WFMU: This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from November 11, 2021

Listener comments!
	6:23pm Trouble: Good Morning nature lovers! Liberty State Park is not yet protected from Billionaire Fireman's attempt to grab Caven Point to enlarge his luxury golf course. Please call NJ Assembly Speaker Craig Coughlin (732-855-7441) and ask him to post the Liberty State Park Protection Act Bill # A2189 on the Assembly Agriculture & Natural Resources Committee agenda, and for Speaker Coughlin to strongly support this protection act without any exemptions for the Caven Point natural area. To override Fireman's purchasing of phone bots to falsify support for his land grab, please give your opinion on why we need to protect Liberty State Park from this sort of private theft and what Liberty State Park means to you, Jersey City and people all over New Jersey. Please insist on leaving your name, town and phone # to solidify that you are a real person who cares. Merci!
	8:58am βrian: A cold, rainy day on the isthmus today. Good Morning.
	9:00am Handy Haversack: Good Thursday morning, Trouble and all the Troubled. Sounds like that's heading our way, βrian, but it's pretty nice here today.
	9:01am listener james from westwood: Morning, Trouble and all!
	9:01am YETI BOB: loving it already
	9:02am Doug in JC: Thank you for your LSP advocacy! I found a yet-unidentified member of the gourd family growing in the park yesterday. I later learned that zucchini and pumpkins are the same species!
	9:03am Dances with Moomins: Good morning New Jersey, Trouble, and troubled listeners world wide.
	9:03am Doug in JC: I also found out that wasps LOVE the sugary excretions from lanternflies and I was prevented from engaging in my usual killing spree
	9:04am YETI BOB: Doug: What? Next you're going to tell me broccoli and brussels sprouts are the same thing
	9:04am Special_Vessels: Morning Trouble and troubadours! Just got back from a windy dip in the sea, happy to be with y'all here in Tel Aviv :)
	9:04am karlward: YETI BOB: ... wait ... are they?
	9:04am YETI BOB: Doug: But seriously, never knew that about squashes. Interesting.
	9:04am Doug in JC: You're Brassica Bob from now on
	9:05am Zipperhead7: Hi folks! Nice start with Sandy Bull. Love his version of "Memphis" too
	9:05am Handy Haversack: Flammable the same as inflammable? What a country! Also, in Italian, pumpkin = "zucca." Zucchini = "little pumpkin."
	9:06am Robm: Good morning fellow trouble makers
	9:06am Doug in JC: Handy, that's amazing
	9:06am YETI BOB: And Zuccotti Park = Pumpkin Park! All the pieces are falling into place now.
	9:06am Skyline chili: Holy shades of CCR
	9:07am Handy Haversack: It was Barzini all along!
	9:07am duvignau: Hola Trouble! Te amo. Saludos desde la Ciudad de México. ARRIBA!
	9:07am Toutevoix: Italo-american zucchini buongiorno tutti
	9:07am Special_Vessels: @Handy LOLOL
	9:08am βrian: Zucchini are also the same as courgettes, with the exception that the latter has a higher menu price.
	9:08am Strandlund: Good Morning Trouble...Love the Milton Avery. One of my favorites!!
	9:08am Ken From Hyde Park: Good morning, Trouble. Plover povver!
	9:08am Irene Trudel: G' Morning, Trouble and Modern World-ers! Good guitar to get us going.
	9:12am oscarfate: I'm a real person, who cares
	9:13am Listener Gregory: Alternate title for "Gospel Tune": "Ray Charles Medley." Good morning, all.
	9:16am Skyline chili: @Irene Trudel: How do you feel about swapping your first name with trouble. That way your name will be Trouble Trudel. Has a ring to it, don't you think.
	9:18am Mike W.: I am happy to be here, happy to be anywhere today really
	9:19am jdaAndAnoukFromKöln: KÖLLE alaaf!
	9:26am drowsy: This has been an amazing 20 minutes, thank you Trouble!
	9:28am Trouble: merci @ drowsy
	9:29am Webhamster Henry: Good Troubly Morning, Modernaires!
	9:33am brbrbits89: Nice Portuguese 😍
	9:36am Irene Trudel: @Skyline chill, I don't think that really works for me. It's a personality thing. I'm kinda the opposite of trouble.
	9:37am Mike W.: [one year from now] “Hello everyone in double-ya FMUland, I’m Trouble and this is The Modern World, and this is my first live on-air 3-hour cello performance...”
	9:37am Listener Robert: Who owns that tract of land now?
	9:38am Mike W.: Safety Trudel
	9:39am BillyLundun: billionaire fireman sounds like a super villian!
	9:39am Irene Trudel: Hah, Mike!
	9:39am Ken From Hyde Park: Assemblyman Coughlin's site: www.njleg.state.nj.us...
	9:40am Trouble: caven park is part of liberty state park right now @ listener Robert
	9:40am Listener Robert: So it's a question of whether the state wants to sell to him?
	9:41am Irene Trudel: Trouble, thanks for focusing on this issue with Liberty State Park. I still remember when it first opened, and how excited I was that something beautiful could be created there. Can people who live out of state weigh in?
	9:41am Mike W.: “Who owns that land right now” is the kind of question that illuminates how badly wrong humanity went when we first started selling off the commons.
	9:42am Trouble: you got it @ mike w!
	9:42am Doug in JC: Right now the DEP has authority to "lease out" whatever parts of LSP they wish to. Every year someone comes out with a land use proposal that the DEP is required to consider and the community needs to band together to oppose it. The Protection Act would prevent us from having to spend so much money fending off greedy people like Paul Fireman
	9:42am Hydroplane: What part of the land is it near liberty state park?
	9:43am Trouble: yes@irene! that is the point of how magical liberty state park is, and why it is a jewel to be preserved as is
	9:43am Hydroplane: in question
	9:43am Doug in JC: money + energy. didn't proofread
	9:44am Doug in JC: @Hydroplane There's a map of the tract here: www.shaynamarchese.com...
	9:44am Hydroplane: Thanks
	9:44am Listener Gregory: Proofreading requires money OR energy,@Doug.
	9:47am Mike W.: tired: time machine to go back and kill baby Hitler wired: time machine to go back to feudal times and wipe out the so-called nobility
	9:47am Handy Haversack: Some amazing shots, Doug. That yellow-crowned night heron!
	9:49am Doug in JC: She really puts the work in, Handy!
	9:49am Nate in Detroit: @trouble semi-related to your park story, yesterday someone (a realtor i think) completely slashed the incredible garden and 2 beautiful mature magnolia trees in my former neighbor's back yard. It had been overgrown and definitely needed work, but it was heartbreaking to see the entire thing mowed down. It was one of my favorite yards in the neighborhood, one of the few places with enough plant life to provide cover for wildlife. I was literally shaking as i walked by this morning.
	9:49am catherine: CAlled Congressman Coughlin's office - no answer and voicemiail said his mailbox is full
	9:50am Hydroplane: Developers and conservatives view land like that as if it is just an empty lot, like a desolate patch of nothing. Claims about it being a haven for birds and wildlife sound to them like arbitrary excuses to not do something with the clearly "wasted space" as far I can tell.
	9:51am Trouble: o noooooooo! that sounds horrible@ nate indetroit. i do not understand people's lack of thought and care about how important trees are in an urban space. ugh!
	9:51am Ken From Hyde Park: @catherine - If it's helpful, the link I posted @9:39 provides an email option.
	9:52am Hydroplane: People view trees as decor that is barely worth the trouble of dealing with. All nature is just shit in the way to them. They'd all rather have parking lots with fake potted plants and crate and barrel outdoor furniture than trees and nature. Because you know, that stuff is such a hassle! Ugh
	9:53am upstatesean: Hey Trouble, everyone! Finally getting to listen live on this Veterans Day :)
	9:55am Zinn The Mood: Nice playlist, T. Riding to Rockaway Beach with the kids who are off today for Armistice Day. Oops, forgot we live in the land of incessant war propaganda - Veterans Day.
	9:55am Doug in JC: One positive effect of the fight has been the number of people in the area who had never heard of Caven Point who come out to explore it and see what the big deal is, then find out what a wonderful place it is
	9:56am Hydroplane: Sorry it gets me so mad how finicky people are about trees. Trees create a sense of space, and facilitate so much else like nature and fresh air etc and people will take down trees for the pettiest reasons.
	9:56am Doug in JC: Zinn, are you chewing out a rhythm on your bubblegum?
	9:56am catherine: @ken from Hyde Park Thank you, email sent
	9:58am βrian: My problem is that we've planted so many trees that we don't have room for more. The birds are quite happy. Many new pathways.
	10:00am listener james from westwood: No mistaking Durutti Column. Bliss.
