WFMU: Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from December 25, 2024

Listener comments!
	7:03pm tom tom the pipers son: hi gary and all...
	7:05pm Gary: Evening, Tomx2!
	7:06pm StringOFperils: Hi Gary, T2!
	7:06pm Gary: StringOFperils!
	7:07pm tom tom the pipers son: string O perils! gary!
	🇰🇷 7:10pm WR: Hello Gary and folks. Listening while eating at Indian vegetarian restaurant. Dosas and more.
	7:11pm Gary: WR! Nice, I could use a nice dosa
	7:12pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ WR @7:10 bon appetit....WR
	7:13pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Trance Dance + Mimouna" by "Christer Bothén featu... the bass on this is driving the bus
	7:16pm Poodlecannon: Hey Gary
	7:17pm Gary: Poodlecannon!
	7:27pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Qoçəlı̇" by "Rəhman Məmmədli" never quite heard anything like this before
	7:34pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:27 the only thing i could compare it to was speed metal...in terms of "pyrotechnics" but of course, completely different structurally
	7:41pm StringOFperils: ↳ Song: "This Can't Be Today" by "Rain Parade" Been a long time since I've heard this
	7:43pm Gary: ↳ StringOFperils @7:41 This edition, with a bonus disk, came out last month: www.discogs.com...
	7:50pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Heavy Head" by "Thinking Fellers Union Local 282" a favorite band
	7:52pm Dean: LA post-punk lost the vibe. Bands like Rain Parade somehow missed the point. They were okay, but only okay, and barely so.
	7:52pm Gary: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:50 I knew of them for many years but this is the first album I've heard of theirs I'm embarrassed to admit
	7:53pm Gary: Dean! Do you not like Opal?!?
	7:54pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Gary @7:52 y'know was going to write "favorite 90's band" but thought that was unfair and diminshing...strangers from the universe and mother of all saints are good records
	7:57pm Dean: Opal? I don't know Opal. Talking Heads. Them I know, regrettably. The very nadir of talent.
	7:58pm Gary: ↳ Dean @7:57 100% disagree!
	8:02pm tom tom the pipers son: 'fear of music' is also good from first era...
	8:03pm tom tom the pipers son: i don't think thinking fellers toured much on east coast
	8:08pm coelacanth∅: 'evening Gary, bodegatrons
	8:09pm coelacanth∅: interesting to hear you did the same as i did, except i gave up on english language pop a bit earlier, ~1984
	8:11pm mic_a: Hello Gary and BoPpers! Out here listening; you're not alone. Trying to remember if I saw Rain Parade live back in the day or of it was another of that LA Paisley Underground set -- the bandnames and sounds kind of blurred together for me.
	8:13pm mic_a: "or IF it"
	8:14pm Gary: Hey there, Coelacanth and mic_a!
	8:16pm tom tom the pipers son: hello coelacanth and mic_a...
	8:18pm coelacanth∅: olá tom tom
	8:19pm tom tom the pipers son: japanese "hard" sounds weather noise or rock always sound so distilled and pure
	8:20pm tom tom the pipers son: oy i'm asleep...."whether"
	8:22pm mic_a: Helloo Tom. The audience sounds give the drum solo the feel of a out-in-nature field recording.
	8:23pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @8:19 i've long felt that much of japanese music is mimicry of american influences. there are notable exceptions of course...boris; merzbow; Yukikiro Takahashi; ooioo; boredoms; Satoh Somei ...
	8:24pm coelacanth∅: ...but then the majority of pop and "rock" from most countries is mimicry, to varying degrees, of american and british music.
	8:25pm coelacanth∅: (often coming out better than their influences)
	8:25pm tom tom the pipers son: i think when rock reaches noise's phenomenology in japanese rock or noise it's informed by shintoism maybe and subconsciously
	8:30pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:23 your exceptions are mostly the bands i have in mind plus others like marble sheep, haino, high rise....and i don't think mimicry erases cultural identity and subverts and reconstructs it's sources like in the case of rallizes denudes
	8:31pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:25 right agree
	8:31pm zzmm: whoa, excellent track
	8:32pm Gary: Zzmm!
	8:32pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:25 i'm using "pure" in a confusing way
	8:34pm tom tom the pipers son: cope
	8:35pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @8:30 i don't think it does either...even all the beatles imitators in the 60s still sounded like where they were from, despite a usually painful lack of creativity! ... but, okay boris shouldn't be there; but i'd like to know who you'd cite as the source of the mimicry for all the other artists i mentioned. ...
