WFMU: This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from September 26, 2024

Listener comments!
	9:00am Handy Haversack: Gray Thursday greetings, Trouble and all the Troubled.
	9:01am Woo: Good morning
	9:01am No Big Thing in Chicago: Good morning Trouble and fellow listeners with troubles.
	9:01am common: hello, trouble. hello everyone.
	9:02am unpopularfred: greetings modern world!
	9:02am strangegait: morning
	9:03am Trouble: good morning thursday peoples!
	9:03am Chris in Kensington Bklyn: Greetings to DJ Trouble and all.
	9:03am Mup Mahoy: Hiiiii!
	9:04am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Song: "distant saxophones" by "jan steele" nice
	9:04am augustejuillet: ↳ Song: "distant saxophones" by "jan steele" Love this tune. The whole record is fantastic.
	9:05am Handy Haversack: That NPR station is stepping all over the 91.1 signal on ONE of our radios but not the other ...
	9:05am Charles in Chicago: for a minute i thought francis bacon's face was obscured by a cat sitting on his shoulder. but it's just art.
	9:06am StringOFperils: He was probably pretty drunk when he painted it
	9:06am Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Good morning Trouble and troubled humans.
	9:06am JG: ↳ Handy Haversack @9:05 That happens in my car, but the FMU signal at home on the Sansui is strong like bull
	9:07am Dances with Moomins: Just in from a run to the art supply store in Helsinki, and found the HellRaiser flyer in my mailbox! Cheers to the Troubled Modernists.
	9:09am chresti: Morning Trouble and Troubled!
	9:10am tom tom the pipers son: good morning trouble... funny, i wouldn't have pegged you for a bacon fan....nice furniture in painting....he started ouit as a furniture designer...hellos all
	9:10am listener james from westwood: Morning, Trouble and all!
	9:11am Zip7: Good morning Troubled modernists! Since I have some down time, I'm listening to every record I have. A much greater appreciation of Teo Macero's editing when going through those sprawling Miles box sets. And what a delight to rediscover overlooked wonders! Nathan Davis's "Jazz Concert in a Monastery" is just fantastic
	9:11am Tea for Suze: No way, I was just thinking about this song!
	9:11am Charles in Chicago: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:10 Everybody loves bacon, right? (Except Muslims, Jews and vegeterians...)
	9:13am Mark91: Interesting musical content. I certainly appreciate it, but the timing of this (right on the heels of Wake and Bake) is a tad bit jarring. Lovely content for the wee-hours of the morning. IMHO there is a time and a place for EVERY musical type/style on WFMU-- this is definitely the place, but I'm not sure this is the time for it.
	9:13am listener james from westwood: Hell yes for Ciani!
	9:13am Michael C St Lou: Hello! and agreed, it is nearly impossible to go wrong w bacon
	9:14am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Charles in Chicago @9:11 ha! exactly what i meant...thought trouble vegetarian
	9:14am StringOFperils: ↳ Charles in Chicago @9:11 Not to mention, pigs.
	9:14am Trouble: have you seen this? suzanne ciani on dave letterman www.youtube.com...
	9:15am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Mark91 @9:13 i don't get that at all
	9:15am Charles in Chicago: ↳ StringOFperils @9:14 Have you seen the little piggies, clutching forks and knives?
	9:15am No Big Thing in Chicago: ↳ Trouble @9:14 !!!
	9:16am Spankyflop: ↳ Trouble @9:14 I loved the Letterman morning show!
	9:16am Trouble: @ mark 91; that's the joy of wfmu, each dj gets to do the show that they want to do.
	9:17am Zip7: In his book "20th Century Dreams," Guy Peellaert has a hilarious painting of Bacon painting a portrait of Margaret Thatcher
	9:18am Woo: ↳ Trouble @9:16 Wake then the Modern World works for me.
	9:19am tom tom the pipers son: funny... is thatcher screaming like the pope
	9:19am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Zip7 @9:17 ^^^^^^^^^
	9:19am Michael C St Lou: especially baked w some maple syrup, brown sugar, paprika and or cayenne
	9:20am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Trouble @9:14 Classic clip. Reminds me of the time Stevie Wonder appeared on Cosby (yeah I know) and explained sampling to Theo. "Jammin' on the 1" m.youtube.com...
	9:21am Mark91: ↳ Trouble @9:16 Agreed. Zzzz.... ;-)
	9:21am Trouble: @mark 91: perhaps this show isn't for you
	9:22am tgrace55: This song sounds like it’s out of a 90s video game or something, very chill and cool
	9:24am tom tom the pipers son: i have a recently published website that i'd like to share so take a look if you like... tommoore525.wixsite.com... be back in about half hour
	9:25am Charles in Chicago: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:24 nice work Tom!
	9:25am Toothgrinder Tom: It was actually raining earlier this morning - not really rain though but more of a fine mist.
	9:27am Lucky: This set is amazing!!!!
	9:29am Trouble: gracias@lucky!
	9:30am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Mark91 @9:21 the beauty of the archives is that you can listen to this show late at night if you prefer (although this timeslot suits me just fine!)
	9:31am Webhamster Henry: Hi there Trouble Listeners!
	9:32am the serpent: “Eric Adams: Just Another Pig”
	9:32am TDK60: Bonjour DJ T.
	9:32am Mike In DC: Umm don't forget George Santos has been convicted
	9:33am StringOFperils: ↳ Mike In DC @9:32 The only conviction that guy has ever known
	9:34am Mike In DC: And Rep D'Espositonis in trouble for putting mistress on congressional payroll. And fiancee's kid, too! New York is keeping up!
	9:35am Mike In DC: E'sposito is in trouble***
	9:36am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Mike In DC @9:35 does he like bacon?
	9:36am Mike In DC: D'Esposito, even. Dang typos.
	9:37am Mike In DC: ↳ Charles in Chicago @9:36 Probably so!
	9:39am G: mais do que valsa = More Than Waltz previsao do tempo = Weather Forecast (could also, less commonly, mean Time Forecast)
	9:39am Trouble: here is a schedule for shredding etc in Hudson County: Saturday, September 28th, Mobile Shredding, Jose Marti School (Field Parking Lot), Union City, West Hudson Park (Duck Pond Parking Lot), Kearny Sunday, October 6th, HHW/E-Waste Recycling/Tire Amnesty, Gregg Park (Lot #1), Bayonne, Municipal Complex (13-15 Linden Ave), Jersey City Saturday, October 12th, Mobile Shredding, DPW (1500 Jefferson Street), Hoboken, DPW (217 71st Street), Guttenberg Saturday, October 19th, HHW/E-Waste Recycling/Tire Amnesty, DPW (357 Bergen Ave), Kearny, DPW (1500 Jefferson Street), Hoboken Saturday, October 26th, Mobile Shredding, Lincoln Park (Duncan Ave Parking Lot), Jersey City Saturday, November 2nd, Mobile Shredding, DPW (6200 Dewey Ave), West New York, Red Bull Arena (North Parking Lot), Harrison
	9:40am Ken From Hyde Park: Good morning, Trouble and mayors in trouble with the feds.
	9:40am Toothgrinder Tom: Re nasnusa, perfect moment for this!
	9:40am Toothgrinder Tom: I have a lot of bag wealth.
	9:41am Lucky: ↳ Trouble @9:39 That's good information!!!
	9:42am Dan S: Indictment of our elected and appointed Government officials. Proof that there's more that unites NJ and NY than divides us. LOL
	9:43am StringOFperils: This sounds a lot like Can's 'Blessed Easter'
	9:44am Trouble: exactly@ dan s!
	9:44am strangegait: Tapping my toes a lot to this show! Thanks!
	9:44am Mike In DC: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @9:40 Uh oh why is Trouble in trouble with the Feds? FCC POLICE! FREEZE!
	9:45am d-_-b __Listener Jonny in MA: Hi TROUBLE!!!! I've been lurking!!! I always love our THursday mornings. Best to everyone.
	9:46am strangegait: ↳ Mike In DC @9:44 Hope the Jazz Police aren't out to get Trouble.
	9:49am Trouble: glad to hear about the toes @ strangegait
	9:49am Mike In DC: ↳ strangegait @9:46 I think they rebranded to "jazz isn't a label we would apply to our work" police
	9:50am Bones: The problem (as it were) with listening to Trouble's show is that every week my Discogs cart gets heavier and heavier
	9:51am Dave V: Maybe NJ will also get recognized for having better pizza and bagels than NY, lol.
	9:51am Handy Haversack: ↳ Mike In DC @9:49 They ignore consent decrees AND traditional song structure.
	9:54am strangegait: ↳ Handy Haversack @9:51 Not unlike the fusion junta.
	9:54am Dan S: Some have suggested that Eric Adams will now be well qualified to run for US president. Donald Trump scoffs at this, pointing out that he's already been convicted of a felony, so he's still way ahead of Adams in presidential credentials. OK, I'm done for the day. :-)
	9:56am strangegait: This bit is Tortoise-y
	9:57am TDK60: Here's your schedule for neighborhood food composting: Oops! Forgot. Adams took that away.
	9:58am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Charles in Chicago @9:25 thank you charles @ 9:25
	9:58am Zip7: My favorite NYC corruption scandal involved the Sheriff of New York County, Thomas Farley, who testified during the citywide investigation in the 1930s. Judge Seabury elicited this testimony: Seabury: Where did you keep these moneys you had saved? Farley: In a safe-deposit box at home in my house. Q: Whereabouts at home in the house did you keep this money that you had saved? A: In the safe. Q: In a little box in a safe? A: A big safe. Q: But a little box in a big safe? A: In a big box in a big safe. Q: Was the box crowded or very full? A: Well, it was full and plenty in it. Q: Now, Sheriff, was this big box that was safely kept in the big safe a tin box or a wooden box? A: A tin box. Q: Giving you the benefit of every doubt on sums from your official vocation, the $83,000 extra you deposited in 1929 came from the same source that the other money came from? A: It did. Same tin box. Q: Kind of a magic box? A: It was a wonderful box. Q: A wonderful box. What did you have to do - rub the lock with a little gold, and open it to find more money? A: I wish I could.
	10:00am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @9:57 I'll spend the weekend in the library researching alternate methods -- oh, wait. Adams got rid of weekend hours for libraries. I guess I'll just have to enjoy one of our clean, well-kept public restrooms instead.
	10:00am Micheal: ↳ Song: "the fairest of the seasons" by "nico" My 18 year old just discovered Nico, which is nice! Thanks, Trouble!
	10:00am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Zip7 @9:58 funny ....hopefully farley was convicted...
	10:02am TDK60: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:00 Morning, Handy. Fare evader? Careful, you could be shot.
	10:03am Juli P: Wow: high cheek bones 🙄
	10:05am traven: ↳ Zip7 @9:58 Thanks for sharing. It all reminds me of the song "Little Tin Box" from the Broadway play "Fiorello".
	10:05am Fredericks: Another moral panic.
	10:06am Michael C St Lou: only 1 type of book should be banned/burned IMO, and they'not in libraries or schools
	10:06am WoodsOfMaine: It’s just pathetic. And of course, most of the people involved in this have not read a single one of the books.
