WFMU: destination: OUT with Jeff Golick: Playlist from November 12, 2023

Listener comments!
	🥁 8:55am WR: Ears open, getting ready to go out.
	8:59am Jeff Golick: All going out together! Hey hey hey, WR!
	🥁 9:00am DJ Peter: Morning Jeff, WR! You know the Monday night Big Planet Noise show has a tailgate, people show up in the chat like 60 minutes ahead of show start. Crazy! Harder to make happen on Sunday morning I suppose.
	9:01am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @9:00 It's a Big Planet world, DJ Peter. We just live on it. Welcome!
	🥁 9:02am tom tom the pipers son: good morning jeff, people...ready to jazz 'n' spazz
	9:02am coelacanth∅: good morning Jeff, OUTies
	🥁 9:03am hyde: hi
	9:03am listener james from westwood: Morning, Jeff and all!
	9:03am Jeff Golick: tom tom the pipers son! coelacanth∅! hyde! Hellooooooooo there.
	9:04am TDK60: Greetings, Jeff.
	9:04am alanr: Here we go again! You're here. I'm here. We're here. Here Here!
	🥁 9:05am Yvang: Hi Jeff and listeners! Welcome back!
	🥁 9:05am tom tom the pipers son: in the wind it's chilly, otherwise pretty pleasant, feels warmer than 39
	9:06am StringOFperils: Good morning! I'm down with the :OUT. Shine a light.
	🥁 9:06am chresti: Morning Jeff and d’OUTers!
	9:07am Jeff Golick: Greetings, TDK60, alanr, Yvang, StringOFperils, and chresti of the westi!
	🥁 9:08am chresti: 53 now 83 later
	9:09am coelacanth∅: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:03 i so seldom can catch the show these days i didn't find out it wasn't on 'till it would've been over anyway; but Welcome back!
	🥁 9:10am tom tom the pipers son: i was at my in laws, who were indian, house in london on diwali, and picked up phone to call states, and a faint, staticky child's voice was on the line saying 'happy diwali'...i was spooked
	9:11am StringOFperils: ↳ chresti @9:08 32 now 41 later
	9:11am Jeff Golick: ↳ coelacanth∅ @9:09 Thanks!
	🥁 9:12am chresti: ↳ chresti @9:08 Tho I don’t think we hit the low yet which happens just before the sun gets higher
	9:12am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:10 Spooky, but at least a positive message?
	9:12am TDK60: Hola chresti: I see a coffee cup with Alfred Jarry's drawing of Ubu Roi. Or, is it hot chocolate?
	🥁 9:13am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:12 yes, positive, it sounded like some type of spirit, but i learned crossed phone lines were common in england
	9:13am Andrew in Toronto: Good morning Jeff, and all other listeners!
	9:14am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ coelacanth∅ @9:02 good morning coel.
	9:14am Jeff Golick: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:13 Good morning to you, Andrew in Toronto!
	9:14am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ hyde @9:03 hi hyde.
	9:15am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ TDK60 @9:04 Hi there TDK60.
	🥁 9:15am hyde: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:14 hello AiT!
	9:15am Listener Gregory: Good morning, Jeff and D:Outers! I was out of town last weekend, Jeff, so no harm done by your absence.
	🥁 9:15am chresti: ↳ StringOFperils @9:11 Freezing to cold! We get a couple upper 30s around january
	9:15am coelacanth∅: 'morning, Andrew!
	9:15am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Yvang @9:05 Hiya Yvang!
	9:16am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ chresti @9:06 Morning cretikins!
	🥁 9:17am Doug Schulkind: Welcome back, Jeff!
	9:18am TDK60: Hi Andrew iT.
	9:18am Jeff Golick: Heyo, Listener Gregory! First rule of DJing (I think): cause no harm. Doug Schulkind, as I live and breathe.
	🥁 9:19am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "1.13" by "Joseph Branciforte & Theo Bleckmann" this album cover art was assembled by someone who thought ECM in the 1980s was too vivid.
	9:20am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @9:19 ...and/or Unknown Pleasures, too pleasurable.
	🥁 9:21am chresti: ↳ TDK60 @9:12 Hi TDK60, mocha is in the cup made by a friend.\\//
	9:22am Jeff Golick: D:O Radio: wakes you up with Tatas-Matos, then promptly puts you back to sleep again.
	9:22am StringOFperils: ...or ECM was becoming so coldly austere that they thought prescription medication packaging would be suitable
	9:22am wendy del formaggio: Good morning, Jeff and DOers!
	9:23am TDK60: I like ECM covers and I like ECM music. There, I said it. Ho Wendy.
	9:24am Jeff Golick: ↳ wendy del formaggio @9:22 Ahoy, wendy!
	🥁 9:24am DJ Peter: ↳ StringOFperils @9:22 "ECM. Use under a doctor's supervision."
	9:25am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Lady of the Lavender Mist" by "The Angelica Sanch... Angelica Sanchez - piano, compositions Michaël Attias - alto saxophone Ben Goldberg - contra alto clarinet John Hébert - bass Thomas Heberer - quarter-tone trumpet Sam Ospovat - drums Chris Speed - tenor saxophone, clarinet Omar Tamez - guitar Kenny Warren - cornet
	🥁 9:26am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:22 gerhard richter did some digital stripe 'paintings' that look like that but were horizontal not vertical
	9:26am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ chresti @9:21 Hi crestikins.
	9:26am Jeff Golick: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:25 (though I believe this particular tune is by Duke Ellington)
	9:27am StringOFperils: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:26 Richter did a little bit of everything. Because he can.
	🥁 9:29am DJ Peter: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:26 1947 Ellington. His 1940s Columbia recordings have not been systematically reissued? Have they? I have them scattered across LPs.
	🥁 9:29am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:27 i think he's only working small now, work on paper
	🥁 9:29am Listener Gregory: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:26 The unknown Ellington songbook is about as large as two other composers' total output.
	🥁 9:31am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:27 had an 'in' to study with him in dusseldorf, but i was too burnt out on school
	9:31am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @9:29 I find the Ellington discography kind of a mess.
	9:32am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:31 !!!
	🥁 9:33am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:32 a teacher of mine knew him
	🥁 9:33am DJ Peter: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:31 Indeed! If only he had worked with only scrupulous record labels and mobsters!
	9:33am StringOFperils: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:31 Oh no! Most unfortunate tom tom, but I know what school burnout is like, that's for sure....I think I lost a few years, basically just stumbling around not knowing down from up, after years of working around the clock going to school while working to make money to go to school. I wonder what Richter's like re pedigogy.....probably a lot of 'assistant' work involved I'd guess
	🥁 9:35am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:33 yeah, i wonder what it was like
	🥁 9:35am hyde: i want to live in Roscoe Village
	🥁 9:36am chresti: ↳ Song: "Congliptious" by "Jason Adasiewicz" Nice for early morning
	9:38am holland oats: yo d:o! peeps!
	9:39am Jeff Golick: ↳ holland oats @9:38 How do you do, holland oats!
	🥁 9:41am chresti: ↳ StringOFperils @9:33 We have a friend who went to Banff- he said it was free!
	🥁 9:42am chresti: ↳ chresti @9:41 For Canadians
	9:42am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Jo Stafford with Paul Weston / Shenandoah" by "Mi... "You get a record, you drill holes in the middle away from the center, and you record them all together. The normal versions are all better. There's no excuse for this. Done in 2023 with MaxMSP."
	🥁 9:43am DJ Peter: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:42 trust the process!
	9:43am adamdoesit: HelloOOooOOoo Jeff GeeEEEeeEEEee and OoooUUUUuuutttiiiieeeEEEs
	🥁 9:44am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Jo Stafford with Paul Weston / Shenandoah" by "Mi... This doesn't quite have the heft of the Charlie Haden version. I might actually have the Jo Stafford version (unmixed).
	9:45am TDK60: ↳ Song: "Jo Stafford with Paul Weston / Shenandoah" by "Mi... Is this that freak folk I have heard about?
