WFMU: Sounds Under 64 Not Allowed with Jan Turkenburg: Playlist from May 27, 2021

Listener comments!
	9:59am Jan Turkenburg: Hi to all listeners younger and older than 64!
	10:00am chresti: Morning Jan and over/unders!
	10:00am Jan Turkenburg: Hi chresti!
	10:01am Listener Robert: What about listeners who are exactly 64?
	10:01am MHLee: I wonder when it fell out of practice to induce yourself before you began the song.
	10:02am Jan Turkenburg: They are more than welcome.
	10:02am Listener Robert: Some bartenders are like that.
	10:03am fred: Greetings Jan and all
	10:03am chresti: I'll be exactly 64 in August. Morning exactlys!
	10:03am Listener Robert: No, I think MHLee was referring not to DJs, but to the performer on the record.
	10:04am MHLee: No that wasn't at you, lol. That was a comment on the Edison records and the old records "SUNG BY MISTER HARRY BURR"
	10:04am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Robert! (oh yes, of course..) Hi MHLee! (lol) Hi fred!
	10:05am Listener Robert: But the way things are going, I think some singers no longer INDUCE themselves either!
	10:06am MHLee: oh good catch....
	10:07am Listener Robert: Just to amplify, a "cool", detached style of singing seems to have become popular, wherein the singer no longer gets into it emotionally.
	10:07am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, lol! now I'm reading it right, I have been pre-occupied by technical anomalies just before the show :-)
	10:10am Listener Robert: Maybe that's Sinatra's influence. He got you to actually listen to the words and the sentiment in THEM, rather than saying, "Here I am, all worked up about something, pay attention to ME."
	10:14am MHLee: Well, I wouldn't call the precursor crooners detached... Bing and Russ Columbo and even Rudy Vallee seem to be rather invested in the song.
	10:14am Listener Robert: Before Sinatra, you could imagine the prominent recording artists and live performers as if they were characters in an opera or musical play. Now take Sinatra and try to transpose that performance to someone playing a part; you can't. And he did act in movies!
	10:15am David (in London): Afternoon Jan and all vintage groovers.
	10:15am Listener Robert: Exactly, MHLee, that's the style that seems to have mostly changed.
	10:16am chresti: Afternoon from the morning David in London.
	10:18am Jan Turkenburg: Hi David!
	10:23am Jan Turkenburg: MHLee, Robert, doesn't it also has a lot to do with the development of microphones and amplification. In the beginning of recording singers were used to be singing unamplified in such a way that people in the back of the theatre could hear them too. They also had to compete in volume with the accompanying orchestra. That changed with the introcution of the microphone. In the early years recording was done not with a microphone, but with a funnel of some sort.
	10:25am Listener Robert: True, I hadn't taken those developments into account. It took a while for them to adjust.
	10:26am WR: hello Jan, forgot today is Thursday, will be listening but nut commenting. work work work.
	10:26am Jan Turkenburg: Hi WR!
	10:28am chresti: I'm looking forward to WR's nutty comments.
	10:28am spodiodi: greetings, Jan! hi, chresti \\//, Robert, MHLee, fred, David (iL), WR!
	10:28am spodiodi: haha chresti. i liked that too
	10:29am chresti: Hi spodi! \\//
	10:30am Listener Robert: It also had a lot to do with the lyrics that were presented to them. Much of the stuff that Sinatra chose to sing or was written for him was 3rd person, as opposed to more of the 1st and 2nd person lyrics others sang.
	10:32am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Spodiodi!
	10:32am Listener Robert: Come to think of it, a great deal of Beatles' originals are 3rd person lyrics, about he/she/it/they, while their early contemporaries were singing more about I/we/you.
	10:33am Jan Turkenburg: Well, now I wasn't aware of that particular aspect. Thank you, Robert.
	10:34am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, "She loves you" was revolutionary!
	10:35am Listener Robert: Of course, "She loves you" is partly 3rd and partly 2nd person.
	10:41am Jan Turkenburg: The funny thing is that in children songs there was an opposite development, which I now remember was pointed out during my training as a teacher. During the seventies songs in the 1st person became into fashion and actually never left.
	10:43am Jan Turkenburg: children were allowed to sing about themselves, or about being a kind of animal as opposed to the more moralistic school songs from the past
	10:45am spodiodi: old pcs ftw!