	10:08am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @10:02 Weird how we have plenty of money to keep the subway full of heavily armed police.
	10:09am TDK60: A local library here (NYC) does have a Banned Books Week table with some of the challenged books. A good thing.
	10:09am BillyLundun: Up with libraries!
	10:09am tom tom the pipers son: this book banning trend seems like an inverse of 'keeping up with the joneses" ..." keeping down with the joneses"
	10:09am WoodsOfMaine: Trouble, you’re teaching them how to think. What are you, a socialist?!! ;-)
	10:09am maurer: preach!
	10:10am Handy Haversack: A very depressing article in Hellgate today about how the NYPL is suppressing its own branch librarians from putting up displays featuring books about Palestine even as it congratulates itself on fighting censorship and banned books.
	10:10am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:09 right... how not what...
	10:11am Squinchy: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:10 I saw that. Cowardly.
	10:12am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:10 litera-cide
	10:14am Trouble: NO @ woods of maine. I am a marxist...
	10:15am Handy Haversack: ↳ Squinchy @10:11 And branch librarians are really keyed in to what their communities want. If they are putting up displays about Palestine it's because they have patrons who want more information. Because they are in the best sense of the words civil servants. So the library managers (NB: politicians, not librarians) are acting against their own mandate.
	10:15am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Trouble @10:14 Right! Sorry, I can’t keep my isms straight these days. So many to choose from!
	10:15am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Trouble @10:14 RIP frederic jameson
	10:16am TDK60: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:10 Oh no, HH. The plot thickens.
	10:17am Handy Haversack: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:15 Oh, damn. I hadn't heard!
	10:17am Mike In DC: Umm don't forget George Santos has been convicted
	10:18am Michael C St Lou: funny story, when the trend I re-sorted all that I owned to the most prominent display and it was around the holidays so told our grown children I wanted any banned books I didnt already have, my daughter said what bands?
	10:18am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:17 couple of days ago
	10:20am Trouble: Karl marx wrote in the 1800's so he's sort of OG @woods of maine
	10:21am traven: ↳ Trouble @10:14 No kidding! I' m a Marxist too - Groucho, Chico, Harpo, and Zeppo!
	10:21am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:17 his last book, an overview of french theorists, up for pre order a verso website
	10:22am Handy Haversack: ↳ Trouble @10:20 Trouble, did you read China Miéville's recent annotations of / essay on The Communist Manifesto? A really good exegesis of it and a restoration of its vitality.
	10:22am Handy Haversack: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:22 shop.wordbookstores.com...
	10:23am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Song: "a resurrection kink" by "theoxenia" Good gawd, I thought this was Jandek for a second there...
	10:24am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Trouble @10:20 i know your kidding, but one doesn't need to agree with marx on everything to be a marxist
	10:25am Trouble: no @handy i haven't. the original is so tremendously readable, he was a great writer.
	10:25am 2/3 of the Perrin Family: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:22 great read
	10:27am Mike W: Handleton can ya re-fix that link you just posted? It didn’t take me there...
	10:27am Beast of Boonton: Roseate spoonbill bird spotted in Union Beach, NJ - www.app.com...
	10:28am Trouble: How do you know that i am kidding @tomtom? how do you know anything about me?
	10:30am robotashley: This song is blowing my mind, I love it
	10:30am Handy Haversack: ↳ Mike W @10:27 The Word Bookstore link? Working for me: shop.wordbookstores.com... Not sure how else to post it. Bookshop.org link? bookshop.org...
	10:30am Trouble: that is amazing@beast of boonton!!!
	10:31am strangegait: ↳ Beast of Boonton @10:27 That's amazing!
	10:31am strangegait: Oops. Sorry to parrot you, Trouble. It is amazing tho.
	10:32am Handy Haversack: ↳ strangegait @10:31 Parroting a spoonbill. That could lead to dancing.
	10:33am Toothgrinder Tom: @Zip7 9:58 that sounds eerily similar to the lyrics of a song from the hit musical ‘Fiorello’ called ‘Little Tin Box.’
	10:33am Trouble: no parroting understood @strangegait, that bird is simply amazing, that's all there is to it!
	10:34am strangegait: Do you think birds in wildly flamboyant colors know how fabulous they are? Or is it just their normal?
	10:35am Toothgrinder Tom: Bradbury’s ‘Fahrenheit 451’ - prescient much?
	10:37am Mike W: Thanks HH, my browzr doesn’t like the link but i’ll find it
	10:37am Col & Eddie in the app: New Cure song’s been out for 3 hours
	10:37am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:30 thanks for link...just bought book...site worked fine
	10:38am Handy Haversack: ↳ Mike W @10:37 A Spectre, Haunting: On the Communist Manifesto (Paperback) By China Miéville $21.95 ISBN-13: 9781642598919
	10:42am Crownless Gander: Marx on electoral politics: "Even when there is no prospect whatsoever of their being elected, the workers must put up their own candidates in order to preserve their independence, to count their forces, and to bring before the public their revolutionary attitude and party standpoint. In this connection they must not allow themselves to be seduced by such arguments of the democrats as, for example, that by so doing they are splitting the democratic party and making it possible for the reactionaries to win. The ultimate intention of all such phrases is to dupe the proletariat. The advance which the proletarian party is bound to make by such independent action is indefinitely more important than the disadvantage that might be incurred by the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body."
	10:43am Zip7: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @10:33 Yeah that song was based on this testimony. Account is from NY Times
	10:44am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Song: "gott afind a lover" by "Roy Ayers Ubiquity" weird mix on this, those vibes are so far forward.
	10:44am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Trouble @10:28 well i'm actually not sure what i DID mean by that...but what i was in my head was that marxism has changed since 1800's....
	10:45am Mike W: Weird that not only does my browsr dislike that link, but The Word’s own site gives zero search results for the book and Mieville. The Cosmos speaks to me strangely, as ever.
	10:45am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Trouble @10:20 Understanding Marx will straighten out your head, More than anything that you've ever read
	10:46am Handy Haversack: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:42 www.spusa2024.org
	10:46am tom tom the pipers son: the mieville book is not available through word bookshop... was just refunded
	10:47am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:42 Great quote, can you tell me the source?
	10:47am Crownless Gander: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:46 Right on. Lots of good alternative choices out there, actually.
	10:47am Trouble: @ tom tom: marxism is a lens to examine the machinations of society, no matter the time period.
	10:47am traven: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:42 It's always saddened me that third party candidates are excluded from the presidential debates.
	10:48am Malcolm: gooseberry jam?
	10:48am strangegait: Jazz flute--The Jazz Police will be placated.
	10:48am Crownless Gander: ↳ traven @10:47 It's a vicious cycle—they're excluded because people don't vote for them; people don't vote for them because they're excluded.
	10:49am Lucky: Even full on business schools study Marx. They may disagree with his valuations or solutions, but much of the economic theory tracks for them.
	10:49am Lucky: ↳ strangegait @10:48 AJCAB
	10:50am Handy Haversack: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:46 Weird, that's where I got it -- and they will order anything from their distributor. Is it backordered? That's not what it says in the search results. Mike's strange cosmos is spreading!
	10:50am Malcolm: ↳ Lucky @10:49 haha!
	10:50am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:50 the distributor is out of book
	10:51am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:48 And people don’t often vote for them because of the realities of the electoral college. Sadly.
	10:53am unpopularfred: ↳ Lucky @10:49 I think business schools study Marx but take his criticisms as instructions. "How should we grease the gears of industry?" "It says here to use the blood of workers." "Excellent! Let's do that."
	10:54am Crownless Gander: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:51 Yeah, it's rigged along a lot of axes. But the idea that folks are expected to vote for one of two people who both plan to continue doing literally the worst thing a leader of any state can possibly do is just infuriating, and I hope will cause people to do whatever else they can instead.
	10:54am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Trouble @10:47 i agree, wasn't saying otherwise
	10:54am Mike W: Typical, I’m a failure at everything except being a vector for bad galactic vibes
	10:55am Philip: dig the psych
	10:55am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): hullo hullo
	10:56am still b/p: ↳ Song: "Home Made Jam" by "Bobbi Humphrey" Was trying to check if that was Stevie's harmonica on Bobbi's track. She did play with him on, at least, his Another Star.
	10:56am Lucky: Pebbles!
	10:56am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:45 Another great book inspired by Marx - I read this back in college "Everything Solid Melts Into Air" www.versobooks.com...
	10:56am Lucky: ↳ unpopularfred @10:53 Yessss!
	10:57am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:54 Yeah, there are a few states making moves, like in Maine there’s ranked choice voting, which the republican screeched out. Given the “popularity” of gerrymandering, I don’t have a lot of hope for meaningful change in my lifetime.
	10:58am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:47 Ah I found the source of that quote - Marx, "Address to the Central Committee," p. 117.
	10:58am paddy in matawan: ↳ Song: "Giving You the Benefit (7" Version)" by "pebbles" This is great. There is so much obscure stuff from the 80s that I want!
	10:59am Crownless Gander: Ranked ballot unfortunately doesn't help that much, as long as it's still for a first-past-the-post system, from what I understand. Proportional representation is really needed to change things. Here in Canada, too, though we at least don't have the electoral college, thank god.
	10:59am Jason from Houston: ↳ Song: "Giving You the Benefit (7" Version)" by "pebbles" Soooooooo good.
	10:59am traven: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:48 True. The two major parties have rigged the system to their favor over the decades. I personally feel that they fear giving any third party candidates a national forum to put forth their ideas.
	10:59am Lucky: ↳ still b/p @10:56 It is Stevie...
	11:00am Toothgrinder Tom: What is the role of human agency in Marxism? If the system ends up collapsing and evolving through its own contradictions?
	11:00am Malcolm: ↳ Song: "Giving You the Benefit (7" Version)" by "pebbles" sounds like an intriguing comp. Their latin freestyle one was really fun
	11:00am still b/p: ↳ Lucky @10:59 Yes, just saw Discogs credit showing it was. Thanks.
	11:00am Handy Haversack: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:59 You can have ours. Seriously, go ahead. It's all yours.
	11:01am Crownless Gander: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @11:00 It's a social science, so it doesn't deny individual agency, just is interested in how that plays out on higher levels.
	11:02am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): enjoying catching up on the chat here today. always so many books to check out
	11:03am Charles in Chicago: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:57 Nebraska just rejected a push to eliminate their proportional allotment of electoral votes (which would have benefitted Trump). And it was a Republican who stood up for it. Way to go Mike McDonnell www.cbsnews.com...
	11:03am Handy Haversack: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:00 You can have Missouri, too. We do NOT need it.
	11:03am Mxter Baba: Rest In Power Marcellus Williams 🙏🏿
	11:03am WoodsOfMaine: Rules?!! Like: Thou shalt not kill? Yeah. Right.
	11:04am Peter v: Love this info Trouble!!
	11:04am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:03 Kind of shocking.
	11:04am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ Mxter Baba @11:03 amen RIP Marcellus Khaliifah Williams.
	11:04am Neanderthal Head: just signed on to say, you're making good trouble, trouble.