	10:01am Zinn The Mood: To your fundamental point about the Rich running roughshod over our lives in whatever way they please: As part of my own agitprop I’d like to wear a combination Che Guevara T-shirt underneath with a “tax the rich” button on an unbuttoned army fatigue long sleeve shirt. Sort of a successive suggestion. That if we don’t tax the rich the next step is what Che had in mind - and accomplished.
	10:03am cpapapietro: What a great set!!!
	10:05am Andrew Hollywood: I luv Sex Ed. Be more like Eric <3
	10:06am Zinn The Mood: @Doug The sun is out, and I want some.
	10:07am jdaAndAnoukFromKöln: those 20km/h scooters have a number plate
	10:08am jdaAndAnoukFromKöln: + insurance – no helmet
	10:08am Mike W.: Everything said about e-bikes should also go for dogs.
	10:09am Dances with Moomins: Aren't we blusey today! Nice
	10:09am Mike W.: As far as, a dog is something ignorant people don’t know (or in some cases care) about keeping safely.
	10:09am Handy Haversack: Crucial reading on the oppression and resistance of NYC's delivery people who rely on those electric bikes for survival in an on-demand economy that enables the instant and cheap gratification of whims for the moneyed at the expense, over and over, of the workers: www.theverge.com... Ditch all your apps.
	10:10am Zipperhead7: Orwell wrote an excellent piece on enclosure in England: "Stop to consider how the so-called owners of the land got hold of it. They simply seized it by force, afterwards hiring lawyers to provide them with title-deeds. In the case of the enclosure of the common lands, which was going on from about 1600 to 1850, the land-grabbers did not even have the excuse of being foreign conquerors; they were quite frankly taking the heritage of their own countrymen, upon no sort of pretext except that they had the power to do so."
	10:11am Andres: Cue the The Treasure of the Sierra Madre quote.
	10:11am Handy Haversack: But licensing, classes, registration, insurance -- all things easy enough for the wealthy and impossible for the workers for whom currently those bikes are survival tools. Don't treat the symptom by regulating the bikes. Treat the disease by regulating the venture-capital-funded gig-economy master class that relies on worker oppression to show any sort of return for its corrupt shareholders.
	10:11am sphere: Hello. Trouble, here’s an 2019 article about Fairfax County, Virginia’s implementation of electric scooters: ggwash.org...
	10:12am Dances with Moomins: We don't need no stinkin badges
	10:12am rx scabin: Sessa! Also is on the Bowie tribute.
	10:12am Toutevoix: we also need a letter or a postcard or an image whatever !!! just sayin when you open your mailbox and receive a... surprise letter from american friendly radio sent over atlantic ocean from NY to Italy.... well anyway just to say: I LOVE YOU too there! ♡
	10:12am Trouble: gracias @ cpapapietro
	10:12am Dave: I bike a lot on rail trails in NJ and NY, they all have signs stating “no motorized vehicles “ ,but I’m seeing more and more electric bikes out there. That is something that needs to be addressed
	10:13am sphere: @ Handy, so what would you do if an electric scooter clipped you and sent you to the hospital?
	10:14am Trouble: yes handy, i am conscious of that. I don't want to penalize the people whose lives have been enhanced by electric bikes. i actually want the bikes to make noise , so that would be an industry change that might help people hear them as they speed by.
	10:15am Ben in Long Melford, UK: In the UK... electric bicycles are limited to 250W and 15mph with the same rules as apply to pushbikes, e.g. front and rear lights needed at night, no helmet needed and not allowed on pavements ("sidewalks") and some big roads, and there's no requirement to have a driving licence. Electric scooters (like the little push along ones) are only allowed on certain roads as part of approved rental schemes and you need to have a driving licence to rent them. Private electric scooters are only allowed on private land. You don't really see the rental schemes outside of cities much. The reality is that people ride electric scooters on the road and pavement and the police do very little about it.
	10:15am Adrian in London: Hi Trouble. You’re soundtracking my post-lunch train journey from north to south London. Just crossed over the Thames.
	10:15am βrian: That's what those lovely little bells are for.
	10:15am drr: Electric bikes can't have a bell?
	10:18am Handy Haversack: Suffer? But I'm gonna be a lot better off than most delivery workers in that case. I'm all for regulating manufacturers and tech -- just don't pass the burden to the workers. That's all I'm saying. And time and again, that's exactly what happens. I'm a walker. I am all over NYC, so I dodge these things constantly. It's not like I don't hate their existence! I just get very nervous because the right people never end up being the ones who have to pay.
	10:18am Jeff Golick: Joining late, catching up. Richard Powers wrote a wonderful tree novel (if it hasn't already come up), The Overstory, which made me love trees even more. Hi and thanks, Trouble.
	10:18am Threemoons: Hey. Just catching up on email. Up until almost 3 AM on the phone with best friend from college; HER Mom passed yesterday from pancreatic cancer. HH, thanks for the article linky. RE the park situation--LIC and JC have similar problems; voracious developers trying to pave over every last patch of grass except for a small bit for them to build a private fence around...
	10:19am βrian: I'm thinking more about understory trees now, since our overstory is pretty much covered.
	10:19am Trouble: that sounds magical @ adrian!
	10:20am Zinn The Mood: The most galling part to me of the 1% ruling and ruining our lives is how they get to live in almost total anonymity. A black kid with the weight of institutional racism on his back 24/7 since his /her birth can make one misstep and be on the covers of every local newspaper and dominate tv news. While a little pampered and privileged older white businessman can steal billions from the savings of thousands of working class people and nobody ever sees his face or sees a case built against him or be subjected to a salacious media frenzy of investigation into his whole personal history. There should be a repository of the biggest Wall St Economic Terrorists, complete with tons of intrusive photos and prying onto their personal histories and current whereabouts. So that We The People can organize serious protest that will put some fear into them. That’s the only thing that’s gonna do it, folks!
	10:21am Brendan: Where I’m at in Maryland there’s a trail with a 25 mile an hour speed limit and then closer to DC it drops down to 15 miles an hour. signs stress that this is not a bike path but shared use trail and ask riders to give verbal warning or ring bells when passing others.
	10:21am sphere: Got a good point there, Zinn The Mood.
	10:23am northguineahills: Where electric scooters are everywhere on the sidewalks here, and very few people use the bells. People use normal bikes and electric bikes on the sidewalks all the time too, but if you use streets, you’ll get killed. There was a cyclist killed ina hit and run just 1km from here Sunday.
	10:24am βrian: Verbal warning is the worst on a path. It's inherently confusing noise. Bells are the thing.
	10:24am Handy Haversack: Hey, ngh! We were just wondering how you're doing! And word, Zinn The Mood.
	10:26am drr: As βrian said, even on a bike path where you can expect some spandex bro to pass you and yell at you while doing so, it's uncomfortable when it happens. I guess they think a bell is too wimpy though. Maybe they should have air horns.
	10:27am βrian: "Passing on your south-by-southwest quadrant!"
	10:28am drr: Or maybe a bell adds too much weight to the bike.
	10:28am βrian: "A ta gauche, mon citoyen !"
	10:28am Handy Haversack: Do it like boats: "Passing on the one."
	10:29am Ken From Hyde Park: We need Mary Wing to create a bell app for the phones. "Ding!"
	10:31am Listener Gregory: I walk on a local hiking/bike trail and find regular cyclists to be fairly safe (also a unicyclist who freaks me out every time). But twice I have seen e-bikes zip by without being in full control, on a path that can have wet leaves, mud, the occasional fallen rock, etc., as well as pedestrians around a curve. I think the motor encourages them to set a particular speed at the beginning and not adjust it to specific conditions the way a leg-powered bike automatically does throughout the ride.
	10:33am dk50b: Since Caven Point was purchased with State Green Acres funds in 1978, any change removing it from public access and destroying its natural status requires authorization from the NJ Dept of Environmental Protection. Aside from it being an irreplaceable surviving wetland and ecological resource, many don't realize Liberty State Park is by far the most visited. In 2019, to get a pre-COVID perspective, with almost 5 million people, it easily tops D&R Canal State Park's 1.3 million. That's evidence of both the popularity of LSP's attractions, and Hudson County's lack of open space.
	10:33am Doug in JC: Licensing, classes, registration, insurance doesn't produce good drivers
	10:33am Listener Gregory: Brandee Younger has been a great pandemic discovery.
	10:34am joe mulligan: the yield triangle: www.fs.usda.gov...
	10:35am joe mulligan: and e-bikers need to yield to everyone
	10:38am joe mulligan: I have a spandex bike friend who only dings the bell. causes confusion accidents, and mad hikers/walkers. cyclists need to give very far/advance warning of which side they're passing. and say thank you after you pass
	10:39am βrian: On which side? And what language should they use?
