WFMU: This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from January 11, 2024

Listener comments!
	9:00am Handy Haversack: Bright Thursday greetings, Trouble and all the Troubled.
	9:01am Strandlund: I'm here for Trouble!!
	9:01am Aaron Working In Newark: Good Morning~!
	9:01am Dances with Moomins: Hi Trouble and the Troubled of this world moderne.
	9:01am Zip7: Good morning Troubled modernists!
	9:01am Listener Bop Monroe: came for the pidge, stayed for the world!
	9:01am Listener Bryan (the Professor): Morning, Trouble, and all variously gendered modernists!
	9:01am northguineahills: listening w/ a view of the Hudson!
	9:03am dreamyandseedy: good morning Trouble, good morning all!
	9:03am ami ad: Hello DJ. Hello all.
	9:03am Edgar from Maine: /tips beanie
	9:04am Listener Jonny in MA............. d-_-b: sup trouble
	9:04am Crownless Gander: Good morning, all! Love the Camus quote. I hear it, now how to amplify it?
	9:04am Listener Bryan (the Professor): ↳ northguineahills @9:01 glad you got a workaround patch working!
	9:05am northguineahills: ↳ Listener Bryan (the Professor) @9:04 yes indeedy!
	9:05am TDK60: Good morning, DJ Trouble.
	9:05am 2/3 of the Perrin Family: good morning everyone
	9:06am HyperDose: ↳ northguineahills @9:05 You did it! www.reddit.com...
	9:07am Trouble: good morning thursday people!
	9:07am Crownless Gander: ↳ Song: "sweet song of summer" by "the bees gees" Psychedelic Bee Gees are the best Bee Gees!
	9:07am Edgar from Maine: NGH!! Hooray! /fires gun into air 666 times
	9:08am CHAD PEARSON: Dope @$$ BEE GEES tune!
	9:09am listener james from westwood: Morning, Trouble and all! Hope everyone in Hudson County and other vulnerable areas got through the rainstorms OK.
	9:10am Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Good morning Trouble and everyone. Here until it's time for practice.
	9:11am Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ Crownless Gander @9:07 Hard to believe it's the same band that did Stayin' Alive.
	9:12am HyperDose: ↳ Song: "was there a light" by "lori goldston" To answer Lori's question, there was indeed 🕯️
	9:15am Dances with Moomins: Listened without reading, enjoying every minute, and didn't notice you started with the Moomins OST! Hyvä!
	9:18am alanr: Buenos días from Mexico city, again. Waiting for the sun to reappear.
	9:18am Handy Haversack: ↳ Song: "sweet song of summer" by "the bees gees" That was a good premium.
	9:18am TDK60: The International Court of Justice is just to start its hearing brought by South Africa. UN Web TV (webtvun.org)
	9:19am Crownless Gander: Didn’t recognize who this was! Sounds so Western.
	9:19am Trouble: @ dances with moomins: i am so thrilled that santa gave me that cd. AND I am reading tove jansson a winter book.
	9:20am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Crownless Gander @9:19 she was western trained
	9:20am alanr: ↳ TDK60 @9:18 webtv.un.org
	9:22am William Hellfire: This sounds a lot like what David is playing in the film Deep Red when he's writing music and being stalked by a killer.
	9:22am tom tom the pipers son: good morning trouble, and listeners, .... nice collage
	9:23am common: trouble! everyone!
	9:26am northguineahills: ↳ Edgar from Maine @9:07 you might need more ammo, wait, you are a mainiac! 😉 /thanks!
	9:27am Crownless Gander: @TTTPS Interesting! I guess I’ve only heard stuff utilizing Eastern scales before.
	9:28am Dances with Moomins: ↳ Trouble @9:19 Deep winter here with snow and sub zero temps. Did you see the actress Alma Pöysti, who portrayed Tove Jannson, was nominated for a Golden Globe for her performance in "Fallen Leaves" by Aki Kaurismäki? ( were those bird sounds??)
	9:29am radio made of rocks: hey all :)
	9:29am northguineahills: aha, Cannabis Use is a protected class in the City's EEO!
	9:32am Crownless Gander: @Dances Loved Fallen Leaves! And her performance in it.
	9:34am Jason from Screwston: Heyyyyy there. So good this morning… ꒰｡• ◡ •｡꒱
	9:34am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Crownless Gander @9:27 i probably just leaned that off her wiki page... studied in italy iirc
	9:34am Trouble: @danceswith moomins: i didn't connect her as the fab actress who played tove! I haven't seen the aki film , i now must!
	9:34am tom tom the pipers son: learned
	9:35am Philip: mornin'. I dig this one.
	9:35am listener mark ( the dropout): saw poor things tuesday..( 2 gummie enhancement) best movie of the year! Emma stone and lanthimos!!!!
	9:36am Philip: ↳ Dances with Moomins @9:28 Such a fantastic, funny, depressing, subtle, open film.
	9:38am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "love in outer space" by "Sun Ra and his Intergala... i believe this is on 'night of the purple moon' also diff version
	9:39am TDK60: ↳ alanr @9:20 I forgot to say, that ICJ vid is saved at site so we can stay here listening to this Research Ark.
	9:40am Crownless Gander: ↳ Trouble @9:34 She's mesmerizing in it.
	9:40am lmgdo: great artist sun ra
	9:43am Lucky: Clavinet!
	9:44am mb: Morning Trouble and all
	9:48am HyperDose: Rise and shine, mb
	9:48am lm: in the seventies there were many free shows in nyc....saw Don cherry 3 times!!
	9:49am Crownless Gander: ↳ lm @9:48 Wow! Lucky!
	9:50am tom tom the pipers son: pretty sure the sun ra tune is titled 'love in outer space'
	9:50am Dances with Moomins: ↳ Philip @9:36 Kauismäki is master of awkward and poignant. A Finnish treasure. Isn't all of this music dreamy?
	9:51am Ken From Hyde Park: Good morning, Trouble and freeform flock.
	9:51am northguineahills: ok, off to meetingworld. seeyallsers it an hourish (unless i get ambushed w/ another one after this one)
	9:52am Eggmaniac: ↳ Song: "brown rice" by "don cherry" Zappa totally borrowed Brown Rice as the vamp for his Deathless Horsie guitar instrumental.
	9:53am Nonna-Mouse: anyone have a song to tape back up a fractured heart
	9:53am Robm: morning trouble and fellow troublemakers
	9:53am estebangrande: hi Trouble and the Modern
	9:53am Robm: ↳ northguineahills @9:01 glad to see you on the board NGH
	9:54am Artie: ↳ Song: "wake up everybody ( part 1)" by "harold melvin & ... Lovely
	9:56am jdaAndAnoukFromKöln: hi all. hi Trouble. last day of work before … anyone from hanoi listening?
	9:58am Ben from Newark: Hi Trouble, it looks like that Mary Lou Williams record was released in other countries under the name 'The First Lady of Piano'. So maybe 'Lady Piano' as an album title is due to a bad translation? Still doesn't explain her being credited as playing the Lady Piano though...
	9:59am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "master ship ( excerpt)" by "starship commander wo... brilliant...space lady writ large
	9:59am Crownless Gander: ↳ Nonna-Mouse @9:53 "More Love" by Smokey Robinson & the Miracles usually works for me. Born of his own real heartbreak but uplifting as hell. Sorry to hear about your heart. :(
	9:59am love2laf: G'morning Trouble, loving the Modern World sounds this morning. Thank you, as always for your Thursday selections. Hello Robm, good to see you back @ngh and hope work is wonderful. Hello Troubled friends, hope you're all well.
	10:00am Trouble: thnaks!@ben from newark: i was joking. she isn't credited with playing the lady piano, simply piano
	10:00am Robm: ↳ love2laf @9:59 howdy back L2L
	10:01am Noir Lover: ↳ Song: "master ship ( excerpt)" by "starship commander wo... This is killer!
	10:01am rx "rexy" scabin: Good morning, Trouble and Everyone.
	10:01am Andres: ↳ Song: "master ship ( excerpt)" by "starship commander wo... 🔥🔥🔥❤️❤️❤️
	10:02am Listener Bryan (the Professor): I’m really bummed to find out the name starship commander woo woo is taken.
	10:03am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "(For God's Sake) Give More Power to the People" b... slipping into sly and family stone territory
	10:05am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Listener Bryan (the Professor) @10:02 "professor woo woo" is not...
	10:08am TDK60: ↳ Listener Bryan (the Professor) @10:02 Listener Bryan: Some artists have all the luck with their moniker's success with the record buying public. Sigh..
	10:09am Handy Haversack: ↳ Listener Bryan (the Professor) @10:02 "Not that Starship Commander Woo Woo."
	10:09am Philip: ↳ Dances with Moomins @9:50 Absolutely!
	10:09am love2laf: Just finished "The House In The Cerulean Sea" by TJ Klune yesterday. It hit me in all the feels, and I know this book will live in my heart for many years to come. Give it a try, I think you'll be delightfully wowed.
	10:09am estebangrande: well of course. it's a philosophy of money, not of humanity
	10:09am Listener Bryan (the Professor): ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:05 you have a point
	10:09am fevert0nes: No absolutely not.
	10:09am WoodsOfMaine: Until we get beyond the Religion Of Maximizing Shareholder Value, I would say no.
	10:09am Crownless Gander: @Trouble Definitely! It's built into the system that selfishness is rewarded. Let's get on with the smashing.
	10:10am HyperDose: Re: capitalism - youtu.be...
	10:10am Fernanda Zamudio-Suarez: sadly I don't think capitalism encourages us to respect other ppl or even resources, aka mother earth. The system seems to encourage us to do the opposite
	10:11am Listener Bryan (the Professor): ↳ TDK60 @10:08 I'm wondering if the band Woo was just an afterthought.
	10:11am Crownless Gander: Capitalism = a system run by capital. It doesn't care about people or animals or plants or any of the other material foundations of that capital.
	10:11am Boneless Ham: Smash! Smash!! Smash!!!
	10:11am Blofeld: I shop at a market with both self and normal checkout. I always use the normal checkout. Vote with your feet.
	10:11am TDK60: I vote for still having humans at the checkout. In my section of Nueva York I get to practicar mi espa~nol. (Unless said human checkout person appears in sour mood.) I usually avoid self-checkout, mess it up and end up chatting with another human anyway.
	10:11am Cassettivity: Our capitalism is flawed (we need to better enforce anti-trust) but aren't the workers much better off here than they've ever been in the history of humankind?
	10:11am Noir Lover: Capitalism will have to smash itself.
	10:12am Handy Haversack: Capitalism as its basic strategy relies on fostering division among workers. Racism, nationalism, sexism, all the hateful -isms are the strategy of capitalism. So, no, we cannot under capitalism achieve universal respect because if we did so, capitalism, a priori, would have been overcome. Communism is, fundamentally, the politics of love. It is the embodiment of the radical idea that all people are equally worthy. Love is its strategy and its ethos. Now get out there and love-smash.