	11:04am Michael C St Lou: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:03 thanks a lot. I did grow up and educated in Illinois if that helps at all
	11:04am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:03 Ever been to Kansas City, Handy?
	11:05am Franco Twinkie: We're living in dark times, indeed.
	11:06am Noir Lover: I am not shocked most Americans don't vote. Many people are only focused on what's in front of them and don't feel like voting matters to them.
	11:06am tom tom the pipers son: the "recognition" of personhood of a fetus strangely echoes the "recognition" of corporations as "persons"
	11:06am Neanderthal Head: voting is important, but, as adolph reed, jr says, its a way of consolidating what we win on the ground by organizing.
	11:06am βrian: We hit 45% here in Madison for a summer primary. PRIMARY!
	11:07am Edison Mausoleum: Oklahoma had a woman governor recently, but she wasn't exactly a champion of women's rights
	11:07am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Hey Trouble, fellow Troublemakers. YES VOTE VOTE VOTE.
	11:07am You: The most corrupt cities are governed by Democrats.
	11:08am Handy Haversack: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:04 No, I haven't. I would like to see the Negro Leagues museum some day. Except after last time, K8 and I vowed never to go to Missouri again.
	11:08am Stanley: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:59 Crownless - same system over here, first past the post. I was always for proportional representation but at our recent general election the far right got 14% of the vote, which would translate as 90 seats instead the fuckers got 5. So now, I'm not so sure.
	11:08am Franco Twinkie: ↳ Neanderthal Head @11:06 I like to think that my vote cancels the vote of one shit for brains idiot.
	11:08am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:06 Yup, a blastula is more important than a female host body (which is all the Rethugs see women as -- that or Emotional Support Animals for manbabys). OTOH corporations are "people" that can never be jailed and can kill with impunity.
	11:08am Charles in Chicago: Women of the world, take over! www.youtube.com...
	11:09am Ken From Hyde Park: "Don't vote for criminals" might not be a bad campaign slogan to have.
	11:09am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:08 KC is really cool, and that museum is awesome.
	11:09am Bobby: Alright feels good in here
	11:10am Bobby: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:08 Worth the trip!
	11:10am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:08 exactly it 3moons....hi!
	11:10am Crownless Gander: ↳ Stanley @11:08 Yeah, well, that's a problem with democracy in general. But my feeling is that PR electoral systems are the most democratic, and generally encourage multiple parties with multiple viewpoints who all have to negotiate to come to decisions, because none ends up with a majority.
	11:10am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Also, I've started re-reading the excellent series Transmetropolitan by Warren Ellis. Yes, Ellis turned out to be yet another perv who manipulated and fucked scores of his female fans all while claiming that his life-partner and mother of his child was "unstable, but didn't want to leave her." Still, give the man his fucking royalties this time and READ THIS. Its core theme is....a Presidential election and how fucked up the whole process is. Really. en.wikipedia.org...
	11:11am TDK60: It Can't Happen Here.
	11:12am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ TDK60 @11:11 I bought a copy of that during the orange goon years but had to put it on the shelf. Too much.
	11:13am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Crownless Gander @11:10 does that make it a parliementary gov't?
	11:13am traven: ↳ Noir Lover @11:06 And usually those people who don't vote are the ones who complain the loudest about the policies of the government.
	11:13am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @11:11 Now THAT is a book worth reading! bookshop.org...
	11:13am TDK60: ↳ TDK60 @11:11 That was meant to convey: it can. Hi Woods. I read it around then, too.
	11:14am Mike Sin: The fact that the turnout for 2020 was that low, the fact that any woman in her right mind in 2024 would pull the lever for Trump, and the fact a fair percentage of the population supports pardons for the terrorists that attacked the Capitol building on 1/6/21 tells me that although US was once the country with the most potential to be greatest in the world... we ended up being the f-ed up, untamed mongrels that most countries predicated we be in 1783.
	11:14am Crownless Gander: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:13 I don't think necessarily. Any kind of democratic government with multiple representatives.
	11:14am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ Crownless Gander @11:10 Yup. The Electoral College is an embarassing holdover from the Civil War Era and gives Joe Slackjaw Cousinfucker effectively 5x the voting power of people in those "elite urban enclaves" otherwise known as "actually, where most of the US population actually lives these days." And the Rethugs will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way because without the electoral college, you would never see another Yalliban Rethug President ever again. Yeah, Uncle/Cousin Cletus can still vote for his Dad/Brother for local dog catcher, local corrupt judge, etc, and send his cousin/son to the House/Senate, but the White House? Nope.
	11:14am d-_-b __Listener Jonny in MA: ↳ Song: "all we need" by "patrice rushen" Thanks for this Trouble!!! Great track!
	11:14am You: I’m voting for Harris because Trump might overrule Row v Wade again
	11:15am Stanley: ↳ Crownless Gander @11:10 We'll be watching how Germany fares over the next few yesr.
	11:15am TDK60: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:13 Thanks, Handy. It should be at your local library, right?
	11:15am d-_-b __Listener Jonny in MA: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:14 I love you a little bit right now.
	11:15am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Mike Sin @11:14 A friend of mine often says that the “idea of the United States is circling the drain.” Can’t say that I disagree.
	11:15am Crownless Gander: ↳ You @11:14 Ha ha!
	11:15am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @11:15 Should be!
	11:16am TDK60: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:15 In Missouri?
	11:16am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ You @11:07 Unless you're talking about minor stuff like voter suppression, gutting school budgets, constant pushing the lines between Church and State, and other very corrupt blatant civil rights law-breaking. In that case, the Rethug States and their little hamlets of scared, stupid, heavily armed minions take the gold every time.
	11:16am HyperDose: ↳ d-_-b __Listener Jonny in MA @11:15 🔥 loosens tie it's heating up in here! ♨️
	11:16am Franco Twinkie: ↳ traven @11:13 Exactly. Just like the people who complain about immigrant have never been out of the United State Provincial dumbfucks.
	11:16am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Crownless Gander @11:14 right, was just thinking that because it sounds like a coalition gov't
	11:17am Crownless Gander: Dang, gotta step back out. Thanks for the engaging convo, folks, and for the great music, Trouble!
	11:17am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @11:16 Somewhat dicier.
	11:17am Mxter Baba: ↳ Neanderthal Head @11:04 yeah!! I appreciate Trouble’s trouble!
	11:17am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:14 “Slackjaw cousinfucker”…gotta write that down.
	11:18am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @11:17 Take it and run with it! Vaya con Dios! :)
	11:18am Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Franco Twinkie @11:16 And undoubtedly have immigrants tenting their yards and properties.
	11:18am Mxter Baba: oh, and hello folx! just tuning in here upon an autumnal west coast morning
	11:19am Franco Twinkie: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @11:18 Or scrubbing the toilet at Chick Fillet.
	11:19am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ WoodsOfMaine @11:15 i've heard that too. and empires have a 250 year cycle... tick tock...
	11:19am iiibeat: Kinda like how VP Harris supports abortion rights AND the Neo-Con death war machine. Wait . . That is actually consistent. Nevermind! lol
	11:19am TDK60: ↳ Mxter Baba @11:18 Oh hello, Mx B. How did I miss?
	11:20am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ d-_-b __Listener Jonny in MA @11:15 Why thank you! Needed to hear that today. :)
	11:20am Franco Twinkie: ↳ Mxter Baba @11:18 Howdy Babba!
	11:20am (Murakami Whywolf))): ↳ Mike Sin @11:14 You forgot '…and proud of it.'. That's one thing that bugs me: we've always had barbarians in our midst—they were useful in conquering this country from the peoples whose ancestors conquered it before—but they used to know that they needed civilusation, too, and occasionally be embarrassed about our own barbarism. Now they claim that it's all that 'being American' means.
	11:21am chris in the redwoods: ↳ Song: "ain't nobody straight in L.A." by "the miracles" this is amazing! :)
	11:21am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:18 can i offer mothercousinfucker?
	11:21am Michael C St Lou: ↳ Mxter Baba @11:18 hi, just in time, its been fun
	11:21am Noir Lover: ↳ Song: "ain't nobody straight in L.A." by "the miracles" This is wild!
	11:21am Bobby: Any of you local people coming to Monty tonight? Come to Monty tonight. We’ll say hi. We’ll have a moment
	11:22am You: We need a gay president because sexual pleasures beyond human comprehension are a national priority.
	11:22am chresti: Mxter Babakins!
	11:23am chresti: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:20 Threemoons for president!
	11:23am Michael C St Lou: ↳ Bobby @11:21 not local, but been wondering about the neighborhood, how is it for walking at night and sleeping ina car? asking for friend of course
	11:25am unpopularfred: ↳ You @11:22 your sexual comprehension speaks for all humans, does it?
	11:25am Toothgrinder Tom: @Crownless Gander 11:01 let me put it this way: correct me if I’m wrong but if social change arises out of the dialectic of the economic system, then why does one have to do anything at all? Isn’t the outcome already assured (a revolution ushering in a utopian society)?
	11:25am jeanjae: Thank you for encouraging listeners to vote, and thanks for talking about the threats to women's health care. Rock on, sister.
	11:26am HyperDose: Kayleigh Amstutz 2024 🎫🗳️ We're gonna paint the white house pink! ❤️🐴🇺🇸
	11:26am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: America's main problem is that they WERE the world's Golden Child for a hot second. And after WWII, we aalllllllllllllmost got nationalized healthcare and we were the only superpower. Dialing it back to the beginning, we also kickstarted the idea of a government based on a Constitution. Then, eventually, European countries took the idea back and made their own and BETTER configuration of Parliamentary governments, which pretty much forces compromise and coalitions. It's not a winner-take-all system.
	11:28am Bobby: ↳ Michael C St Lou @11:23 I think the neighborhood is not a problem for walking. Not sure about the sleeping in car part. If anyone on right now lives in JC, maybe they could speak to that part
	11:28am Handy Haversack: ↳ Bobby @11:21 Wish I could! I'll make it to one of these, I swear.
	11:29am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @11:25 there is very little dialectic in our economy and i don't think marxists are looking for utopia
	11:30am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: So America stagnated politically while Europe caught up socially. Of course, both the US and much of Western Europe both had ugly pasts that are coming home to bit us all in the ass. The US STILL never really dealt with its bloody foundation of slavery and mass genocide against the indigenous populations, as well as pretty much treating EVERY wave of immigrants like shit in some kind of pecking order to this very day. And Europe...well....colonialism and two very bloody World Wars means that they have a labor problem....as well as the fact that they willingly traded 6 million plus Jews who had been there for hundereds of years and integrated, productive members of society for 10 million mostly male economic refugees who absolutely hate what we would consider Western values.
	11:30am Bobby: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:28 I know you haven’t been to one because I put my hands in my pockets, sigh, and look out the window for you
	11:31am Michael C St Lou: ↳ Bobby @11:28 perfect. TY so much. jk about sleeping in car part tho, sorta
	11:31am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ Bobby @11:28 I can't go tonight but I would never sleep in a car unless I really had to.
	11:31am Mxter Baba: all the kins!