	10:45am Listener Robert: That's very interesting, Teacher.
	10:46am spodiodi: redundancy ftw!
	10:46am chresti: I like Chet's shirt.
	10:46am chresti: Haha spodi!
	10:48am Rich in Washington: wow! That's very Kipper Kids sounding!
	10:49am Jan Turkenburg: Rich!!
	10:49am chresti: So, if there isn't a drop out, we'll breathe a sigh of relief.
	10:52am Jan Turkenburg: Well, if there IS a drop out now, it will mean that my internet connection as a whole will have been cut off and not only the good ole streaming PC
	10:54am Jan Turkenburg: Ah... that makes me remember.. I might be able to arrange a back-up for that as well...
	10:55am Jan Turkenburg: But the technical difficulties are also part of the fun here :-)
	10:57am Jan Turkenburg: But liking to solve practical problems is a Turkenburg-trade :-)
	10:57am spodiodi: i can appreciate that, Jan... the two machines i use the most are from 2009(!)
	10:58am Lizardner Dave !: Hi folks! Sorry I'm late to Sheena's Most Educational Show.
	10:58am spodiodi: hi Dave! hi Rich in Washington!
	10:59am David (in London): Chresti, Spod, WR, salutations.
	11:01am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Dave ! !
	11:03am chresti: I think the desktop is from 2009 or 10, my laptop is from 2018 I think, my son sent it to me on Mother's day. He gave us the desktop after updating it to windows 10.
	11:05am spodiodi: what a nice Mother's day gift! i mostly run ubuntu on my desktop.
	11:11am spodiodi: "I wish I knew about the dog that dressed like a cat Or the mule that walked like rock Or the tornado who swam like a statue of Carmen Miranda" -- John S. Hall
	11:15am coelacanth∅: greetings Jan and all
	11:16am Jan Turkenburg: Hi coelacanth∅!
	11:17am Jan Turkenburg: Nice one, Spodiodi!
	11:19am Ursula1000: good day Jan and listeners!
	11:19am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Ursula!
	11:19am spodiodi: hi coelacanthØ thanks, Jan (any mention of her makes me think of those lyrics). nice track!
	11:19am spodiodi: good day, Ursula1000!
	11:24am coelacanth∅: hey spodiodi hey Ursula1000 . . . i'm confused and probably just ignorant; but why would a "black" man wear blackface? - not black enough??
	11:27am Ursula1000: @coelacanth∅ I was just thinking of that too. Maybe it was something in the minstrel circuit?
	11:30am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, I've read that it was common practise in those days for black people to put on the same kind of make up as the white black faces, so they looked exactly the same.
	11:31am coelacanth∅: ...or maybe just a tactic to keep "white" folks from taking "black" folks too seriously
	11:31am coelacanth∅: (as artists)
	11:31am Ursula1000: just read that Jan from your Wiki link---crazy times
	11:52am MHLee: Ethnic comedy was also a big thing... over the top Yiddish accented songs were released such as "Under the Matzo Tree"
	11:53am spodiodi: this song is funny
	11:53am David (in London): Oh blimey, it's our Gracie.
	11:54am MHLee: There was a Jewish comedian, Harry Park, whose who career was playing a Greek character named Parkyakarkus
	11:54am David (in London): Yo Coela.
	11:55am spodiodi: thank you, Jan!
	11:56am David (in London): Thanks Jan. Great to bow out to Gracie there.
	11:56am Ursula1000: cheers Jan! Sounds Spectacular 99th episode next right here wfmu.org...
	11:56am coelacanth∅: Thanks Jan!
	11:56am David (in London): May I put in a request for some Al Bowlly at some stage?
	11:56am coelacanth∅: hey David (iL)
	11:58am chresti: Thanks Jan! Hi coel! Franco was bending my ears a little.
	11:58am Lizardner Dave !: Thanks Jan!
	11:58am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, David. Requests are always granted! I've played some al Bowlly before, and there are plenty recordings left!
	11:59am MHLee: Always, great thanks, Jan!
	12:03pm Rich in Washington: Thanks, Jan!
	5:22pm WR: Archive listening because on caught parts on the broadcast day. Nice to hear about the review of the program. Did you get any feedback from new listeners?