	10:12am glm: trubble capitalism destroys ..that's why u.s. loves it..they love stomping all the poor people...everything in system perpetuates it..rich people worship...maybe couple generations from now people will wise up a little
	10:12am Vivian: I honestly think there has been a lack of respect for humans, animals and the environment due to capitalism. Imagine the revolt that would happen if Amazon cease to exist (immediate gratification of consumer goods)
	10:12am David Redbranch: No. Capitalism is inherently anti-human. Even the most socialist/liberal/nice version of it requires some people to be “have-nots”. It’s a system that was written and directed by the rich with the purpose of keeping themselves in power. It’s gotta go.
	10:13am WoodsOfMaine: Dang, I'm enjoying this conversation but have to go stack the rest of my firewood before the next wind/destruction event...
	10:13am Cassettivity: What if it's like: capitalism puts the vote in the hands of the consumer, while communism puts the vote in the hands of the state?
	10:14am estebangrande: ↳ estebangrande @10:09 go betty!
	10:14am dreamyandseedy: ↳ Song: "dont call her no tramp ( record plant rough mix)"... that girl's just tryin' to get over!
	10:14am WoodsOfMaine: Thought: there _are_ countries that are more egalitarian despite still employing capitalism. I thinking of Denmark here. OK...firewood...
	10:14am Noir Lover: Nature will destroy capitalism, but it may take humanity down with it.
	10:14am Handy Haversack: ↳ Song: "dont call her no tramp ( record plant rough mix)"... Hell yeah. I had to get a couple of Betty Davis LPs a few weeks back. Call it a compulsion. But there was no way to avoid it.
	10:15am Fernanda Zamudio-Suarez: Does anyone have reading recommendations about capitalism and what to do?
	10:15am Crownless Gander: ↳ Cassettivity @10:13 There is no state in communism. It "withers away."
	10:15am TDK60: I can't recall where but I read recently that the corporations at the head of the food industry pyramid are gouging us. Overpriced. I say, pay those workers much more! (Lifelong anti-capitalist here.)
	10:15am tom tom the pipers son: hearing from someone who lived under communism, the corporate capitalist state we are living under is similar
	10:15am Roberto: ↳ Song: "dont call her no tramp ( record plant rough mix)"... You know you've been WFMU-ized when you immediately recognize Betty's voice.
	10:16am pmcWhenever: regardless of system most peeps gonna be greedy, fearful and most definitely delusional. Cap maximizes the potentials of these very human predilictionz… however you can work it otherwise individually… gotta put my market order in, will they have resupplied the soups this week?
	10:16am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ dreamyandseedy @10:14 ha!
	10:16am Cassettivity: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:15 in theory, but I cant think of historical examples where that happens?
	10:17am Hörer Christoph: Agreed. Capitalism makes people assholes. Any behavior is game, if it's for the good of profit and growth. Let's take the bull by its horn in the sense of "Listen, if you're not interested in the well being of your surroundings, get lost! This is how we roll."
	10:17am Crownless Gander: ↳ Cassettivity @10:16 Yeah, no, there's never been any actual communism. But we're talking purely theoretically here.
	10:18am Cassettivity: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:17 Ah yeah then I'm all for utopian community based systems!
	10:18am estebangrande: ↳ Roberto @10:15 so that's why i got the chills
	10:18am Handy Haversack: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:17 Spain in the thirties and the Paris commune are the closest we have come, and both were suppressed with massive violence because of that.
	10:18am love2laf: Other than a few spaces, like WFMU land, I'm completely disillusioned that humanity has any. Over and over and over, humans chose themselves, make war, ignore the homeless, the ill, the weaker than them.
	10:19am dreamyandseedy: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:14 Light in the Attic just repressed and restocked Nasty Gal!
	10:19am Roberto: ↳ estebangrande @10:18 WFMU gives you chills!
	10:19am Handy Haversack: ↳ dreamyandseedy @10:19 I grabbed They Say I'm Different and Crashin' from Passion.
	10:20am Cassettivity: ↳ love2laf @10:18 But also! There are people creating businesses designed to help people do their jobs better, be better parents, provide better health care, etc etc!
	10:20am Roberto: ↳ love2laf @10:18 No doubt peoples sucks, we need MOAR CATZ
	10:20am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ dreamyandseedy @10:19 how do you repress a nasty gal...;)
	10:20am TDK60: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:18 There were situations that came close in a relative sense. Buried in those history books. Thanks Handy above. (See Chomsky on Spain, 1930s)
	10:20am Roberto: ↳ Roberto @10:20 Healthy, indoor cats, to be specific.
	10:21am Juli: Hello from break time at Montessori
	10:22am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @10:20 And a few "peasants' revolts" in medieval Europe sort of embodied communism in embryo -- also dispatched with all the violence feudalism could muster.
	10:22am lm: song came out in 1972... then things changed peaked with racist nixon.. people really couldn't trust govt to do anything right...been a steady decline...culminating in dementia genocide joe
	10:23am Crownless Gander: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:18 It might also be argued that some Indigenous cultures pre-colonization embodied a sort of communism.
	10:23am Gregosaurus: ↳ Roberto @10:20 They're far more practical than we are, that's for sure.
	10:24am Roberto: ↳ Gregosaurus @10:23 They're nature's exterminators!
	10:24am Cassettivity: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:23 Yeah I think that highlights one of the tricky parts - communism in the theoretical sense works best in small, mono-culture communities, no? I think things get complicated when you increase diversity of culture, no? Not being rhetorical...
	10:25am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "4 am" by "sault" this strikes me as a little c b demille
	10:25am lmg: nice one trubble..never heard sault!!!
	10:25am Crownless Gander: Dang, I gotta got to a meeting! Super interesting conversation, thanks, Trouble, et al.!
	10:25am Mike Sin: I have a lot to say about capitalism, but as I'm about to place yet another $200 order for more petroleum-based vinyl phonographic products that are quite detrimental to the environment, make the oil companies more money, and don't really add any profit to the artists' accounts, I'll shut the hell up.
	10:26am Harry Corvair: ↳ Song: "4 am" by "sault" Getting to love this album more and more.
	10:26am Meesalikeu: speaking of am i black enough for ya, i’m reading goth: a history by lol tolhurst of the cure — who should know, right? its off to a decent start. i wear a black teeshirt when i pick it up to read in homage to my younger gothy days.
	10:26am Handy Haversack: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:23 The radical hospitality ethos of some of the Northeastern Woodland cultures, yeah. There's a great argument in Graeber and Wengrow's The Dawn of Everything that a lot of the "revolutionary" ideas of Europe and then America were actually from Europeans absorbing the politics and cultural ideals of Indigenous cultures and then reflecting on the stratification and moral bankruptcy of their own cultures. So then that whatever political freedom has been snatched from the claws of capital and state power, the struggle that led to it is ultimately inspired by Indigenous American lifeways.
	10:27am jdaAndAnoukFromKöln: tạm biệt - hẹn gặp lại sau 2 tuần nữa. vui vẻ nghe.
	10:27am love2laf: ↳ Mike Sin @10:25 I want to needlepoint this on a pillow, it sums up my feelings, and my flaws, in a very simple way. Hat tip to you Mike Sin.
	10:28am Andrew Waterloo: The basic problem with capitalism is that growth at the top is a bigger priority than stability for the bottom.
	10:28am Juli: Hope you beautifuls Have a beautiful day day
	10:28am Chris Hiatt: Good late morning to all.
	10:28am Handy Haversack: ↳ Cassettivity @10:24 Marx was surprised at the power of nationalism as a weapon to keep workers divided -- and from nationalism, you can expand to any kind of -ism (tribalism, racism), all of which are strategies of capital. The idea that we can unify only with those who look or speak like us is one very much in the service of capital. The point of communism is radically acknowledging equality across all those lines.
	10:29am Cassettivity: ↳ Fernanda Zamudio-Suarez @10:15 "The Myth of Capitalism" is an interesting take on how our system isn't true capitalism, "Every day, the average American transfers a little of their pay check to monopolists and oligopolists"
	10:29am TDK60: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:26 The Neo-Zapatistas in Mexico have evolved some interesting ideas on deliberative decentralized democracy. Been working at it 30 years this month.
	10:30am fevert0nes: The destabilization of the working class is intentional - that is not a problem of capitalism, it is built in and integral to capitalism
	10:30am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:28 i guess hence "the internationale"
	10:30am The Oscar: Been busy working, but my take on capitalism as late is that, somewhere along the line, we collectively accepted the notion that the primary purpose of any company is to make as much money as possible for themselves rather than to make the thing they ostensibly exist to make, and it's hard to think of a single aspect of daily life which hasn't suffered as a result.
	10:30am rx "rexy" scabin: @lmg fabulous group. All albums are good.
	10:31am Dan S: ↳ Juli @10:28 Thanks! You too. Let the sun shine in.
	10:32am Handy Haversack: Note, too, that this whole discussion comes out of how to handle the proliferation of self-checkout lanes at the grocery store! Well done, Trouble! You're a good teacher!
	10:32am Cassettivity: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:28 Interesting, I kind of view it as opposite. I think about that racist NBA owner, yet was paying millions to black employees... in the interest of business. I know pulling out examples isn't the best way - but I also don't think that the historical divisions between religious groups, tribes, etc was because they had capitalism and not communism, no?
	10:33am Andrew Waterloo: ↳ The Oscar @10:30 I think that's the thing.. we willingly accept that a company had to lay off workers while executives are protected. Same with grocery prices.. they have to increase prices to maintain their margins...
	10:35am estebangrande: ↳ fevert0nes @10:30 lack of education is also a useful tool. those who don't think critically are more susceptible to misinformation
	10:37am Handy Haversack: ↳ Cassettivity @10:32 Difference is not the same as division. Divisions have been created, stoked, maintained, and inflamed in order to keep workers from finding common cause against the capitalist class. To take your example, think about how every time there's a labor action in a pro sports league, the Opinion Winds are full of people talking about the "spoiled millionaires" when we should be talking about how ALL of us should have labor protection at least as strong as theirs, how the struggle for autonomy for ANY worker is the struggle for all. But the division -- the casting of athletes as an Other whose problems are not and never can be those of the "common man [sic!]" -- that is something that is carefully crafted by the ownership class.
	10:38am The Oscar: ↳ Andrew Waterloo @10:33 And it's the little things, too: Christmas candy switched over to Valentine's on 12/20, fast food restaurants getting rid of their dining rooms, streaming services shrinking their movie selections by hundreds every month. Nobody likes these things, but we all just accept it on the understanding that someone, somewhere, is making a few extra dollars.
	10:39am estebangrande: ↳ Song: "arrepio" by "marisa monte" recognized her voice immediately. the influence of my ex endures
	10:39am T GRavel: ↳ Song: "arrepio" by "marisa monte" 💜💜💜
	10:42am Adrian in London: Hello Trouble from a chilly but not entirely unpleasant London.