	9:45am StringOFperils: ↳ chresti @9:41 There may be some indie facilities that are in fact free for certain people somewhere. I wouldn't know, having never encountered any such thing...There is a post-graduate grant-based residency thing at the Banff Arts Centre or whatever it's called....or there used to be...ultimatele though I consider myself lucky, because if I had to attend university or even a college today I would not be able to. It's prohibitively expensive, and increasing for the rich alone....just paying the rent around here is nearly impossible
	9:46am StringOFperils: *increasingly......oy, lots of typos
	9:46am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @9:43 Nice to seeeEEeeee yyyYOOOooooUUUU, adamdoesit!
	9:47am TDK60: ↳ StringOFperils @9:45 That's odd, StringOFPerils: We have high rents around here too. Hmm..
	9:48am StringOFperils: ↳ TDK60 @9:47 I think it's the work of some kind of cabal, tdk60. I just have this feeling....
	🥁 9:51am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "IV. Bloom" by "Jessica Pavone" I have this disc on the active pile of my CD stack. I can't seem to stop listening to it. Excellent bassoon work too, surprisingly.
	9:53am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:51 Pavone has been killing it lately.
	9:55am Sem: Morning, Jeff, jazzbos, all.
	9:57am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:53 It's getting enthusiastic inquiries here.
	9:57am Jeff Golick: Greetings, Sem!
	9:58am Stork: Whadda fab-yalous rekkid this Jessica Pavone! Hiya, fellow Outstees!
	10:01am Stork: Outstees? Drunk again, eh, Stork? Ah, go fish! YOU go fish!!!
	10:01am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @9:58 Yo, Storkleson!
	🥁 10:01am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Make a Joyful Noice (for my friend Alex)" by "Vin... Ooh glad to hear this! Do we think Alex is Alex Cline?
	10:02am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @10:01 That has been my guess, but do not know for sure!
	10:04am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Sem @9:55 hola Sem!
	🥁 10:05am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Make a Joyful Noice (for my friend Alex)" by "Vin... I feel that there should be a limit to the number of little dots in a title, including ellipses, colons, etc.
	10:06am Dean: One of the performers is guitarist Alex Noice, and another piece on the recording is titled "For Nels Cline." Interesting bit of coyness.
	10:06am Dean: Obviously, it's Noice, given the title.
	10:07am Jeff Golick: ↳ Dean @10:06 It is indeed very very Noice. Thanks, Dean! And hellos.
	10:09am Sem: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @10:04 Good morning to you, AiT!
	🥁 10:10am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:05 i just had this very same disagreement with ChatGPT. I couldn't get it to stop inserting colons.
	🥁 10:12am Doug Schulkind: Ooh ooh ooh! I don't have this Hopkins/Murray record. I have Firestorm and Stringology, but not this. Wows!
	🥁 10:13am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Song for the Lost People" by "Fred Hopkins/Diedre... I think this just dropped on Bandcamp? Went onto my wishlist immediately. Now that I've heard some, it'll be off the waitlist and until the shopping cart next BC Friday.
	🥁 10:13am doctorjazz: Hello Jeff, Outer Folks!
	10:13am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ doctorjazz @10:13 Hiya doc!
	🥁 10:14am chresti: ↳ StringOFperils @9:45 Students get loans and spend their life after graduating paying off their debt, I think that’s how it works.
	🥁 10:14am doctorjazz: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @10:13 Hi Andrew!
	10:15am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ adamdoesit @9:57 Hi adamdoesit.
	🥁 10:15am doctorjazz: About Time Records in on Bandcamp-I have a good number of these (but not the Hopkins/Murray) about-time-records.bandcamp.com
	🥁 10:17am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Lady of the Lavender Mist" by "The Angelica Sanch... More from this album is in the queue for tonight's "Laughing Clock."
	10:18am Dean: Well, shoot, I missed Mike's track! But of course I know it. Long ago he did something similar with Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street." But the entire Offsets collection is an ear-boggling gem.
	🥁 10:18am Listener Gregory: ↳ DJ Peter @10:10 With these large language models, it's little dots in --> little dots out.
	10:19am StringOFperils: AI needs a colonic
	10:20am Dean: What baffles me with AI is the capacity to create orderly arrangements of data, e.g., in tabular form. That can't be a function of an LLM, can it?
	🥁 10:20am chresti: 🚦🚥🚦🚥🚦
	🥁 10:22am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:18 You're right of course! Also "can't follow directions in, can't follow directions out."
	🥁 10:22am doctorjazz: Download all my Bandcamp? I have 851 albums there (mostly because I went for the full discography of Noel Akchote...). I have my work cut out...
	🥁 10:23am Doug Schulkind: Nice. So glad you're paying respects to Pilz, Jeff.
	10:23am S: Also love Pilz's work with Manfred Schoof
	🥁 10:24am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @10:20 If tables are in the input data, then it's the same as producing coherent text—producing a statistically likely pattern. Since the models often absorb all of Wikipedia and much of the internet, they have lots of tables in their input.
	🥁 10:24am DJ Peter: How do people store their digital music? Lossless files on an external drive? Backed up on a second drive? Asking for a friend.
	10:25am Stork: No meaning in German that i know of/can find. Krebs means both crab and cancer, but auel? Stumped.
	10:25am Jeff Golick: Greetings to you, doctorjazz.
	🥁 10:25am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @10:24 I've been struggling with that for a long time now-mostly have it on external drives, make a copy on another (when I remember/get around to it).
	10:26am Dean: I get that, LG, but these are tables bespoke, if you will, for unclean data. This means AI can emulate a table, but tailor it to the messy data, e.g., by recognizing that the sum of these day numbers is that number, then placing that sum in the respective column.
	🥁 10:26am doctorjazz: Going to see Abdullah Ibrahim in a trio this afternoon, psyched (he's 89-not expecting fireworks, but still psyched).
	10:27am Dean: "the sum of these numbers..." (Not sure where "day" came from, but then mine is unmodified I.)
	🥁 10:27am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @10:26 Hmmm, good point. Of course, the models also absorb the syntax of programming languages and all of arithmetic, which is somehow embodied in its input too.
	10:28am Jeff Golick: ↳ doctorjazz @10:25 External drive - getting larger and larger as time goes on. Backed up via remote cloud service. Considering a new external NAS right now.
	10:28am Jeff Golick: ↳ S @10:23 Hello, S!
	🥁 10:28am hyde: ↳ doctorjazz @10:26 i'm on an 80+ years old musician run lately. Dylan last weekend, probly James Blood Ulmer Thursday nite
	🥁 10:29am doctorjazz: ↳ hyde @10:28 Saw Ulmer maybe 30 years ago, maybe due to catch him again...
	🥁 10:29am DJ Peter: ↳ Dean @10:26 Read a great (summary of) a study on LLM's. If you asked them to multiply a number by 9/5 and then add 32, they could do it 90% of the time (because people asked for celsius to fahrenheit conversion in search engines). But if you gave it a similar math problem (multiple by 8/5 and add 47) they were wrong 100% of the time.
	10:29am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @10:25 Thanks for trying, Stork!
	🥁 10:30am hyde: ↳ doctorjazz @10:29 he's playing solo here
	10:30am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @10:29 AI is hastening my transformation into grumpy old man who yells at cloud.
	10:31am Dean: Right. I'm trying to recognize how a table is like a language, how it expresses a syntax, such that one can begin to predict what the next border in the table will be and then what should occupy the cell. And if LLMs have absorbed arithmetic, then why does the circumstance DJ Peter describes occur?
	🥁 10:31am chresti: ↳ DJ Peter @10:24 I put it on a USB flash drive and upload some on the work computer. I’ve run into problems when I tried to upload files from the Mac to windows- windows hates Mac
	🥁 10:31am doctorjazz: Thinking of a NAS, haven't been able to get the external drives (connected to an upstairs computer) to play properly over the stereo (downstairs). I've gotten some connectivity, but everything is downsampled to mp3 when I do (likely something in a setting somewhere that I can't find.)