	11:32am HyperDose: ↳ Mxter Baba @11:31 The hive's a-buzzin today! 🍯🐝🐝
	11:32am Handy Haversack: ↳ Bobby @11:30 I feel it every time.
	11:32am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:30 by the 10 million, are you referring to recent immigration
	11:33am northguineahills: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:31 I've done it plenty of times, but usually at a resr area or large parking lot, never on an urban street.
	11:33am Ken From Hyde Park: The last time I slept in my car was when I came to Trouble's bird watching event in the Meadowlands. Pulled up in a bank parking lot in northern NJ to nap for a couple hours.
	11:34am Bobby: Ok new plan everyone drive to the Monty thing and then we’ll pick a rest stop and sleep separately in our cars
	11:35am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: I mean, to our credit, for a hot second (again after WW2) we really did kickstart a lot of the pharmaceutical and technological advancement. Then Reganomics happened and the slow, slow, carefully plotted crawl to pack every court everywhere and lay legal landmines for anything that may remotely give people a sliver of a better quality of life started. It was an intentional slow-burn revenge plan to punish the citizenry for the Civil Rights Movement, and certain very angry old White dudes who wanted their spawn to continue to float on a wave of mediocrity forever.
	11:35am Handy Haversack: ↳ Bobby @11:34 See, if the station hadn't sold that parking lot, there'd be a whole nother world of listener meet-ups just waiting to be explored!
	11:35am Michael C St Lou: ❤Im there
	11:36am Bobby: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:35 TRUE
	11:36am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ Bobby @11:34 that sounds cute
	11:37am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: And they did that by convincing Uncle Cletus Cousinfucker that anyone remotely smarter or more successful than them was trying to force them to read a book or something, and to cast blame on anyone that looked different than them -- all while American manufacturing was pretty much eviscerated and the destruction of the middle class went on unabated because of outrage politics.
	11:38am Toothgrinder Tom: @tom tom I thought that was the whole appeal?
	11:38am northguineahills: ↳ Bobby @11:34 when i played the x-fest in brattleboro, most of the out of the region slept in their cars in the parking lot of the venue.
	11:38am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: And back to Transmetropolitan -- even though it takes place in the future, it could be now -- one standout line is that "America doesn't manufacture shit anymore; the only thing we export is bad reality TV" or something along those lines. The shit and shenanigans covered in it are an almost perfect parallel of what's going on right now, here, today.
	11:39am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:37 there is a definition of the u.s. oince spouted by john kerry who said" everyone in the u.s. has a right to be stupid"
	11:40am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:39 Yup. And we got Regan because G-d looked down and said unto us "you fuckers don't DESERVE anyone as smart as Carter."
	11:41am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @11:38 yes... idk, but it's not what appeals to me about marxism
	11:41am Jim Macnie: thx for the Russell, Ms. T.
	11:42am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: And back to the idea of the Federalist Society set and packing the courts...the first major play of course was Bush vs. Gore, and once Gore conceded, that's when I knew we were fucked. The Dems are slowly, slowly, SLOWLY starting to realize that you don't bring a fucking teacup poodle and a spoon to a pit bull fight where all of the other participants have rocket launchers.
	11:42am Ĩkė: I’m stuck in a horribly-organized, massive Bklyn Dem Party meeting in a Marriott ballroom after waiting in a seemingly infinite line for an hour. It’s never clear if the corrupt leadership of this Tammany Hall relic intentionally organizes poorly to get reformers to give up and go home, or if they’re just incompetent. Maybe a little of both! Do we have the votes to topple Eric Adams’s pals this year? Who knows?
	11:43am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Song: "coming back ( from the distance between the space... This is such a great album!
	11:44am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:42 Now that I’m thoroughly depressed, I’m gonna go read my backlog of daily Zippy the Pinhead comics...
	11:44am Chris in Kensington Bklyn: ↳ Song: "ain't nobody straight in L.A." by "the miracles" I have this cut on vinyl! It's on their 1975 City of Angels album.
	11:46am Handy Haversack: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:35 Let's not forget that this postwar "prosperity"was only for white Americans and was predicated on retooling a war industrial base to massive production of cars and spreading that to Europe and beyond, massively accelerating the climate crisis and establishing the primacy of the automobile and the supposed "right" to automobility (that is, the growth at any and all cost of fossil fuel companies and manufacturers of cars and planes) -- all of which is the greatest existential threat to the species (with the possible exception of nuclear weapons). So that "advancement" was once again to benefit a tiny (white, wealthy, capitalist) minority at the expense of every other life on Earth. Prosperity? Advancement? I am not seeing it.
	11:46am Trouble: Helllo@jim macnie!!!
	11:48am Handy Haversack: ↳ Ĩkė @11:42 Always bring a book!
	11:48am carlton: THis sounds like John C Reilly is singing
	11:48am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @11:44 Somewhere in Idaho a stripper is carrying a tuna casserole around the block! Are we having fun yet?
	11:49am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:46 Yup, that too.
	11:49am TDK60: ↳ Song: "coming back ( from the distance between the space... Lonnie Holley sometimes gives me a healing feeling.
	11:49am Ken From Hyde Park: Good news: free test kits are available again: special.usps.com... Bad news: the virus persists and you may need a test kit.
	11:49am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:46 the big picture put succinctly...
	11:50am Ochre Ogre: Thanks Trouble!
	11:51am Trouble: Not exactly @ handy: many african americans held factory jobs in that post war boom and were able to provide for their families. when factories started closing in the 60's and 70's that created huge job losses
	11:51am Toothgrinder Tom: @WoodsOfMaine 11:44 I’ve been doing that with ‘Nancy’ lately.
	11:51am chresti: Handy for Presidant!
	11:52am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Trouble @11:51 in the north...
	11:52am TDK60: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @11:49 Thanks, Ken. I just ordered more.
	11:53am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:48 Ha!
	11:54am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @11:51 I sometimes do this thing where I sign up for a newsletter and then let ‘em get backed up. Not sure why. Existential angst or something.
	11:54am Handy Haversack: ↳ Trouble @11:51 True, Trouble, of course. But the wealth extraction of the bosses vs. the meager wealth accumulation of the workers (not to mention redlining and all else) ensured that extraction worked in one direction only. ALL THAT SAID, thanks for another wonderful show! It went far too quickly!
	11:54am northguineahills: happy thanks. trouble!
	11:54am WoodsOfMaine: Great music and great yakkin’ today, as always. Now, time to read a banned book.
	11:55am northguineahills: ↳ Trouble @11:51 detroit is a prime example....
	11:55am TDK60: Merci, Trouble.
	11:55am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: So yeah, now, we've spread pollution all around the world -- privatized profit and socialized the damage. And any solutions are no longer in America's hands; we fumbled the ball. While we have half the country insisting that a blastula can vote and carry a gun, China is cozying up to India and China is going ahead of us as far as medicine and tech -- the only two fucking things that the US had an edge in back after the wars. AND WE DID IT TO OURSELVES. WE outsourced all of our shit to them and they took it all and copied it. Do you think the Chinese government is going to NOT use fetal tissue for drug development? They have an iron-fisted top down system of government and a high social cohesion, which means they can get shit done a lot faster than us. Its neighbor, India, OTOH is still a shattered nation in many ways post-colonialism BUT it has a huge population and like China, a huge global diaspora of well-to-dos.
	11:55am northguineahills: ↳ Song: "a ray of light" by "Susumu Yokota" lurve susumu yokota....
	11:56am Michael C St Lou: ❤❤❤ TY everybody!🥰
	11:57am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Just uploaded a panel from Transmetropolitan in my profile that describes voting in the US perfectly. Have a look!
	11:57am common: ↳ Song: "The Girl From Ipanema" by "Astrud Gilberto" always makes me weepy.
	11:57am love2laf: Thank you trouble, the music selections, the mic breaks (esp urging all to vote), made for a thoroughly modern Thursday. Cheers everyone.
	11:57am tom tom the pipers son: thanks trouble and everyone on the chat
	11:57am northguineahills: ↳ common @11:57 me too!
	11:57am Noir Lover: Great show!
	11:58am common: ↳ northguineahills @11:57 beautiful
	11:58am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Thanks all! Thanks for the great show Trouble, and thanks all for coming to my TED talk.
	11:58am Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Trouble. Let us go forth and vote for good things, be it ballots or pocketbooks.
	11:58am Dances with Moomins: Thanks Trouble !
	11:58am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:58 ha!
	11:59am Douglas R: The girl is my ringtone, and when someone calls, I let it go on so others can hear it to and their heads start bopping.
	11:59am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): thanks trouble <3
	7:20pm Siriusly: Thanks for playing the Jan Steele - my first introduction to WFMU was a friend sharing this album with me that he had found on FMU ages ago. I had played the album while he was visiting, and I guess he searched and found in the archives.

This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from September 26, 2024

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September 26, 2024: feeling like a surrealist poet

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	New	Approx. start time
jan steele	distant saxophones "distant saxophones" by "jan steele"	Jan Steele/John Cage: Voices and Instruments	antilles/obscure		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
suzanne ciani	lay down beside me "lay down beside me" by "suzanne ciani"	the velocity of love			0:09:53 (Pop-up)
dave clarkson	prelude to the subconscious	dreamadelica ( music for dream machine)			0:17:55 (Pop-up)
marika hackman	the ground "the ground" by "marika hackman"	big sigh			0:21:10 (Pop-up)
El Perro del Mar	The Truth and the Dead Know	big anonymous	city slang	*	0:25:10 (Pop-up)
future pilot A.K.A	A-N-U-R-U-D-H "A-N-U-R-U-D-H" by "future pilot A.K.A"	secrets from the clockhouse			0:27:01 (Pop-up)

marcos valle	mais do que valsa "mais do que valsa" by "marcos valle"	previsao do tempo			0:35:25 (Pop-up)
Sababa 5 &. Yurkika	nasnusa "nasnusa" by "Sababa 5 &. Yurkika"	Kokoro	batov	*	0:37:41 (Pop-up)
kairu	going through "going through" by "kairu"	rain/water	brut direst disques	*	0:42:57 (Pop-up)
smokey & miho	Consolacao "Consolacao" by "smokey & miho"	Tempo de Amor: Songs by Baden Powell			0:45:31 (Pop-up)
asher white	runes "runes" by "asher white"	home constellation study	feeding tube/ ba da bing	*	0:49:46 (Pop-up)
jason stein	anchor "anchor" by "jason stein"	anchors	TAO Forms	*	0:54:21 (Pop-up)
nico	the fairest of the seasons "the fairest of the seasons" by "nico"	Chelsea Girl			0:57:26 (Pop-up)

the green child	dreamcom "dreamcom" by "the green child"	shimmering basset			1:08:33 (Pop-up)
nala sinephro	continumm 3 "continumm 3" by "nala sinephro"	Endlessness	warp	*	1:11:43 (Pop-up)
Mahti	pala 6 "pala 6" by "Mahti"	Konsertti 1	VHF	*	1:15:44 (Pop-up)
theoxenia	a resurrection kink "a resurrection kink" by "theoxenia"	(adventures in) stasis	soft abuse	*	1:20:15 (Pop-up)
burnt sugar the arkestra chamber	repatriation-of-the-midnight-moors (oakanda rmx 2)	angles over oakanda			1:26:12 (Pop-up)
Roy Ayers Ubiquity	gott afind a lover	lifeline			1:37:59 (Pop-up)
Bobbi Humphrey	Home Made Jam "Home Made Jam" by "Bobbi Humphrey"	Freestyle			1:45:01 (Pop-up)
ofege	Whizzy Ilabo "Whizzy Ilabo" by "ofege"	try and love			1:49:40 (Pop-up)
pebbles	Giving You the Benefit (7" Version)	new jill swing 1988-94	ace	*	1:53:43 (Pop-up)

lafayette rock band	baba hya "baba hya" by "lafayette rock band"	malik	Strut		2:07:27 (Pop-up)
patrice rushen	all we need "all we need" by "patrice rushen"	straight from the heart			2:12:58 (Pop-up)
the miracles	ain't nobody straight in L.A.	Jon Savage's the Secret Public: How The LGBTQ+ Aesthetic Shaped Pop Culure 1955-1979	ace		2:18:44 (Pop-up)
francine thirteen	tiamat "tiamat" by "francine thirteen"	psalm of tiamat	Fpe	*	2:22:50 (Pop-up)
Nubiyan Twist featuring nile rodgers	lights out	find your flame	strut	*	2:24:50 (Pop-up)
arthur russell	instrumental #4 "instrumental #4" by "arthur russell"	first thought best thought			2:28:31 (Pop-up)
the wild bunch feat sandra cross	country living				2:38:31 (Pop-up)

lonnie holley	coming back ( from the distance between the spaces and time)	MITH			2:42:00 (Pop-up)
Susumu Yokota	a ray of light "a ray of light" by "Susumu Yokota"	mother			2:48:41 (Pop-up)
Hareton Salvavanini	viver "viver" by "Hareton Salvavanini"	S.P. 73			2:52:02 (Pop-up)
Astrud Gilberto	The Girl From Ipanema	the essential astrud gilberto	verve		2:55:24 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:00am Handy Haversack: Gray Thursday greetings, Trouble and all the Troubled.