Sounds Under 64 Not Allowed with Jan Turkenburg: Playlist from May 27, 2021

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Artist	Track	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
Edison Modern Minstrels	Louisiana Minstrels	1904		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Al Bernard	Oh By Jingo "Oh By Jingo" by "Al Bernard"	1920		0:03:37 (Pop-up)
Melle Weersma (Red White & Blue Aces)	After You've Gone	1934	(vocal - Ann Royce) https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melle_Weersma	0:06:41 (Pop-up)
Albert Bol	Oh Wat Een Meid Is Dat	1911		0:09:43 (Pop-up)
Edith Piaf	L' Etranger "L' Etranger" by "Edith Piaf"	1936		0:12:27 (Pop-up)
Frank Crumit	Oh By Jingo Oh By Gee	1920		0:17:48 (Pop-up)
Billie Holiday	My Man ( Mon Homme )	1937		0:21:00 (Pop-up)
Zon-O-Phone Orchestra	My Old Kentucky Home	1901	https://syncopatedtimes.com/fred-hager-and-victor-herbert/	0:23:56 (Pop-up)
Django Reinhardt (+ Hot Club De France)	Lambeth Walk	1938		0:25:54 (Pop-up)
Jeanette MacDonald	Indian Love Call	1936	(from 'Rose Marie') (solo)	0:31:44 (Pop-up)
Hanka Ordonowna	Jesienna Piosenka	1937	(in Polish)	0:34:31 (Pop-up)
Chet Atkins	Oh By Jingo "Oh By Jingo" by "Chet Atkins"	1953		0:37:43 (Pop-up)
Ada Jones & Chorus	If I Knock The 'L Out Of Kelly			0:39:50 (Pop-up)
Premier Quartet	Oh By Jingo Oh By Gee	1920	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Quartet_(ensemble)	0:45:50 (Pop-up)
Richard Tauber	Als Flotter Geist "Als Flotter Geist" by "Richard Tauber"		(Der Zigeunerbaron, Johann Strauss jr.)	0:49:40 (Pop-up)
Boswell Sisters	Rock And Roll "Rock And Roll" by "Boswell Sisters"	1934		0:52:15 (Pop-up)
Judy Garland	All God's Chillun Got Rhythm	1937		0:54:59 (Pop-up)
All Star Trio (Frank Wadsworth & G H Green & Victor Arden)	Oh By Jingo	1920	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh_By_Jingo!	1:00:51 (Pop-up)
Bert Williams (+ George Walker)	My Little Zulu Babe	1901	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_and_Walker_Co.	1:05:05 (Pop-up)
William Jennings Bryan	Tariff Question (political speech)	1908		1:07:47 (Pop-up)
Carmen Miranda (+ Assis Valente)	Minha Embaixada Chegou	1934		1:09:50 (Pop-up)
Margaret Young	Oh By Jingo "Oh By Jingo" by "Margaret Young"	1920		1:15:20 (Pop-up)
Columbia Quartet	It's A Long Lane That Has No Turning	1912		1:18:32 (Pop-up)
Johnny & Jones	Mijnheer Dinges weet niet wat swing is	1938		1:21:49 (Pop-up)
Kealoa Hawaiian Players	On Treasure Island	1935		1:24:20 (Pop-up)
Greta Keller	Bei Mir Bist Du Schön	1938		1:29:37 (Pop-up)
Dorsey Brothers	By Heck "By Heck" by "Dorsey Brothers"	1933		1:32:14 (Pop-up)
Krakajax	Oh By Jingo "Oh By Jingo" by "Krakajax"	1936		1:35:20 (Pop-up)
Spike Jones and his City Slickers	Oh By Jingo	1942		1:38:26 (Pop-up)
Josephine Baker	Ram Pam Pam "Ram Pam Pam" by "Josephine Baker"	1932		1:43:45 (Pop-up)
Four Bright Sparks Band	Every Day Away From You	1930		1:46:22 (Pop-up)
Rytmin solistiorkesteri Toivo Kärjen johdolla levyttivät	Kaukainen Yvästä	1945		1:49:19 (Pop-up)
Gracie Fields	Will You Love Me When I'm Mutton	1934		1:52:15 (Pop-up)
Clarck Sisters	Oh By Jingo "Oh By Jingo" by "Clarck Sisters"	1957		1:57:16 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:59am Jan Turkenburg: Hi to all listeners younger and older than 64!