	10:43am David Redbranch: Thoughts on what to do instead of capitalism (hint: it’s not communism and it’s not Utopianism and it doesn’t require human nature to be different than it’s always been): https://www.pdrboston.org/
	10:43am Cassettivity: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:37 Yeah very interesting how our thinking is manipulated. Even on these subjects, they are always around how 'the people' are subjects of the state, or corporations, when instead we could be saying something like, 'start your own business', 'be your own master'.
	10:43am HyperDose: Hot takes! Hot Potatoes! in the chat this morning 🔥🥔
	10:45am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "garden of prayer" by "Max Roach With The J.C. Whi... i'd say lonnie holley could cover this...
	10:45am disco_nap_: Good morning, Troublemakers!
	10:50am Handy Haversack: ↳ disco_nap_ @10:45 Hey, disco_nap_!
	10:52am lm: Archie shepp..love this guy..saw him a few times!
	10:53am bixa: ↳ Song: "dr king, the peaceful warrior" by "archie shepp" lovely song for a new moon
	10:53am disco_nap_: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:50 Hidey-ho neighbor!
	10:54am tom tom the pipers son: interesting to hear about examples of successful communal organizing, 30's spain etc..at the same time think that talk about communism is rhetorical, and asking for belief like a religion as much as capitalism asks for the individual for same belief, then again i read 'animal farm' at an early age
	10:54am Handy Haversack: Crap, I have an 11 AM meeting, and K8's taken all the headphones to work with her. I can't cheat and listen in. Argh. Thanks, Trouble! For the music and for the self-checkout checking-in.
	10:55am Cassettivity: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:54 YO! I saw you at Mama Tried with First President of Japan! ha! Small world!
	10:56am Handy Haversack: ↳ Cassettivity @10:55 Nice! First President rocks! I think that was one of the shows K8 booked? Hard to remember now.
	10:57am Cassettivity: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:56 Creek and Kills were great ;)
	10:57am troubled lm: nice Nina simone vocal!
	10:57am Jason from Houston: ↳ Song: "my man's gone now" by "Nina Simone" The best.
	10:58am Handy Haversack: ↳ Cassettivity @10:57 Hope we can do it again this summer!
	11:00am Art(uro): In order for there to be winners, there need to be losers. Some folks living within this type of system might think they can participate in it with clean hands by only driving a certain type of car, using a certain type of toilet paper, donating to charities, etc. Everyone serves a necessary role in keeping this system operating as it was designed to. So, to answer your question: no Loving the show today. <3
	11:02am Andrea: Wonderful set is soothing today's weirdness! Thank you.
	11:03am estebangrande: ↳ Art(uro) @11:00 someone above made a similar point. there can't be a winner without a loser. how can one experience joy without knowing pain? for the totality of Tao there must exist both yin and yang
	11:03am T GRavel: ↳ Song: "tea bells" by "roland p young" Fun! Such a good show today
	11:04am pmcWhenever: humans are at base evolved animals no matter how many letters or digits of PI we contrive and augment ourselves with…, so know that survival and progeny gonna rule most and be the wise and kind animal and over a very long period of time (prob eons) with a lotta luck (big asteroid happen…) things get more better, meanwhile today you act as a actively better human, increasingly happy, for the brief bit you be around…🖖🏽
	11:05am Chris Hiatt: Great set, DJ Trouble!
	11:07am Trouble: morrismuseum.org...
	11:08am Webhamster Henry: Hi Trouble! I've been listening and an happy to hear about automata!
	11:08am tom tom the pipers son: ought-o-ma-ta
	11:08am Elvin: I second your recommendation.
	11:08am Zip7: Was driving around when Trouble posed her question of the day. Capitalism is about extracting surplus value first and foremost. As Kurnberger wrote, "[It makes] tallow out of cattle and money out of men [sic]." I’ll be out of town next week, so in terms of What Is to Be Done, I’d suggest that the only effective redress to systemic inequality is at the point of production through an invigorated labor movement. Transfer payments after the fact are intended to buy off resistance, and be very wary of techbro proposals for guaranteed minimum income as a means to rationalize their oligarchy.
	11:09am NotARealDoctor: omigosh weird mechanical instruments is extremely my jam! I am going to plan a trip there ASAP
	11:10am Webhamster Henry: It's probably sold out, but Lonnie Holley is playing up in Saugerties on Jan 24th: www.loudmemories.com...
	11:10am disco_nap_: Probably not but I love that you ask these philosophical questions, Trouble.
	11:11am Listener Bryan (the Professor): ↳ Webhamster Henry @11:10 Also as part of GlobalFest on Sunday: www.lincolncenter.org...
	11:11am Art(uro): ↳ estebangrande @11:03 I didn't have it in me to read every (tiny type) comment, and figured it wasn't an original thought, but there it is. :-P
	11:11am fevert0nes: Again, hard no. I think you can encourage your students to dream BEYOND and WITHOUT capitalism
	11:11am disco_nap_: My art teachers were such a lifeline for me as a high schooler. God bless art teachers!
	11:12am Carmen: Love the dreaming Trouble!!
	11:12am Greg Halahan: You were just talking about the 2024 WFMU marathon. That’s capitalism
	11:12am Listener Bryan (the Professor): I went out for a run and you all really went to town on that conversation!
	11:12am Andrea: ↳ Carmen @11:12 yes!!!! must dream.
	11:13am Trouble: not capitalism! @ greg halahan. we are a non profit and i do not get paid
	11:13am Ben from Newark: Thanks for the recommendation! Liz and I will be in Morristown in a few weeks, and will definitely check this out
	11:13am Vivian: ↳ disco_nap_ @11:11 I second your comment, disco_nap! Same went for me.
	11:13am fevert0nes: I can see your question can help them interrogate why capitalism doesn't care and how, but it's worthwhile to then provide thinkers, activists, and makers who are working through those ideas with action. make the dream real and attainable via people doing that work already.
	11:13am Slaboch: Awwww just tuned in and Syl is on! xox
	11:13am estebangrande: ↳ Art(uro) @11:11 all good, it was worth a response. and i didn't read back either for their name 😏
	11:13am Art(uro): ↳ Zip7 @11:08 Agree 100% with your assessment, Re: "techbro proposals" Mark Hurst's every other episode seems to be somewhat about this trend.
	11:13am Sean: I think capitalism relies on insecurity at the bottom tiers. It is kinda inherently anti-human. I'm not sure what the alternative is though without given my too much power to the state. I think any alternative is going to have capitalism in it somewhere somehow because it helps distribute power.
	11:14am rx "rexy" scabin: Thank you, Trouble and Everyone. Time to go.
	11:14am Cassettivity: a thought about how capitalism in the US does not 'disrespect' the worker: to be a global 1%er, you need to make about $60k/yr.
	11:14am TDK60: The Kurdish movement in northern Rojava, Syria have tried some new things over some years, moving away from a former strictly authoritarian form of socialism toward something more democratic, influenced some by ideas of M. Bookchin. (And of course, they face hostility on all sides.)
	11:15am Listener Bryan (the Professor): ↳ Greg Halahan @11:12 survival isn't the same thing as exploitation
	11:16am JReganK: Trouble. Worker Cooperatives. en.wikipedia.org...
	11:16am lgm: trubble..maybe you can study how the ch8nese are doing capitalism...seems to work much better than the western version...they have the people, as a collective, believing in work which lifts up many people into a middle class (that the u.s. doesn't have any more)...which is more sustainable and vibrant..investments in infrastructure and building cities.. the u.s. spends huge amounts of $ to support useless wars...
	11:17am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "stop! i don't need no sympathy" by "lyn roman" have to say tis is a different "soul" take...
	11:18am StringOFperils: ↳ lgm @11:16 China is a human-crushing autocracy that won't even accept personal opinions. China is not working. Not even economically, really.
	11:18am estebangrande: ↳ TDK60 @11:14 in a recent convo with a traveler he stated that in Iraq, "Kurdistan" is functioning as a de facto autonomous entity, definitely less authoritarian. i have no more insights though
	11:19am fevert0nes: People knowing that other ways of living are possible, are our rights, and within our reach are possible and necessary.
	11:21am tom tom the pipers son: if some successful socio/econo system arises i think it will take into account that human beings are flawed
	11:21am Jason from Houston: ↳ Song: "lady marmalade" by "LaBelle" SHOOOOOOOOOOOT
	11:22am JReganK: ↳ StringOFperils @11:18 China is the Neoliberal wet dream: Top down, lockstep capitalism with a tightly controlled population. Devoid of intrinsic, inalienable rights.
	11:22am HyperDose: ↳ Jason from Houston @11:21 Such a vibe
	11:22am Jason from Houston: My appreciation for this radio program knows no bounds.
	11:23am lm: string of perils the u.s. doesn't allow dissent..
	11:23am Spikey BXL: ↳ HyperDose @11:22 can't wait for my vinyl club re-issue of this banger album
	11:23am JReganK: ↳ Jason from Houston @11:21 That has to be From a movie!
	11:23am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "lady marmalade" by "LaBelle" @trouble: you had an ace in the hole and knew when to play it
	11:24am Greg Halahan: So what’s the alternative to capitalism? Socialism? It’s been a failure nearly everywhere.
	11:24am estebangrande: ↳ Song: "i've got what you need" by "mary jane hooper" yea ampin it up
	11:24am Ike: ↳ StringOFperils @11:18 Exactly right. It’s really sad that a few leftists revere a completely fake and extremely brutal “communist” totalitarian state that’s sterilizing Uighurs and putting them in concentration camps. But anything to avoid and deny the ugliness of reality. One guy around here used to call the Hong Kong protesters that China was viciously crushing “CIA cut-outs”, as if the CIA and China can’t both be horrible.
	11:24am StringOFperils: ↳ Greg Halahan @11:24 Capitalism with well-organized social programs, like universal health-care for instance
	11:25am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "i've got what you need" by "mary jane hooper" singer is riding the beat
	11:25am Frank L: Capitalism ? What future does it have after most jobs are Automated? Farming for instance.When it's fully automated, how do the ex farmers buy food? This will happen across all trades. How will a population of former workers "Pay" for their Goods? There will be Plenty of everything available, but the means of "earning" those things will have to evolve into a new model.
	11:26am lm: string of perils totally disagree with that one..universal health care, another scam, run by big pharma
	11:26am northguineahills: ok, back....
	11:26am StringOFperils: ↳ StringOFperils @11:24 You get taxed up the wazoo of course, because everything has to be paid for; but doing ti that way can result in preventing private concerns form skimming 3000 % off the top every day, and then blaming something else when it's broken
	11:26am JReganK: ↳ StringOFperils @11:24 A lot depends on the quality of the health care and the right to bodily autonomy
	11:26am Cassettivity: ↳ StringOFperils @11:24 Yeah. I think we can all picture how any of the existing, popular, possible systems could work if they were implemented correctly. I think the issue in all instances is who/what is running the show...