	9:01am Woo: Good morning
	9:01am No Big Thing in Chicago: Good morning Trouble and fellow listeners with troubles.
	9:01am common: hello, trouble. hello everyone.
	9:02am unpopularfred: greetings modern world!
	9:02am strangegait: morning
	9:03am Trouble: good morning thursday peoples!
	9:03am Chris in Kensington Bklyn: Greetings to DJ Trouble and all.
	9:03am Mup Mahoy: Hiiiii!
	9:04am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Song: "distant saxophones" by "jan steele" nice
	9:04am augustejuillet: ↳ Song: "distant saxophones" by "jan steele" Love this tune. The whole record is fantastic.
	9:05am Handy Haversack: That NPR station is stepping all over the 91.1 signal on ONE of our radios but not the other ...
	9:05am Charles in Chicago: for a minute i thought francis bacon's face was obscured by a cat sitting on his shoulder. but it's just art.
	9:06am StringOFperils: He was probably pretty drunk when he painted it
	9:06am Peter from Saranac Lake NY: Good morning Trouble and troubled humans.
	9:06am JG: ↳ Handy Haversack @9:05 That happens in my car, but the FMU signal at home on the Sansui is strong like bull
	9:07am Dances with Moomins: Just in from a run to the art supply store in Helsinki, and found the HellRaiser flyer in my mailbox! Cheers to the Troubled Modernists.
	9:09am chresti: Morning Trouble and Troubled!
	9:10am tom tom the pipers son: good morning trouble... funny, i wouldn't have pegged you for a bacon fan....nice furniture in painting....he started ouit as a furniture designer...hellos all
	9:10am listener james from westwood: Morning, Trouble and all!
	9:11am Zip7: Good morning Troubled modernists! Since I have some down time, I'm listening to every record I have. A much greater appreciation of Teo Macero's editing when going through those sprawling Miles box sets. And what a delight to rediscover overlooked wonders! Nathan Davis's "Jazz Concert in a Monastery" is just fantastic
	9:11am Tea for Suze: No way, I was just thinking about this song!
	9:11am Charles in Chicago: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:10 Everybody loves bacon, right? (Except Muslims, Jews and vegeterians...)
	9:13am Mark91: Interesting musical content. I certainly appreciate it, but the timing of this (right on the heels of Wake and Bake) is a tad bit jarring. Lovely content for the wee-hours of the morning. IMHO there is a time and a place for EVERY musical type/style on WFMU-- this is definitely the place, but I'm not sure this is the time for it.
	9:13am listener james from westwood: Hell yes for Ciani!
	9:13am Michael C St Lou: Hello! and agreed, it is nearly impossible to go wrong w bacon
	9:14am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Charles in Chicago @9:11 ha! exactly what i meant...thought trouble vegetarian
	9:14am StringOFperils: ↳ Charles in Chicago @9:11 Not to mention, pigs.
	9:14am Trouble: have you seen this? suzanne ciani on dave letterman www.youtube.com...
	9:15am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Mark91 @9:13 i don't get that at all
	9:15am Charles in Chicago: ↳ StringOFperils @9:14 Have you seen the little piggies, clutching forks and knives?
	9:15am No Big Thing in Chicago: ↳ Trouble @9:14 !!!
	9:16am Spankyflop: ↳ Trouble @9:14 I loved the Letterman morning show!
	9:16am Trouble: @ mark 91; that's the joy of wfmu, each dj gets to do the show that they want to do.
	9:17am Zip7: In his book "20th Century Dreams," Guy Peellaert has a hilarious painting of Bacon painting a portrait of Margaret Thatcher
	9:18am Woo: ↳ Trouble @9:16 Wake then the Modern World works for me.
	9:19am tom tom the pipers son: funny... is thatcher screaming like the pope
	9:19am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Zip7 @9:17 ^^^^^^^^^
	9:19am Michael C St Lou: especially baked w some maple syrup, brown sugar, paprika and or cayenne
	9:20am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Trouble @9:14 Classic clip. Reminds me of the time Stevie Wonder appeared on Cosby (yeah I know) and explained sampling to Theo. "Jammin' on the 1" m.youtube.com...
	9:21am Mark91: ↳ Trouble @9:16 Agreed. Zzzz.... ;-)
	9:21am Trouble: @mark 91: perhaps this show isn't for you
	9:22am tgrace55: This song sounds like it’s out of a 90s video game or something, very chill and cool
	9:24am tom tom the pipers son: i have a recently published website that i'd like to share so take a look if you like... tommoore525.wixsite.com... be back in about half hour
	9:25am Charles in Chicago: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:24 nice work Tom!
	9:25am Toothgrinder Tom: It was actually raining earlier this morning - not really rain though but more of a fine mist.
	9:27am Lucky: This set is amazing!!!!
	9:29am Trouble: gracias@lucky!
	9:30am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Mark91 @9:21 the beauty of the archives is that you can listen to this show late at night if you prefer (although this timeslot suits me just fine!)
	9:31am Webhamster Henry: Hi there Trouble Listeners!
	9:32am the serpent: “Eric Adams: Just Another Pig”
	9:32am TDK60: Bonjour DJ T.
	9:32am Mike In DC: Umm don't forget George Santos has been convicted
	9:33am StringOFperils: ↳ Mike In DC @9:32 The only conviction that guy has ever known
	9:34am Mike In DC: And Rep D'Espositonis in trouble for putting mistress on congressional payroll. And fiancee's kid, too! New York is keeping up!
	9:35am Mike In DC: E'sposito is in trouble***
	9:36am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Mike In DC @9:35 does he like bacon?
	9:36am Mike In DC: D'Esposito, even. Dang typos.
	9:37am Mike In DC: ↳ Charles in Chicago @9:36 Probably so!
	9:39am G: mais do que valsa = More Than Waltz previsao do tempo = Weather Forecast (could also, less commonly, mean Time Forecast)
	9:39am Trouble: here is a schedule for shredding etc in Hudson County: Saturday, September 28th, Mobile Shredding, Jose Marti School (Field Parking Lot), Union City, West Hudson Park (Duck Pond Parking Lot), Kearny Sunday, October 6th, HHW/E-Waste Recycling/Tire Amnesty, Gregg Park (Lot #1), Bayonne, Municipal Complex (13-15 Linden Ave), Jersey City Saturday, October 12th, Mobile Shredding, DPW (1500 Jefferson Street), Hoboken, DPW (217 71st Street), Guttenberg Saturday, October 19th, HHW/E-Waste Recycling/Tire Amnesty, DPW (357 Bergen Ave), Kearny, DPW (1500 Jefferson Street), Hoboken Saturday, October 26th, Mobile Shredding, Lincoln Park (Duncan Ave Parking Lot), Jersey City Saturday, November 2nd, Mobile Shredding, DPW (6200 Dewey Ave), West New York, Red Bull Arena (North Parking Lot), Harrison
	9:40am Ken From Hyde Park: Good morning, Trouble and mayors in trouble with the feds.
	9:40am Toothgrinder Tom: Re nasnusa, perfect moment for this!
	9:40am Toothgrinder Tom: I have a lot of bag wealth.
	9:41am Lucky: ↳ Trouble @9:39 That's good information!!!
	9:42am Dan S: Indictment of our elected and appointed Government officials. Proof that there's more that unites NJ and NY than divides us. LOL
	9:43am StringOFperils: This sounds a lot like Can's 'Blessed Easter'
	9:44am Trouble: exactly@ dan s!
	9:44am strangegait: Tapping my toes a lot to this show! Thanks!
	9:44am Mike In DC: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @9:40 Uh oh why is Trouble in trouble with the Feds? FCC POLICE! FREEZE!
	9:45am d-_-b __Listener Jonny in MA: Hi TROUBLE!!!! I've been lurking!!! I always love our THursday mornings. Best to everyone.
	9:46am strangegait: ↳ Mike In DC @9:44 Hope the Jazz Police aren't out to get Trouble.
	9:49am Trouble: glad to hear about the toes @ strangegait
	9:49am Mike In DC: ↳ strangegait @9:46 I think they rebranded to "jazz isn't a label we would apply to our work" police
	9:50am Bones: The problem (as it were) with listening to Trouble's show is that every week my Discogs cart gets heavier and heavier
	9:51am Dave V: Maybe NJ will also get recognized for having better pizza and bagels than NY, lol.
	9:51am Handy Haversack: ↳ Mike In DC @9:49 They ignore consent decrees AND traditional song structure.
	9:54am strangegait: ↳ Handy Haversack @9:51 Not unlike the fusion junta.
	9:54am Dan S: Some have suggested that Eric Adams will now be well qualified to run for US president. Donald Trump scoffs at this, pointing out that he's already been convicted of a felony, so he's still way ahead of Adams in presidential credentials. OK, I'm done for the day. :-)
	9:56am strangegait: This bit is Tortoise-y
	9:57am TDK60: Here's your schedule for neighborhood food composting: Oops! Forgot. Adams took that away.