	10:39am Mike W.: I left NYC because I felt certain my dog and me were gonna get hit by an electric bike on the sidewalk. Otherwise, Handy, you have my vote. [dwarf voice] AND MY AXE
	10:40am Doug in JC: I will never get over people losing their minds over e-bikes while cars kill 40,000 people a year in this country. And rising!
	10:42am Handy Haversack: I certainly feel in more danger from regular bikes. All anecdotal, but the yuppie cyclists seem a lot less aware. Full disclosure: I do not know how to ride a bike of any kind. [arm clasps Mike W., grimly confronts the struggle to come]
	10:45am Mike W.: Doug, but cars are seen as essential in most places, whereas 2-wheelers (and the ability to walk) are so endemic to life in NYC (and JC I presume). Plus the auto industry (and their friends in fossil fuels) opposes everything they can in perpetuity. They don’t care about safety or safe drivers, they only care about keeping on selling cars.
	10:46am joe mulligan: @βrian I usually pass on the left unless the situation makes passing on the right safer for the walker. A basic "I'll be passing on your left" about 10-20 yards away is courteous. and in Swahili.
	10:47am Mike W.: Handy I’d have followed you to the gates of Mordor itself. Oh, we’re all still headed that way? All right then. [sharpens axe]
	10:48am Handy Haversack: Follow me to deleted scenes and extra footage -- and despair!!
	10:48am sphere: Trouble, I have had a real rough week and your show has been a real balm on my soul. Thanks.
	10:48am joe mulligan: most of the time I keep repeating "i'll be passing on your left" as I get closer, because everyone's hearing is differnt with earbuds etc and sometimes the walkers dont process it till they've heard the warning four times
	10:48am Zipperhead7: Yeah, this Burnt Sugar track is groovalicious!
	10:49am Listener Gregory: I recognize that I'm far more likely to be killed by a car than by a bike. But that doesn't mean that I want to be hit by a bike. The more bikes we have in our society, the better. But bike riders also need to take safety seriously.
	10:49am Trouble: happy to help @ sphere. i need some serious balm action myself...
	10:49am Doug in JC: 50% of JC/NYC don't drive, and some significant portion of the remainder hardly use their cars during the week. Yet the sheer amount of space and capital improvements and subsidies given to drivers dwarfs what's given to the rest of us despite the carnage and pollution they bring to the world
	10:51am adampsyche: hey trouble this is great
	10:51am Trouble: @doug in JC: until municipalities make mass transit available in all directions(not just going into NYC) hudson county will be filled with cars, sorry to say. I can drive my car to work and it takes typically 30 minutes or i can take 2 buses and a train and it takes 90 minutes...
	10:52am Threemoons: Getting the MTA to actually fix public transportation unfortunately has given rise to a worst possible case scenario for non-car-owning, non-biking pedestrians -- bike lanes that only make traffic worse , therefore more bikes, e-bikes, scooters, etc on the sidewalks. I can't ride a bike and it's not practical for most people who actually WORK in Manhattan but live in the outer boros....
	10:52am johnec: @Listener Gregory at 10:33 - Cheers to that! And thank you Trouble! I hadn't heard of her before your show but lately have been listening to her records fairly regularly
	10:53am Jason from Houston: Good morning, good people.
	10:54am Doug in JC: Bike lanes don't make traffic worse, cars make traffic worse. It's a simple geometry problem. One person in a 3000 pound steel box trying to move around a dense city is a silly way to run things
	10:54am Handy Haversack: Weren't we all supposed to have flying brooms by now, Jason?!
	10:55am Doug in JC: @Handy Yeah, we've already got the black cats!
	10:56am Jason from Houston: Ugh. That's on me. Sorry. Hang tight and I will see what I can do.
	10:56am Listener Gregory: I held off as long as I could: @Trouble, you were a bit impilsive in your spelling of impulse!
	10:56am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): hey, Trouble and folx! My broom is at the shop.
	10:57am Threemoons: @Doug alas it is what it is right now. The streets near me are a mess, and the subways are crumbling. They closed down our line for almost 2 years and didn't even bother to put in an elevator and bring it up to ADA standards.
	10:57am Handy Haversack: Doug, we also remembered yesterday that before we got the kittens, we shredded all the accumulated shreddables. And then for some reason hung on to the resulting confetti ... "because kittens." What are we thinking?! We really might do this thing!
	10:58am Andres: This will all get better when everyone has an electric flying car.
	10:58am Ken From Hyde Park: You need to get with the '20s, Baba Bee, and ride around on a Roomba.
	10:58am YETI BOB: Hey BabaBee, how's the weather out on the left coast? It's gloomy and raining here.
	10:58am Threemoons: @HH I NEED videos of kittens playing in shredded utility bills.
	10:58am YETI BOB: (here = North Coast)
	10:59am βrian: When roombas do stairwells, I'll consider one.
	11:00am Megaroni: Thank you for sharing about Libertad SP!
	11:00am βrian: @YB: I'm not too far from the Third Coast.
	11:00am drr: @joe mulligan: I can see the logic of telling the person you're passing where you are. That's what I do actually (though I'm a slow biker, I doubt I've ever passed a biker). My point was that it sometimes comes across as confrontational, even though you just mean to be helpful. But you're right, it's more information than just a bell. I just need to toughen up, I suppose.
	11:01am Toutevoix: riding a normal road bike thru the city to get out of it on two legs that's when you realize how agressive and violent car drivers can be....sadly, maybe they think I'm allways on holidays biking my life, well...yes indeed! One thing is also that I saw so many people on electric bike that in fact doesn't really know about riding a bike anymore and they can become dangerous for the others...till the batt is empty then... cia ciao out there!
	11:02am βrian: The problem is that it's more information than a bell.
	11:02am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): KFHP: oh, can we have races!?!?
	11:04am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): YETI BOB: checked outside just now and it is very cold and wet, but the wild winds and pounding rain are taking a break for a moment. stay cozy!
	11:05am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Happy Genuflect-Before-the-Military-While-Supporting-Fascism Day everybody!
	11:08am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): Have you hugged your fascist today?
	11:08am joe mulligan: @drr it's funny, I always tell walkers I'm passing, but over the years I've been telling cyclists less often for that reason. most bikers can tell when another cyclist is passing them if it's done safely, and the announcement sometimes comes off as "I'm going faster than you" which is dopey
	11:09am Handy Haversack: Threemoons: right?! Woods, did you get the holiday cards mailed in time?
	11:11am Webhamster Henry: Just wanted to post on 11/11 at 11:11 am. Carry on.
	11:12am drr: @joe mulligan: "On your left, loser!" That's how it usually sounds to me. I need therapy.
	11:12am βrian: We've got almost an hour to do that here. Then it's on to the Mountain folks, the Pacific folks, ...
	11:15am i₭Ɇ: Sounding good!
	11:16am βrian: Whereas a sonorous "Boops boops!" is universally understood. en.wikipedia.org...
	11:16am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): yeah, we're still steeping the tea over here, people
	11:17am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): Shout out to the Mountain folx— "the marginalized time zone," as a pal of mine there calls it
	11:18am drr: TIL about Boops boops
	11:19am drr: That Linnaeus was a card.
	11:21am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): I've had this candle salad avatar since Cha Cha Heels a week ago, and it really doesn't read in that tiny little box.
	11:24am eva: good morning!
	11:24am Zipperhead7: Plastic . . . abut 20 years ago MOMA planned an exhibit on plastic. So they went to their warehoused holdings and discovered some of the oldest pieces had decomposed into puddles of toxic gick.
	11:27am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): ewwww
	11:29am Listening Out There: @zipperhead7: Nitrate filmstock in silent films generally does the same thing, i.e. liquify and, sometimes, combust....
	11:29am Ken From Hyde Park: I wonder if there are plans for creating the Tomb of the Unknown Comic, when the time comes. His estimated age is 76 now.
	11:31am joe mulligan: @drr you're not alone.. I'm a fast biker and it always ruffles me when someone calls it out, esp if I'm "soft pedaling" not going hard.
	11:32am Zipperhead7: @ listening -- Yeah. Bill Morrison's "Decasia" assembled from nitrate stock is total mindwarp
	11:32am Jason from Houston: OHHHHH YESSSSSSSSSS
	11:33am Jason from Houston: ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡
	11:34am Stanley: This song takes me back to simpler times. Thanks Trouble
	11:34am drr: @zipperhead7: A problem that has long plagued Pez dispenser collectors.
	11:35am Pascal Arles: Holy mackerel, thanks Trouble! Bangers from start to finish, a big Merci from here in South France. Cheers!
	11:35am joe mulligan: superfun show today Trouble! I almost forgot about fun boy three!
	11:35am nurse t: love this song!
	11:35am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Handy: Ha, yes!! I'm trimming them up and turning them into party hats.