	10:32am Dean: I have had the privilege of trial access to proprietary AI used for legal research. Applied to a relatively narrow niche, it can be impressive, at least as a starting point.
	🥁 10:33am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @10:32 Except when it manufactures references...
	🥁 10:34am hyde: ↳ Dean @10:32 we have access to CLaude, Chat GPT and whatever the Google one is at my work. I find them kind of interesting to play with.
	🥁 10:34am Listener Gregory: ↳ hyde @10:28 How was Dylan? I got an Instagram ad telling me he is playing Springfield, MA, which is not out of the question for me.
	🥁 10:35am doctorjazz: To share files between Windows and Mac, the only types of files that work are exfat and fat32 (I have friend who does it for me from his MacBook-the size of the Drives are also limited, so a large drive needs to be divided up.
	🥁 10:35am hyde: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:34 it was actually really good, much better than i thought it would be
	10:37am Dean: The tools I'm using so far have not "hallucinated" case law, but that's because these are trained exclusively on corpora of legal documents. A person on my staff routinely uses many of the new, low-cost AI services, by way of casual experiment. These AIs are larnin' us!
	🥁 10:38am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~Good ⦿Sunday FMUvianz~ ...wakin' slow but heard it all...
	🥁 10:38am doctorjazz: ↳ hyde @10:35 Went back and forth on Dylan, still have a tab on my browser open, I believe (he's in Brooklyn this week, no? Or maybe I missed it).
	🥁 10:40am doctorjazz: ↳ doctorjazz @10:38 (saw him once in the 70s, short set with The Band, and once in the 90s)
	🥁 10:40am hyde: ↳ doctorjazz @10:38 it'd make sense he might be in NYC, just played 3 nights in Boston. i was really glad i decided to go
	🥁 10:40am Doug Schulkind: ↳ DJ Peter @10:24 I grab all files as available. Lossless if I have the choice, but I don't discriminate. I have everything on a 20TB external drive, which is backed up on another drive using my Mac's Time Machine AND in the cloud using Backblaze (which Jeff hipped me to). Backblaze has been excellent. When my last external drive crashed, Backblaze had everything lovingly saved. Shipped me a drive with everything preserved on it. I had the option of just buying that drive, or copying it all over onto a new drive and shipping their drive back (which is what I did).
	🥁 10:41am doctorjazz: ↳ hyde @10:30 Where is Blood Ulmer playing?
	🥁 10:41am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @10:38 I'd go! (1) I think he's playing guitar again (not just sitting at a keyboard)? and (2) he's not gonna live forever.
	🥁 10:41am duke: Good morning Jeff and all
	10:41am Jeff Golick: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @10:38 G'morn, Revolution Rabbit Nov63!
	10:42am Jeff Golick: ↳ duke @10:41 Howdy, duke!
	🥁 10:42am hyde: ↳ doctorjazz @10:41 at a church in Cambridge, the Harvard Epworth. it's him solo and then the Dave Bryant quartet
	🥁 10:43am DJ Peter: ↳ Doug Schulkind @10:40 Thanks everyone for the storage solutions! Will check out Backblaze. Maybe it's worth the expense. (I do hate the thought of what server farms are doing to the environment, though.)
	10:45am Dean: doctorjazz, Might the NAS mp3 issue have something to do with the MQA setting on the Technics. If it is on, then Direct is off. I can't say why that would result in mp3, but I'd try both settings, MQA on/off, which entails Direct off/on.
	🥁 10:45am Mxter Baba: hi, Jeff and folx! thanks for the reminder to download my bandcamp purchases ASAP!
	10:46am northguineahills: ducking in as i attempt to return my circadian rhythms to something attempting cyclical for a normal hooman...
	🥁 10:46am doctorjazz: ↳ hyde @10:42 Oh, too much of a commute from Joisey (I Googled for local concert listings, he's not playing in the NY/NJ area. Enjoy!)
	10:48am northguineahills: ↳ Dean @10:45 b/c my brain is off-kilter today, i'm assuming NAS is from illmiatic fame, as represented from queensbridge. yep, i'm sticking to that!
	10:48am Jeff Golick: ↳ Mxter Baba @10:45 Mxter Baba, wonderful to see you! And you too, northguineahills!
	🥁 10:48am doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @10:45 Thanks, Dean-I have to go in and look at those settings. Did you ever get it to Stream WFMU (I love being able to do that)? I use a music playing program (JRiver) to listen to music on the upstairs hard drive, the setting issue may also be in JRiver (which is a bit complex to manage)
	10:49am Dean: See this note on p.114 of the manual: Whether or not each music file can be played back over your network is determined by the network server even if the format of the file is listed above. For example, if you are using Windows Media Player 11, not all music files on the PC are playable. You can play back only those added to the library of Windows Media Player 11.
	10:49am Dean: Nope. Still streaming from a MacBook Air.
	10:50am Dean: Again, I don't quite see how the inability to play a particular format, per that note, would result in a default to mp3.
	10:54am Dean: Help from JRiver? https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=119556.0
	10:54am adamdoesit: My vintage Synology NAS is still running strong. Their pro-level machines are solid stuff, built to last. Plex keeps the media orderly and accessible. The one hitch is that Backblaze (which I use and like) doesn't make it simple to back up a NAS with a personal account. Miss u, CrashPlan.
	🥁 10:56am Listener Gregory: Re: Pilz... Always interested in learning about new dead people!
	10:56am northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Tilly's Eye" by "Itaru Oki Quartet" new to me and digdug! how is it possible?, this is already classic!
	10:58am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @10:54 That is good to know, adamdoesit. I am seriously eyeing a Synology NAS for my next storage upgrade, but do not want to give up Backblaze. Hm. Maybe at some point I can reach out for advice, if needed?
	10:58am northguineahills: ↳ adamdoesit @10:54 seeing as synology is taiwanese, would it be correct to also call it sinology (if linguistics were inviolved)? /this is what happens to me when sleep deprivation happens...
	10:58am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:56 It might be what I do best.
	11:00am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:58 Jeff, but of course! ngh, I assume their trade name is a play on sino- so, yeah.
	🥁 11:03am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "Lonely Woman" by "Peter Perfido - Mike O'Neil - M... ...what is this radical formless Musics ?!? : D ...
	11:04am Dean: At one time, Linn rec'd QNAP TS409 Pro. It so happens that the NYT (whatever) also rec's QNAP: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-network-attached-storage/
	11:05am mackeral: Good morning interneth!
	🥁 11:06am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...NYT of course being the Q235235#KHKHUPPP of Record...
	11:06am Jeff Golick: ↳ mackeral @11:05 Yello, mackeral!
	🥁 11:09am doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @10:54 Yeah, I tried their Help Wiki-they do have a moderator who answers questions, but I usually can't understand or implement the solution suggested...
	🥁 11:10am doctorjazz: ↳ adamdoesit @10:54 Subscribing to Backblaze has been on my To Do list for a few years now (as is getting a NAS)
	11:11am mackeral: ↳ TDK60 @9:47 I saw Ken Vandermark at the Neue Nationalgalerie in Berlin checking out the big Richter exhibit, then realized it must have been bc he was in town for a show! [checks phone] it was the previous night. Damn the world!
	🥁 11:12am doctorjazz: Been digging the set (while getting some work done).
	🥁 11:15am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @11:04 The writer of that Wirecutter review of NASs turns out to be a very significant figure: "He has professionally backed up a diverse array of data, including medical breakthroughs, international news stories, and original Mariah Carey album photos."
	🥁 11:15am doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @10:54 I've been listening to this show through my PC using JRiver (through a modded Microzotl 2 headphone amp, Geek Out SE DAC with digital grunge removal hardware, and Pandora Hope VI Headphones), very geeky, sounding very good (I'm about to go to the stereo, family is awake).