	11:27am Cassettivity: ↳ Frank L @11:25 Looking to the future, check out population predictions. Population control will be solving some of these issues.
	11:27am lm: not a leftist...just a realist..look at all the destruction u.s. has done in the last 150 years...better read some histiry..not propaganda
	11:28am Listener Bryan (the Professor): ↳ Song: "boomerang" by "Jamila Woods" A Wake fav!
	11:28am MrDeb: Fun set, Trouble! Thank you!💕
	11:28am JReganK: ↳ Cassettivity @11:26 Cui Bono:"Who benefits". Always follow the money.
	11:29am Ken From Hyde Park: The authorities will ban books with words they don't like. Or is that already happening?
	11:29am Spikey BXL: ↳ Listener Bryan (the Professor) @11:28 it keeps coming back
	11:30am JReganK: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @11:29 That's been going on since Gutenberg's bible
	11:30am lm: some of the politicians wanted to execute Julian assange...and Edward snowden... people that speak the truth are imprisoned or executed...not that free a country
	11:31am HyperDose: ↳ Spikey BXL @11:23 Remixed and remastered or just new packaging?
	11:31am StringOFperils: Nothing is simple. Nothing is free. And maybe, just maybe, equality isn't comfortable. Truth is, nobody wants it, because they want to 'do better'. Which means somebody has to fork over their 'share' so that you can take it. So you can have more and more and more. The most successful exemplars of that mythology have run away with the majority of global wealth and they are rapidly working at acquiring the rest of it. And they believe you should too. That's where you live. Use your vote. Ensure everyone you know uses theirs. That's all you have.
	11:31am lm: Curtis Mayfield good choice trubyl!
	11:32am PKNY: ↳ Song: "ghetto child" by "Curtis Mayfield" I don't know if I've heard many live version of the Superfly OST album cuts, this version is off-the-charts great!
	11:32am JReganK: Julian Assange is being "slowly" executed. "Death By A Thousand Cuts".
	11:33am Yes: Morning friends. Happy to be here for the rest of the ride
	11:34am Spikey BXL: ↳ HyperDose @11:31 50th Anniversary edition on 180gr with AAA lacquers cut from tape by Ryan Smith at Sterling Sound
	11:34am JReganK: ↳ Frank L @11:25 The present regime's solution will be suicide stations.
	11:34am Ike: ↳ lm @11:27 Multiple things can be bad at the same time. I do not understand why this is such a difficult concept for some.
	11:35am fevert0nes: voting is useless
	11:35am StringOFperils: Hopelessness is your defeat.
	11:35am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ JReganK @11:32 not to be an equivalent-ist but many executions historically on the left, of course
	11:36am JReganK: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:35 True! Look at the Jacobins.
	11:38am Fredericks: ↳ Song: "accra" King Tubby?
	11:38am JReganK: ↳ fevert0nes @11:35 Definitely! At the federal level. The "Penta-gram" will be fed.
	11:39am JReganK: ↳ Song: "she's a woman" by "betty davis" Betty kicks serious caboose!
	11:39am dreamyandseedy: ↳ Song: "she's a woman" by "betty davis" do we deserve 2 doses of betty?!
	11:40am Frank L: After Automation Completely Replaces Human Labor. {and that's sooner than later} The only viable careers are for Plumbers and, maybe Electricians. Send your kids to Trade School !
	11:40am Trouble: @dreamyandseedy: i do believe we do!
	11:40am JReganK: ↳ dreamyandseedy @11:39 Where's your sense of "warped" entitlement?
	11:40am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ dreamyandseedy @11:39 we are not worthy...ha!
	11:41am disco_nap_: Betty: They Say I'm Different is a beautiful, poetic doc that I recommend everybody check out!
	11:41am dreamyandseedy: ↳ Trouble @11:40 well thank you!
	11:41am dreamyandseedy: ↳ JReganK @11:40 i know I deserve it. i dunno about the rest of you ;)
	11:41am JReganK: ↳ Frank L @11:40 Won't the robots replace those jobs, too?
	11:41am HyperDose: ↳ Spikey BXL @11:34 Nice! That's a top mastering studio 😍
	11:43am Spikey BXL: ↳ HyperDose @11:41 Yeah, I have not been disappointed by the club yet. Always have swap options too.
	11:43am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "she's a woman" by "betty davis" a softer betty
	11:44am Zip7: As dire as the contemporary scenario is, the situation is far from hopeless. We see disaster everywhere; we also see generosity and resistance everywhere. I recently read a fine book by Saskia Sassen titled "Exclusions: Brutality and Complexity in the Global Economy." She concluded: "The spaces of the expelled cry out for conceptual recognition. They are many, they are growing, and they are diversifying . . . They are, potentially, the new spaces for making – making local economies, new histories, and new modes of membership." This is where we have to look – to the spaces of the expelled, to those who are excluded and marginalized as their ranks continue to grow. This is where the new spaces for creation will be.
	11:45am McGroovey: ↳ lm @11:23 I guess that's why the secret police just kicked your door in!
	11:46am JReganK: ↳ Song: "she's a woman" by "betty davis" A more introspective Betty
	11:46am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Zip7 @11:44 agree and nice to hear maybe a blessing these stories are largely ignored by media's gaze
	11:47am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ JReganK @11:46 yeah, that's better
	11:47am Philip: this a soulful thursday! i love it!
	11:48am disco_nap_: ↳ McGroovey @11:45 😂
	11:48am Yes: <33
	11:49am JReganK: ↳ dreamyandseedy @11:41 ;)
	11:49am HyperDose: ↳ Spikey BXL @11:43 Better deal than Colombia House!
	11:50am tom tom the pipers son: @trouble: your selections have been exceptionally on point today, thx for the show
	11:51am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "this is me" by "flora purim" for a sec thought this was free design
	11:51am Trouble: thank you@ tomtom, philip!
	11:52am Purvis: https://archive.org/details/gd1968-01-17.sbd.cotsman.11795.shnf
	11:52am love2laf: Thank you Trouble, a clicky star of a show today. Thanks for the discourse Troubled friends, it's always good to know there are good people, truly good, here, and there is hope in that.
	11:52am TDK60: ↳ Song: "this is me" by "flora purim" Love the Flora. Merci for fine show, DJ T.
	11:52am JReganK: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:51 Free Design with a Latin beat
	11:53am northguineahills: Trouble you make work go by so smoothly! (now that I have work that can go smoothly)
	11:53am Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Trouble. Brightened a gray and cloudy morning.
	11:53am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ JReganK @11:52 they did fool around w/ motown...
	11:54am JReganK: ↳ northguineahills @11:53 Is NYC living up to your expectations?
	11:55am StringOFperils: Thank you for the music, Trouble! And thank you for discussing trouble, music-lovers!
	11:55am HyperDose: Good stuff Trouble. Great minds exchanging ideas. Onward!
	11:56am βrian: Continental Subway is about to depart: wfmu.org...
	11:56am 2/3 of the Perrin Family: thanks for the comradery
	11:56am disco_nap_: ↳ northguineahills @11:53 Oh right! You're a Ridgewoodian now, right?
	11:57am Adrian in London: Thanks Trouble. An afternoon of soul and anticapitalism, a lovely combination.
	11:57am WoodsOfMaine: Stay tuned for Pseu talking about her new dog....or did I hallucinate last night?
	11:57am JReganK: Thnx, Trouble!
	11:57am dreamyandseedy: thanks Trouble!
	11:57am Crownless Gander: Excellent episode! Thanks, Trouble!
	11:58am TDK60: ↳ Adrian in London @11:57 Long time no see, Adrian-amidst-Thames.
	11:58am disco_nap_: The end of The Modern World = meeting time for me 😭 Thanks for the immaculate vibes, Trouble and all!
	11:58am JReganK: ↳ Song: "raindrops, teardrops" by "karin krog" Nice production
	11:58am Listener Bryan (the Professor): Thanks, DJ Trouble & Modern Lovers Debating Society. Hang in there til next week.
	11:58am listener 126464: Thank you, Trouble. Enjoyed the show.
	11:59am northguineahills: ↳ disco_nap_ @11:56 i'm couch surfing right now (but working in manhattan)
	11:59am Nick S.: Nice set, Trouble! Thanks!
	11:59am northguineahills: ↳ JReganK @11:54 mos def!
