WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 25, 2018

Listener comments!
	6:00pm Phil with the phone: first
	6:01pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all! That ... is a direct subtitle on that book there.
	6:01pm βrian: Damn, I've finally made this show. Love it. (But the theme music? meh.)
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark & Techtonicals!
	6:02pm ultradamno: Hello Tonichies!
	6:03pm Michael 98145: ( patents for a Facebook sex-bot? )
	6:06pm βrian: "Trust us!"
	6:06pm Fredericks: On iTunes I subscribed to Techtonic, but it is hosted by someone else.
	6:07pm βrian: My recorded facial expressions are remarkably similar to that of a post-it note.
	🤖 6:07pm Folsom: I still don't trust the new web player, I only use the mp3 stream. I need to email Ken to see how much tracking is done with the web player.
	6:08pm ultradamno: Speaking of The Onion has anyone been following their Facebook satire series Onion Social?
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and Techtonarians!
	6:09pm northguineahills: Most people's address is public record.
	6:10pm ultradamno: www.theonion.com...
	6:11pm geezerette: Techtoenails. :D :(
	6:11pm dale: seems like a lot of this brain power could go toward curing cancer instead of just selling stuff.
	6:11pm Tom from Maplewood: Rule number one. Disable location on your phone.
	6:12pm Michael 98145: good point, @dale. medical science rather than data science.
	6:15pm βrian: The Onion used to be our hometown rag.
	6:15pm geezerette: @Dale:@Michael, yep!
	6:15pm listener james from westwood: lol @ Mark's Zuck voice!
	6:17pm Buffalo's Tom: Oh my Christ, FB would make for the saddest bar ever.
	6:18pm chris: i lol'd at the facebook bar video. nicely done, guys. hi, Mark and techtonites
	6:18pm βrian: Are there ferns in that FB bar?
	6:20pm Buffalo's Tom: Brian, I'm thinking maybe corpse flowers...
	6:21pm Michael 98145: "Feed Me," said the FB bar blooms.
	6:22pm Buffalo's Tom: Feed me, Sharemore!
	6:23pm listener james from westwood: Anyone remember the old Chappelle bit where he's navigating the internet as though it were a physical space?
	6:24pm βrian: @LJames: Reminds me of MUDS.
	6:26pm ultradamno: @listenerjames Yeah, pretty much the same idea for a somewhat less sinister time.
	🤖 6:26pm Ken From Hyde Park: ljfw - Of course! www.cc.com...
	6:27pm geezerette: Music does too...
	6:27pm listener james from westwood: βrian: ooh, those go back!
	6:29pm βrian: (That was terminal-based engagement.)
	🤖 6:31pm Bas NL: Beware! There are some horrible books in libraries!
	6:32pm βrian: Now, Melania could've had "Resist The Garbage" on her jacket. But she didn't.
	6:34pm Neckbard: "We" need to build these institutions? We built them, and right-wing libertarians have steamrolled "us" at every turn. I would never, ever vote for the defunding of a library or a school. Yet still it happens. Do you think this has anything to do with the fact that I'm a wage slave, and the Kochs et al. are not?
	6:35pm βrian: The arc of FaceBook bends toward inju$tice.
	6:36pm northguineahills: I have my bros. send me their surfeit of pics of my nieces via text....
	6:36pm geezerette: "Double-think"
	6:36pm hoeg: Aloha techtons :D
	6:39pm geezerette: This author is deeply conflicted.
	6:40pm βrian: If only one could delete one's account 50,000 times per day!
	6:40pm JakeGould: I love what this guy is explaining! The reality is a lot of the “screen time”” debate is (honestly) a first world problem. Homeless people use social media to keep connected. I know that the death of the old Internet is sad, but I am not too sure discarding social media will bring that back.
	6:41pm joe mulligan: LTV of an American FB user is way more than one in India, and US MAUs need to keep trending up; one person may not be much but a drop in the chart makes a big differencce
	6:42pm JakeGould: Also, as far as recycling goes… It’s admirable in some ways but is entirely hypocritical in other ways. How many “reusable” bags are not reused and just discarded each day? I believe the death we are experiencing nowadays is the death of the local in favor of the global. No social media network is good for local stuff. It’s all on large scale.
	6:43pm joe mulligan: i.e. "Twitter Quitters" was a huge MAUs problem just a few years ago and problematic... until the likes of Trump and other celebrities boosted engagment
	6:43pm dale: i remember when a midtown office i worked in put two garbage baskets in every office, one for recycling. first time i worked late the cleaning staff came in and dumped both baskets in the same bin. what a sham!
	6:44pm JakeGould: Twitter is such bullshit because you can fake accounts so easily. I mean there are businesses out there that hook you up with fake followers? If these networks really worked THAT would not be possible.
	6:44pm melinda: Good point about people being de-politicized and thinking solely as individual consumers.
	6:45pm joe mulligan: @jake, yes! that's why the monthly active users is the metric analysts use
	6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I hear the recycling centers are overwhelmed - even should it get there...not a social priority... As pointed out w/ this Program - our Data should have been OURS in the 1st place...
	6:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: They are the Corporations - too large to address us m- while demanding to know everything about us...& no one is ever Accountable for the slightest thing now...
	6:47pm JakeGould: Paper bag recycling is kinda bullshit. And most clothes recycling ends up in Africa. We’re pushing the squalor elsewhere.