	🥁 11:16am Listener Gregory: ↳ doctorjazz @11:15 Your family deserves to hear it all!
	11:17am Dean: Wait, the original Mariah Carey album photos?! Pandora Hope VI, I take it, has nothing to do with the streaming service.
	🥁 11:19am Doug Schulkind: Can anyone play the bass clarinet and not be embraced by the loving shadow of Eric Dolphy?
	11:20am Dean: There is exactly one bad version of "Lonely Woman." It's called "Very Lonely Woman."
	11:22am mackeral: ↳ Dean @11:17 if you have some rubber bands and glue, you can make your own NAS with some cheap components www.bbc.com... Mine has been attracting cat hair behind the couch for some years now. Only had to reboot it three times.
	11:22am Jeff Golick: ↳ mackeral @11:22 Thanks for the link/tip, mackeral.
	11:23am Jeff Golick: ↳ Doug Schulkind @11:19 Absolutely not.
	🥁 11:23am Doug Schulkind: Oh cool! I grabbed this Eggleston the other day but haven't listened yet.
	11:23am DJ Peter: Oh thank goodness, maybe he can take attention away from Jeff Goldblum
	🥁 11:24am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes" by "William Eggleston" The photographer??? (I was out of the room during your intro.)
	11:24am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @11:23 Hahaha.
	11:24am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:24 yep
	11:26am Dean: I bet Eggleston has something to say about the original Mariah Carey album photos.
	🥁 11:32am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @11:26 Eggleston was notorious for never digitally backing up his work. Sad!
	11:33am Dean: Compare Warhol, who copied everything multiple times.
	🥁 11:35am WR: ↳ Song: "unbeknownst" by "Matana Roberts" thanks for playing this. Got it on Oct. bc day but haven't listened to it yet.
	11:36am Jeff Golick: ↳ WR @11:35 Oh yeah my pleasure. Welcome back, WR!
	11:37am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Coalhada" by "Sambrasa Trio" Trio = Hermeto Pascoal (piano and flute), Humberto Clayber (bass and harmonica) and Airto Moreira (drums)!
	11:37am northguineahills: ↳ Dean @11:33 that's why the haloid photographic company exists (it copies, and now is xerox)
	🥁 11:38am DJ Peter: ↳ Dean @11:33 LOL
	🥁 11:39am hyde: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:37 Airport Moreira plays on a few records. Just a few
	🥁 11:40am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ hyde @11:39 ...well - always flying off somewhere...
	🥁 11:40am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Airtocorrect...
	11:43am Dean: Airport Moreira really was the name of Doug S.'s first band in high (as in altitude) school.
	11:43am Jeff Golick: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:40 Very very nice.
	🥁 11:45am hyde: haha, stupid auto correct
	11:47am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:43 What a wonderfull spisode! Thanks, Jeff!
	11:48am northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Une Bien Curieuse Planète" by "François Jeanneau" wow, new to me, and digdug! /thanks jeff, you kill!
	11:48am northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Opus 5" by "Peter Evans / Being & Becoming" i mean i know mr evans, but this one too!
	11:49am Jeff Golick: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @11:47 Thanks for being here, Andrew! And to you, ngh! Get some rest!
	🥁 11:49am doctorjazz: Dug the show, thanks, Jeff!
	11:50am StringOFperils: Thanks for :OUT, Jeff. Always a healing listen.
	11:50am Dean: Yow, the cover really is a Kandinsky! I was going to guess it was a contemporary artist influenced somewhat by Anthony Braxton.
	🥁 11:50am Doug Schulkind: Palm is such a stupendous essential magical label.
	11:50am Jeff Golick: Thanks, doc; enjoy Ibrahim! SOp: your words are a balm!
	11:51am mackeral: great show!
	🥁 11:51am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @11:50 Next cut, Jeff will play Kandinsky's noodlings on the cello.
	11:51am northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Opus 5" by "Peter Evans / Being & Becoming" loving the vibes on this, tambien!
	11:52am Dean: Did Kandinsky play?
	11:52am mackeral: ↳ Dean @11:52 great question!
	11:53am Jeff Golick: ↳ mackeral @11:51 Hey thanks for checking in, mackeral!
	11:53am Dean: According to WP, he studied piano and cello, and law and economics.
	11:54am Dean: I bet he was a doodler.
	11:55am adamdoesit: Lovely tunes this morning. Thank you, DJ Jeff G!
	🥁 11:56am chresti: Thanks for the OUT, Jeff!
	11:56am Sem: Thank you, Jeff, an engaging listen, as always. Be well and see you and all the 'bos next time round the circle of fifths.
	11:57am northguineahills: merci bien, jeff!
	🥁 11:57am Listener Gregory: Thanks a lot, Jeff! You hardly lost a step after your week off.
	11:57am coelacanth∅: Thanks Jeff!
	🥁 11:58am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJ JeffG ~
	🥁 11:58am Listener Gregory: Oh, almost forgot: Damn that flute!
	🥁 11:58am hyde: thanks!
	🥁 11:59am WR: ↳ Song: "unbeknownst" by "Matana Roberts" and when I got it, they had a package price for coin coin 1 - 5.
	🥁 11:59am Doug Schulkind: Deeply wonderful show, Jeff.
	🥁 11:59am Yvang: Thanks Jeff!
	🥁 12:00pm WR: Thank you, Jeff.

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November 12, 2023: Floating with intimate strangers.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble	Tatas-Matoes	Congliptious	Nessa	1968		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun Ra	The Perfect Man "The Perfect Man" by "Sun Ra"	My Brother The Wind, Vol. I	Saturn Research	1970		0:02:55 (Pop-up)
Surabhi Saraf	Illuminen "Illuminen" by "Surabhi Saraf"	Anthology Of Exploratory Music From India	Unexplained Sounds Group	2021		0:05:55 (Pop-up)
Joseph Branciforte & Theo Bleckmann	1.13	LP2	greyfade	2023		0:15:30 (Pop-up)
The Angelica Sanchez Nonet	Lady of the Lavender Mist	Nighttime Creatures	Pyroclastic Records	2023		0:22:35 (Pop-up)
Jason Adasiewicz	Congliptious "Congliptious" by "Jason Adasiewicz"	Roscoe Village, The Music of Roscoe Mitchell	Corbett vs. Dempsey	2023		0:32:11 (Pop-up)
Angles & Elle-Kari with Strings	Kalypso Hypnos Drone [6:06]	Kalypso Hypnos Drone	Thanatosis	2023		0:35:26 (Pop-up)
Michael Lindsey	Jo Stafford with Paul Weston / Shenandoah	Offsets 2023	[self-released]	2023	(courtesy listener Dean)	0:41:21 (Pop-up)
Jessica Pavone	IV. Bloom "IV. Bloom" by "Jessica Pavone"	Clamor	Out of Your Head Records	2023		0:44:56 (Pop-up)
Vinny Golia	Make a Joyful Noice (for my friend Alex)	Even to This Day…Music for Orchestra and Soloists Movement Two: Syncretism: For The Draw…	Nine Winds	2023		0:57:40 (Pop-up)
Fred Hopkins/Diedre Murray Quartet	Song for the Lost People	Prophecy	About Time Records	1990		1:06:44 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Booker T. & The MGs	Melting Pot "Melting Pot" by "Booker T. & The MGs"					1:12:28 (Pop-up)
Michel Pilz, RIP. "Michel Pilz, RIP."