	11:59am estebangrande: thanks Trouble

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January 11, 2024: "Great ideas, it has been said, come into the world as gently as doves. Perhaps then, if we listen attentively, we shall hear, amid the uproar of empires and nations, a faint flutter of wings, the gentle stirring of life and hope."- Albert Camus

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Format	Comments	New	Approx. start time
graeme miller and steve shill	comet shadow	The Moomins OST						0:00:00 (Pop-up)
the bees gees	sweet song of summer	Synthaesthesia, Volume 2: Scott Williams' 2023 Marathon Premium						0:04:23 (Pop-up)
lori goldston	was there a light "was there a light" by "lori goldston"	film scores	subrosa	2013				0:09:49 (Pop-up)
Emahoy Tsege Mariam Gebru	golgotha	Emahoy Tsege Mariam Gebru	Mississippi Records					0:13:39 (Pop-up)
mary lou williams	taurus "taurus" by "mary lou williams"	lady piano						0:18:43 (Pop-up)
baldruin	reich der illusionen "reich der illusionen" by "baldruin"	Gespensterland (V/A)	bureau B				*	0:20:53 (Pop-up)
Ghost Train Orchestra & Kronos Quartet (ft. Karen Mantler)	fog on the hudson	Songs of Symphonies: The Music of Moondog	cantaloupe				*	0:23:34 (Pop-up)

james bradon lewis, red lily quartet	sparrow	for mahalia, with love	tao forms				*	0:32:23 (Pop-up)
Sun Ra and his Intergalactic Research Arkestra	love in outer space	paradiso 1970	netherlands jazz archief				*	0:35:43 (Pop-up)
don cherry	brown rice "brown rice" by "don cherry"	brown rice						0:46:39 (Pop-up)
harold melvin & the blue notes	wake up everybody ( part 1)	wake up everybody						0:51:45 (Pop-up)
starship commander woo woo	master ship ( excerpt)	Personal Space: Electronic Soul 1974-1984 v/a						0:55:21 (Pop-up)
the chi-lites	(For God's Sake) Give More Power to the People	(For God's Sake) Give More Power to the People						1:01:39 (Pop-up)

betty davis	dont call her no tramp ( record plant rough mix)	They Say I'm Different	light in the attic			reissue	*	1:12:58 (Pop-up)
billy paul	am i black enough for you	360 degrees of billy paul						1:18:15 (Pop-up)
sault	4 am "4 am" by "sault"	aiir						1:22:45 (Pop-up)
salami rose joe louis	always on my mind	akousmatikous	brainfeeder				*	1:30:25 (Pop-up)
colleen	your heart is so loud "your heart is so loud" by "colleen"	Colleen et les boîtes à musique						1:33:21 (Pop-up)
marisa monte	arrepio "arrepio" by "marisa monte"	a great noise						1:37:14 (Pop-up)
The Violinaires	the upper way "the upper way" by "The Violinaires"	Holy Church of the Ecstatic Soul - A Higher Power: Gospel, Funk & Soul at the Crossroads 1971–83 (V/a)	Soul Jazz Records				*	1:39:22 (Pop-up)
Max Roach With The J.C. White Singers	garden of prayer	Lift Every Voice And Sing						1:42:44 (Pop-up)
Max Roach feat. Abbey Lincoln, Coleman Hawkins & Olatunji	driva' man	We Insist! Freedom Now Suite						1:45:51 (Pop-up)
archie shepp	dr king, the peaceful warrior	Things Have Got To Change						1:50:40 (Pop-up)
Nina Simone	my man's gone now "my man's gone now" by "Nina Simone"	the blues						1:54:53 (Pop-up)
roland p young	tea bells "tea bells" by "roland p young"	Moving Forward: This Is the Modern World 2021 Marathon Premium v/a						1:57:26 (Pop-up)

syl johnson	i'm talkin about freedom							2:11:24 (Pop-up)
lyn roman	stop! i don't need no sympathy	What More Can A Woman Do? Brunswick & Chi-Sound Sisters Of Soul						2:14:39 (Pop-up)
Nikki Giovanni	ego tripping "ego tripping" by "Nikki Giovanni"	the reason i like chocolate						2:17:38 (Pop-up)
LaBelle	lady marmalade "lady marmalade" by "LaBelle"	soul hits of the 70's v 14						2:19:49 (Pop-up)
mary jane hooper	i've got what you need				7"			2:22:45 (Pop-up)
Jamila Woods	boomerang "boomerang" by "Jamila Woods"	water made us					*	2:26:02 (Pop-up)
Curtis Mayfield	ghetto child "ghetto child" by "Curtis Mayfield"	black & proud						2:28:59 (Pop-up)
	accra "accra"	studio one space age dub special	Soul Jazz Records			mid 70's dub	*	2:32:05 (Pop-up)
brother to brother	in the bottle "in the bottle" by "brother to brother"	in the bottle						2:35:02 (Pop-up)
betty davis	she's a woman "she's a woman" by "betty davis"	crashin' from passion		1979/2021		previously unreleased	*	2:38:23 (Pop-up)
labi siffre	the vulture "the vulture" by "labi siffre"	remember my name						2:45:35 (Pop-up)
flora purim	this is me "this is me" by "flora purim"	if you will	strut				*	2:50:18 (Pop-up)

karin krog	raindrops, teardrops "raindrops, teardrops" by "karin krog"	we could be flying						2:57:40 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:00am Handy Haversack: Bright Thursday greetings, Trouble and all the Troubled.
	9:01am Strandlund: I'm here for Trouble!!
	9:01am Aaron Working In Newark: Good Morning~!
	9:01am Dances with Moomins: Hi Trouble and the Troubled of this world moderne.
	9:01am Zip7: Good morning Troubled modernists!
	9:01am Listener Bop Monroe: came for the pidge, stayed for the world!
	9:01am Listener Bryan (the Professor): Morning, Trouble, and all variously gendered modernists!
	9:01am northguineahills: listening w/ a view of the Hudson!
	9:03am dreamyandseedy: good morning Trouble, good morning all!
	9:03am ami ad: Hello DJ. Hello all.
	9:03am Edgar from Maine: /tips beanie
	9:04am Listener Jonny in MA............. d-_-b: sup trouble
	9:04am Crownless Gander: Good morning, all! Love the Camus quote. I hear it, now how to amplify it?
	9:04am Listener Bryan (the Professor): ↳ northguineahills @9:01 glad you got a workaround patch working!
	9:05am northguineahills: ↳ Listener Bryan (the Professor) @9:04 yes indeedy!
	9:05am TDK60: Good morning, DJ Trouble.
	9:05am 2/3 of the Perrin Family: good morning everyone
	9:06am HyperDose: ↳ northguineahills @9:05 You did it! www.reddit.com...
	9:07am Trouble: good morning thursday people!
	9:07am Crownless Gander: ↳ Song: "sweet song of summer" by "the bees gees" Psychedelic Bee Gees are the best Bee Gees!
	9:07am Edgar from Maine: NGH!! Hooray! /fires gun into air 666 times
	9:08am CHAD PEARSON: Dope @$$ BEE GEES tune!
	9:09am listener james from westwood: Morning, Trouble and all! Hope everyone in Hudson County and other vulnerable areas got through the rainstorms OK.
	9:10am Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Good morning Trouble and everyone. Here until it's time for practice.
	9:11am Peter from Saranac Lake NY: ↳ Crownless Gander @9:07 Hard to believe it's the same band that did Stayin' Alive.
	9:12am HyperDose: ↳ Song: "was there a light" by "lori goldston" To answer Lori's question, there was indeed 🕯️
	9:15am Dances with Moomins: Listened without reading, enjoying every minute, and didn't notice you started with the Moomins OST! Hyvä!
	9:18am alanr: Buenos días from Mexico city, again. Waiting for the sun to reappear.
	9:18am Handy Haversack: ↳ Song: "sweet song of summer" by "the bees gees" That was a good premium.
	9:18am TDK60: The International Court of Justice is just to start its hearing brought by South Africa. UN Web TV (webtvun.org)
	9:19am Crownless Gander: Didn’t recognize who this was! Sounds so Western.
	9:19am Trouble: @ dances with moomins: i am so thrilled that santa gave me that cd. AND I am reading tove jansson a winter book.
	9:20am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Crownless Gander @9:19 she was western trained
	9:20am alanr: ↳ TDK60 @9:18 webtv.un.org
	9:22am William Hellfire: This sounds a lot like what David is playing in the film Deep Red when he's writing music and being stalked by a killer.
	9:22am tom tom the pipers son: good morning trouble, and listeners, .... nice collage
	9:23am common: trouble! everyone!
	9:26am northguineahills: ↳ Edgar from Maine @9:07 you might need more ammo, wait, you are a mainiac! 😉 /thanks!
	9:27am Crownless Gander: @TTTPS Interesting! I guess I’ve only heard stuff utilizing Eastern scales before.
	9:28am Dances with Moomins: ↳ Trouble @9:19 Deep winter here with snow and sub zero temps. Did you see the actress Alma Pöysti, who portrayed Tove Jannson, was nominated for a Golden Globe for her performance in "Fallen Leaves" by Aki Kaurismäki? ( were those bird sounds??)
	9:29am radio made of rocks: hey all :)
	9:29am northguineahills: aha, Cannabis Use is a protected class in the City's EEO!
	9:32am Crownless Gander: @Dances Loved Fallen Leaves! And her performance in it.
	9:34am Jason from Screwston: Heyyyyy there. So good this morning… ꒰｡• ◡ •｡꒱
	9:34am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Crownless Gander @9:27 i probably just leaned that off her wiki page... studied in italy iirc
	9:34am Trouble: @danceswith moomins: i didn't connect her as the fab actress who played tove! I haven't seen the aki film , i now must!
	9:34am tom tom the pipers son: learned
	9:35am Philip: mornin'. I dig this one.
	9:35am listener mark ( the dropout): saw poor things tuesday..( 2 gummie enhancement) best movie of the year! Emma stone and lanthimos!!!!
	9:36am Philip: ↳ Dances with Moomins @9:28 Such a fantastic, funny, depressing, subtle, open film.
	9:38am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "love in outer space" by "Sun Ra and his Intergala... i believe this is on 'night of the purple moon' also diff version
	9:39am TDK60: ↳ alanr @9:20 I forgot to say, that ICJ vid is saved at site so we can stay here listening to this Research Ark.
	9:40am Crownless Gander: ↳ Trouble @9:34 She's mesmerizing in it.
	9:40am lmgdo: great artist sun ra
	9:43am Lucky: Clavinet!
	9:44am mb: Morning Trouble and all
	9:48am HyperDose: Rise and shine, mb
	9:48am lm: in the seventies there were many free shows in nyc....saw Don cherry 3 times!!
	9:49am Crownless Gander: ↳ lm @9:48 Wow! Lucky!
	9:50am tom tom the pipers son: pretty sure the sun ra tune is titled 'love in outer space'
	9:50am Dances with Moomins: ↳ Philip @9:36 Kauismäki is master of awkward and poignant. A Finnish treasure. Isn't all of this music dreamy?
	9:51am Ken From Hyde Park: Good morning, Trouble and freeform flock.
	9:51am northguineahills: ok, off to meetingworld. seeyallsers it an hourish (unless i get ambushed w/ another one after this one)
	9:52am Eggmaniac: ↳ Song: "brown rice" by "don cherry" Zappa totally borrowed Brown Rice as the vamp for his Deathless Horsie guitar instrumental.
	9:53am Nonna-Mouse: anyone have a song to tape back up a fractured heart
	9:53am Robm: morning trouble and fellow troublemakers
	9:53am estebangrande: hi Trouble and the Modern
	9:53am Robm: ↳ northguineahills @9:01 glad to see you on the board NGH
	9:54am Artie: ↳ Song: "wake up everybody ( part 1)" by "harold melvin & ... Lovely
	9:56am jdaAndAnoukFromKöln: hi all. hi Trouble. last day of work before … anyone from hanoi listening?
	9:58am Ben from Newark: Hi Trouble, it looks like that Mary Lou Williams record was released in other countries under the name 'The First Lady of Piano'. So maybe 'Lady Piano' as an album title is due to a bad translation? Still doesn't explain her being credited as playing the Lady Piano though...
	9:59am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "master ship ( excerpt)" by "starship commander wo... brilliant...space lady writ large
	9:59am Crownless Gander: ↳ Nonna-Mouse @9:53 "More Love" by Smokey Robinson & the Miracles usually works for me. Born of his own real heartbreak but uplifting as hell. Sorry to hear about your heart. :(
	9:59am love2laf: G'morning Trouble, loving the Modern World sounds this morning. Thank you, as always for your Thursday selections. Hello Robm, good to see you back @ngh and hope work is wonderful. Hello Troubled friends, hope you're all well.
	10:00am Trouble: thnaks!@ben from newark: i was joking. she isn't credited with playing the lady piano, simply piano
	10:00am Robm: ↳ love2laf @9:59 howdy back L2L
	10:01am Noir Lover: ↳ Song: "master ship ( excerpt)" by "starship commander wo... This is killer!
	10:01am rx "rexy" scabin: Good morning, Trouble and Everyone.
	10:01am Andres: ↳ Song: "master ship ( excerpt)" by "starship commander wo... 🔥🔥🔥❤️❤️❤️
	10:02am Listener Bryan (the Professor): I’m really bummed to find out the name starship commander woo woo is taken.
	10:03am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "(For God's Sake) Give More Power to the People" b... slipping into sly and family stone territory
	10:05am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Listener Bryan (the Professor) @10:02 "professor woo woo" is not...