	11:35am Handy Haversack: I started my normal walk over the bridge today, pulling my book out and opening as is my wont. I am a fast walker -- and alert. Head on a swivel. Not like the phone drones. Anyway, I immediately passed another pedestrian who felt the need to comment, "That's a pretty fast walk while reading!" I said, "Eh. The bridge goes straight." And left him in my dust. Excellent, excellent book, too: The Hearing Trumpet, by Leonora Carrington. Had been OOP, but NYROB reissued last year.
	11:36am Andres: Later on, check out the extended version (6:08) of this FB3. It is a party!!
	11:37am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Handy: Re: walking...you might like this book -> www.amazon.com...
	11:38am Handy Haversack: Thanks, Woods!
	11:39am sphere: @ Handy - it is a true art to walk while reading. :)
	11:39am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): He's the guy who walked solo across Antarctica. Really interesting writer.
	11:40am YETI BOB: Handy - maybe it's a good thing you don't ride a bike!
	11:43am Trouble: thanks@joemulligan. remember fb3!!!
	11:43am Mike W.: Yes Birdmonsieur! Bring it full avian!
	11:44am Dances with Moomins: Talking about the art of walking and reading, I saw a woman one afternoon ( apparently going home from work ) she was reading while walking her bike. The handlebars turned out to be a good place to keep the book open! I smiled ear to ear.
	11:46am Mike W.: I know it’s out of season and probably not eligible (if I were to read the by-laws etc, which I won’t) but I’m awarding Handy’s tweets on today’s chatatat board with the Palme D’Or
	11:47am Handy Haversack: I want to thank the Academy Fight Song ...
	11:47am YETI BOB: I'm not judging you, Handy
	11:47am Mike W.: It’s an award for a movie, see, and
	11:48am Jason from Houston: Whoa! Great painter! How is the book?
	11:50am ?: There's also one more aspect of people commuting in their respective way, and that is there's a three way out of sync speed movement and mindset between the motorist the cyclist and the pedestrian. and even though everyone is aware of this difference their mind is currently occupied with dealing with their own particular method of operating of movement and just want to get to point b from point A with minimal hassle. For example the motorist is in sync with other motorists and therefore don't want to be bothered with having to readjust that sync to accommodate a cyclist or pedestrian. And so goes the same viewpoint from a cyclist and The pedestrian of all whom don't want to be interrupted with a constant change with the simple task of just trying to move along, therefore people are always getting irritated with each other that leads to frustration and the loss of patience which is a prime ingredients that makes the three-way out of sync commuters all just an accident waiting to happen at one time or another unfortunately on a daily basis as we all know. They say patience is a virtue, well commuting has got to be one of the biggest ongoing testing of that virtue.
	11:50am Jason from Houston: Just reading about it now. On my want list for sure.
	11:50am Handy Haversack: Jason, it's fantastic. The hero is a 92-year-old vegetarian widow. The Knights Templar are involved.
	11:50am Andres: You read about “Nimblewill Nomad”? The oldest person to complete the Appalachian Trail.
	11:51am Jason from Houston: Perfect.
	11:51am YETI BOB: ?: So true, as someone who has a car, a bike, and walks a lot I've noticed how my perspective changes: "Damn cars!" - "Damn bikers" - "Damn pedestrians!" - of course the answer is patience, compassion and mutual understanding (once again)
	11:51am Jason from Houston: LOL Reading The Hearing Trumpet liberates us from the miserable reality of our days. —Luis Buñuel
	11:52am Special_Vessels: @Andres: I read about that!
	11:52am headlesscolin: ayyyy
	11:52am D Rok: I picked up this anadol album well over a year ago, and have since almost forgotten about it. Thanks for playing this, and reminding me how phenomenal it is!
	11:53am Special_Vessels: @D Rok: I second that e-motion
	11:54am Andres: Special_Vessels: There was an interview with him on CBC program As It Happens yesterday. A kind and determined fellow!
	11:54am YETI BOB: "There are two cardinal human vices, from which all the others derive their being: impatience and carelessness. Impatience got people evicted from Paradise; carelessness kept them from making their way back there. Or perhaps there is only one cardinal vice: impatience. Impatience got people evicted, and impatience kept them from making their way back." [Franz Kakfa, tr. Michael Hofmann]
	11:55am YETI BOB: Think about that next time you are stuck in traffic...
	11:55am Special_Vessels: Andres: I clicked the NYT link through to read the ultra-light gear list on his website and found a section dedicated to his collected works of poetry, very sweet indeed
	11:55am Handy Haversack: YB, is there a shorter version?
	11:55am Special_Vessels: @Handy: Which book is this you're recommening??
	11:56am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Handy: Yes, I think it's "Relax, Francis"
	11:56am YETI BOB: HH: Yes in fact - "All human errors stem from impatience, a premature breaking off of a methodical approach, an ostensible pinning down of an ostensible object."
	11:56am βrian: Coming up on the hour: Continental Subway with David Dichelle wfmu.org...
	11:57am Handy Haversack: Crap, it got so late! Trouble, what a great show! Thanks so much. And thanks for hosting the chit-chattery! @Special_Vessels: The Hearing Trumpet, by Leonora Carrington Stay Troubled, everyone! Really glad to have spent this time with youse!
	11:57am YETI BOB: (Zurau Aphorisms, #3 and #2, in order of my quoting them. Kafka actually crossed out #3 in his manuscript, perhaps because #2 says pretty much the same thing, more succincly - leaving out the Paradise bit)
	11:58am Trouble: merci@ handy! thanks everybody for sitting in today. ciao meow
	11:59am Skyline chili: Sorry, I was ? who composed the three way out of sync speech. Glad that you agreed with it Yeti Bob. Once in awhile I managed to pull one out of the hat.
	11:59am YETI BOB: now it's time to say goodbye to the whole Troubled family - T R O ... ("Oh, it's nearly over!") - U B L ... )"L? Why the L not?") ... E!
	11:59am Special_Vessels: @Trouble: Amazing show, love to you all
	11:59am listener james from westwood: Thanks, Trouble!
	12:00pm Zipperhead7: Yes, thanks Trouble. Terrific show as always
	12:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Trouble. Free Caven Point!
	12:00pm 12539: Thanks, Trouble!
	12:01pm Jason from Houston: Many thanks, Trouble!
	12:01pm Skyline chili: Enjoyed the show troubly wobblyBye
	12:01pm jdaAndAnoukFromKöln: and bye
	12:01pm radioronan: Thanks Trouble!