	🤖 6:49pm Ken From Hyde Park: China doesn't want your recycled plastic, either. news.vice.com...
	6:50pm Neckbard: The author said the most vexing thing is that Facebook isn't even something members "consume." So that's kind of it, isn't it? The claim should put paid to the notion that you can find new access to political power through your "lifestyle choices" and "shopping dollar."
	6:50pm dale: i like to play words with friends on fb. main reason i stay there.
	6:50pm ultradamno: www.cnbc.com...
	6:50pm geezerette: The Los Angeles Times has just been bought by a disruptor who wants to rename it California Times.
	6:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Terence McKenna observed prob. more than 20 years ago that the NationState is an idea from another century. W/ the fall of Communism - the way was cleared for the corporations & technicians to take over - & all the IQ talent went there - not into Government - which has been filled by morons & buffoons...Capitalism is utterly unchecked...
	6:52pm Fredericks: Didn't IBM have profitable relationship with Nazi Germany?
	6:52pm Neckbard: @Revolution Rabbit News: Do you have a source for that? I'd really like to check it out.
	6:52pm Buffalo's Tom: Re: recycling, I think the solution is making serious reuse a priority instead of just throwing up our hands. I do appreciate the allure of despair these days though...in fact, give me five minutes.
	6:53pm melinda: I think the comparison to recycling and environmental action is useful. We can't change the system solely with individual consumer choices, but making those individual choices (recycling, composting, quitting facebook, whatever) serves as an important example of the change we'd like to see. Symbolism matters even if it isn't a game changer.
	6:54pm Vanessa B: hi techtons! I am contemplating deleting. in the meantime, I moved the app off my home screen and turned badges and notifications. I check it much less. I never really posted much but there are some photos I'd like to download.
	6:54pm geezerette: Never had a facebook account. Could not bring myself to do it, didn't like its invasiveness. Our tracks are all over FMU however.
	6:54pm dale: is this guy a shut up weirdo caller too?
	6:54pm βrian: @BT: Yep, reusing at home. Don't send it away to be re-used.
	6:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Neckbard: Loads on McKenna on Psychedelic Salon.
	6:55pm melinda: But we should be honest about whether or not our actions are effective.
	6:56pm JakeGould: CIA? Ha! The Illuminati control Facebook. Google? Lizard People.
	6:56pm Ghoffman: OMG it’s a know it all
	6:56pm Evan From Seattle: i really disagree with the author saying that its pointless to delete your facebook. I deleted my account a year or two ago and have never looked back. I refuse to be part of that surveillance apparatus. I know even having my account deleted doesn't even completely remove me from their spying, and yeah I'm only one person and I don't make a difference alone. But if more people had the guts to walk away, they'd lose some power. But as a society we're too scared and vain to. I think the stance that "yeah they're undermining democracy but here's why i'm not leaving facebook" illustrates perfectly the unwillingness most people have to put their money where their mouth is.
	6:56pm JakeGould: AT&T now owns Time Warner. Consolidation of media is worse.
	6:57pm βrian: Hah, if you wan't a miserable interface, try Netflix. Miserable by design.
	6:57pm Ghoffman: Its know-it-all* Looks like he found another show to annoy
	6:57pm Fredericks: Brad Parscale: I understood early that Facebook was how Donald Trump was going to win. Twitter is how he talked to the people. Facebook was going to be how he won. Lesley Stahl: And Facebook IS how he won. Brad Parscale: I think so. I think Donald Trump won, but I think Facebook was the method -- it was the highway in which his car drove on.
	6:57pm JakeGould: Donald Trump on Twitter has saved Twitter. Think about that.
	6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Fredericks: I'm struck by George Carlin's observation that what the Powers That Be really didn't like about Hitler was the competition... What I can't understand is why all these Monopolies like Zuckerbird aren't challenged if there's such a market - like he shut down MySpace...
	6:58pm Buffalo's Tom: Melinda, I agree. You do have to create a change of consciousness and make it the "normal" thing to do which is sometimes as easy as doing it oneself visibly and not self-righteously. And symbolism is very important in this. There's culture war's intertwined with everything these days.
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Good one Peter-on-the-phone!
	6:58pm listener james from westwood: Well-earned break you're taking! Thanks, and enjoy the time off!
	🤖 6:59pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Siva!
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Understand the sea level is going to rise 200feet - & we're headed for the 6th major extinction of species in the history of the planet - including food sources. OK?
	7:00pm Fredericks: Great one, Rev Rab
	7:00pm Buffalo's Tom: Mark, enjoy your vacation in the Faraday cage! ;)
	7:00pm Michael 98145: ... especially if we let the bees die !
	7:00pm dale: this sounds like a christine lavin tune.
	7:01pm Michael 98145: ( or a Micah show song :)
	🤖 7:02pm Ken From Hyde Park: See you after your "retraining," Mark.
	7:04pm dale: eefin' makes everything better