	10:08am TDK60: ↳ Listener Bryan (the Professor) @10:02 Listener Bryan: Some artists have all the luck with their moniker's success with the record buying public. Sigh..
	10:09am Handy Haversack: ↳ Listener Bryan (the Professor) @10:02 "Not that Starship Commander Woo Woo."
	10:09am Philip: ↳ Dances with Moomins @9:50 Absolutely!
	10:09am love2laf: Just finished "The House In The Cerulean Sea" by TJ Klune yesterday. It hit me in all the feels, and I know this book will live in my heart for many years to come. Give it a try, I think you'll be delightfully wowed.
	10:09am estebangrande: well of course. it's a philosophy of money, not of humanity
	10:09am Listener Bryan (the Professor): ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:05 you have a point
	10:09am fevert0nes: No absolutely not.
	10:09am WoodsOfMaine: Until we get beyond the Religion Of Maximizing Shareholder Value, I would say no.
	10:09am Crownless Gander: @Trouble Definitely! It's built into the system that selfishness is rewarded. Let's get on with the smashing.
	10:10am HyperDose: Re: capitalism - youtu.be...
	10:10am Fernanda Zamudio-Suarez: sadly I don't think capitalism encourages us to respect other ppl or even resources, aka mother earth. The system seems to encourage us to do the opposite
	10:11am Listener Bryan (the Professor): ↳ TDK60 @10:08 I'm wondering if the band Woo was just an afterthought.
	10:11am Crownless Gander: Capitalism = a system run by capital. It doesn't care about people or animals or plants or any of the other material foundations of that capital.
	10:11am Boneless Ham: Smash! Smash!! Smash!!!
	10:11am Blofeld: I shop at a market with both self and normal checkout. I always use the normal checkout. Vote with your feet.
	10:11am TDK60: I vote for still having humans at the checkout. In my section of Nueva York I get to practicar mi espa~nol. (Unless said human checkout person appears in sour mood.) I usually avoid self-checkout, mess it up and end up chatting with another human anyway.
	10:11am Cassettivity: Our capitalism is flawed (we need to better enforce anti-trust) but aren't the workers much better off here than they've ever been in the history of humankind?
	10:11am Noir Lover: Capitalism will have to smash itself.
	10:12am Handy Haversack: Capitalism as its basic strategy relies on fostering division among workers. Racism, nationalism, sexism, all the hateful -isms are the strategy of capitalism. So, no, we cannot under capitalism achieve universal respect because if we did so, capitalism, a priori, would have been overcome. Communism is, fundamentally, the politics of love. It is the embodiment of the radical idea that all people are equally worthy. Love is its strategy and its ethos. Now get out there and love-smash.
	10:12am glm: trubble capitalism destroys ..that's why u.s. loves it..they love stomping all the poor people...everything in system perpetuates it..rich people worship...maybe couple generations from now people will wise up a little
	10:12am Vivian: I honestly think there has been a lack of respect for humans, animals and the environment due to capitalism. Imagine the revolt that would happen if Amazon cease to exist (immediate gratification of consumer goods)
	10:12am David Redbranch: No. Capitalism is inherently anti-human. Even the most socialist/liberal/nice version of it requires some people to be “have-nots”. It’s a system that was written and directed by the rich with the purpose of keeping themselves in power. It’s gotta go.
	10:13am WoodsOfMaine: Dang, I'm enjoying this conversation but have to go stack the rest of my firewood before the next wind/destruction event...
	10:13am Cassettivity: What if it's like: capitalism puts the vote in the hands of the consumer, while communism puts the vote in the hands of the state?
	10:14am estebangrande: ↳ estebangrande @10:09 go betty!
	10:14am dreamyandseedy: ↳ Song: "dont call her no tramp ( record plant rough mix)"... that girl's just tryin' to get over!
	10:14am WoodsOfMaine: Thought: there _are_ countries that are more egalitarian despite still employing capitalism. I thinking of Denmark here. OK...firewood...
	10:14am Noir Lover: Nature will destroy capitalism, but it may take humanity down with it.
	10:14am Handy Haversack: ↳ Song: "dont call her no tramp ( record plant rough mix)"... Hell yeah. I had to get a couple of Betty Davis LPs a few weeks back. Call it a compulsion. But there was no way to avoid it.
	10:15am Fernanda Zamudio-Suarez: Does anyone have reading recommendations about capitalism and what to do?
	10:15am Crownless Gander: ↳ Cassettivity @10:13 There is no state in communism. It "withers away."
	10:15am TDK60: I can't recall where but I read recently that the corporations at the head of the food industry pyramid are gouging us. Overpriced. I say, pay those workers much more! (Lifelong anti-capitalist here.)
	10:15am tom tom the pipers son: hearing from someone who lived under communism, the corporate capitalist state we are living under is similar
	10:15am Roberto: ↳ Song: "dont call her no tramp ( record plant rough mix)"... You know you've been WFMU-ized when you immediately recognize Betty's voice.
	10:16am pmcWhenever: regardless of system most peeps gonna be greedy, fearful and most definitely delusional. Cap maximizes the potentials of these very human predilictionz… however you can work it otherwise individually… gotta put my market order in, will they have resupplied the soups this week?
	10:16am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ dreamyandseedy @10:14 ha!
	10:16am Cassettivity: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:15 in theory, but I cant think of historical examples where that happens?
	10:17am Hörer Christoph: Agreed. Capitalism makes people assholes. Any behavior is game, if it's for the good of profit and growth. Let's take the bull by its horn in the sense of "Listen, if you're not interested in the well being of your surroundings, get lost! This is how we roll."
	10:17am Crownless Gander: ↳ Cassettivity @10:16 Yeah, no, there's never been any actual communism. But we're talking purely theoretically here.
	10:18am Cassettivity: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:17 Ah yeah then I'm all for utopian community based systems!
	10:18am estebangrande: ↳ Roberto @10:15 so that's why i got the chills
	10:18am Handy Haversack: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:17 Spain in the thirties and the Paris commune are the closest we have come, and both were suppressed with massive violence because of that.
	10:18am love2laf: Other than a few spaces, like WFMU land, I'm completely disillusioned that humanity has any. Over and over and over, humans chose themselves, make war, ignore the homeless, the ill, the weaker than them.
	10:19am dreamyandseedy: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:14 Light in the Attic just repressed and restocked Nasty Gal!
	10:19am Roberto: ↳ estebangrande @10:18 WFMU gives you chills!
	10:19am Handy Haversack: ↳ dreamyandseedy @10:19 I grabbed They Say I'm Different and Crashin' from Passion.
	10:20am Cassettivity: ↳ love2laf @10:18 But also! There are people creating businesses designed to help people do their jobs better, be better parents, provide better health care, etc etc!
	10:20am Roberto: ↳ love2laf @10:18 No doubt peoples sucks, we need MOAR CATZ
	10:20am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ dreamyandseedy @10:19 how do you repress a nasty gal...;)
	10:20am TDK60: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:18 There were situations that came close in a relative sense. Buried in those history books. Thanks Handy above. (See Chomsky on Spain, 1930s)
	10:20am Roberto: ↳ Roberto @10:20 Healthy, indoor cats, to be specific.
	10:21am Juli: Hello from break time at Montessori
	10:22am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @10:20 And a few "peasants' revolts" in medieval Europe sort of embodied communism in embryo -- also dispatched with all the violence feudalism could muster.
	10:22am lm: song came out in 1972... then things changed peaked with racist nixon.. people really couldn't trust govt to do anything right...been a steady decline...culminating in dementia genocide joe
	10:23am Crownless Gander: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:18 It might also be argued that some Indigenous cultures pre-colonization embodied a sort of communism.
	10:23am Gregosaurus: ↳ Roberto @10:20 They're far more practical than we are, that's for sure.
	10:24am Roberto: ↳ Gregosaurus @10:23 They're nature's exterminators!
	10:24am Cassettivity: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:23 Yeah I think that highlights one of the tricky parts - communism in the theoretical sense works best in small, mono-culture communities, no? I think things get complicated when you increase diversity of culture, no? Not being rhetorical...
	10:25am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "4 am" by "sault" this strikes me as a little c b demille
	10:25am lmg: nice one trubble..never heard sault!!!
	10:25am Crownless Gander: Dang, I gotta got to a meeting! Super interesting conversation, thanks, Trouble, et al.!
	10:25am Mike Sin: I have a lot to say about capitalism, but as I'm about to place yet another $200 order for more petroleum-based vinyl phonographic products that are quite detrimental to the environment, make the oil companies more money, and don't really add any profit to the artists' accounts, I'll shut the hell up.
	10:26am Harry Corvair: ↳ Song: "4 am" by "sault" Getting to love this album more and more.
	10:26am Meesalikeu: speaking of am i black enough for ya, i’m reading goth: a history by lol tolhurst of the cure — who should know, right? its off to a decent start. i wear a black teeshirt when i pick it up to read in homage to my younger gothy days.
	10:26am Handy Haversack: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:23 The radical hospitality ethos of some of the Northeastern Woodland cultures, yeah. There's a great argument in Graeber and Wengrow's The Dawn of Everything that a lot of the "revolutionary" ideas of Europe and then America were actually from Europeans absorbing the politics and cultural ideals of Indigenous cultures and then reflecting on the stratification and moral bankruptcy of their own cultures. So then that whatever political freedom has been snatched from the claws of capital and state power, the struggle that led to it is ultimately inspired by Indigenous American lifeways.
	10:27am jdaAndAnoukFromKöln: tạm biệt - hẹn gặp lại sau 2 tuần nữa. vui vẻ nghe.
	10:27am love2laf: ↳ Mike Sin @10:25 I want to needlepoint this on a pillow, it sums up my feelings, and my flaws, in a very simple way. Hat tip to you Mike Sin.
	10:28am Andrew Waterloo: The basic problem with capitalism is that growth at the top is a bigger priority than stability for the bottom.
	10:28am Juli: Hope you beautifuls Have a beautiful day day
	10:28am Chris Hiatt: Good late morning to all.
	10:28am Handy Haversack: ↳ Cassettivity @10:24 Marx was surprised at the power of nationalism as a weapon to keep workers divided -- and from nationalism, you can expand to any kind of -ism (tribalism, racism), all of which are strategies of capital. The idea that we can unify only with those who look or speak like us is one very much in the service of capital. The point of communism is radically acknowledging equality across all those lines.
	10:29am Cassettivity: ↳ Fernanda Zamudio-Suarez @10:15 "The Myth of Capitalism" is an interesting take on how our system isn't true capitalism, "Every day, the average American transfers a little of their pay check to monopolists and oligopolists"
	10:29am TDK60: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:26 The Neo-Zapatistas in Mexico have evolved some interesting ideas on deliberative decentralized democracy. Been working at it 30 years this month.