	2:24pm scoots: city of denver scooters , and i love them! https://www.denvergov.org/Government/Agencies-Departments-Offices/Department-of-Transportation-and-Infrastructure/Programs-Services/Micromobility-Program

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November 11, 2021: power to the people in the stacks

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Format	Comments	New	Approx. start time
sandy bull	gospel tune "gospel tune" by "sandy bull"	fantasias	vanguard					0:00:00 (Pop-up)
molto	depart "depart" by "molto"	contre de rencontre	meakusma				*	0:09:42 (Pop-up)
liz durette	end of suite "end of suite" by "liz durette"	delight	feeding tube					0:12:35 (Pop-up)
fatima al qadiri	stolen kiss of a succubus	medieval femme	hyberdub				*	0:22:35 (Pop-up)
mabe fratti	en medio "en medio" by "mabe fratti"	Será Que Ahora Podremos Entendernos	unheard of hope			peach vinyl.....sigh	*	0:26:16 (Pop-up)

chris bell	speed of sound "speed of sound" by "chris bell"	i am the cosmos	ryko					0:38:55 (Pop-up)
Maki Asakawa	Konna Fu Ni Sugite Iku No Nara	Even A Tree Can Shed Tears: Japanese Folk & Rock 1969-1973	Light In The Attic					0:43:55 (Pop-up)
jeff parker, the new breed	soul love	v.a modern love	BBE					0:47:58 (Pop-up)
francoise hardy	l'amitie "l'amitie" by "francoise hardy"	l'amitie	vogue		7"			0:52:26 (Pop-up)
peter thomas sound orchestra	pet sounds	Caroline Now! The Songs of Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys	marina					0:54:46 (Pop-up)
the durutti column	at first sight	short stories for pauline	benelux					0:58:44 (Pop-up)

ann cole	easy easy baby "easy easy baby" by "ann cole"	such a much! r&b girls of the 50's and 60's v/a	croydon municipal					1:08:15 (Pop-up)
sessa	tanto "tanto" by "sessa"	grandeza	boiled records					1:10:14 (Pop-up)
bid	mandinqueira, instituto remix feat elza soares	giles peterson in brazil	ether records					1:14:13 (Pop-up)
Brian Jackson, Ali Shaheed Muhammad, Adrian Younge	nancy wilson	8	jazz is dead				*	1:20:05 (Pop-up)
rotary connection	we're going wrong	songs	cadet					1:22:45 (Pop-up)
Moor Mother & Billy Woods	the blues remembers everything the country forgot	brass	backwoodzstudioz				*	1:25:46 (Pop-up)
brandee younger	love & struggle "love & struggle" by "brandee younger"	somewhere different	impulse!				*	1:28:26 (Pop-up)
burnt sugar the arkestra chamber	angels over oakanda	angels over oakanda	burnt sugar the Arkestra Chamber				*	1:33:53 (Pop-up)
Amira Saqati	habibati "habibati" by "Amira Saqati"	destination halal	barraka el farnatshi/brokensilence				*	1:52:20 (Pop-up)

frank chickens	yellow toast ( burnt mix)	Yellow Toast 12"	Flying Lecords			thanks Emily!!		2:03:02 (Pop-up)
gramme	like u "like u" by "gramme"	rehab 12"	output		12"			2:09:08 (Pop-up)
orquesta akokan	4 de octubre "4 de octubre" by "orquesta akokan"	16 rayos	daptone				*	2:13:14 (Pop-up)
Plunky & The Oneness of Juju	plastic ( previously unreleased version)	make a change	strut	1980/2021			*	2:18:48 (Pop-up)
eboni band	Sing a Happy Song (Shake It Down)	eboni band	eboni band	1980				2:24:22 (Pop-up)
fun boy three	our lips are sealed	waiting	Chrysalis					2:31:19 (Pop-up)
dragons	dazhai "dazhai" by "dragons"	parfums de la revolution	blitkreig	1982				2:34:45 (Pop-up)

sharon van etten	Femme Fatale "Femme Fatale" by "sharon van etten"	I'll Be Your Mirror: A Tribute to the Velvet Underground & Nico	verve				*	2:42:09 (Pop-up)
anadol	Ay Curudu "Ay Curudu" by "anadol"	Uzun Havalar	Pingipung					2:46:57 (Pop-up)
grouper	disordered minds "disordered minds" by "grouper"	shade	kranky				*	2:54:30 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:23pm Trouble: Good Morning nature lovers! Liberty State Park is not yet protected from Billionaire Fireman's attempt to grab Caven Point to enlarge his luxury golf course. Please call NJ Assembly Speaker Craig Coughlin (732-855-7441) and ask him to post the Liberty State Park Protection Act Bill # A2189 on the Assembly Agriculture & Natural Resources Committee agenda, and for Speaker Coughlin to strongly support this protection act without any exemptions for the Caven Point natural area. To override Fireman's purchasing of phone bots to falsify support for his land grab, please give your opinion on why we need to protect Liberty State Park from this sort of private theft and what Liberty State Park means to you, Jersey City and people all over New Jersey. Please insist on leaving your name, town and phone # to solidify that you are a real person who cares. Merci!
	8:58am βrian: A cold, rainy day on the isthmus today. Good Morning.
	9:00am Handy Haversack: Good Thursday morning, Trouble and all the Troubled. Sounds like that's heading our way, βrian, but it's pretty nice here today.
	9:01am listener james from westwood: Morning, Trouble and all!
	9:01am YETI BOB: loving it already
	9:02am Doug in JC: Thank you for your LSP advocacy! I found a yet-unidentified member of the gourd family growing in the park yesterday. I later learned that zucchini and pumpkins are the same species!
	9:03am Dances with Moomins: Good morning New Jersey, Trouble, and troubled listeners world wide.
	9:03am Doug in JC: I also found out that wasps LOVE the sugary excretions from lanternflies and I was prevented from engaging in my usual killing spree
	9:04am YETI BOB: Doug: What? Next you're going to tell me broccoli and brussels sprouts are the same thing
	9:04am Special_Vessels: Morning Trouble and troubadours! Just got back from a windy dip in the sea, happy to be with y'all here in Tel Aviv :)
	9:04am karlward: YETI BOB: ... wait ... are they?
	9:04am YETI BOB: Doug: But seriously, never knew that about squashes. Interesting.
	9:04am Doug in JC: You're Brassica Bob from now on
	9:05am Zipperhead7: Hi folks! Nice start with Sandy Bull. Love his version of "Memphis" too
	9:05am Handy Haversack: Flammable the same as inflammable? What a country! Also, in Italian, pumpkin = "zucca." Zucchini = "little pumpkin."
	9:06am Robm: Good morning fellow trouble makers
	9:06am Doug in JC: Handy, that's amazing
	9:06am YETI BOB: And Zuccotti Park = Pumpkin Park! All the pieces are falling into place now.
	9:06am Skyline chili: Holy shades of CCR
	9:07am Handy Haversack: It was Barzini all along!
	9:07am duvignau: Hola Trouble! Te amo. Saludos desde la Ciudad de México. ARRIBA!
	9:07am Toutevoix: Italo-american zucchini buongiorno tutti
	9:07am Special_Vessels: @Handy LOLOL
	9:08am βrian: Zucchini are also the same as courgettes, with the exception that the latter has a higher menu price.
	9:08am Strandlund: Good Morning Trouble...Love the Milton Avery. One of my favorites!!
	9:08am Ken From Hyde Park: Good morning, Trouble. Plover povver!
	9:08am Irene Trudel: G' Morning, Trouble and Modern World-ers! Good guitar to get us going.
	9:12am oscarfate: I'm a real person, who cares
	9:13am Listener Gregory: Alternate title for "Gospel Tune": "Ray Charles Medley." Good morning, all.
	9:16am Skyline chili: @Irene Trudel: How do you feel about swapping your first name with trouble. That way your name will be Trouble Trudel. Has a ring to it, don't you think.
	9:18am Mike W.: I am happy to be here, happy to be anywhere today really
	9:19am jdaAndAnoukFromKöln: KÖLLE alaaf!
	9:26am drowsy: This has been an amazing 20 minutes, thank you Trouble!
	9:28am Trouble: merci @ drowsy
	9:29am Webhamster Henry: Good Troubly Morning, Modernaires!
	9:33am brbrbits89: Nice Portuguese 😍
	9:36am Irene Trudel: @Skyline chill, I don't think that really works for me. It's a personality thing. I'm kinda the opposite of trouble.
	9:37am Mike W.: [one year from now] “Hello everyone in double-ya FMUland, I’m Trouble and this is The Modern World, and this is my first live on-air 3-hour cello performance...”
	9:37am Listener Robert: Who owns that tract of land now?
	9:38am Mike W.: Safety Trudel
	9:39am BillyLundun: billionaire fireman sounds like a super villian!
	9:39am Irene Trudel: Hah, Mike!
	9:39am Ken From Hyde Park: Assemblyman Coughlin's site: www.njleg.state.nj.us...
	9:40am Trouble: caven park is part of liberty state park right now @ listener Robert
	9:40am Listener Robert: So it's a question of whether the state wants to sell to him?
	9:41am Irene Trudel: Trouble, thanks for focusing on this issue with Liberty State Park. I still remember when it first opened, and how excited I was that something beautiful could be created there. Can people who live out of state weigh in?
	9:41am Mike W.: “Who owns that land right now” is the kind of question that illuminates how badly wrong humanity went when we first started selling off the commons.
	9:42am Trouble: you got it @ mike w!
	9:42am Doug in JC: Right now the DEP has authority to "lease out" whatever parts of LSP they wish to. Every year someone comes out with a land use proposal that the DEP is required to consider and the community needs to band together to oppose it. The Protection Act would prevent us from having to spend so much money fending off greedy people like Paul Fireman
	9:42am Hydroplane: What part of the land is it near liberty state park?
	9:43am Trouble: yes@irene! that is the point of how magical liberty state park is, and why it is a jewel to be preserved as is
	9:43am Hydroplane: in question
	9:43am Doug in JC: money + energy. didn't proofread
	9:44am Doug in JC: @Hydroplane There's a map of the tract here: www.shaynamarchese.com...
	9:44am Hydroplane: Thanks
	9:44am Listener Gregory: Proofreading requires money OR energy,@Doug.
	9:47am Mike W.: tired: time machine to go back and kill baby Hitler wired: time machine to go back to feudal times and wipe out the so-called nobility
	9:47am Handy Haversack: Some amazing shots, Doug. That yellow-crowned night heron!
	9:49am Doug in JC: She really puts the work in, Handy!
	9:49am Nate in Detroit: @trouble semi-related to your park story, yesterday someone (a realtor i think) completely slashed the incredible garden and 2 beautiful mature magnolia trees in my former neighbor's back yard. It had been overgrown and definitely needed work, but it was heartbreaking to see the entire thing mowed down. It was one of my favorite yards in the neighborhood, one of the few places with enough plant life to provide cover for wildlife. I was literally shaking as i walked by this morning.