	9:58am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Charles in Chicago @9:25 thank you charles @ 9:25
	9:58am Zip7: My favorite NYC corruption scandal involved the Sheriff of New York County, Thomas Farley, who testified during the citywide investigation in the 1930s. Judge Seabury elicited this testimony: Seabury: Where did you keep these moneys you had saved? Farley: In a safe-deposit box at home in my house. Q: Whereabouts at home in the house did you keep this money that you had saved? A: In the safe. Q: In a little box in a safe? A: A big safe. Q: But a little box in a big safe? A: In a big box in a big safe. Q: Was the box crowded or very full? A: Well, it was full and plenty in it. Q: Now, Sheriff, was this big box that was safely kept in the big safe a tin box or a wooden box? A: A tin box. Q: Giving you the benefit of every doubt on sums from your official vocation, the $83,000 extra you deposited in 1929 came from the same source that the other money came from? A: It did. Same tin box. Q: Kind of a magic box? A: It was a wonderful box. Q: A wonderful box. What did you have to do - rub the lock with a little gold, and open it to find more money? A: I wish I could.
	10:00am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @9:57 I'll spend the weekend in the library researching alternate methods -- oh, wait. Adams got rid of weekend hours for libraries. I guess I'll just have to enjoy one of our clean, well-kept public restrooms instead.
	10:00am Micheal: ↳ Song: "the fairest of the seasons" by "nico" My 18 year old just discovered Nico, which is nice! Thanks, Trouble!
	10:00am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Zip7 @9:58 funny ....hopefully farley was convicted...
	10:02am TDK60: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:00 Morning, Handy. Fare evader? Careful, you could be shot.
	10:03am Juli P: Wow: high cheek bones 🙄
	10:05am traven: ↳ Zip7 @9:58 Thanks for sharing. It all reminds me of the song "Little Tin Box" from the Broadway play "Fiorello".
	10:05am Fredericks: Another moral panic.
	10:06am Michael C St Lou: only 1 type of book should be banned/burned IMO, and they'not in libraries or schools
	10:06am WoodsOfMaine: It’s just pathetic. And of course, most of the people involved in this have not read a single one of the books.
	10:08am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @10:02 Weird how we have plenty of money to keep the subway full of heavily armed police.
	10:09am TDK60: A local library here (NYC) does have a Banned Books Week table with some of the challenged books. A good thing.
	10:09am BillyLundun: Up with libraries!
	10:09am tom tom the pipers son: this book banning trend seems like an inverse of 'keeping up with the joneses" ..." keeping down with the joneses"
	10:09am WoodsOfMaine: Trouble, you’re teaching them how to think. What are you, a socialist?!! ;-)
	10:09am maurer: preach!
	10:10am Handy Haversack: A very depressing article in Hellgate today about how the NYPL is suppressing its own branch librarians from putting up displays featuring books about Palestine even as it congratulates itself on fighting censorship and banned books.
	10:10am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:09 right... how not what...
	10:11am Squinchy: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:10 I saw that. Cowardly.
	10:12am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:10 litera-cide
	10:14am Trouble: NO @ woods of maine. I am a marxist...
	10:15am Handy Haversack: ↳ Squinchy @10:11 And branch librarians are really keyed in to what their communities want. If they are putting up displays about Palestine it's because they have patrons who want more information. Because they are in the best sense of the words civil servants. So the library managers (NB: politicians, not librarians) are acting against their own mandate.
	10:15am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Trouble @10:14 Right! Sorry, I can’t keep my isms straight these days. So many to choose from!
	10:15am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Trouble @10:14 RIP frederic jameson
	10:16am TDK60: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:10 Oh no, HH. The plot thickens.
	10:17am Handy Haversack: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:15 Oh, damn. I hadn't heard!
	10:17am Mike In DC: Umm don't forget George Santos has been convicted
	10:18am Michael C St Lou: funny story, when the trend I re-sorted all that I owned to the most prominent display and it was around the holidays so told our grown children I wanted any banned books I didnt already have, my daughter said what bands?
	10:18am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:17 couple of days ago
	10:20am Trouble: Karl marx wrote in the 1800's so he's sort of OG @woods of maine
	10:21am traven: ↳ Trouble @10:14 No kidding! I' m a Marxist too - Groucho, Chico, Harpo, and Zeppo!
	10:21am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:17 his last book, an overview of french theorists, up for pre order a verso website
	10:22am Handy Haversack: ↳ Trouble @10:20 Trouble, did you read China Miéville's recent annotations of / essay on The Communist Manifesto? A really good exegesis of it and a restoration of its vitality.
	10:22am Handy Haversack: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:22 shop.wordbookstores.com...
	10:23am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Song: "a resurrection kink" by "theoxenia" Good gawd, I thought this was Jandek for a second there...
	10:24am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Trouble @10:20 i know your kidding, but one doesn't need to agree with marx on everything to be a marxist
	10:25am Trouble: no @handy i haven't. the original is so tremendously readable, he was a great writer.
	10:25am 2/3 of the Perrin Family: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:22 great read
	10:27am Mike W: Handleton can ya re-fix that link you just posted? It didn’t take me there...
	10:27am Beast of Boonton: Roseate spoonbill bird spotted in Union Beach, NJ - www.app.com...
	10:28am Trouble: How do you know that i am kidding @tomtom? how do you know anything about me?
	10:30am robotashley: This song is blowing my mind, I love it
	10:30am Handy Haversack: ↳ Mike W @10:27 The Word Bookstore link? Working for me: shop.wordbookstores.com... Not sure how else to post it. Bookshop.org link? bookshop.org...
	10:30am Trouble: that is amazing@beast of boonton!!!
	10:31am strangegait: ↳ Beast of Boonton @10:27 That's amazing!
	10:31am strangegait: Oops. Sorry to parrot you, Trouble. It is amazing tho.
	10:32am Handy Haversack: ↳ strangegait @10:31 Parroting a spoonbill. That could lead to dancing.
	10:33am Toothgrinder Tom: @Zip7 9:58 that sounds eerily similar to the lyrics of a song from the hit musical ‘Fiorello’ called ‘Little Tin Box.’
	10:33am Trouble: no parroting understood @strangegait, that bird is simply amazing, that's all there is to it!
	10:34am strangegait: Do you think birds in wildly flamboyant colors know how fabulous they are? Or is it just their normal?
	10:35am Toothgrinder Tom: Bradbury’s ‘Fahrenheit 451’ - prescient much?
	10:37am Mike W: Thanks HH, my browzr doesn’t like the link but i’ll find it
	10:37am Col & Eddie in the app: New Cure song’s been out for 3 hours
	10:37am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:30 thanks for link...just bought book...site worked fine
	10:38am Handy Haversack: ↳ Mike W @10:37 A Spectre, Haunting: On the Communist Manifesto (Paperback) By China Miéville $21.95 ISBN-13: 9781642598919
	10:42am Crownless Gander: Marx on electoral politics: "Even when there is no prospect whatsoever of their being elected, the workers must put up their own candidates in order to preserve their independence, to count their forces, and to bring before the public their revolutionary attitude and party standpoint. In this connection they must not allow themselves to be seduced by such arguments of the democrats as, for example, that by so doing they are splitting the democratic party and making it possible for the reactionaries to win. The ultimate intention of all such phrases is to dupe the proletariat. The advance which the proletarian party is bound to make by such independent action is indefinitely more important than the disadvantage that might be incurred by the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body."
	10:43am Zip7: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @10:33 Yeah that song was based on this testimony. Account is from NY Times
	10:44am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Song: "gott afind a lover" by "Roy Ayers Ubiquity" weird mix on this, those vibes are so far forward.
	10:44am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Trouble @10:28 well i'm actually not sure what i DID mean by that...but what i was in my head was that marxism has changed since 1800's....
	10:45am Mike W: Weird that not only does my browsr dislike that link, but The Word’s own site gives zero search results for the book and Mieville. The Cosmos speaks to me strangely, as ever.
	10:45am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Trouble @10:20 Understanding Marx will straighten out your head, More than anything that you've ever read
	10:46am Handy Haversack: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:42 www.spusa2024.org
	10:46am tom tom the pipers son: the mieville book is not available through word bookshop... was just refunded
	10:47am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:42 Great quote, can you tell me the source?
	10:47am Crownless Gander: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:46 Right on. Lots of good alternative choices out there, actually.
	10:47am Trouble: @ tom tom: marxism is a lens to examine the machinations of society, no matter the time period.
	10:47am traven: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:42 It's always saddened me that third party candidates are excluded from the presidential debates.
	10:48am Malcolm: gooseberry jam?
	10:48am strangegait: Jazz flute--The Jazz Police will be placated.
	10:48am Crownless Gander: ↳ traven @10:47 It's a vicious cycle—they're excluded because people don't vote for them; people don't vote for them because they're excluded.
	10:49am Lucky: Even full on business schools study Marx. They may disagree with his valuations or solutions, but much of the economic theory tracks for them.
	10:49am Lucky: ↳ strangegait @10:48 AJCAB
	10:50am Handy Haversack: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:46 Weird, that's where I got it -- and they will order anything from their distributor. Is it backordered? That's not what it says in the search results. Mike's strange cosmos is spreading!
	10:50am Malcolm: ↳ Lucky @10:49 haha!
	10:50am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @10:50 the distributor is out of book
	10:51am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:48 And people don’t often vote for them because of the realities of the electoral college. Sadly.
	10:53am unpopularfred: ↳ Lucky @10:49 I think business schools study Marx but take his criticisms as instructions. "How should we grease the gears of industry?" "It says here to use the blood of workers." "Excellent! Let's do that."
	10:54am Crownless Gander: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:51 Yeah, it's rigged along a lot of axes. But the idea that folks are expected to vote for one of two people who both plan to continue doing literally the worst thing a leader of any state can possibly do is just infuriating, and I hope will cause people to do whatever else they can instead.
	10:54am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Trouble @10:47 i agree, wasn't saying otherwise
	10:54am Mike W: Typical, I’m a failure at everything except being a vector for bad galactic vibes
	10:55am Philip: dig the psych
	10:55am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): hullo hullo
	10:56am still b/p: ↳ Song: "Home Made Jam" by "Bobbi Humphrey" Was trying to check if that was Stevie's harmonica on Bobbi's track. She did play with him on, at least, his Another Star.
	10:56am Lucky: Pebbles!
	10:56am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:45 Another great book inspired by Marx - I read this back in college "Everything Solid Melts Into Air" www.versobooks.com...
	10:56am Lucky: ↳ unpopularfred @10:53 Yessss!
	10:57am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:54 Yeah, there are a few states making moves, like in Maine there’s ranked choice voting, which the republican screeched out. Given the “popularity” of gerrymandering, I don’t have a lot of hope for meaningful change in my lifetime.
	10:58am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Charles in Chicago @10:47 Ah I found the source of that quote - Marx, "Address to the Central Committee," p. 117.
	10:58am paddy in matawan: ↳ Song: "Giving You the Benefit (7" Version)" by "pebbles" This is great. There is so much obscure stuff from the 80s that I want!