	10:30am fevert0nes: The destabilization of the working class is intentional - that is not a problem of capitalism, it is built in and integral to capitalism
	10:30am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:28 i guess hence "the internationale"
	10:30am The Oscar: Been busy working, but my take on capitalism as late is that, somewhere along the line, we collectively accepted the notion that the primary purpose of any company is to make as much money as possible for themselves rather than to make the thing they ostensibly exist to make, and it's hard to think of a single aspect of daily life which hasn't suffered as a result.
	10:30am rx "rexy" scabin: @lmg fabulous group. All albums are good.
	10:31am Dan S: ↳ Juli @10:28 Thanks! You too. Let the sun shine in.
	10:32am Handy Haversack: Note, too, that this whole discussion comes out of how to handle the proliferation of self-checkout lanes at the grocery store! Well done, Trouble! You're a good teacher!
	10:32am Cassettivity: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:28 Interesting, I kind of view it as opposite. I think about that racist NBA owner, yet was paying millions to black employees... in the interest of business. I know pulling out examples isn't the best way - but I also don't think that the historical divisions between religious groups, tribes, etc was because they had capitalism and not communism, no?
	10:33am Andrew Waterloo: ↳ The Oscar @10:30 I think that's the thing.. we willingly accept that a company had to lay off workers while executives are protected. Same with grocery prices.. they have to increase prices to maintain their margins...
	10:35am estebangrande: ↳ fevert0nes @10:30 lack of education is also a useful tool. those who don't think critically are more susceptible to misinformation
	10:37am Handy Haversack: ↳ Cassettivity @10:32 Difference is not the same as division. Divisions have been created, stoked, maintained, and inflamed in order to keep workers from finding common cause against the capitalist class. To take your example, think about how every time there's a labor action in a pro sports league, the Opinion Winds are full of people talking about the "spoiled millionaires" when we should be talking about how ALL of us should have labor protection at least as strong as theirs, how the struggle for autonomy for ANY worker is the struggle for all. But the division -- the casting of athletes as an Other whose problems are not and never can be those of the "common man [sic!]" -- that is something that is carefully crafted by the ownership class.
	10:38am The Oscar: ↳ Andrew Waterloo @10:33 And it's the little things, too: Christmas candy switched over to Valentine's on 12/20, fast food restaurants getting rid of their dining rooms, streaming services shrinking their movie selections by hundreds every month. Nobody likes these things, but we all just accept it on the understanding that someone, somewhere, is making a few extra dollars.
	10:39am estebangrande: ↳ Song: "arrepio" by "marisa monte" recognized her voice immediately. the influence of my ex endures
	10:39am T GRavel: ↳ Song: "arrepio" by "marisa monte" 💜💜💜
	10:42am Adrian in London: Hello Trouble from a chilly but not entirely unpleasant London.
	10:43am David Redbranch: Thoughts on what to do instead of capitalism (hint: it’s not communism and it’s not Utopianism and it doesn’t require human nature to be different than it’s always been): https://www.pdrboston.org/
	10:43am Cassettivity: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:37 Yeah very interesting how our thinking is manipulated. Even on these subjects, they are always around how 'the people' are subjects of the state, or corporations, when instead we could be saying something like, 'start your own business', 'be your own master'.
	10:43am HyperDose: Hot takes! Hot Potatoes! in the chat this morning 🔥🥔
	10:45am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "garden of prayer" by "Max Roach With The J.C. Whi... i'd say lonnie holley could cover this...
	10:45am disco_nap_: Good morning, Troublemakers!
	10:50am Handy Haversack: ↳ disco_nap_ @10:45 Hey, disco_nap_!
	10:52am lm: Archie shepp..love this guy..saw him a few times!
	10:53am bixa: ↳ Song: "dr king, the peaceful warrior" by "archie shepp" lovely song for a new moon
	10:53am disco_nap_: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:50 Hidey-ho neighbor!
	10:54am tom tom the pipers son: interesting to hear about examples of successful communal organizing, 30's spain etc..at the same time think that talk about communism is rhetorical, and asking for belief like a religion as much as capitalism asks for the individual for same belief, then again i read 'animal farm' at an early age
	10:54am Handy Haversack: Crap, I have an 11 AM meeting, and K8's taken all the headphones to work with her. I can't cheat and listen in. Argh. Thanks, Trouble! For the music and for the self-checkout checking-in.
	10:55am Cassettivity: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:54 YO! I saw you at Mama Tried with First President of Japan! ha! Small world!
	10:56am Handy Haversack: ↳ Cassettivity @10:55 Nice! First President rocks! I think that was one of the shows K8 booked? Hard to remember now.
	10:57am Cassettivity: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:56 Creek and Kills were great ;)
	10:57am troubled lm: nice Nina simone vocal!
	10:57am Jason from Houston: ↳ Song: "my man's gone now" by "Nina Simone" The best.
	10:58am Handy Haversack: ↳ Cassettivity @10:57 Hope we can do it again this summer!
	11:00am Art(uro): In order for there to be winners, there need to be losers. Some folks living within this type of system might think they can participate in it with clean hands by only driving a certain type of car, using a certain type of toilet paper, donating to charities, etc. Everyone serves a necessary role in keeping this system operating as it was designed to. So, to answer your question: no Loving the show today. <3
	11:02am Andrea: Wonderful set is soothing today's weirdness! Thank you.
	11:03am estebangrande: ↳ Art(uro) @11:00 someone above made a similar point. there can't be a winner without a loser. how can one experience joy without knowing pain? for the totality of Tao there must exist both yin and yang
	11:03am T GRavel: ↳ Song: "tea bells" by "roland p young" Fun! Such a good show today
	11:04am pmcWhenever: humans are at base evolved animals no matter how many letters or digits of PI we contrive and augment ourselves with…, so know that survival and progeny gonna rule most and be the wise and kind animal and over a very long period of time (prob eons) with a lotta luck (big asteroid happen…) things get more better, meanwhile today you act as a actively better human, increasingly happy, for the brief bit you be around…🖖🏽
	11:05am Chris Hiatt: Great set, DJ Trouble!
	11:07am Trouble: morrismuseum.org...
	11:08am Webhamster Henry: Hi Trouble! I've been listening and an happy to hear about automata!
	11:08am tom tom the pipers son: ought-o-ma-ta
	11:08am Elvin: I second your recommendation.
	11:08am Zip7: Was driving around when Trouble posed her question of the day. Capitalism is about extracting surplus value first and foremost. As Kurnberger wrote, "[It makes] tallow out of cattle and money out of men [sic]." I’ll be out of town next week, so in terms of What Is to Be Done, I’d suggest that the only effective redress to systemic inequality is at the point of production through an invigorated labor movement. Transfer payments after the fact are intended to buy off resistance, and be very wary of techbro proposals for guaranteed minimum income as a means to rationalize their oligarchy.
	11:09am NotARealDoctor: omigosh weird mechanical instruments is extremely my jam! I am going to plan a trip there ASAP
	11:10am Webhamster Henry: It's probably sold out, but Lonnie Holley is playing up in Saugerties on Jan 24th: www.loudmemories.com...
	11:10am disco_nap_: Probably not but I love that you ask these philosophical questions, Trouble.
	11:11am Listener Bryan (the Professor): ↳ Webhamster Henry @11:10 Also as part of GlobalFest on Sunday: www.lincolncenter.org...
	11:11am Art(uro): ↳ estebangrande @11:03 I didn't have it in me to read every (tiny type) comment, and figured it wasn't an original thought, but there it is. :-P
	11:11am fevert0nes: Again, hard no. I think you can encourage your students to dream BEYOND and WITHOUT capitalism
	11:11am disco_nap_: My art teachers were such a lifeline for me as a high schooler. God bless art teachers!
	11:12am Carmen: Love the dreaming Trouble!!
	11:12am Greg Halahan: You were just talking about the 2024 WFMU marathon. That’s capitalism
	11:12am Listener Bryan (the Professor): I went out for a run and you all really went to town on that conversation!
	11:12am Andrea: ↳ Carmen @11:12 yes!!!! must dream.
	11:13am Trouble: not capitalism! @ greg halahan. we are a non profit and i do not get paid
	11:13am Ben from Newark: Thanks for the recommendation! Liz and I will be in Morristown in a few weeks, and will definitely check this out
	11:13am Vivian: ↳ disco_nap_ @11:11 I second your comment, disco_nap! Same went for me.
	11:13am fevert0nes: I can see your question can help them interrogate why capitalism doesn't care and how, but it's worthwhile to then provide thinkers, activists, and makers who are working through those ideas with action. make the dream real and attainable via people doing that work already.
	11:13am Slaboch: Awwww just tuned in and Syl is on! xox
	11:13am estebangrande: ↳ Art(uro) @11:11 all good, it was worth a response. and i didn't read back either for their name 😏
	11:13am Art(uro): ↳ Zip7 @11:08 Agree 100% with your assessment, Re: "techbro proposals" Mark Hurst's every other episode seems to be somewhat about this trend.
	11:13am Sean: I think capitalism relies on insecurity at the bottom tiers. It is kinda inherently anti-human. I'm not sure what the alternative is though without given my too much power to the state. I think any alternative is going to have capitalism in it somewhere somehow because it helps distribute power.
	11:14am rx "rexy" scabin: Thank you, Trouble and Everyone. Time to go.
	11:14am Cassettivity: a thought about how capitalism in the US does not 'disrespect' the worker: to be a global 1%er, you need to make about $60k/yr.
	11:14am TDK60: The Kurdish movement in northern Rojava, Syria have tried some new things over some years, moving away from a former strictly authoritarian form of socialism toward something more democratic, influenced some by ideas of M. Bookchin. (And of course, they face hostility on all sides.)
	11:15am Listener Bryan (the Professor): ↳ Greg Halahan @11:12 survival isn't the same thing as exploitation
	11:16am JReganK: Trouble. Worker Cooperatives. en.wikipedia.org...
	11:16am lgm: trubble..maybe you can study how the ch8nese are doing capitalism...seems to work much better than the western version...they have the people, as a collective, believing in work which lifts up many people into a middle class (that the u.s. doesn't have any more)...which is more sustainable and vibrant..investments in infrastructure and building cities.. the u.s. spends huge amounts of $ to support useless wars...
	11:17am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "stop! i don't need no sympathy" by "lyn roman" have to say tis is a different "soul" take...
	11:18am StringOFperils: ↳ lgm @11:16 China is a human-crushing autocracy that won't even accept personal opinions. China is not working. Not even economically, really.
	11:18am estebangrande: ↳ TDK60 @11:14 in a recent convo with a traveler he stated that in Iraq, "Kurdistan" is functioning as a de facto autonomous entity, definitely less authoritarian. i have no more insights though
	11:19am fevert0nes: People knowing that other ways of living are possible, are our rights, and within our reach are possible and necessary.
	11:21am tom tom the pipers son: if some successful socio/econo system arises i think it will take into account that human beings are flawed
	11:21am Jason from Houston: ↳ Song: "lady marmalade" by "LaBelle" SHOOOOOOOOOOOT
	11:22am JReganK: ↳ StringOFperils @11:18 China is the Neoliberal wet dream: Top down, lockstep capitalism with a tightly controlled population. Devoid of intrinsic, inalienable rights.