	10:00am chresti: Morning Jan and over/unders!
	10:00am Jan Turkenburg: Hi chresti!
	10:01am Listener Robert: What about listeners who are exactly 64?
	10:01am MHLee: I wonder when it fell out of practice to induce yourself before you began the song.
	10:02am Jan Turkenburg: They are more than welcome.
	10:02am Listener Robert: Some bartenders are like that.
	10:03am fred: Greetings Jan and all
	10:03am chresti: I'll be exactly 64 in August. Morning exactlys!
	10:03am Listener Robert: No, I think MHLee was referring not to DJs, but to the performer on the record.
	10:04am MHLee: No that wasn't at you, lol. That was a comment on the Edison records and the old records "SUNG BY MISTER HARRY BURR"
	10:04am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Robert! (oh yes, of course..) Hi MHLee! (lol) Hi fred!
	10:05am Listener Robert: But the way things are going, I think some singers no longer INDUCE themselves either!
	10:06am MHLee: oh good catch....
	10:07am Listener Robert: Just to amplify, a "cool", detached style of singing seems to have become popular, wherein the singer no longer gets into it emotionally.
	10:07am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, lol! now I'm reading it right, I have been pre-occupied by technical anomalies just before the show :-)
	10:10am Listener Robert: Maybe that's Sinatra's influence. He got you to actually listen to the words and the sentiment in THEM, rather than saying, "Here I am, all worked up about something, pay attention to ME."
	10:14am MHLee: Well, I wouldn't call the precursor crooners detached... Bing and Russ Columbo and even Rudy Vallee seem to be rather invested in the song.
	10:14am Listener Robert: Before Sinatra, you could imagine the prominent recording artists and live performers as if they were characters in an opera or musical play. Now take Sinatra and try to transpose that performance to someone playing a part; you can't. And he did act in movies!
	10:15am David (in London): Afternoon Jan and all vintage groovers.
	10:15am Listener Robert: Exactly, MHLee, that's the style that seems to have mostly changed.
	10:16am chresti: Afternoon from the morning David in London.
	10:18am Jan Turkenburg: Hi David!
	10:23am Jan Turkenburg: MHLee, Robert, doesn't it also has a lot to do with the development of microphones and amplification. In the beginning of recording singers were used to be singing unamplified in such a way that people in the back of the theatre could hear them too. They also had to compete in volume with the accompanying orchestra. That changed with the introcution of the microphone. In the early years recording was done not with a microphone, but with a funnel of some sort.
	10:25am Listener Robert: True, I hadn't taken those developments into account. It took a while for them to adjust.
	10:26am WR: hello Jan, forgot today is Thursday, will be listening but nut commenting. work work work.
	10:26am Jan Turkenburg: Hi WR!
	10:28am chresti: I'm looking forward to WR's nutty comments.
	10:28am spodiodi: greetings, Jan! hi, chresti \\//, Robert, MHLee, fred, David (iL), WR!
	10:28am spodiodi: haha chresti. i liked that too
	10:29am chresti: Hi spodi! \\//
	10:30am Listener Robert: It also had a lot to do with the lyrics that were presented to them. Much of the stuff that Sinatra chose to sing or was written for him was 3rd person, as opposed to more of the 1st and 2nd person lyrics others sang.
	10:32am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Spodiodi!
	10:32am Listener Robert: Come to think of it, a great deal of Beatles' originals are 3rd person lyrics, about he/she/it/they, while their early contemporaries were singing more about I/we/you.
	10:33am Jan Turkenburg: Well, now I wasn't aware of that particular aspect. Thank you, Robert.
	10:34am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, "She loves you" was revolutionary!
	10:35am Listener Robert: Of course, "She loves you" is partly 3rd and partly 2nd person.
	10:41am Jan Turkenburg: The funny thing is that in children songs there was an opposite development, which I now remember was pointed out during my training as a teacher. During the seventies songs in the 1st person became into fashion and actually never left.
	10:43am Jan Turkenburg: children were allowed to sing about themselves, or about being a kind of animal as opposed to the more moralistic school songs from the past
	10:45am spodiodi: old pcs ftw!
	10:45am Listener Robert: That's very interesting, Teacher.