	8:35pm StringOFperils: Tom Tom gets the Freak Heritage Award
	8:37pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @8:32 mimickry implies impurity, but i think the sound is pure
	8:39pm coelacanth∅: well, i like the idea that japanese "noise" is still influenced by shintoism.
	8:40pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:35 rallizes denudes plays a riff from i will follow him over and over and totally transforms it into something bordering on pure sound
	8:41pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @8:35 hmmm....you don't think i have a point...i may be struggling to try to make it
	8:42pm StringOFperils: You seem to have a point.
	8:43pm coelacanth∅: i think you have a point; but i'm not so sure it applies to all of the examples i gave. i'm totally open to being shown other than what i think. it doesn't have to be today!
	8:47pm coelacanth∅: ...i think of Merzbow as a pioneer, and Yamantaka Eye as well. Satoh i think has been straight-up stolen from - by artists that are very well-known in wfmuland; yet few people know his name. ...on the other hand, some of the concepts are very simple; and it could just be convergent evolution!
	8:47pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:23 a couple of those people i don't know,but when i first commented i wasn't so concerned with mimickry...i was just trying to adapt your point, and rallizes denudes is the only one i'd say that mimics american music and one song pretty much
	8:50pm StringOFperils: No one can know these things, definitively. With reference to Shinto, it may be possible that the Japanese endeavour to inhabit these other forms, as opposed to mimicking them. To live inside of them.
	8:52pm coelacanth∅: i really like what i've heard of les ralizes denudes, and think they were also pioneers. ...the beatles were pioneers too. - it doesn't mean they (either) had no influences. on the contrary their influences are very clear; but, as you pointed out, it's what they've done with it.
	8:53pm tom tom the pipers son: trying to point out an aesthetic difference between east and west basically that japanese noise is based in nature and phenomenology where west is mor psychologically driven, but i dion't think this is an original thought to bring up, but maybe in a description of japanese noise/rock
	8:55pm Jill B.: Merry Christmas Gary and all of the Bodegaistas!
	8:56pm Gary: Hi, Mom!
	8:56pm coelacanth∅: hi Jill!
	8:56pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @8:50 very true...i tried to allude top this by saying "maybe" and "possibly' shintoism...and right, the japanese probably conceptualize mimickry differently than how we do...thanks
	8:56pm Gary: Did you guys have a nice dinner?
	8:57pm tom tom the pipers son: thank you jill
	9:00pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:52 yes, i don't think that rallizes was influenced by the west but they appropriated western tropes as farce
	9:04pm StringOFperils: Les Rallizes Dénudés seemed to embrace amplification in a pure way and producing a lot of power or bombast seems like an obvious goal. The aggressiveness of western rock as general sound and feel without understanding or caring about any of the lyrics. Pure Earth energy.
	9:05pm Alex from Media: Hi Gary and Bodega rats! Happy Holidays from snowy and cold Albany.
	9:06pm Gary: Alex from Media!
	9:08pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:04 yes, this is why i'm bringing up phenomenology/ pure sound....but you're putting it succinctly.... :)
	9:11pm StringOFperils: Gary's right of course. All of these things we posit are after-the-fact, and super-imposing reason (?) is a parlour game. I do it all the time, while eye-rolling at my own speculation half the time. Probably should be more than half.
	9:12pm tom tom the pipers son: @ gary...we're not talking about cultural purity...it's about quality of sound
	9:16pm Gary: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:12 Oh! Sorry, I wasn't paying close enough attention, I'm afraid
	9:20pm Alex from Media: @StringOFperils i agree. If you view music as a communication of an emotional state, as I do, then to anayze it is to miss the point.
	9:21pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:11 i think this is only partially true...as you're saying too... i don't think it's necessary or possible to end a spritz like this neatly
	9:22pm Jill B.: Yes, we had a great dinner, un time for all of us. Walked back home in the pouring rain just before dark. Looking forward to a healing 2025!
	9:22pm Gary: ↳ Jill B. @9:22 Pouring rain! Sounds like Oregon hasn't changed haha
	9:22pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Alex from Media @9:20 i think that's the western idea...japanese music is somethiong else
	9:24pm Julie: Hi Gary!
	9:25pm Gary: Hi, Julie!
	9:27pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "I Scream This into the Mirror Before I Interact w... i liike the emotions this is getting across
	9:30pm mic_a: Checking out... thanks Gary, easy all.
	9:30pm tom tom the pipers son: g'nite...
	9:31pm Gary: Night, mic_a and Tomx2, here's to a great 2025 for you both!