Pilz / Kowald / Lovens	Krebsauel "Krebsauel" by "Pilz / Kowald / Lovens"	Carpathes	FMP	1976		1:20:40 (Pop-up)
Michel Pilz / Buschi Niebergall / Uwe Schmitt	Linde	Celeste	Trion	1979		1:25:16 (Pop-up)
Manfred Schoof Quintet	For Marianne	Scales	Japo Records	1976		1:31:37 (Pop-up)
L'étau (Keith Tippett/Michel Pilz/Paul Rogers/Jean-Noël Cognard)	Les idées de la nuit	Choses Clandestine	trAce Label	2013		1:38:41 (Pop-up)
Oki / Pilz / Hübner	One year [Afternoon]	One Year - Afternoon & Evening	FMP	1978		1:44:05 (Pop-up)
Itaru Oki Quartet	Tilly's Eye "Tilly's Eye" by "Itaru Oki Quartet"	Paris : Ohraï	Ohrai Records	2001		1:50:47 (Pop-up)
Peter Perfido - Mike O'Neil - Michel Pilz	Lonely Woman	No Corner to Hide In	Frères d'Âme	2019		2:00:12 (Pop-up)
Michel Pilz, Reiner Winterschladen, Frank Paul Schubert, Christian Ramond, Klaus Kugel	Yamabiko	Yamabiko Quintet	Nemu Records	2022		2:08:21 (Pop-up)
Pilz / Kowald / Lovens	Carpathes "Carpathes" by "Pilz / Kowald / Lovens"	Carpathes	FMP	1976		2:12:51 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Chaz Jankel	To Woo Lady Kong "To Woo Lady Kong" by "Chaz Jankel"					2:16:48 (Pop-up)
William Eggleston	Smoke Gets in Your Eyes	512	Secretly Canadian	2023		2:21:00 (Pop-up)
Matana Roberts	unbeknownst "unbeknownst" by "Matana Roberts"	Coin Coin Chapter Five: In the garden...	Constellation Records	2023		2:25:45 (Pop-up)
Mary Lou Williams	Willis "Willis" by "Mary Lou Williams"	Mary Lou's Mass	Mary Records	1975		2:30:30 (Pop-up)
Sambrasa Trio	Coalhada "Coalhada" by "Sambrasa Trio"	Em Som Maior	Som Maior	1965		2:34:06 (Pop-up)
Edu Lôbo	A Morte de Zâmbi "A Morte de Zâmbi" by "Edu Lôbo"	Edu Canta Zumbi	Elenco	1968		2:37:09 (Pop-up)
Candeia	Filosofia do Samba "Filosofia do Samba" by "Candeia"	Seguinte...: Raiz	Equipe	1971		2:40:42 (Pop-up)
François Jeanneau	Une Bien Curieuse Planète	Une Bien Curieuse Planète	Palm	1975		2:42:46 (Pop-up)
Peter Evans / Being & Becoming	Opus 5	Ars Memoria	More Is More Records	2023		2:47:12 (Pop-up)
Mike Reed	Floating with an Intimate Stranger	The Separatist Party	We Jazz / Astral Spirits	2023		2:51:49 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Dudu Pukwana & Spear	Flute Music "Flute Music" by "Dudu Pukwana & Spear"	Flute Music	Caroline	1975		2:55:54 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🥁 8:55am WR: Ears open, getting ready to go out.
	8:59am Jeff Golick: All going out together! Hey hey hey, WR!
	🥁 9:00am DJ Peter: Morning Jeff, WR! You know the Monday night Big Planet Noise show has a tailgate, people show up in the chat like 60 minutes ahead of show start. Crazy! Harder to make happen on Sunday morning I suppose.
	9:01am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @9:00 It's a Big Planet world, DJ Peter. We just live on it. Welcome!
	🥁 9:02am tom tom the pipers son: good morning jeff, people...ready to jazz 'n' spazz
	9:02am coelacanth∅: good morning Jeff, OUTies
	🥁 9:03am hyde: hi
	9:03am listener james from westwood: Morning, Jeff and all!
	9:03am Jeff Golick: tom tom the pipers son! coelacanth∅! hyde! Hellooooooooo there.
	9:04am TDK60: Greetings, Jeff.
	9:04am alanr: Here we go again! You're here. I'm here. We're here. Here Here!
	🥁 9:05am Yvang: Hi Jeff and listeners! Welcome back!
	🥁 9:05am tom tom the pipers son: in the wind it's chilly, otherwise pretty pleasant, feels warmer than 39
	9:06am StringOFperils: Good morning! I'm down with the :OUT. Shine a light.
	🥁 9:06am chresti: Morning Jeff and d’OUTers!
	9:07am Jeff Golick: Greetings, TDK60, alanr, Yvang, StringOFperils, and chresti of the westi!
	🥁 9:08am chresti: 53 now 83 later
	9:09am coelacanth∅: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:03 i so seldom can catch the show these days i didn't find out it wasn't on 'till it would've been over anyway; but Welcome back!
	🥁 9:10am tom tom the pipers son: i was at my in laws, who were indian, house in london on diwali, and picked up phone to call states, and a faint, staticky child's voice was on the line saying 'happy diwali'...i was spooked
	9:11am StringOFperils: ↳ chresti @9:08 32 now 41 later
	9:11am Jeff Golick: ↳ coelacanth∅ @9:09 Thanks!
	🥁 9:12am chresti: ↳ chresti @9:08 Tho I don’t think we hit the low yet which happens just before the sun gets higher
	9:12am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:10 Spooky, but at least a positive message?
	9:12am TDK60: Hola chresti: I see a coffee cup with Alfred Jarry's drawing of Ubu Roi. Or, is it hot chocolate?
	🥁 9:13am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:12 yes, positive, it sounded like some type of spirit, but i learned crossed phone lines were common in england
	9:13am Andrew in Toronto: Good morning Jeff, and all other listeners!
	9:14am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ coelacanth∅ @9:02 good morning coel.
	9:14am Jeff Golick: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:13 Good morning to you, Andrew in Toronto!
	9:14am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ hyde @9:03 hi hyde.
	9:15am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ TDK60 @9:04 Hi there TDK60.
	🥁 9:15am hyde: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:14 hello AiT!
	9:15am Listener Gregory: Good morning, Jeff and D:Outers! I was out of town last weekend, Jeff, so no harm done by your absence.
	🥁 9:15am chresti: ↳ StringOFperils @9:11 Freezing to cold! We get a couple upper 30s around january
	9:15am coelacanth∅: 'morning, Andrew!
	9:15am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Yvang @9:05 Hiya Yvang!
	9:16am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ chresti @9:06 Morning cretikins!
	🥁 9:17am Doug Schulkind: Welcome back, Jeff!
	9:18am TDK60: Hi Andrew iT.
	9:18am Jeff Golick: Heyo, Listener Gregory! First rule of DJing (I think): cause no harm. Doug Schulkind, as I live and breathe.
	🥁 9:19am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "1.13" by "Joseph Branciforte & Theo Bleckmann" this album cover art was assembled by someone who thought ECM in the 1980s was too vivid.
	9:20am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @9:19 ...and/or Unknown Pleasures, too pleasurable.
	🥁 9:21am chresti: ↳ TDK60 @9:12 Hi TDK60, mocha is in the cup made by a friend.\\//
	9:22am Jeff Golick: D:O Radio: wakes you up with Tatas-Matos, then promptly puts you back to sleep again.
	9:22am StringOFperils: ...or ECM was becoming so coldly austere that they thought prescription medication packaging would be suitable
	9:22am wendy del formaggio: Good morning, Jeff and DOers!
	9:23am TDK60: I like ECM covers and I like ECM music. There, I said it. Ho Wendy.
	9:24am Jeff Golick: ↳ wendy del formaggio @9:22 Ahoy, wendy!
	🥁 9:24am DJ Peter: ↳ StringOFperils @9:22 "ECM. Use under a doctor's supervision."
	9:25am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Lady of the Lavender Mist" by "The Angelica Sanch... Angelica Sanchez - piano, compositions Michaël Attias - alto saxophone Ben Goldberg - contra alto clarinet John Hébert - bass Thomas Heberer - quarter-tone trumpet Sam Ospovat - drums Chris Speed - tenor saxophone, clarinet Omar Tamez - guitar Kenny Warren - cornet
	🥁 9:26am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:22 gerhard richter did some digital stripe 'paintings' that look like that but were horizontal not vertical
	9:26am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ chresti @9:21 Hi crestikins.