	10:46am spodiodi: redundancy ftw!
	10:46am chresti: I like Chet's shirt.
	10:46am chresti: Haha spodi!
	10:48am Rich in Washington: wow! That's very Kipper Kids sounding!
	10:49am Jan Turkenburg: Rich!!
	10:49am chresti: So, if there isn't a drop out, we'll breathe a sigh of relief.
	10:52am Jan Turkenburg: Well, if there IS a drop out now, it will mean that my internet connection as a whole will have been cut off and not only the good ole streaming PC
	10:54am Jan Turkenburg: Ah... that makes me remember.. I might be able to arrange a back-up for that as well...
	10:55am Jan Turkenburg: But the technical difficulties are also part of the fun here :-)
	10:57am Jan Turkenburg: But liking to solve practical problems is a Turkenburg-trade :-)
	10:57am spodiodi: i can appreciate that, Jan... the two machines i use the most are from 2009(!)
	10:58am Lizardner Dave !: Hi folks! Sorry I'm late to Sheena's Most Educational Show.
	10:58am spodiodi: hi Dave! hi Rich in Washington!
	10:59am David (in London): Chresti, Spod, WR, salutations.
	11:01am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Dave ! !
	11:03am chresti: I think the desktop is from 2009 or 10, my laptop is from 2018 I think, my son sent it to me on Mother's day. He gave us the desktop after updating it to windows 10.
	11:05am spodiodi: what a nice Mother's day gift! i mostly run ubuntu on my desktop.
	11:11am spodiodi: "I wish I knew about the dog that dressed like a cat Or the mule that walked like rock Or the tornado who swam like a statue of Carmen Miranda" -- John S. Hall
	11:15am coelacanth∅: greetings Jan and all
	11:16am Jan Turkenburg: Hi coelacanth∅!
	11:17am Jan Turkenburg: Nice one, Spodiodi!
	11:19am Ursula1000: good day Jan and listeners!
	11:19am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Ursula!
	11:19am spodiodi: hi coelacanthØ thanks, Jan (any mention of her makes me think of those lyrics). nice track!
	11:19am spodiodi: good day, Ursula1000!
	11:24am coelacanth∅: hey spodiodi hey Ursula1000 . . . i'm confused and probably just ignorant; but why would a "black" man wear blackface? - not black enough??
	11:27am Ursula1000: @coelacanth∅ I was just thinking of that too. Maybe it was something in the minstrel circuit?
	11:30am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, I've read that it was common practise in those days for black people to put on the same kind of make up as the white black faces, so they looked exactly the same.
	11:31am coelacanth∅: ...or maybe just a tactic to keep "white" folks from taking "black" folks too seriously
	11:31am coelacanth∅: (as artists)
	11:31am Ursula1000: just read that Jan from your Wiki link---crazy times
	11:52am MHLee: Ethnic comedy was also a big thing... over the top Yiddish accented songs were released such as "Under the Matzo Tree"
	11:53am spodiodi: this song is funny
	11:53am David (in London): Oh blimey, it's our Gracie.
	11:54am MHLee: There was a Jewish comedian, Harry Park, whose who career was playing a Greek character named Parkyakarkus
	11:54am David (in London): Yo Coela.
	11:55am spodiodi: thank you, Jan!
	11:56am David (in London): Thanks Jan. Great to bow out to Gracie there.
	11:56am Ursula1000: cheers Jan! Sounds Spectacular 99th episode next right here wfmu.org...
	11:56am coelacanth∅: Thanks Jan!
	11:56am David (in London): May I put in a request for some Al Bowlly at some stage?
	11:56am coelacanth∅: hey David (iL)
	11:58am chresti: Thanks Jan! Hi coel! Franco was bending my ears a little.
	11:58am Lizardner Dave !: Thanks Jan!
	11:58am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, David. Requests are always granted! I've played some al Bowlly before, and there are plenty recordings left!
	11:59am MHLee: Always, great thanks, Jan!
	12:03pm Rich in Washington: Thanks, Jan!
	5:22pm WR: Archive listening because on caught parts on the broadcast day. Nice to hear about the review of the program. Did you get any feedback from new listeners?

Sounds Under 64 Not Allowed with Jan Turkenburg: Playlist from May 27, 2021

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