
	11:40pm JakeGould: @coelacanth: Saint Mark’s Sounds? That was the last holdout since the owner of that place also owned the building. So he ran Sounds until he got bored with it.
	11:41pm KP: Zero 7 is adding up
	♥ 11:41pm coelacanth: i remember uncle steve's. 'never could get what i wanted there. there was also either a crazy eddie's or maybe it was a drucker wholesales.
	11:41pm JakeGould: @coelacanth: This place, right? gothamist.com...
	11:42pm JakeGould: What about “Emotionally Retarded Larry’s?” Now THAT was a store!
	♥ 11:43pm coelacanth: No,but Yes! st.mark sounds was my other favorite! i forgot about it just now. there was another one a few doors up or down from 'sounds.
	♥ 11:43pm slugluv1313: Trash and Vaudeville is moving off St. Marks Place too (or already has)
	♥ 11:43pm slugluv1313: Venus Records?
	♥ 11:45pm coelacanth: slugluv for the win!!
	11:45pm JakeGould: @slugluv1313: I think Venus Records is the place. Staff were always jerks. But they had a garage music guy downstairs that was really, really, really knowledgable. @coelacanth: The thing about Saint Mark’s Sounds is EVERYTHING was a promo copy. It’s like that place was where everyone would sell their promo CDs for cash in that “payola not payola” sense.
	11:47pm KP: I walked by Sounds other day and it looked open. Couldn't stop but could see in window and it appeared to be stocked
	♥ 11:47pm slugluv1313: i used to go to all those shops too . . . not to mention the thrift shops that used to be on St. Marks! i think one was called "The Late Show"? and of course Manic Panic and Defiant Pose
	11:48pm JakeGould: @KP: Odd. Maybe the owner decided to stay open?
	♥ 11:48pm slugluv1313: and yes! Venus Records' staff could be pretty hideous -- but i interacted with them as little as possible
	♥ 11:48pm coelacanth: i remember venus getting more and more expensive,until i wouldn't buy anything,except...they had very cheap cassettes-always. yes,that's right Jake! i've got hundreds of cut-outs from 'sound!
	11:49pm JakeGould: @slugluv1313: Yeah you went there during the prime days of that street. I didn’t thrift back then, but went to Flip! on West 8th, Unique on Broadway and Canal Jeans back when they were on Canal Street… And then on Broadway… Those places had pretty awesome clothing cutouts.
	♥ 11:49pm coelacanth: (...s!)
	11:50pm JakeGould: FWIW, I have a funny feeling at least one person who worked for Venus Records—or at least knew folks there—has a WFMU connection. It just seems like I remember someone mentioning Venus Records once.
	11:51pm JakeGould: @coelacanth: “yes,that's right Jake! i've got hundreds of cut-outs from 'sounds!” You and me both helped keep the “DJ promo copies by the case to cash” economy going.
	11:52pm JakeGould: Okay, I am gone. Goodnight folks! And thank you Irene for letting us folks ramble. And also having Johanna Warren on the show!
	♥ 11:53pm coelacanth: it used to piss me off that 'sounds always put a 2" round sticker on the albums that was never NEVER coming off- seemingly aiming for a key spot to the integrity of the album art.
	11:53pm KP: The used cd trend bugged me. I stayed away
	♥ 11:53pm slugluv1313: i also used to work at the Tower stores -- bookstore, then the outlet --- somehow Other Music has managed to survive @JakeGould -- a bunch of us thought that Flip! opening was the beginning of the end of 8th Street! (trying to remember what was there before) -- but like one of the first "large" stores on 8th Street! . . . but yeah i used to go to Unique, Canal Jeans, etc. too
	♥ 11:54pm coelacanth: Jake,you're probably gone- but i think that's true! (and that person was not civil)
	♥ 11:55pm coelacanth: (yes i remember who.)
	11:56pm KP: Other is awesome. Convenient to me. But when I moved here Kim's was practically next door
	♥ 11:56pm coelacanth: 'night Jake.
	♥ 11:57pm slugluv1313: goodnight, Jake!
	11:57pm KP: See ya all. Good night, Irene
	♥ 11:58pm coelacanth: goodnight KP!
	♥ 11:58pm Irene Trudel: G'nite all! Thanks for all the old NYC memories, and of course, for listening in.
	♥ 12:00am coelacanth: Thank you Irene. 'twas Lovely! g'night slugluv! 'night folks!
	♥ 12:04am slugluv1313: goodnight Irene! thank you for a lovely show! goodnight coelacanth, KP, everyone!
	12:30pm Van in DC: My turn!
	1:13pm Van in DC: Wow! When the first Johanna Warren song first came on, I immediately thought, "Is this Marissa Nadler with Dead City Emily?" ha ha
	1:43pm Van in DC: Awsome that Johanna is influenced a lot by Linda Perhacs
	🥁 ♥ 8:46pm Sean in Boise, ID: Great show, Irene and a lovely set from Johanna Warren
	10:22am Van in DC: Back for more! Look forward to the live Goddess set next week!
	11:14am Van in DC: Oh, and for any other Yo La Tango fans in the DC area who happen to see this - they are in DC at the 9:30 club on 9/25

Irene Trudel: Playlist from September 8, 2015

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