	9:26am Jeff Golick: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:25 (though I believe this particular tune is by Duke Ellington)
	9:27am StringOFperils: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:26 Richter did a little bit of everything. Because he can.
	🥁 9:29am DJ Peter: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:26 1947 Ellington. His 1940s Columbia recordings have not been systematically reissued? Have they? I have them scattered across LPs.
	🥁 9:29am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:27 i think he's only working small now, work on paper
	🥁 9:29am Listener Gregory: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:26 The unknown Ellington songbook is about as large as two other composers' total output.
	🥁 9:31am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:27 had an 'in' to study with him in dusseldorf, but i was too burnt out on school
	9:31am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @9:29 I find the Ellington discography kind of a mess.
	9:32am Jeff Golick: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:31 !!!
	🥁 9:33am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:32 a teacher of mine knew him
	🥁 9:33am DJ Peter: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:31 Indeed! If only he had worked with only scrupulous record labels and mobsters!
	9:33am StringOFperils: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:31 Oh no! Most unfortunate tom tom, but I know what school burnout is like, that's for sure....I think I lost a few years, basically just stumbling around not knowing down from up, after years of working around the clock going to school while working to make money to go to school. I wonder what Richter's like re pedigogy.....probably a lot of 'assistant' work involved I'd guess
	🥁 9:35am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:33 yeah, i wonder what it was like
	🥁 9:35am hyde: i want to live in Roscoe Village
	🥁 9:36am chresti: ↳ Song: "Congliptious" by "Jason Adasiewicz" Nice for early morning
	9:38am holland oats: yo d:o! peeps!
	9:39am Jeff Golick: ↳ holland oats @9:38 How do you do, holland oats!
	🥁 9:41am chresti: ↳ StringOFperils @9:33 We have a friend who went to Banff- he said it was free!
	🥁 9:42am chresti: ↳ chresti @9:41 For Canadians
	9:42am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Jo Stafford with Paul Weston / Shenandoah" by "Mi... "You get a record, you drill holes in the middle away from the center, and you record them all together. The normal versions are all better. There's no excuse for this. Done in 2023 with MaxMSP."
	🥁 9:43am DJ Peter: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:42 trust the process!
	9:43am adamdoesit: HelloOOooOOoo Jeff GeeEEEeeEEEee and OoooUUUUuuutttiiiieeeEEEs
	🥁 9:44am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Jo Stafford with Paul Weston / Shenandoah" by "Mi... This doesn't quite have the heft of the Charlie Haden version. I might actually have the Jo Stafford version (unmixed).
	9:45am TDK60: ↳ Song: "Jo Stafford with Paul Weston / Shenandoah" by "Mi... Is this that freak folk I have heard about?
	9:45am StringOFperils: ↳ chresti @9:41 There may be some indie facilities that are in fact free for certain people somewhere. I wouldn't know, having never encountered any such thing...There is a post-graduate grant-based residency thing at the Banff Arts Centre or whatever it's called....or there used to be...ultimatele though I consider myself lucky, because if I had to attend university or even a college today I would not be able to. It's prohibitively expensive, and increasing for the rich alone....just paying the rent around here is nearly impossible
	9:46am StringOFperils: *increasingly......oy, lots of typos
	9:46am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @9:43 Nice to seeeEEeeee yyyYOOOooooUUUU, adamdoesit!
	9:47am TDK60: ↳ StringOFperils @9:45 That's odd, StringOFPerils: We have high rents around here too. Hmm..
	9:48am StringOFperils: ↳ TDK60 @9:47 I think it's the work of some kind of cabal, tdk60. I just have this feeling....
	🥁 9:51am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "IV. Bloom" by "Jessica Pavone" I have this disc on the active pile of my CD stack. I can't seem to stop listening to it. Excellent bassoon work too, surprisingly.
	9:53am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:51 Pavone has been killing it lately.
	9:55am Sem: Morning, Jeff, jazzbos, all.
	9:57am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:53 It's getting enthusiastic inquiries here.
	9:57am Jeff Golick: Greetings, Sem!
	9:58am Stork: Whadda fab-yalous rekkid this Jessica Pavone! Hiya, fellow Outstees!
	10:01am Stork: Outstees? Drunk again, eh, Stork? Ah, go fish! YOU go fish!!!
	10:01am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @9:58 Yo, Storkleson!
	🥁 10:01am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Make a Joyful Noice (for my friend Alex)" by "Vin... Ooh glad to hear this! Do we think Alex is Alex Cline?
	10:02am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @10:01 That has been my guess, but do not know for sure!
	10:04am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Sem @9:55 hola Sem!
	🥁 10:05am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Make a Joyful Noice (for my friend Alex)" by "Vin... I feel that there should be a limit to the number of little dots in a title, including ellipses, colons, etc.
	10:06am Dean: One of the performers is guitarist Alex Noice, and another piece on the recording is titled "For Nels Cline." Interesting bit of coyness.
	10:06am Dean: Obviously, it's Noice, given the title.
	10:07am Jeff Golick: ↳ Dean @10:06 It is indeed very very Noice. Thanks, Dean! And hellos.
	10:09am Sem: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @10:04 Good morning to you, AiT!
	🥁 10:10am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:05 i just had this very same disagreement with ChatGPT. I couldn't get it to stop inserting colons.
	🥁 10:12am Doug Schulkind: Ooh ooh ooh! I don't have this Hopkins/Murray record. I have Firestorm and Stringology, but not this. Wows!
	🥁 10:13am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Song for the Lost People" by "Fred Hopkins/Diedre... I think this just dropped on Bandcamp? Went onto my wishlist immediately. Now that I've heard some, it'll be off the waitlist and until the shopping cart next BC Friday.
	🥁 10:13am doctorjazz: Hello Jeff, Outer Folks!
	10:13am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ doctorjazz @10:13 Hiya doc!
	🥁 10:14am chresti: ↳ StringOFperils @9:45 Students get loans and spend their life after graduating paying off their debt, I think that’s how it works.
	🥁 10:14am doctorjazz: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @10:13 Hi Andrew!
	10:15am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ adamdoesit @9:57 Hi adamdoesit.
	🥁 10:15am doctorjazz: About Time Records in on Bandcamp-I have a good number of these (but not the Hopkins/Murray) about-time-records.bandcamp.com
	🥁 10:17am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Lady of the Lavender Mist" by "The Angelica Sanch... More from this album is in the queue for tonight's "Laughing Clock."
	10:18am Dean: Well, shoot, I missed Mike's track! But of course I know it. Long ago he did something similar with Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street." But the entire Offsets collection is an ear-boggling gem.
	🥁 10:18am Listener Gregory: ↳ DJ Peter @10:10 With these large language models, it's little dots in --> little dots out.
	10:19am StringOFperils: AI needs a colonic
	10:20am Dean: What baffles me with AI is the capacity to create orderly arrangements of data, e.g., in tabular form. That can't be a function of an LLM, can it?
	🥁 10:20am chresti: 🚦🚥🚦🚥🚦
	🥁 10:22am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:18 You're right of course! Also "can't follow directions in, can't follow directions out."
	🥁 10:22am doctorjazz: Download all my Bandcamp? I have 851 albums there (mostly because I went for the full discography of Noel Akchote...). I have my work cut out...
	🥁 10:23am Doug Schulkind: Nice. So glad you're paying respects to Pilz, Jeff.
	10:23am S: Also love Pilz's work with Manfred Schoof
	🥁 10:24am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @10:20 If tables are in the input data, then it's the same as producing coherent text—producing a statistically likely pattern. Since the models often absorb all of Wikipedia and much of the internet, they have lots of tables in their input.
	🥁 10:24am DJ Peter: How do people store their digital music? Lossless files on an external drive? Backed up on a second drive? Asking for a friend.
	10:25am Stork: No meaning in German that i know of/can find. Krebs means both crab and cancer, but auel? Stumped.
	10:25am Jeff Golick: Greetings to you, doctorjazz.