	11:22am HyperDose: ↳ Jason from Houston @11:21 Such a vibe
	11:22am Jason from Houston: My appreciation for this radio program knows no bounds.
	11:23am lm: string of perils the u.s. doesn't allow dissent..
	11:23am Spikey BXL: ↳ HyperDose @11:22 can't wait for my vinyl club re-issue of this banger album
	11:23am JReganK: ↳ Jason from Houston @11:21 That has to be From a movie!
	11:23am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "lady marmalade" by "LaBelle" @trouble: you had an ace in the hole and knew when to play it
	11:24am Greg Halahan: So what’s the alternative to capitalism? Socialism? It’s been a failure nearly everywhere.
	11:24am estebangrande: ↳ Song: "i've got what you need" by "mary jane hooper" yea ampin it up
	11:24am Ike: ↳ StringOFperils @11:18 Exactly right. It’s really sad that a few leftists revere a completely fake and extremely brutal “communist” totalitarian state that’s sterilizing Uighurs and putting them in concentration camps. But anything to avoid and deny the ugliness of reality. One guy around here used to call the Hong Kong protesters that China was viciously crushing “CIA cut-outs”, as if the CIA and China can’t both be horrible.
	11:24am StringOFperils: ↳ Greg Halahan @11:24 Capitalism with well-organized social programs, like universal health-care for instance
	11:25am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "i've got what you need" by "mary jane hooper" singer is riding the beat
	11:25am Frank L: Capitalism ? What future does it have after most jobs are Automated? Farming for instance.When it's fully automated, how do the ex farmers buy food? This will happen across all trades. How will a population of former workers "Pay" for their Goods? There will be Plenty of everything available, but the means of "earning" those things will have to evolve into a new model.
	11:26am lm: string of perils totally disagree with that one..universal health care, another scam, run by big pharma
	11:26am northguineahills: ok, back....
	11:26am StringOFperils: ↳ StringOFperils @11:24 You get taxed up the wazoo of course, because everything has to be paid for; but doing ti that way can result in preventing private concerns form skimming 3000 % off the top every day, and then blaming something else when it's broken
	11:26am JReganK: ↳ StringOFperils @11:24 A lot depends on the quality of the health care and the right to bodily autonomy
	11:26am Cassettivity: ↳ StringOFperils @11:24 Yeah. I think we can all picture how any of the existing, popular, possible systems could work if they were implemented correctly. I think the issue in all instances is who/what is running the show...
	11:27am Cassettivity: ↳ Frank L @11:25 Looking to the future, check out population predictions. Population control will be solving some of these issues.
	11:27am lm: not a leftist...just a realist..look at all the destruction u.s. has done in the last 150 years...better read some histiry..not propaganda
	11:28am Listener Bryan (the Professor): ↳ Song: "boomerang" by "Jamila Woods" A Wake fav!
	11:28am MrDeb: Fun set, Trouble! Thank you!💕
	11:28am JReganK: ↳ Cassettivity @11:26 Cui Bono:"Who benefits". Always follow the money.
	11:29am Ken From Hyde Park: The authorities will ban books with words they don't like. Or is that already happening?
	11:29am Spikey BXL: ↳ Listener Bryan (the Professor) @11:28 it keeps coming back
	11:30am JReganK: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @11:29 That's been going on since Gutenberg's bible
	11:30am lm: some of the politicians wanted to execute Julian assange...and Edward snowden... people that speak the truth are imprisoned or executed...not that free a country
	11:31am HyperDose: ↳ Spikey BXL @11:23 Remixed and remastered or just new packaging?
	11:31am StringOFperils: Nothing is simple. Nothing is free. And maybe, just maybe, equality isn't comfortable. Truth is, nobody wants it, because they want to 'do better'. Which means somebody has to fork over their 'share' so that you can take it. So you can have more and more and more. The most successful exemplars of that mythology have run away with the majority of global wealth and they are rapidly working at acquiring the rest of it. And they believe you should too. That's where you live. Use your vote. Ensure everyone you know uses theirs. That's all you have.
	11:31am lm: Curtis Mayfield good choice trubyl!
	11:32am PKNY: ↳ Song: "ghetto child" by "Curtis Mayfield" I don't know if I've heard many live version of the Superfly OST album cuts, this version is off-the-charts great!
	11:32am JReganK: Julian Assange is being "slowly" executed. "Death By A Thousand Cuts".
	11:33am Yes: Morning friends. Happy to be here for the rest of the ride
	11:34am Spikey BXL: ↳ HyperDose @11:31 50th Anniversary edition on 180gr with AAA lacquers cut from tape by Ryan Smith at Sterling Sound
	11:34am JReganK: ↳ Frank L @11:25 The present regime's solution will be suicide stations.
	11:34am Ike: ↳ lm @11:27 Multiple things can be bad at the same time. I do not understand why this is such a difficult concept for some.
	11:35am fevert0nes: voting is useless
	11:35am StringOFperils: Hopelessness is your defeat.
	11:35am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ JReganK @11:32 not to be an equivalent-ist but many executions historically on the left, of course
	11:36am JReganK: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:35 True! Look at the Jacobins.
	11:38am Fredericks: ↳ Song: "accra" King Tubby?
	11:38am JReganK: ↳ fevert0nes @11:35 Definitely! At the federal level. The "Penta-gram" will be fed.
	11:39am JReganK: ↳ Song: "she's a woman" by "betty davis" Betty kicks serious caboose!
	11:39am dreamyandseedy: ↳ Song: "she's a woman" by "betty davis" do we deserve 2 doses of betty?!
	11:40am Frank L: After Automation Completely Replaces Human Labor. {and that's sooner than later} The only viable careers are for Plumbers and, maybe Electricians. Send your kids to Trade School !
	11:40am Trouble: @dreamyandseedy: i do believe we do!
	11:40am JReganK: ↳ dreamyandseedy @11:39 Where's your sense of "warped" entitlement?
	11:40am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ dreamyandseedy @11:39 we are not worthy...ha!
	11:41am disco_nap_: Betty: They Say I'm Different is a beautiful, poetic doc that I recommend everybody check out!
	11:41am dreamyandseedy: ↳ Trouble @11:40 well thank you!
	11:41am dreamyandseedy: ↳ JReganK @11:40 i know I deserve it. i dunno about the rest of you ;)
	11:41am JReganK: ↳ Frank L @11:40 Won't the robots replace those jobs, too?
	11:41am HyperDose: ↳ Spikey BXL @11:34 Nice! That's a top mastering studio 😍
	11:43am Spikey BXL: ↳ HyperDose @11:41 Yeah, I have not been disappointed by the club yet. Always have swap options too.
	11:43am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "she's a woman" by "betty davis" a softer betty
	11:44am Zip7: As dire as the contemporary scenario is, the situation is far from hopeless. We see disaster everywhere; we also see generosity and resistance everywhere. I recently read a fine book by Saskia Sassen titled "Exclusions: Brutality and Complexity in the Global Economy." She concluded: "The spaces of the expelled cry out for conceptual recognition. They are many, they are growing, and they are diversifying . . . They are, potentially, the new spaces for making – making local economies, new histories, and new modes of membership." This is where we have to look – to the spaces of the expelled, to those who are excluded and marginalized as their ranks continue to grow. This is where the new spaces for creation will be.
	11:45am McGroovey: ↳ lm @11:23 I guess that's why the secret police just kicked your door in!
	11:46am JReganK: ↳ Song: "she's a woman" by "betty davis" A more introspective Betty
	11:46am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Zip7 @11:44 agree and nice to hear maybe a blessing these stories are largely ignored by media's gaze
	11:47am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ JReganK @11:46 yeah, that's better
	11:47am Philip: this a soulful thursday! i love it!
	11:48am disco_nap_: ↳ McGroovey @11:45 😂
	11:48am Yes: <33
	11:49am JReganK: ↳ dreamyandseedy @11:41 ;)
	11:49am HyperDose: ↳ Spikey BXL @11:43 Better deal than Colombia House!
	11:50am tom tom the pipers son: @trouble: your selections have been exceptionally on point today, thx for the show
	11:51am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "this is me" by "flora purim" for a sec thought this was free design
	11:51am Trouble: thank you@ tomtom, philip!
	11:52am Purvis: https://archive.org/details/gd1968-01-17.sbd.cotsman.11795.shnf
	11:52am love2laf: Thank you Trouble, a clicky star of a show today. Thanks for the discourse Troubled friends, it's always good to know there are good people, truly good, here, and there is hope in that.
	11:52am TDK60: ↳ Song: "this is me" by "flora purim" Love the Flora. Merci for fine show, DJ T.
	11:52am JReganK: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:51 Free Design with a Latin beat
	11:53am northguineahills: Trouble you make work go by so smoothly! (now that I have work that can go smoothly)
	11:53am Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Trouble. Brightened a gray and cloudy morning.
	11:53am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ JReganK @11:52 they did fool around w/ motown...
	11:54am JReganK: ↳ northguineahills @11:53 Is NYC living up to your expectations?
	11:55am StringOFperils: Thank you for the music, Trouble! And thank you for discussing trouble, music-lovers!
	11:55am HyperDose: Good stuff Trouble. Great minds exchanging ideas. Onward!
	11:56am βrian: Continental Subway is about to depart: wfmu.org...
	11:56am 2/3 of the Perrin Family: thanks for the comradery
	11:56am disco_nap_: ↳ northguineahills @11:53 Oh right! You're a Ridgewoodian now, right?
	11:57am Adrian in London: Thanks Trouble. An afternoon of soul and anticapitalism, a lovely combination.
	11:57am WoodsOfMaine: Stay tuned for Pseu talking about her new dog....or did I hallucinate last night?
	11:57am JReganK: Thnx, Trouble!
	11:57am dreamyandseedy: thanks Trouble!
	11:57am Crownless Gander: Excellent episode! Thanks, Trouble!
	11:58am TDK60: ↳ Adrian in London @11:57 Long time no see, Adrian-amidst-Thames.
	11:58am disco_nap_: The end of The Modern World = meeting time for me 😭 Thanks for the immaculate vibes, Trouble and all!
	11:58am JReganK: ↳ Song: "raindrops, teardrops" by "karin krog" Nice production
	11:58am Listener Bryan (the Professor): Thanks, DJ Trouble & Modern Lovers Debating Society. Hang in there til next week.
	11:58am listener 126464: Thank you, Trouble. Enjoyed the show.
	11:59am northguineahills: ↳ disco_nap_ @11:56 i'm couch surfing right now (but working in manhattan)
	11:59am Nick S.: Nice set, Trouble! Thanks!
	11:59am northguineahills: ↳ JReganK @11:54 mos def!
	11:59am estebangrande: thanks Trouble

This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from January 11, 2024

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