	9:49am catherine: CAlled Congressman Coughlin's office - no answer and voicemiail said his mailbox is full
	9:50am Hydroplane: Developers and conservatives view land like that as if it is just an empty lot, like a desolate patch of nothing. Claims about it being a haven for birds and wildlife sound to them like arbitrary excuses to not do something with the clearly "wasted space" as far I can tell.
	9:51am Trouble: o noooooooo! that sounds horrible@ nate indetroit. i do not understand people's lack of thought and care about how important trees are in an urban space. ugh!
	9:51am Ken From Hyde Park: @catherine - If it's helpful, the link I posted @9:39 provides an email option.
	9:52am Hydroplane: People view trees as decor that is barely worth the trouble of dealing with. All nature is just shit in the way to them. They'd all rather have parking lots with fake potted plants and crate and barrel outdoor furniture than trees and nature. Because you know, that stuff is such a hassle! Ugh
	9:53am upstatesean: Hey Trouble, everyone! Finally getting to listen live on this Veterans Day :)
	9:55am Zinn The Mood: Nice playlist, T. Riding to Rockaway Beach with the kids who are off today for Armistice Day. Oops, forgot we live in the land of incessant war propaganda - Veterans Day.
	9:55am Doug in JC: One positive effect of the fight has been the number of people in the area who had never heard of Caven Point who come out to explore it and see what the big deal is, then find out what a wonderful place it is
	9:56am Hydroplane: Sorry it gets me so mad how finicky people are about trees. Trees create a sense of space, and facilitate so much else like nature and fresh air etc and people will take down trees for the pettiest reasons.
	9:56am Doug in JC: Zinn, are you chewing out a rhythm on your bubblegum?
	9:56am catherine: @ken from Hyde Park Thank you, email sent
	9:58am βrian: My problem is that we've planted so many trees that we don't have room for more. The birds are quite happy. Many new pathways.
	10:00am listener james from westwood: No mistaking Durutti Column. Bliss.
	10:01am Zinn The Mood: To your fundamental point about the Rich running roughshod over our lives in whatever way they please: As part of my own agitprop I’d like to wear a combination Che Guevara T-shirt underneath with a “tax the rich” button on an unbuttoned army fatigue long sleeve shirt. Sort of a successive suggestion. That if we don’t tax the rich the next step is what Che had in mind - and accomplished.
	10:03am cpapapietro: What a great set!!!
	10:05am Andrew Hollywood: I luv Sex Ed. Be more like Eric <3
	10:06am Zinn The Mood: @Doug The sun is out, and I want some.
	10:07am jdaAndAnoukFromKöln: those 20km/h scooters have a number plate
	10:08am jdaAndAnoukFromKöln: + insurance – no helmet
	10:08am Mike W.: Everything said about e-bikes should also go for dogs.
	10:09am Dances with Moomins: Aren't we blusey today! Nice
	10:09am Mike W.: As far as, a dog is something ignorant people don’t know (or in some cases care) about keeping safely.
	10:09am Handy Haversack: Crucial reading on the oppression and resistance of NYC's delivery people who rely on those electric bikes for survival in an on-demand economy that enables the instant and cheap gratification of whims for the moneyed at the expense, over and over, of the workers: www.theverge.com... Ditch all your apps.
	10:10am Zipperhead7: Orwell wrote an excellent piece on enclosure in England: "Stop to consider how the so-called owners of the land got hold of it. They simply seized it by force, afterwards hiring lawyers to provide them with title-deeds. In the case of the enclosure of the common lands, which was going on from about 1600 to 1850, the land-grabbers did not even have the excuse of being foreign conquerors; they were quite frankly taking the heritage of their own countrymen, upon no sort of pretext except that they had the power to do so."
	10:11am Andres: Cue the The Treasure of the Sierra Madre quote.
	10:11am Handy Haversack: But licensing, classes, registration, insurance -- all things easy enough for the wealthy and impossible for the workers for whom currently those bikes are survival tools. Don't treat the symptom by regulating the bikes. Treat the disease by regulating the venture-capital-funded gig-economy master class that relies on worker oppression to show any sort of return for its corrupt shareholders.
	10:11am sphere: Hello. Trouble, here’s an 2019 article about Fairfax County, Virginia’s implementation of electric scooters: ggwash.org...
	10:12am Dances with Moomins: We don't need no stinkin badges
	10:12am rx scabin: Sessa! Also is on the Bowie tribute.
	10:12am Toutevoix: we also need a letter or a postcard or an image whatever !!! just sayin when you open your mailbox and receive a... surprise letter from american friendly radio sent over atlantic ocean from NY to Italy.... well anyway just to say: I LOVE YOU too there! ♡
	10:12am Trouble: gracias @ cpapapietro
	10:12am Dave: I bike a lot on rail trails in NJ and NY, they all have signs stating “no motorized vehicles “ ,but I’m seeing more and more electric bikes out there. That is something that needs to be addressed
	10:13am sphere: @ Handy, so what would you do if an electric scooter clipped you and sent you to the hospital?
	10:14am Trouble: yes handy, i am conscious of that. I don't want to penalize the people whose lives have been enhanced by electric bikes. i actually want the bikes to make noise , so that would be an industry change that might help people hear them as they speed by.
	10:15am Ben in Long Melford, UK: In the UK... electric bicycles are limited to 250W and 15mph with the same rules as apply to pushbikes, e.g. front and rear lights needed at night, no helmet needed and not allowed on pavements ("sidewalks") and some big roads, and there's no requirement to have a driving licence. Electric scooters (like the little push along ones) are only allowed on certain roads as part of approved rental schemes and you need to have a driving licence to rent them. Private electric scooters are only allowed on private land. You don't really see the rental schemes outside of cities much. The reality is that people ride electric scooters on the road and pavement and the police do very little about it.
	10:15am Adrian in London: Hi Trouble. You’re soundtracking my post-lunch train journey from north to south London. Just crossed over the Thames.
	10:15am βrian: That's what those lovely little bells are for.
	10:15am drr: Electric bikes can't have a bell?
	10:18am Handy Haversack: Suffer? But I'm gonna be a lot better off than most delivery workers in that case. I'm all for regulating manufacturers and tech -- just don't pass the burden to the workers. That's all I'm saying. And time and again, that's exactly what happens. I'm a walker. I am all over NYC, so I dodge these things constantly. It's not like I don't hate their existence! I just get very nervous because the right people never end up being the ones who have to pay.
	10:18am Jeff Golick: Joining late, catching up. Richard Powers wrote a wonderful tree novel (if it hasn't already come up), The Overstory, which made me love trees even more. Hi and thanks, Trouble.
	10:18am Threemoons: Hey. Just catching up on email. Up until almost 3 AM on the phone with best friend from college; HER Mom passed yesterday from pancreatic cancer. HH, thanks for the article linky. RE the park situation--LIC and JC have similar problems; voracious developers trying to pave over every last patch of grass except for a small bit for them to build a private fence around...
	10:19am βrian: I'm thinking more about understory trees now, since our overstory is pretty much covered.
	10:19am Trouble: that sounds magical @ adrian!
	10:20am Zinn The Mood: The most galling part to me of the 1% ruling and ruining our lives is how they get to live in almost total anonymity. A black kid with the weight of institutional racism on his back 24/7 since his /her birth can make one misstep and be on the covers of every local newspaper and dominate tv news. While a little pampered and privileged older white businessman can steal billions from the savings of thousands of working class people and nobody ever sees his face or sees a case built against him or be subjected to a salacious media frenzy of investigation into his whole personal history. There should be a repository of the biggest Wall St Economic Terrorists, complete with tons of intrusive photos and prying onto their personal histories and current whereabouts. So that We The People can organize serious protest that will put some fear into them. That’s the only thing that’s gonna do it, folks!
	10:21am Brendan: Where I’m at in Maryland there’s a trail with a 25 mile an hour speed limit and then closer to DC it drops down to 15 miles an hour. signs stress that this is not a bike path but shared use trail and ask riders to give verbal warning or ring bells when passing others.
	10:21am sphere: Got a good point there, Zinn The Mood.
	10:23am northguineahills: Where electric scooters are everywhere on the sidewalks here, and very few people use the bells. People use normal bikes and electric bikes on the sidewalks all the time too, but if you use streets, you’ll get killed. There was a cyclist killed ina hit and run just 1km from here Sunday.
	10:24am βrian: Verbal warning is the worst on a path. It's inherently confusing noise. Bells are the thing.
	10:24am Handy Haversack: Hey, ngh! We were just wondering how you're doing! And word, Zinn The Mood.
	10:26am drr: As βrian said, even on a bike path where you can expect some spandex bro to pass you and yell at you while doing so, it's uncomfortable when it happens. I guess they think a bell is too wimpy though. Maybe they should have air horns.