	9:31pm Alex from Media: @tom tom the pipers son As with all arts the purpose is culturally contextual.
	9:32pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Gary @9:31 thank gary was just saying nite yo mic_a
	9:33pm tom tom the pipers son: to mic_a
	9:34pm Gary: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:33 Welcome back, Tomx2! Don't mind me I'm just misinterpreting everything you write haha
	9:38pm zzmm: Is This one "Cindy Lee"?
	9:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Alex from Media @9:31 your comment about emotions and music didn't really fit in to the discussion about japanese noise where emotions are secondary
	9:39pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Gary @9:34 👍🏻👍🏻
	9:39pm StringOFperils: It's very refreshing to speak with people who don't mind being disagreed with. So hard not to end a sentence with a conjunction. Sorry Oxford!
	9:40pm Julie: I'll be right here wfmu.org...
	9:41pm tom tom the pipers son: it's all about learning... : )
	9:46pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Kulirrína Trumpets" by "Wakuénai (Curripaco)" i wonder about the creation of instruments in the first place and how a desired sound is arrived at or is the sound just whats possible in the specific time and space
	9:47pm Alex from Media: Entering the mood piece zone...
	9:48pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Água" by "Chico Mello / Helinho Brandão" digging...reminds me of herrmanns taxi driver sdtrk
	9:50pm StringOFperils: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:46 Very cosmological. It's true, you are evolved to this place and time where you're a thing with vibrating bones connected to its nervous system and so are your compatriots so communication by sound happens (later language). Along the way, people find voices in the wood etcetera
	9:52pm Julie: ↳ Song: "Água" by "Chico Mello / Helinho Brandão" this is wonderfully dark and haunting
	9:53pm Gary: ↳ Julie @9:52 This whole record is terrific, and wide-ranging in sound and feel
	9:54pm StringOFperils: Great for walking around henges at solstice.
	9:56pm Alex from Media: Thanks for the show Gary! A pleasant surpise to find you on!
	9:56pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:50 been reading a bit about language and french structuralism and the analyitical parsing of language to thing like phonemes....also levi strauss and the raw and the cooked that you mentioned a while back that i was unknowingly doubling
	9:57pm Jill B.: As we approach the end of tonight's wonderful program, here's to a very Happy New Year to one and all, and especially to Gary!
	9:57pm Gary: Happy new year Mom and everyone!
	9:58pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks gary... nice program...enjoyed a lot of it
	9:58pm StringOFperils: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:56 Many interesting ways of witnessing the world...speaking of which, amazing Christmas Day survival show! Thank YOU Gary!
	10:00pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:58 ha ha
	10:02pm Alex from Media: Hi Julie! You got shows up you sleeve like Santas got toys in his sack!
	10:06pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Gary!
	8:03pm TDK60: Sorry I missed the show, Gary. -Thu.26.Dec.24-

Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from December 25, 2024

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December 25, 2024: Looking Back on 2024
A mish-mash of sounds released, remixed, or re-issued on this planet this year. Pinoy funk, Uzbek disco, Peruvian electronic, Argentinian jazz, Brazilian experimental, Azerbaijani psychedelic, paisley underground, much more

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Artist	Track	Album	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
Music behind DJ: Bodega Pop	Introduction "Introduction" by "Bodega Pop"	Bodega Pop	2024		0:00:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Christer Bothén featuring Bolon Bata	Trance Dance + Mimouna	Trancedance	2024	Original release 1984	0:04:34 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Rəhman Məmmədli	Qoçəlı̇ "Qoçəlı̇" by "Rəhman Məmmədli"	Azerbaijani Gitara Volume 2	2024		0:24:31 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: CHBB	Speedloch "Speedloch" by "CHBB"	CHBB	2024		0:28:34 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Claire Cirocco	B1 + B2 "B1 + B2" by "Claire Cirocco"	Drawing Circles Around the Center	2024		0:33:18 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Rain Parade	This Can't Be Today "This Can't Be Today" by "Rain Parade"	Emergency Third Rail Power Trip	2024		0:37:46 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Art Yard	Something in Your Eyes "Something in Your Eyes" by "Art Yard"	Propeller Product Prop 4–1	2024		0:42:09 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Galaxie 