	10:59am Crownless Gander: Ranked ballot unfortunately doesn't help that much, as long as it's still for a first-past-the-post system, from what I understand. Proportional representation is really needed to change things. Here in Canada, too, though we at least don't have the electoral college, thank god.
	10:59am Jason from Houston: ↳ Song: "Giving You the Benefit (7" Version)" by "pebbles" Soooooooo good.
	10:59am traven: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:48 True. The two major parties have rigged the system to their favor over the decades. I personally feel that they fear giving any third party candidates a national forum to put forth their ideas.
	10:59am Lucky: ↳ still b/p @10:56 It is Stevie...
	11:00am Toothgrinder Tom: What is the role of human agency in Marxism? If the system ends up collapsing and evolving through its own contradictions?
	11:00am Malcolm: ↳ Song: "Giving You the Benefit (7" Version)" by "pebbles" sounds like an intriguing comp. Their latin freestyle one was really fun
	11:00am still b/p: ↳ Lucky @10:59 Yes, just saw Discogs credit showing it was. Thanks.
	11:00am Handy Haversack: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:59 You can have ours. Seriously, go ahead. It's all yours.
	11:01am Crownless Gander: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @11:00 It's a social science, so it doesn't deny individual agency, just is interested in how that plays out on higher levels.
	11:02am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): enjoying catching up on the chat here today. always so many books to check out
	11:03am Charles in Chicago: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @10:57 Nebraska just rejected a push to eliminate their proportional allotment of electoral votes (which would have benefitted Trump). And it was a Republican who stood up for it. Way to go Mike McDonnell www.cbsnews.com...
	11:03am Handy Haversack: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:00 You can have Missouri, too. We do NOT need it.
	11:03am Mxter Baba: Rest In Power Marcellus Williams 🙏🏿
	11:03am WoodsOfMaine: Rules?!! Like: Thou shalt not kill? Yeah. Right.
	11:04am Peter v: Love this info Trouble!!
	11:04am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:03 Kind of shocking.
	11:04am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ Mxter Baba @11:03 amen RIP Marcellus Khaliifah Williams.
	11:04am Neanderthal Head: just signed on to say, you're making good trouble, trouble.
	11:04am Michael C St Lou: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:03 thanks a lot. I did grow up and educated in Illinois if that helps at all
	11:04am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:03 Ever been to Kansas City, Handy?
	11:05am Franco Twinkie: We're living in dark times, indeed.
	11:06am Noir Lover: I am not shocked most Americans don't vote. Many people are only focused on what's in front of them and don't feel like voting matters to them.
	11:06am tom tom the pipers son: the "recognition" of personhood of a fetus strangely echoes the "recognition" of corporations as "persons"
	11:06am Neanderthal Head: voting is important, but, as adolph reed, jr says, its a way of consolidating what we win on the ground by organizing.
	11:06am βrian: We hit 45% here in Madison for a summer primary. PRIMARY!
	11:07am Edison Mausoleum: Oklahoma had a woman governor recently, but she wasn't exactly a champion of women's rights
	11:07am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Hey Trouble, fellow Troublemakers. YES VOTE VOTE VOTE.
	11:07am You: The most corrupt cities are governed by Democrats.
	11:08am Handy Haversack: ↳ Charles in Chicago @11:04 No, I haven't. I would like to see the Negro Leagues museum some day. Except after last time, K8 and I vowed never to go to Missouri again.
	11:08am Stanley: ↳ Crownless Gander @10:59 Crownless - same system over here, first past the post. I was always for proportional representation but at our recent general election the far right got 14% of the vote, which would translate as 90 seats instead the fuckers got 5. So now, I'm not so sure.
	11:08am Franco Twinkie: ↳ Neanderthal Head @11:06 I like to think that my vote cancels the vote of one shit for brains idiot.
	11:08am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:06 Yup, a blastula is more important than a female host body (which is all the Rethugs see women as -- that or Emotional Support Animals for manbabys). OTOH corporations are "people" that can never be jailed and can kill with impunity.
	11:08am Charles in Chicago: Women of the world, take over! www.youtube.com...
	11:09am Ken From Hyde Park: "Don't vote for criminals" might not be a bad campaign slogan to have.
	11:09am Charles in Chicago: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:08 KC is really cool, and that museum is awesome.
	11:09am Bobby: Alright feels good in here
	11:10am Bobby: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:08 Worth the trip!
	11:10am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:08 exactly it 3moons....hi!
	11:10am Crownless Gander: ↳ Stanley @11:08 Yeah, well, that's a problem with democracy in general. But my feeling is that PR electoral systems are the most democratic, and generally encourage multiple parties with multiple viewpoints who all have to negotiate to come to decisions, because none ends up with a majority.
	11:10am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Also, I've started re-reading the excellent series Transmetropolitan by Warren Ellis. Yes, Ellis turned out to be yet another perv who manipulated and fucked scores of his female fans all while claiming that his life-partner and mother of his child was "unstable, but didn't want to leave her." Still, give the man his fucking royalties this time and READ THIS. Its core theme is....a Presidential election and how fucked up the whole process is. Really. en.wikipedia.org...
	11:11am TDK60: It Can't Happen Here.
	11:12am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ TDK60 @11:11 I bought a copy of that during the orange goon years but had to put it on the shelf. Too much.
	11:13am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Crownless Gander @11:10 does that make it a parliementary gov't?
	11:13am traven: ↳ Noir Lover @11:06 And usually those people who don't vote are the ones who complain the loudest about the policies of the government.
	11:13am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @11:11 Now THAT is a book worth reading! bookshop.org...
	11:13am TDK60: ↳ TDK60 @11:11 That was meant to convey: it can. Hi Woods. I read it around then, too.
	11:14am Mike Sin: The fact that the turnout for 2020 was that low, the fact that any woman in her right mind in 2024 would pull the lever for Trump, and the fact a fair percentage of the population supports pardons for the terrorists that attacked the Capitol building on 1/6/21 tells me that although US was once the country with the most potential to be greatest in the world... we ended up being the f-ed up, untamed mongrels that most countries predicated we be in 1783.
	11:14am Crownless Gander: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:13 I don't think necessarily. Any kind of democratic government with multiple representatives.
	11:14am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ Crownless Gander @11:10 Yup. The Electoral College is an embarassing holdover from the Civil War Era and gives Joe Slackjaw Cousinfucker effectively 5x the voting power of people in those "elite urban enclaves" otherwise known as "actually, where most of the US population actually lives these days." And the Rethugs will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way because without the electoral college, you would never see another Yalliban Rethug President ever again. Yeah, Uncle/Cousin Cletus can still vote for his Dad/Brother for local dog catcher, local corrupt judge, etc, and send his cousin/son to the House/Senate, but the White House? Nope.
	11:14am d-_-b __Listener Jonny in MA: ↳ Song: "all we need" by "patrice rushen" Thanks for this Trouble!!! Great track!
	11:14am You: I’m voting for Harris because Trump might overrule Row v Wade again
	11:15am Stanley: ↳ Crownless Gander @11:10 We'll be watching how Germany fares over the next few yesr.
	11:15am TDK60: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:13 Thanks, Handy. It should be at your local library, right?
	11:15am d-_-b __Listener Jonny in MA: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:14 I love you a little bit right now.
	11:15am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Mike Sin @11:14 A friend of mine often says that the “idea of the United States is circling the drain.” Can’t say that I disagree.
	11:15am Crownless Gander: ↳ You @11:14 Ha ha!
	11:15am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @11:15 Should be!
	11:16am TDK60: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:15 In Missouri?
	11:16am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ You @11:07 Unless you're talking about minor stuff like voter suppression, gutting school budgets, constant pushing the lines between Church and State, and other very corrupt blatant civil rights law-breaking. In that case, the Rethug States and their little hamlets of scared, stupid, heavily armed minions take the gold every time.
	11:16am HyperDose: ↳ d-_-b __Listener Jonny in MA @11:15 🔥 loosens tie it's heating up in here! ♨️
	11:16am Franco Twinkie: ↳ traven @11:13 Exactly. Just like the people who complain about immigrant have never been out of the United State Provincial dumbfucks.
	11:16am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Crownless Gander @11:14 right, was just thinking that because it sounds like a coalition gov't
	11:17am Crownless Gander: Dang, gotta step back out. Thanks for the engaging convo, folks, and for the great music, Trouble!
	11:17am Handy Haversack: ↳ TDK60 @11:16 Somewhat dicier.
	11:17am Mxter Baba: ↳ Neanderthal Head @11:04 yeah!! I appreciate Trouble’s trouble!
	11:17am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:14 “Slackjaw cousinfucker”…gotta write that down.
	11:18am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @11:17 Take it and run with it! Vaya con Dios! :)
	11:18am Ken From Hyde Park: ↳ Franco Twinkie @11:16 And undoubtedly have immigrants tenting their yards and properties.
	11:18am Mxter Baba: oh, and hello folx! just tuning in here upon an autumnal west coast morning
	11:19am Franco Twinkie: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @11:18 Or scrubbing the toilet at Chick Fillet.
	11:19am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ WoodsOfMaine @11:15 i've heard that too. and empires have a 250 year cycle... tick tock...
	11:19am iiibeat: Kinda like how VP Harris supports abortion rights AND the Neo-Con death war machine. Wait . . That is actually consistent. Nevermind! lol
	11:19am TDK60: ↳ Mxter Baba @11:18 Oh hello, Mx B. How did I miss?
	11:20am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ d-_-b __Listener Jonny in MA @11:15 Why thank you! Needed to hear that today. :)
	11:20am Franco Twinkie: ↳ Mxter Baba @11:18 Howdy Babba!
	11:20am (Murakami Whywolf))): ↳ Mike Sin @11:14 You forgot '…and proud of it.'. That's one thing that bugs me: we've always had barbarians in our midst—they were useful in conquering this country from the peoples whose ancestors conquered it before—but they used to know that they needed civilusation, too, and occasionally be embarrassed about our own barbarism. Now they claim that it's all that 'being American' means.
	11:21am chris in the redwoods: ↳ Song: "ain't nobody straight in L.A." by "the miracles" this is amazing! :)
	11:21am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:18 can i offer mothercousinfucker?
	11:21am Michael C St Lou: ↳ Mxter Baba @11:18 hi, just in time, its been fun
	11:21am Noir Lover: ↳ Song: "ain't nobody straight in L.A." by "the miracles" This is wild!
	11:21am Bobby: Any of you local people coming to Monty tonight? Come to Monty tonight. We’ll say hi. We’ll have a moment
	11:22am You: We need a gay president because sexual pleasures beyond human comprehension are a national priority.
	11:22am chresti: Mxter Babakins!
	11:23am chresti: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:20 Threemoons for president!
	11:23am Michael C St Lou: ↳ Bobby @11:21 not local, but been wondering about the neighborhood, how is it for walking at night and sleeping ina car? asking for friend of course
	11:25am unpopularfred: ↳ You @11:22 your sexual comprehension speaks for all humans, does it?
	11:25am Toothgrinder Tom: @Crownless Gander 11:01 let me put it this way: correct me if I’m wrong but if social change arises out of the dialectic of the economic system, then why does one have to do anything at all? Isn’t the outcome already assured (a revolution ushering in a utopian society)?