	10:27am βrian: "Passing on your south-by-southwest quadrant!"
	10:28am drr: Or maybe a bell adds too much weight to the bike.
	10:28am βrian: "A ta gauche, mon citoyen !"
	10:28am Handy Haversack: Do it like boats: "Passing on the one."
	10:29am Ken From Hyde Park: We need Mary Wing to create a bell app for the phones. "Ding!"
	10:31am Listener Gregory: I walk on a local hiking/bike trail and find regular cyclists to be fairly safe (also a unicyclist who freaks me out every time). But twice I have seen e-bikes zip by without being in full control, on a path that can have wet leaves, mud, the occasional fallen rock, etc., as well as pedestrians around a curve. I think the motor encourages them to set a particular speed at the beginning and not adjust it to specific conditions the way a leg-powered bike automatically does throughout the ride.
	10:33am dk50b: Since Caven Point was purchased with State Green Acres funds in 1978, any change removing it from public access and destroying its natural status requires authorization from the NJ Dept of Environmental Protection. Aside from it being an irreplaceable surviving wetland and ecological resource, many don't realize Liberty State Park is by far the most visited. In 2019, to get a pre-COVID perspective, with almost 5 million people, it easily tops D&R Canal State Park's 1.3 million. That's evidence of both the popularity of LSP's attractions, and Hudson County's lack of open space.
	10:33am Doug in JC: Licensing, classes, registration, insurance doesn't produce good drivers
	10:33am Listener Gregory: Brandee Younger has been a great pandemic discovery.
	10:34am joe mulligan: the yield triangle: www.fs.usda.gov...
	10:35am joe mulligan: and e-bikers need to yield to everyone
	10:38am joe mulligan: I have a spandex bike friend who only dings the bell. causes confusion accidents, and mad hikers/walkers. cyclists need to give very far/advance warning of which side they're passing. and say thank you after you pass
	10:39am βrian: On which side? And what language should they use?
	10:39am Mike W.: I left NYC because I felt certain my dog and me were gonna get hit by an electric bike on the sidewalk. Otherwise, Handy, you have my vote. [dwarf voice] AND MY AXE
	10:40am Doug in JC: I will never get over people losing their minds over e-bikes while cars kill 40,000 people a year in this country. And rising!
	10:42am Handy Haversack: I certainly feel in more danger from regular bikes. All anecdotal, but the yuppie cyclists seem a lot less aware. Full disclosure: I do not know how to ride a bike of any kind. [arm clasps Mike W., grimly confronts the struggle to come]
	10:45am Mike W.: Doug, but cars are seen as essential in most places, whereas 2-wheelers (and the ability to walk) are so endemic to life in NYC (and JC I presume). Plus the auto industry (and their friends in fossil fuels) opposes everything they can in perpetuity. They don’t care about safety or safe drivers, they only care about keeping on selling cars.
	10:46am joe mulligan: @βrian I usually pass on the left unless the situation makes passing on the right safer for the walker. A basic "I'll be passing on your left" about 10-20 yards away is courteous. and in Swahili.
	10:47am Mike W.: Handy I’d have followed you to the gates of Mordor itself. Oh, we’re all still headed that way? All right then. [sharpens axe]
	10:48am Handy Haversack: Follow me to deleted scenes and extra footage -- and despair!!
	10:48am sphere: Trouble, I have had a real rough week and your show has been a real balm on my soul. Thanks.
	10:48am joe mulligan: most of the time I keep repeating "i'll be passing on your left" as I get closer, because everyone's hearing is differnt with earbuds etc and sometimes the walkers dont process it till they've heard the warning four times
	10:48am Zipperhead7: Yeah, this Burnt Sugar track is groovalicious!
	10:49am Listener Gregory: I recognize that I'm far more likely to be killed by a car than by a bike. But that doesn't mean that I want to be hit by a bike. The more bikes we have in our society, the better. But bike riders also need to take safety seriously.
	10:49am Trouble: happy to help @ sphere. i need some serious balm action myself...
	10:49am Doug in JC: 50% of JC/NYC don't drive, and some significant portion of the remainder hardly use their cars during the week. Yet the sheer amount of space and capital improvements and subsidies given to drivers dwarfs what's given to the rest of us despite the carnage and pollution they bring to the world
	10:51am adampsyche: hey trouble this is great
	10:51am Trouble: @doug in JC: until municipalities make mass transit available in all directions(not just going into NYC) hudson county will be filled with cars, sorry to say. I can drive my car to work and it takes typically 30 minutes or i can take 2 buses and a train and it takes 90 minutes...
	10:52am Threemoons: Getting the MTA to actually fix public transportation unfortunately has given rise to a worst possible case scenario for non-car-owning, non-biking pedestrians -- bike lanes that only make traffic worse , therefore more bikes, e-bikes, scooters, etc on the sidewalks. I can't ride a bike and it's not practical for most people who actually WORK in Manhattan but live in the outer boros....
	10:52am johnec: @Listener Gregory at 10:33 - Cheers to that! And thank you Trouble! I hadn't heard of her before your show but lately have been listening to her records fairly regularly
	10:53am Jason from Houston: Good morning, good people.
	10:54am Doug in JC: Bike lanes don't make traffic worse, cars make traffic worse. It's a simple geometry problem. One person in a 3000 pound steel box trying to move around a dense city is a silly way to run things
	10:54am Handy Haversack: Weren't we all supposed to have flying brooms by now, Jason?!
	10:55am Doug in JC: @Handy Yeah, we've already got the black cats!
	10:56am Jason from Houston: Ugh. That's on me. Sorry. Hang tight and I will see what I can do.
	10:56am Listener Gregory: I held off as long as I could: @Trouble, you were a bit impilsive in your spelling of impulse!
	10:56am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): hey, Trouble and folx! My broom is at the shop.
	10:57am Threemoons: @Doug alas it is what it is right now. The streets near me are a mess, and the subways are crumbling. They closed down our line for almost 2 years and didn't even bother to put in an elevator and bring it up to ADA standards.
	10:57am Handy Haversack: Doug, we also remembered yesterday that before we got the kittens, we shredded all the accumulated shreddables. And then for some reason hung on to the resulting confetti ... "because kittens." What are we thinking?! We really might do this thing!
	10:58am Andres: This will all get better when everyone has an electric flying car.
	10:58am Ken From Hyde Park: You need to get with the '20s, Baba Bee, and ride around on a Roomba.
	10:58am YETI BOB: Hey BabaBee, how's the weather out on the left coast? It's gloomy and raining here.
	10:58am Threemoons: @HH I NEED videos of kittens playing in shredded utility bills.
	10:58am YETI BOB: (here = North Coast)
	10:59am βrian: When roombas do stairwells, I'll consider one.
	11:00am Megaroni: Thank you for sharing about Libertad SP!
	11:00am βrian: @YB: I'm not too far from the Third Coast.
	11:00am drr: @joe mulligan: I can see the logic of telling the person you're passing where you are. That's what I do actually (though I'm a slow biker, I doubt I've ever passed a biker). My point was that it sometimes comes across as confrontational, even though you just mean to be helpful. But you're right, it's more information than just a bell. I just need to toughen up, I suppose.
	11:01am Toutevoix: riding a normal road bike thru the city to get out of it on two legs that's when you realize how agressive and violent car drivers can be....sadly, maybe they think I'm allways on holidays biking my life, well...yes indeed! One thing is also that I saw so many people on electric bike that in fact doesn't really know about riding a bike anymore and they can become dangerous for the others...till the batt is empty then... cia ciao out there!
	11:02am βrian: The problem is that it's more information than a bell.
	11:02am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): KFHP: oh, can we have races!?!?
	11:04am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): YETI BOB: checked outside just now and it is very cold and wet, but the wild winds and pounding rain are taking a break for a moment. stay cozy!
	11:05am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): Happy Genuflect-Before-the-Military-While-Supporting-Fascism Day everybody!
	11:08am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): Have you hugged your fascist today?
	11:08am joe mulligan: @drr it's funny, I always tell walkers I'm passing, but over the years I've been telling cyclists less often for that reason. most bikers can tell when another cyclist is passing them if it's done safely, and the announcement sometimes comes off as "I'm going faster than you" which is dopey
	11:09am Handy Haversack: Threemoons: right?! Woods, did you get the holiday cards mailed in time?
	11:11am Webhamster Henry: Just wanted to post on 11/11 at 11:11 am. Carry on.
	11:12am drr: @joe mulligan: "On your left, loser!" That's how it usually sounds to me. I need therapy.
	11:12am βrian: We've got almost an hour to do that here. Then it's on to the Mountain folks, the Pacific folks, ...
	11:15am i₭Ɇ: Sounding good!