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 25, 2018

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June 25, 2018: Siva Vaidhyanathan, author "Antisocial Media: How Facebook Disconnects Us and Undermines Democracy"

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This week: Siva Vaidhyanathan, UVA professor and author of "Antisocial Media: How Facebook Disconnects Us and Undermines Democracy."

Pointers to Siva's work:

• @sivavaid on Twitter

• Siva's Wikipedia entry

• Antisocial Media on Indiebound

Recent tech news:

• Facebook Is Patenting Technology to Spy on You Through Your Smartphone Camera and Microphone: "Not to worry," says Facebook VP Allen Lo, head of intellectual property. "Most of the technology outlined in these patents has not been included in any of our products, and never will be," he told the Times in an email. These are patents for (a) using your device's front facing camera to read your facial expressions and determine how you feel about what you see on the screen, (b) using your phone's microphone to eavesdrop on you, determining what television programs you're watching and whether the ads are muted, (c) using your phone's location in the middle of the night to try to determine where you live (or at least sleep), and (d) using your posts and messages--and credit card transactions--to predict your major life events, such as a birth, marriage, graduation or death.

• Below, from The Onion on June 14: “I know I screwed up, and I understand why you’re all upset, but if you were a morally corrupt megalomaniac hell-bent on manipulating society to your twisted whims, you would have done the exact same thing,” said Zuckerberg.