	🥁 10:25am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @10:24 I've been struggling with that for a long time now-mostly have it on external drives, make a copy on another (when I remember/get around to it).
	10:26am Dean: I get that, LG, but these are tables bespoke, if you will, for unclean data. This means AI can emulate a table, but tailor it to the messy data, e.g., by recognizing that the sum of these day numbers is that number, then placing that sum in the respective column.
	🥁 10:26am doctorjazz: Going to see Abdullah Ibrahim in a trio this afternoon, psyched (he's 89-not expecting fireworks, but still psyched).
	10:27am Dean: "the sum of these numbers..." (Not sure where "day" came from, but then mine is unmodified I.)
	🥁 10:27am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @10:26 Hmmm, good point. Of course, the models also absorb the syntax of programming languages and all of arithmetic, which is somehow embodied in its input too.
	10:28am Jeff Golick: ↳ doctorjazz @10:25 External drive - getting larger and larger as time goes on. Backed up via remote cloud service. Considering a new external NAS right now.
	10:28am Jeff Golick: ↳ S @10:23 Hello, S!
	🥁 10:28am hyde: ↳ doctorjazz @10:26 i'm on an 80+ years old musician run lately. Dylan last weekend, probly James Blood Ulmer Thursday nite
	🥁 10:29am doctorjazz: ↳ hyde @10:28 Saw Ulmer maybe 30 years ago, maybe due to catch him again...
	🥁 10:29am DJ Peter: ↳ Dean @10:26 Read a great (summary of) a study on LLM's. If you asked them to multiply a number by 9/5 and then add 32, they could do it 90% of the time (because people asked for celsius to fahrenheit conversion in search engines). But if you gave it a similar math problem (multiple by 8/5 and add 47) they were wrong 100% of the time.
	10:29am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @10:25 Thanks for trying, Stork!
	🥁 10:30am hyde: ↳ doctorjazz @10:29 he's playing solo here
	10:30am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @10:29 AI is hastening my transformation into grumpy old man who yells at cloud.
	10:31am Dean: Right. I'm trying to recognize how a table is like a language, how it expresses a syntax, such that one can begin to predict what the next border in the table will be and then what should occupy the cell. And if LLMs have absorbed arithmetic, then why does the circumstance DJ Peter describes occur?
	🥁 10:31am chresti: ↳ DJ Peter @10:24 I put it on a USB flash drive and upload some on the work computer. I’ve run into problems when I tried to upload files from the Mac to windows- windows hates Mac
	🥁 10:31am doctorjazz: Thinking of a NAS, haven't been able to get the external drives (connected to an upstairs computer) to play properly over the stereo (downstairs). I've gotten some connectivity, but everything is downsampled to mp3 when I do (likely something in a setting somewhere that I can't find.)
	10:32am Dean: I have had the privilege of trial access to proprietary AI used for legal research. Applied to a relatively narrow niche, it can be impressive, at least as a starting point.
	🥁 10:33am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @10:32 Except when it manufactures references...
	🥁 10:34am hyde: ↳ Dean @10:32 we have access to CLaude, Chat GPT and whatever the Google one is at my work. I find them kind of interesting to play with.
	🥁 10:34am Listener Gregory: ↳ hyde @10:28 How was Dylan? I got an Instagram ad telling me he is playing Springfield, MA, which is not out of the question for me.
	🥁 10:35am doctorjazz: To share files between Windows and Mac, the only types of files that work are exfat and fat32 (I have friend who does it for me from his MacBook-the size of the Drives are also limited, so a large drive needs to be divided up.
	🥁 10:35am hyde: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:34 it was actually really good, much better than i thought it would be
	10:37am Dean: The tools I'm using so far have not "hallucinated" case law, but that's because these are trained exclusively on corpora of legal documents. A person on my staff routinely uses many of the new, low-cost AI services, by way of casual experiment. These AIs are larnin' us!
	🥁 10:38am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~Good ⦿Sunday FMUvianz~ ...wakin' slow but heard it all...
	🥁 10:38am doctorjazz: ↳ hyde @10:35 Went back and forth on Dylan, still have a tab on my browser open, I believe (he's in Brooklyn this week, no? Or maybe I missed it).
	🥁 10:40am doctorjazz: ↳ doctorjazz @10:38 (saw him once in the 70s, short set with The Band, and once in the 90s)
	🥁 10:40am hyde: ↳ doctorjazz @10:38 it'd make sense he might be in NYC, just played 3 nights in Boston. i was really glad i decided to go
	🥁 10:40am Doug Schulkind: ↳ DJ Peter @10:24 I grab all files as available. Lossless if I have the choice, but I don't discriminate. I have everything on a 20TB external drive, which is backed up on another drive using my Mac's Time Machine AND in the cloud using Backblaze (which Jeff hipped me to). Backblaze has been excellent. When my last external drive crashed, Backblaze had everything lovingly saved. Shipped me a drive with everything preserved on it. I had the option of just buying that drive, or copying it all over onto a new drive and shipping their drive back (which is what I did).
	🥁 10:41am doctorjazz: ↳ hyde @10:30 Where is Blood Ulmer playing?
	🥁 10:41am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @10:38 I'd go! (1) I think he's playing guitar again (not just sitting at a keyboard)? and (2) he's not gonna live forever.
	🥁 10:41am duke: Good morning Jeff and all
	10:41am Jeff Golick: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @10:38 G'morn, Revolution Rabbit Nov63!
	10:42am Jeff Golick: ↳ duke @10:41 Howdy, duke!
	🥁 10:42am hyde: ↳ doctorjazz @10:41 at a church in Cambridge, the Harvard Epworth. it's him solo and then the Dave Bryant quartet
	🥁 10:43am DJ Peter: ↳ Doug Schulkind @10:40 Thanks everyone for the storage solutions! Will check out Backblaze. Maybe it's worth the expense. (I do hate the thought of what server farms are doing to the environment, though.)
	10:45am Dean: doctorjazz, Might the NAS mp3 issue have something to do with the MQA setting on the Technics. If it is on, then Direct is off. I can't say why that would result in mp3, but I'd try both settings, MQA on/off, which entails Direct off/on.
	🥁 10:45am Mxter Baba: hi, Jeff and folx! thanks for the reminder to download my bandcamp purchases ASAP!
	10:46am northguineahills: ducking in as i attempt to return my circadian rhythms to something attempting cyclical for a normal hooman...
	🥁 10:46am doctorjazz: ↳ hyde @10:42 Oh, too much of a commute from Joisey (I Googled for local concert listings, he's not playing in the NY/NJ area. Enjoy!)
	10:48am northguineahills: ↳ Dean @10:45 b/c my brain is off-kilter today, i'm assuming NAS is from illmiatic fame, as represented from queensbridge. yep, i'm sticking to that!
	10:48am Jeff Golick: ↳ Mxter Baba @10:45 Mxter Baba, wonderful to see you! And you too, northguineahills!
	🥁 10:48am doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @10:45 Thanks, Dean-I have to go in and look at those settings. Did you ever get it to Stream WFMU (I love being able to do that)? I use a music playing program (JRiver) to listen to music on the upstairs hard drive, the setting issue may also be in JRiver (which is a bit complex to manage)
	10:49am Dean: See this note on p.114 of the manual: Whether or not each music file can be played back over your network is determined by the network server even if the format of the file is listed above. For example, if you are using Windows Media Player 11, not all music files on the PC are playable. You can play back only those added to the library of Windows Media Player 11.
	10:49am Dean: Nope. Still streaming from a MacBook Air.
	10:50am Dean: Again, I don't quite see how the inability to play a particular format, per that note, would result in a default to mp3.
	10:54am Dean: Help from JRiver? https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=119556.0
	10:54am adamdoesit: My vintage Synology NAS is still running strong. Their pro-level machines are solid stuff, built to last. Plex keeps the media orderly and accessible. The one hitch is that Backblaze (which I use and like) doesn't make it simple to back up a NAS with a personal account. Miss u, CrashPlan.