	11:25am jeanjae: Thank you for encouraging listeners to vote, and thanks for talking about the threats to women's health care. Rock on, sister.
	11:26am HyperDose: Kayleigh Amstutz 2024 🎫🗳️ We're gonna paint the white house pink! ❤️🐴🇺🇸
	11:26am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: America's main problem is that they WERE the world's Golden Child for a hot second. And after WWII, we aalllllllllllllmost got nationalized healthcare and we were the only superpower. Dialing it back to the beginning, we also kickstarted the idea of a government based on a Constitution. Then, eventually, European countries took the idea back and made their own and BETTER configuration of Parliamentary governments, which pretty much forces compromise and coalitions. It's not a winner-take-all system.
	11:28am Bobby: ↳ Michael C St Lou @11:23 I think the neighborhood is not a problem for walking. Not sure about the sleeping in car part. If anyone on right now lives in JC, maybe they could speak to that part
	11:28am Handy Haversack: ↳ Bobby @11:21 Wish I could! I'll make it to one of these, I swear.
	11:29am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @11:25 there is very little dialectic in our economy and i don't think marxists are looking for utopia
	11:30am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: So America stagnated politically while Europe caught up socially. Of course, both the US and much of Western Europe both had ugly pasts that are coming home to bit us all in the ass. The US STILL never really dealt with its bloody foundation of slavery and mass genocide against the indigenous populations, as well as pretty much treating EVERY wave of immigrants like shit in some kind of pecking order to this very day. And Europe...well....colonialism and two very bloody World Wars means that they have a labor problem....as well as the fact that they willingly traded 6 million plus Jews who had been there for hundereds of years and integrated, productive members of society for 10 million mostly male economic refugees who absolutely hate what we would consider Western values.
	11:30am Bobby: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:28 I know you haven’t been to one because I put my hands in my pockets, sigh, and look out the window for you
	11:31am Michael C St Lou: ↳ Bobby @11:28 perfect. TY so much. jk about sleeping in car part tho, sorta
	11:31am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ Bobby @11:28 I can't go tonight but I would never sleep in a car unless I really had to.
	11:31am Mxter Baba: all the kins!
	11:32am HyperDose: ↳ Mxter Baba @11:31 The hive's a-buzzin today! 🍯🐝🐝
	11:32am Handy Haversack: ↳ Bobby @11:30 I feel it every time.
	11:32am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:30 by the 10 million, are you referring to recent immigration
	11:33am northguineahills: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:31 I've done it plenty of times, but usually at a resr area or large parking lot, never on an urban street.
	11:33am Ken From Hyde Park: The last time I slept in my car was when I came to Trouble's bird watching event in the Meadowlands. Pulled up in a bank parking lot in northern NJ to nap for a couple hours.
	11:34am Bobby: Ok new plan everyone drive to the Monty thing and then we’ll pick a rest stop and sleep separately in our cars
	11:35am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: I mean, to our credit, for a hot second (again after WW2) we really did kickstart a lot of the pharmaceutical and technological advancement. Then Reganomics happened and the slow, slow, carefully plotted crawl to pack every court everywhere and lay legal landmines for anything that may remotely give people a sliver of a better quality of life started. It was an intentional slow-burn revenge plan to punish the citizenry for the Civil Rights Movement, and certain very angry old White dudes who wanted their spawn to continue to float on a wave of mediocrity forever.
	11:35am Handy Haversack: ↳ Bobby @11:34 See, if the station hadn't sold that parking lot, there'd be a whole nother world of listener meet-ups just waiting to be explored!
	11:35am Michael C St Lou: ❤Im there
	11:36am Bobby: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:35 TRUE
	11:36am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): ↳ Bobby @11:34 that sounds cute
	11:37am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: And they did that by convincing Uncle Cletus Cousinfucker that anyone remotely smarter or more successful than them was trying to force them to read a book or something, and to cast blame on anyone that looked different than them -- all while American manufacturing was pretty much eviscerated and the destruction of the middle class went on unabated because of outrage politics.
	11:38am Toothgrinder Tom: @tom tom I thought that was the whole appeal?
	11:38am northguineahills: ↳ Bobby @11:34 when i played the x-fest in brattleboro, most of the out of the region slept in their cars in the parking lot of the venue.
	11:38am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: And back to Transmetropolitan -- even though it takes place in the future, it could be now -- one standout line is that "America doesn't manufacture shit anymore; the only thing we export is bad reality TV" or something along those lines. The shit and shenanigans covered in it are an almost perfect parallel of what's going on right now, here, today.
	11:39am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:37 there is a definition of the u.s. oince spouted by john kerry who said" everyone in the u.s. has a right to be stupid"
	11:40am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:39 Yup. And we got Regan because G-d looked down and said unto us "you fuckers don't DESERVE anyone as smart as Carter."
	11:41am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @11:38 yes... idk, but it's not what appeals to me about marxism
	11:41am Jim Macnie: thx for the Russell, Ms. T.
	11:42am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: And back to the idea of the Federalist Society set and packing the courts...the first major play of course was Bush vs. Gore, and once Gore conceded, that's when I knew we were fucked. The Dems are slowly, slowly, SLOWLY starting to realize that you don't bring a fucking teacup poodle and a spoon to a pit bull fight where all of the other participants have rocket launchers.
	11:42am Ĩkė: I’m stuck in a horribly-organized, massive Bklyn Dem Party meeting in a Marriott ballroom after waiting in a seemingly infinite line for an hour. It’s never clear if the corrupt leadership of this Tammany Hall relic intentionally organizes poorly to get reformers to give up and go home, or if they’re just incompetent. Maybe a little of both! Do we have the votes to topple Eric Adams’s pals this year? Who knows?
	11:43am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Song: "coming back ( from the distance between the space... This is such a great album!
	11:44am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:42 Now that I’m thoroughly depressed, I’m gonna go read my backlog of daily Zippy the Pinhead comics...
	11:44am Chris in Kensington Bklyn: ↳ Song: "ain't nobody straight in L.A." by "the miracles" I have this cut on vinyl! It's on their 1975 City of Angels album.
	11:46am Handy Haversack: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:35 Let's not forget that this postwar "prosperity"was only for white Americans and was predicated on retooling a war industrial base to massive production of cars and spreading that to Europe and beyond, massively accelerating the climate crisis and establishing the primacy of the automobile and the supposed "right" to automobility (that is, the growth at any and all cost of fossil fuel companies and manufacturers of cars and planes) -- all of which is the greatest existential threat to the species (with the possible exception of nuclear weapons). So that "advancement" was once again to benefit a tiny (white, wealthy, capitalist) minority at the expense of every other life on Earth. Prosperity? Advancement? I am not seeing it.
	11:46am Trouble: Helllo@jim macnie!!!
	11:48am Handy Haversack: ↳ Ĩkė @11:42 Always bring a book!
	11:48am carlton: THis sounds like John C Reilly is singing
	11:48am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ WoodsOfMaine @11:44 Somewhere in Idaho a stripper is carrying a tuna casserole around the block! Are we having fun yet?
	11:49am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:46 Yup, that too.
	11:49am TDK60: ↳ Song: "coming back ( from the distance between the space... Lonnie Holley sometimes gives me a healing feeling.
	11:49am Ken From Hyde Park: Good news: free test kits are available again: special.usps.com... Bad news: the virus persists and you may need a test kit.
	11:49am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Handy Haversack @11:46 the big picture put succinctly...
	11:50am Ochre Ogre: Thanks Trouble!
	11:51am Trouble: Not exactly @ handy: many african americans held factory jobs in that post war boom and were able to provide for their families. when factories started closing in the 60's and 70's that created huge job losses
	11:51am Toothgrinder Tom: @WoodsOfMaine 11:44 I’ve been doing that with ‘Nancy’ lately.
	11:51am chresti: Handy for Presidant!
	11:52am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Trouble @11:51 in the north...
	11:52am TDK60: ↳ Ken From Hyde Park @11:49 Thanks, Ken. I just ordered more.
	11:53am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:48 Ha!
	11:54am WoodsOfMaine: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @11:51 I sometimes do this thing where I sign up for a newsletter and then let ‘em get backed up. Not sure why. Existential angst or something.
	11:54am Handy Haversack: ↳ Trouble @11:51 True, Trouble, of course. But the wealth extraction of the bosses vs. the meager wealth accumulation of the workers (not to mention redlining and all else) ensured that extraction worked in one direction only. ALL THAT SAID, thanks for another wonderful show! It went far too quickly!
	11:54am northguineahills: happy thanks. trouble!
	11:54am WoodsOfMaine: Great music and great yakkin’ today, as always. Now, time to read a banned book.
	11:55am northguineahills: ↳ Trouble @11:51 detroit is a prime example....
	11:55am TDK60: Merci, Trouble.
	11:55am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: So yeah, now, we've spread pollution all around the world -- privatized profit and socialized the damage. And any solutions are no longer in America's hands; we fumbled the ball. While we have half the country insisting that a blastula can vote and carry a gun, China is cozying up to India and China is going ahead of us as far as medicine and tech -- the only two fucking things that the US had an edge in back after the wars. AND WE DID IT TO OURSELVES. WE outsourced all of our shit to them and they took it all and copied it. Do you think the Chinese government is going to NOT use fetal tissue for drug development? They have an iron-fisted top down system of government and a high social cohesion, which means they can get shit done a lot faster than us. Its neighbor, India, OTOH is still a shattered nation in many ways post-colonialism BUT it has a huge population and like China, a huge global diaspora of well-to-dos.
	11:55am northguineahills: ↳ Song: "a ray of light" by "Susumu Yokota" lurve susumu yokota....
	11:56am Michael C St Lou: ❤❤❤ TY everybody!🥰
	11:57am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Just uploaded a panel from Transmetropolitan in my profile that describes voting in the US perfectly. Have a look!
	11:57am common: ↳ Song: "The Girl From Ipanema" by "Astrud Gilberto" always makes me weepy.
	11:57am love2laf: Thank you trouble, the music selections, the mic breaks (esp urging all to vote), made for a thoroughly modern Thursday. Cheers everyone.
	11:57am tom tom the pipers son: thanks trouble and everyone on the chat
	11:57am northguineahills: ↳ common @11:57 me too!
	11:57am Noir Lover: Great show!
	11:58am common: ↳ northguineahills @11:57 beautiful
	11:58am Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Thanks all! Thanks for the great show Trouble, and thanks all for coming to my TED talk.
	11:58am Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Trouble. Let us go forth and vote for good things, be it ballots or pocketbooks.
	11:58am Dances with Moomins: Thanks Trouble !
	11:58am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @11:58 ha!
	11:59am Douglas R: The girl is my ringtone, and when someone calls, I let it go on so others can hear it to and their heads start bopping.
	11:59am bixa (𝘣𝘦𝘦-𝘩𝘢): thanks trouble <3
	7:20pm Siriusly: Thanks for playing the Jan Steele - my first introduction to WFMU was a friend sharing this album with me that he had found on FMU ages ago. I had played the album while he was visiting, and I guess he searched and found in the archives.

This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from September 26, 2024

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