• Daily Show video, imagining Facebook as a bar

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Artist	Track	Album	Comments	Approx. start time
Facebook is destroying democracy around the world. UVA professor Siva Vaidhyanathan, author of "Anti Social Media," explains.
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"	Machinarium Soundtrack
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"			0:00:22 (Pop-up)
The Daily Show	Bar Facebook "Bar Facebook" by "The Daily Show"		excerpt from this video	0:13:30 (Pop-up)
	Interview with Siva Vaidhyanathan "Interview with Siva Vaidhyanathan"			0:19:02 (Pop-up)
	Your calls and comments 201-209-9368 "Your calls and comments 201-209-9368"			0:42:51 (Pop-up)
David Rovics	Facebook "Facebook" by "David Rovics"	The Other Side	Available on the Free Music Archive	0:56:09 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm Phil with the phone: first
	6:01pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all! That ... is a direct subtitle on that book there.
	6:01pm βrian: Damn, I've finally made this show. Love it. (But the theme music? meh.)
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark & Techtonicals!
	6:02pm ultradamno: Hello Tonichies!
	6:03pm Michael 98145: ( patents for a Facebook sex-bot? )
	6:06pm βrian: "Trust us!"
	6:06pm Fredericks: On iTunes I subscribed to Techtonic, but it is hosted by someone else.
	6:07pm βrian: My recorded facial expressions are remarkably similar to that of a post-it note.
	🤖 6:07pm Folsom: I still don't trust the new web player, I only use the mp3 stream. I need to email Ken to see how much tracking is done with the web player.
	6:08pm ultradamno: Speaking of The Onion has anyone been following their Facebook satire series Onion Social?
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and Techtonarians!
	6:09pm northguineahills: Most people's address is public record.
	6:10pm ultradamno: www.theonion.com...
	6:11pm geezerette: Techtoenails. :D :(
	6:11pm dale: seems like a lot of this brain power could go toward curing cancer instead of just selling stuff.
	6:11pm Tom from Maplewood: Rule number one. Disable location on your phone.
	6:12pm Michael 98145: good point, @dale. medical science rather than data science.
	6:15pm βrian: The Onion used to be our hometown rag.
	6:15pm geezerette: @Dale:@Michael, yep!
	6:15pm listener james from westwood: lol @ Mark's Zuck voice!
	6:17pm Buffalo's Tom: Oh my Christ, FB would make for the saddest bar ever.
	6:18pm chris: i lol'd at the facebook bar video. nicely done, guys. hi, Mark and techtonites
	6:18pm βrian: Are there ferns in that FB bar?
	6:20pm Buffalo's Tom: Brian, I'm thinking maybe corpse flowers...
	6:21pm Michael 98145: "Feed Me," said the FB bar blooms.
	6:22pm Buffalo's Tom: Feed me, Sharemore!
	6:23pm listener james from westwood: Anyone remember the old Chappelle bit where he's navigating the internet as though it were a physical space?
	6:24pm βrian: @LJames: Reminds me of MUDS.
	6:26pm ultradamno: @listenerjames Yeah, pretty much the same idea for a somewhat less sinister time.
	🤖 6:26pm Ken From Hyde Park: ljfw - Of course! www.cc.com...
	6:27pm geezerette: Music does too...
	6:27pm listener james from westwood: βrian: ooh, those go back!
	6:29pm βrian: (That was terminal-based engagement.)
	🤖 6:31pm Bas NL: Beware! There are some horrible books in libraries!
	6:32pm βrian: Now, Melania could've had "Resist The Garbage" on her jacket. But she didn't.
	6:34pm Neckbard: "We" need to build these institutions? We built them, and right-wing libertarians have steamrolled "us" at every turn. I would never, ever vote for the defunding of a library or a school. Yet still it happens. Do you think this has anything to do with the fact that I'm a wage slave, and the Kochs et al. are not?
	6:35pm βrian: The arc of FaceBook bends toward inju$tice.
	6:36pm northguineahills: I have my bros. send me their surfeit of pics of my nieces via text....
	6:36pm geezerette: "Double-think"
	6:36pm hoeg: Aloha techtons :D
	6:39pm geezerette: This author is deeply conflicted.
	6:40pm βrian: If only one could delete one's account 50,000 times per day!
	6:40pm JakeGould: I love what this guy is explaining! The reality is a lot of the “screen time”” debate is (honestly) a first world problem. Homeless people use social media to keep connected. I know that the death of the old Internet is sad, but I am not too sure discarding social media will bring that back.
	6:41pm joe mulligan: LTV of an American FB user is way more than one in India, and US MAUs need to keep trending up; one person may not be much but a drop in the chart makes a big differencce
	6:42pm JakeGould: Also, as far as recycling goes… It’s admirable in some ways but is entirely hypocritical in other ways. How many “reusable” bags are not reused and just discarded each day? I believe the death we are experiencing nowadays is the death of the local in favor of the global. No social media network is good for local stuff. It’s all on large scale.
	6:43pm joe mulligan: i.e. "Twitter Quitters" was a huge MAUs problem just a few years ago and problematic... until the likes of Trump and other celebrities boosted engagment
	6:43pm dale: i remember when a midtown office i worked in put two garbage baskets in every office, one for recycling. first time i worked late the cleaning staff came in and dumped both baskets in the same bin. what a sham!
	6:44pm JakeGould: Twitter is such bullshit because you can fake accounts so easily. I mean there are businesses out there that hook you up with fake followers? If these networks really worked THAT would not be possible.
	6:44pm melinda: Good point about people being de-politicized and thinking solely as individual consumers.
	6:45pm joe mulligan: @jake, yes! that's why the monthly active users is the metric analysts use
	6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: I hear the recycling centers are overwhelmed - even should it get there...not a social priority... As pointed out w/ this Program - our Data should have been OURS in the 1st place...