	🥁 10:56am Listener Gregory: Re: Pilz... Always interested in learning about new dead people!
	10:56am northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Tilly's Eye" by "Itaru Oki Quartet" new to me and digdug! how is it possible?, this is already classic!
	10:58am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @10:54 That is good to know, adamdoesit. I am seriously eyeing a Synology NAS for my next storage upgrade, but do not want to give up Backblaze. Hm. Maybe at some point I can reach out for advice, if needed?
	10:58am northguineahills: ↳ adamdoesit @10:54 seeing as synology is taiwanese, would it be correct to also call it sinology (if linguistics were inviolved)? /this is what happens to me when sleep deprivation happens...
	10:58am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:56 It might be what I do best.
	11:00am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:58 Jeff, but of course! ngh, I assume their trade name is a play on sino- so, yeah.
	🥁 11:03am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "Lonely Woman" by "Peter Perfido - Mike O'Neil - M... ...what is this radical formless Musics ?!? : D ...
	11:04am Dean: At one time, Linn rec'd QNAP TS409 Pro. It so happens that the NYT (whatever) also rec's QNAP: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-network-attached-storage/
	11:05am mackeral: Good morning interneth!
	🥁 11:06am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...NYT of course being the Q235235#KHKHUPPP of Record...
	11:06am Jeff Golick: ↳ mackeral @11:05 Yello, mackeral!
	🥁 11:09am doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @10:54 Yeah, I tried their Help Wiki-they do have a moderator who answers questions, but I usually can't understand or implement the solution suggested...
	🥁 11:10am doctorjazz: ↳ adamdoesit @10:54 Subscribing to Backblaze has been on my To Do list for a few years now (as is getting a NAS)
	11:11am mackeral: ↳ TDK60 @9:47 I saw Ken Vandermark at the Neue Nationalgalerie in Berlin checking out the big Richter exhibit, then realized it must have been bc he was in town for a show! [checks phone] it was the previous night. Damn the world!
	🥁 11:12am doctorjazz: Been digging the set (while getting some work done).
	🥁 11:15am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @11:04 The writer of that Wirecutter review of NASs turns out to be a very significant figure: "He has professionally backed up a diverse array of data, including medical breakthroughs, international news stories, and original Mariah Carey album photos."
	🥁 11:15am doctorjazz: ↳ Dean @10:54 I've been listening to this show through my PC using JRiver (through a modded Microzotl 2 headphone amp, Geek Out SE DAC with digital grunge removal hardware, and Pandora Hope VI Headphones), very geeky, sounding very good (I'm about to go to the stereo, family is awake).
	🥁 11:16am Listener Gregory: ↳ doctorjazz @11:15 Your family deserves to hear it all!
	11:17am Dean: Wait, the original Mariah Carey album photos?! Pandora Hope VI, I take it, has nothing to do with the streaming service.
	🥁 11:19am Doug Schulkind: Can anyone play the bass clarinet and not be embraced by the loving shadow of Eric Dolphy?
	11:20am Dean: There is exactly one bad version of "Lonely Woman." It's called "Very Lonely Woman."
	11:22am mackeral: ↳ Dean @11:17 if you have some rubber bands and glue, you can make your own NAS with some cheap components www.bbc.com... Mine has been attracting cat hair behind the couch for some years now. Only had to reboot it three times.
	11:22am Jeff Golick: ↳ mackeral @11:22 Thanks for the link/tip, mackeral.
	11:23am Jeff Golick: ↳ Doug Schulkind @11:19 Absolutely not.
	🥁 11:23am Doug Schulkind: Oh cool! I grabbed this Eggleston the other day but haven't listened yet.
	11:23am DJ Peter: Oh thank goodness, maybe he can take attention away from Jeff Goldblum
	🥁 11:24am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Smoke Gets in Your Eyes" by "William Eggleston" The photographer??? (I was out of the room during your intro.)
	11:24am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @11:23 Hahaha.
	11:24am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:24 yep
	11:26am Dean: I bet Eggleston has something to say about the original Mariah Carey album photos.
	🥁 11:32am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @11:26 Eggleston was notorious for never digitally backing up his work. Sad!
	11:33am Dean: Compare Warhol, who copied everything multiple times.
	🥁 11:35am WR: ↳ Song: "unbeknownst" by "Matana Roberts" thanks for playing this. Got it on Oct. bc day but haven't listened to it yet.
	11:36am Jeff Golick: ↳ WR @11:35 Oh yeah my pleasure. Welcome back, WR!
	11:37am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Coalhada" by "Sambrasa Trio" Trio = Hermeto Pascoal (piano and flute), Humberto Clayber (bass and harmonica) and Airto Moreira (drums)!
	11:37am northguineahills: ↳ Dean @11:33 that's why the haloid photographic company exists (it copies, and now is xerox)
	🥁 11:38am DJ Peter: ↳ Dean @11:33 LOL
	🥁 11:39am hyde: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:37 Airport Moreira plays on a few records. Just a few
	🥁 11:40am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ hyde @11:39 ...well - always flying off somewhere...
	🥁 11:40am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Airtocorrect...
	11:43am Dean: Airport Moreira really was the name of Doug S.'s first band in high (as in altitude) school.
	11:43am Jeff Golick: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:40 Very very nice.
	🥁 11:45am hyde: haha, stupid auto correct
	11:47am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:43 What a wonderfull spisode! Thanks, Jeff!
	11:48am northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Une Bien Curieuse Planète" by "François Jeanneau" wow, new to me, and digdug! /thanks jeff, you kill!
	11:48am northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Opus 5" by "Peter Evans / Being & Becoming" i mean i know mr evans, but this one too!
	11:49am Jeff Golick: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @11:47 Thanks for being here, Andrew! And to you, ngh! Get some rest!
	🥁 11:49am doctorjazz: Dug the show, thanks, Jeff!
	11:50am StringOFperils: Thanks for :OUT, Jeff. Always a healing listen.
	11:50am Dean: Yow, the cover really is a Kandinsky! I was going to guess it was a contemporary artist influenced somewhat by Anthony Braxton.
	🥁 11:50am Doug Schulkind: Palm is such a stupendous essential magical label.
	11:50am Jeff Golick: Thanks, doc; enjoy Ibrahim! SOp: your words are a balm!
	11:51am mackeral: great show!
	🥁 11:51am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @11:50 Next cut, Jeff will play Kandinsky's noodlings on the cello.
	11:51am northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Opus 5" by "Peter Evans / Being & Becoming" loving the vibes on this, tambien!
	11:52am Dean: Did Kandinsky play?
	11:52am mackeral: ↳ Dean @11:52 great question!
	11:53am Jeff Golick: ↳ mackeral @11:51 Hey thanks for checking in, mackeral!
	11:53am Dean: According to WP, he studied piano and cello, and law and economics.
	11:54am Dean: I bet he was a doodler.
	11:55am adamdoesit: Lovely tunes this morning. Thank you, DJ Jeff G!
	🥁 11:56am chresti: Thanks for the OUT, Jeff!
	11:56am Sem: Thank you, Jeff, an engaging listen, as always. Be well and see you and all the 'bos next time round the circle of fifths.
	11:57am northguineahills: merci bien, jeff!
	🥁 11:57am Listener Gregory: Thanks a lot, Jeff! You hardly lost a step after your week off.
	11:57am coelacanth∅: Thanks Jeff!
	🥁 11:58am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJ JeffG ~
	🥁 11:58am Listener Gregory: Oh, almost forgot: Damn that flute!
	🥁 11:58am hyde: thanks!
	🥁 11:59am WR: ↳ Song: "unbeknownst" by "Matana Roberts" and when I got it, they had a package price for coin coin 1 - 5.
	🥁 11:59am Doug Schulkind: Deeply wonderful show, Jeff.
	🥁 11:59am Yvang: Thanks Jeff!
	🥁 12:00pm WR: Thank you, Jeff.

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