	11:16am βrian: Whereas a sonorous "Boops boops!" is universally understood. en.wikipedia.org...
	11:16am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): yeah, we're still steeping the tea over here, people
	11:17am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): Shout out to the Mountain folx— "the marginalized time zone," as a pal of mine there calls it
	11:18am drr: TIL about Boops boops
	11:19am drr: That Linnaeus was a card.
	11:21am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): I've had this candle salad avatar since Cha Cha Heels a week ago, and it really doesn't read in that tiny little box.
	11:24am eva: good morning!
	11:24am Zipperhead7: Plastic . . . abut 20 years ago MOMA planned an exhibit on plastic. So they went to their warehoused holdings and discovered some of the oldest pieces had decomposed into puddles of toxic gick.
	11:27am Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): ewwww
	11:29am Listening Out There: @zipperhead7: Nitrate filmstock in silent films generally does the same thing, i.e. liquify and, sometimes, combust....
	11:29am Ken From Hyde Park: I wonder if there are plans for creating the Tomb of the Unknown Comic, when the time comes. His estimated age is 76 now.
	11:31am joe mulligan: @drr you're not alone.. I'm a fast biker and it always ruffles me when someone calls it out, esp if I'm "soft pedaling" not going hard.
	11:32am Zipperhead7: @ listening -- Yeah. Bill Morrison's "Decasia" assembled from nitrate stock is total mindwarp
	11:32am Jason from Houston: OHHHHH YESSSSSSSSSS
	11:33am Jason from Houston: ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡
	11:34am Stanley: This song takes me back to simpler times. Thanks Trouble
	11:34am drr: @zipperhead7: A problem that has long plagued Pez dispenser collectors.
	11:35am Pascal Arles: Holy mackerel, thanks Trouble! Bangers from start to finish, a big Merci from here in South France. Cheers!
	11:35am joe mulligan: superfun show today Trouble! I almost forgot about fun boy three!
	11:35am nurse t: love this song!
	11:35am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Handy: Ha, yes!! I'm trimming them up and turning them into party hats.
	11:35am Handy Haversack: I started my normal walk over the bridge today, pulling my book out and opening as is my wont. I am a fast walker -- and alert. Head on a swivel. Not like the phone drones. Anyway, I immediately passed another pedestrian who felt the need to comment, "That's a pretty fast walk while reading!" I said, "Eh. The bridge goes straight." And left him in my dust. Excellent, excellent book, too: The Hearing Trumpet, by Leonora Carrington. Had been OOP, but NYROB reissued last year.
	11:36am Andres: Later on, check out the extended version (6:08) of this FB3. It is a party!!
	11:37am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Handy: Re: walking...you might like this book -> www.amazon.com...
	11:38am Handy Haversack: Thanks, Woods!
	11:39am sphere: @ Handy - it is a true art to walk while reading. :)
	11:39am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): He's the guy who walked solo across Antarctica. Really interesting writer.
	11:40am YETI BOB: Handy - maybe it's a good thing you don't ride a bike!
	11:43am Trouble: thanks@joemulligan. remember fb3!!!
	11:43am Mike W.: Yes Birdmonsieur! Bring it full avian!
	11:44am Dances with Moomins: Talking about the art of walking and reading, I saw a woman one afternoon ( apparently going home from work ) she was reading while walking her bike. The handlebars turned out to be a good place to keep the book open! I smiled ear to ear.
	11:46am Mike W.: I know it’s out of season and probably not eligible (if I were to read the by-laws etc, which I won’t) but I’m awarding Handy’s tweets on today’s chatatat board with the Palme D’Or
	11:47am Handy Haversack: I want to thank the Academy Fight Song ...
	11:47am YETI BOB: I'm not judging you, Handy
	11:47am Mike W.: It’s an award for a movie, see, and
	11:48am Jason from Houston: Whoa! Great painter! How is the book?
	11:50am ?: There's also one more aspect of people commuting in their respective way, and that is there's a three way out of sync speed movement and mindset between the motorist the cyclist and the pedestrian. and even though everyone is aware of this difference their mind is currently occupied with dealing with their own particular method of operating of movement and just want to get to point b from point A with minimal hassle. For example the motorist is in sync with other motorists and therefore don't want to be bothered with having to readjust that sync to accommodate a cyclist or pedestrian. And so goes the same viewpoint from a cyclist and The pedestrian of all whom don't want to be interrupted with a constant change with the simple task of just trying to move along, therefore people are always getting irritated with each other that leads to frustration and the loss of patience which is a prime ingredients that makes the three-way out of sync commuters all just an accident waiting to happen at one time or another unfortunately on a daily basis as we all know. They say patience is a virtue, well commuting has got to be one of the biggest ongoing testing of that virtue.
	11:50am Jason from Houston: Just reading about it now. On my want list for sure.
	11:50am Handy Haversack: Jason, it's fantastic. The hero is a 92-year-old vegetarian widow. The Knights Templar are involved.
	11:50am Andres: You read about “Nimblewill Nomad”? The oldest person to complete the Appalachian Trail.
	11:51am Jason from Houston: Perfect.
	11:51am YETI BOB: ?: So true, as someone who has a car, a bike, and walks a lot I've noticed how my perspective changes: "Damn cars!" - "Damn bikers" - "Damn pedestrians!" - of course the answer is patience, compassion and mutual understanding (once again)
	11:51am Jason from Houston: LOL Reading The Hearing Trumpet liberates us from the miserable reality of our days. —Luis Buñuel
	11:52am Special_Vessels: @Andres: I read about that!
	11:52am headlesscolin: ayyyy
	11:52am D Rok: I picked up this anadol album well over a year ago, and have since almost forgotten about it. Thanks for playing this, and reminding me how phenomenal it is!
	11:53am Special_Vessels: @D Rok: I second that e-motion
	11:54am Andres: Special_Vessels: There was an interview with him on CBC program As It Happens yesterday. A kind and determined fellow!
	11:54am YETI BOB: "There are two cardinal human vices, from which all the others derive their being: impatience and carelessness. Impatience got people evicted from Paradise; carelessness kept them from making their way back there. Or perhaps there is only one cardinal vice: impatience. Impatience got people evicted, and impatience kept them from making their way back." [Franz Kakfa, tr. Michael Hofmann]
	11:55am YETI BOB: Think about that next time you are stuck in traffic...
	11:55am Special_Vessels: Andres: I clicked the NYT link through to read the ultra-light gear list on his website and found a section dedicated to his collected works of poetry, very sweet indeed
	11:55am Handy Haversack: YB, is there a shorter version?
	11:55am Special_Vessels: @Handy: Which book is this you're recommening??
	11:56am WoodsOfNH (now Maine): @Handy: Yes, I think it's "Relax, Francis"
	11:56am YETI BOB: HH: Yes in fact - "All human errors stem from impatience, a premature breaking off of a methodical approach, an ostensible pinning down of an ostensible object."
	11:56am βrian: Coming up on the hour: Continental Subway with David Dichelle wfmu.org...
	11:57am Handy Haversack: Crap, it got so late! Trouble, what a great show! Thanks so much. And thanks for hosting the chit-chattery! @Special_Vessels: The Hearing Trumpet, by Leonora Carrington Stay Troubled, everyone! Really glad to have spent this time with youse!
	11:57am YETI BOB: (Zurau Aphorisms, #3 and #2, in order of my quoting them. Kafka actually crossed out #3 in his manuscript, perhaps because #2 says pretty much the same thing, more succincly - leaving out the Paradise bit)
	11:58am Trouble: merci@ handy! thanks everybody for sitting in today. ciao meow
	11:59am Skyline chili: Sorry, I was ? who composed the three way out of sync speech. Glad that you agreed with it Yeti Bob. Once in awhile I managed to pull one out of the hat.
	11:59am YETI BOB: now it's time to say goodbye to the whole Troubled family - T R O ... ("Oh, it's nearly over!") - U B L ... )"L? Why the L not?") ... E!
	11:59am Special_Vessels: @Trouble: Amazing show, love to you all
	11:59am listener james from westwood: Thanks, Trouble!
	12:00pm Zipperhead7: Yes, thanks Trouble. Terrific show as always
	12:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Trouble. Free Caven Point!
	12:00pm 12539: Thanks, Trouble!
	12:01pm Jason from Houston: Many thanks, Trouble!
	12:01pm Skyline chili: Enjoyed the show troubly wobblyBye
	12:01pm jdaAndAnoukFromKöln: and bye
	12:01pm radioronan: Thanks Trouble!
	2:24pm scoots: city of denver scooters , and i love them! https://www.denvergov.org/Government/Agencies-Departments-Offices/Department-of-Transportation-and-Infrastructure/Programs-Services/Micromobility-Program

This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from November 11, 2021

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