	6:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: They are the Corporations - too large to address us m- while demanding to know everything about us...& no one is ever Accountable for the slightest thing now...
	6:47pm JakeGould: Paper bag recycling is kinda bullshit. And most clothes recycling ends up in Africa. We’re pushing the squalor elsewhere.
	🤖 6:49pm Ken From Hyde Park: China doesn't want your recycled plastic, either. news.vice.com...
	6:50pm Neckbard: The author said the most vexing thing is that Facebook isn't even something members "consume." So that's kind of it, isn't it? The claim should put paid to the notion that you can find new access to political power through your "lifestyle choices" and "shopping dollar."
	6:50pm dale: i like to play words with friends on fb. main reason i stay there.
	6:50pm ultradamno: www.cnbc.com...
	6:50pm geezerette: The Los Angeles Times has just been bought by a disruptor who wants to rename it California Times.
	6:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Terence McKenna observed prob. more than 20 years ago that the NationState is an idea from another century. W/ the fall of Communism - the way was cleared for the corporations & technicians to take over - & all the IQ talent went there - not into Government - which has been filled by morons & buffoons...Capitalism is utterly unchecked...
	6:52pm Fredericks: Didn't IBM have profitable relationship with Nazi Germany?
	6:52pm Neckbard: @Revolution Rabbit News: Do you have a source for that? I'd really like to check it out.
	6:52pm Buffalo's Tom: Re: recycling, I think the solution is making serious reuse a priority instead of just throwing up our hands. I do appreciate the allure of despair these days though...in fact, give me five minutes.
	6:53pm melinda: I think the comparison to recycling and environmental action is useful. We can't change the system solely with individual consumer choices, but making those individual choices (recycling, composting, quitting facebook, whatever) serves as an important example of the change we'd like to see. Symbolism matters even if it isn't a game changer.
	6:54pm Vanessa B: hi techtons! I am contemplating deleting. in the meantime, I moved the app off my home screen and turned badges and notifications. I check it much less. I never really posted much but there are some photos I'd like to download.
	6:54pm geezerette: Never had a facebook account. Could not bring myself to do it, didn't like its invasiveness. Our tracks are all over FMU however.
	6:54pm dale: is this guy a shut up weirdo caller too?
	6:54pm βrian: @BT: Yep, reusing at home. Don't send it away to be re-used.
	6:55pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Neckbard: Loads on McKenna on Psychedelic Salon.
	6:55pm melinda: But we should be honest about whether or not our actions are effective.
	6:56pm JakeGould: CIA? Ha! The Illuminati control Facebook. Google? Lizard People.
	6:56pm Ghoffman: OMG it’s a know it all
	6:56pm Evan From Seattle: i really disagree with the author saying that its pointless to delete your facebook. I deleted my account a year or two ago and have never looked back. I refuse to be part of that surveillance apparatus. I know even having my account deleted doesn't even completely remove me from their spying, and yeah I'm only one person and I don't make a difference alone. But if more people had the guts to walk away, they'd lose some power. But as a society we're too scared and vain to. I think the stance that "yeah they're undermining democracy but here's why i'm not leaving facebook" illustrates perfectly the unwillingness most people have to put their money where their mouth is.
	6:56pm JakeGould: AT&T now owns Time Warner. Consolidation of media is worse.
	6:57pm βrian: Hah, if you wan't a miserable interface, try Netflix. Miserable by design.
	6:57pm Ghoffman: Its know-it-all* Looks like he found another show to annoy
	6:57pm Fredericks: Brad Parscale: I understood early that Facebook was how Donald Trump was going to win. Twitter is how he talked to the people. Facebook was going to be how he won. Lesley Stahl: And Facebook IS how he won. Brad Parscale: I think so. I think Donald Trump won, but I think Facebook was the method -- it was the highway in which his car drove on.
	6:57pm JakeGould: Donald Trump on Twitter has saved Twitter. Think about that.
	6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @Fredericks: I'm struck by George Carlin's observation that what the Powers That Be really didn't like about Hitler was the competition... What I can't understand is why all these Monopolies like Zuckerbird aren't challenged if there's such a market - like he shut down MySpace...
	6:58pm Buffalo's Tom: Melinda, I agree. You do have to create a change of consciousness and make it the "normal" thing to do which is sometimes as easy as doing it oneself visibly and not self-righteously. And symbolism is very important in this. There's culture war's intertwined with everything these days.
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Good one Peter-on-the-phone!
	6:58pm listener james from westwood: Well-earned break you're taking! Thanks, and enjoy the time off!
	🤖 6:59pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark! Thanks Siva!
	6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Understand the sea level is going to rise 200feet - & we're headed for the 6th major extinction of species in the history of the planet - including food sources. OK?
	7:00pm Fredericks: Great one, Rev Rab
	7:00pm Buffalo's Tom: Mark, enjoy your vacation in the Faraday cage! ;)
	7:00pm Michael 98145: ... especially if we let the bees die !
	7:00pm dale: this sounds like a christine lavin tune.
	7:01pm Michael 98145: ( or a Micah show song :)
	🤖 7:02pm Ken From Hyde Park: See you after your "retraining," Mark.
	7:04pm dale: eefin' makes everything better

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 25, 2018

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