500	See Through Glasses "See Through Glasses" by "Galaxie 500"	Uncollected Noise New York '88 -'90	2024		0:45:14 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Thinking Fellers Union Local 282	Heavy Head	The Funeral Pudding	2024		0:49:06 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Talking Heads	Pulled Up (Alternate Pop Version)	Talking Heads: 77 Deluxe Version	2024		0:54:10 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: SML	Industry "Industry" by "SML"	Small Medium Large	2024		0:58:31 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Flower Travellin' Band	Hiroshima "Hiroshima" by "Flower Travellin' Band"	Make Up	2024		1:06:37 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Clä-Sick	Morning In China "Morning In China" by "Clä-Sick"	Soft Selection 84	2024		1:31:42 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
cLOUDDEAD	Apt. A (2) "Apt. A (2)" by "cLOUDDEAD"	cLOUDDEAD	2024		1:35:16 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Arturo Ruiz del Pozo	Selvynas "Selvynas" by "Arturo Ruiz del Pozo"	Tránsitos Sónicos - Música electrónica y para cinta de compositores peruanos (1964-1984)	2024		1:41:26 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Grupo de Improvisacion Tercer Mundo	Bajo el Sol del Sur	Un Hilo de Luz	2024		1:48:37 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Septet Matchi-Oul	Relaxin "Relaxin" by "Septet Matchi-Oul"	Terremoto	2024		2:00:20 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Regaldo	Pinoy Funk "Pinoy Funk" by "Regaldo"	Ayo Ke Disco: Boogie, Pop & Funk from the South China Sea (1974-88)	2024		2:06:22 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Doechii	Denial Is a River "Denial Is a River" by "Doechii"	Alligator Bites Never Heal	2024		2:12:49 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Charli XCX	Rewind "Rewind" by "Charli XCX"	brat	2024		2:15:41 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Big Freedia	Louder "Louder" by "Big Freedia"	Hitz Vol. 2 2010-2020	2024		2:18:20 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
SOPHIE feat. Doss	Love Me Off Earth	SOPHIE	2024		2:21:51 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
JPEGMAFIA	I Scream This into the Mirror Before I Interact with Anyone	I Lay Down My Life for You	2024		2:25:27 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
DJ Znóbia	Danca Da Ma Ju "Danca Da Ma Ju" by "DJ Znóbia"	Inventor Vol. 2	2024		2:27:16 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Origiinal	Sen Qaidan Bilasan (How Do You Know)	Synthesizing the Silk Roads: Uzbek Disco, Tajik Folktronica, Uyghur Rock & Tatar Jazz from 1980s Soviet Central Asia	2024		2:31:42 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Cindy Lee	Wild One "Wild One" by "Cindy Lee"	Diamond Jubilee	2024		2:35:58 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Nūrbolat Janamanov	The Nogai Khanate \| Noğailynyñ küiı (Jyr küiı) \| Ноғайлының күйі (Жыр күйі) \| Кюй про Ногайское ханство	Baljan: Kazakh Instrumental Music	2024		2:37:56 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Wakuénai (Curripaco)	Kulirrína Trumpets	Music for Shape-Shifters: Field Recordings from the Amazonian Lowlands, 1981-1985	2024		2:41:24 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Chico Mello / Helinho Brandão	Água	Chico Mello / Helinho Brandão	2024		2:45:27 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Yara Asmar	it's always october on sunday (excerpt)	home recordings 2018 - 2021 / synth waltzes & accordion laments (remastered)	2024	Not enough time to play the whole track, this is an excerpt	2:54:58 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	7:03pm tom tom the pipers son: hi gary and all...
	7:05pm Gary: Evening, Tomx2!
	7:06pm StringOFperils: Hi Gary, T2!
	7:06pm Gary: StringOFperils!
	7:07pm tom tom the pipers son: string O perils! gary!
	🇰🇷 7:10pm WR: Hello Gary and folks. Listening while eating at Indian vegetarian restaurant. Dosas and more.
	7:11pm Gary: WR! Nice, I could use a nice dosa
	7:12pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ WR @7:10 bon appetit....WR
	7:13pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Trance Dance + Mimouna" by "Christer Bothén featu... the bass on this is driving the bus
	7:16pm Poodlecannon: Hey Gary
	7:17pm Gary: Poodlecannon!
	7:27pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Qoçəlı̇" by "Rəhman Məmmədli" never quite heard anything like this before
	7:34pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:27 the only thing i could compare it to was speed metal...in terms of "pyrotechnics" but of course, completely different structurally
	7:41pm StringOFperils: ↳ Song: "This Can't Be Today" by "Rain Parade" Been a long time since I've heard this
	7:43pm Gary: ↳ StringOFperils @7:41 This edition, with a bonus disk, came out last month: www.discogs.com...
	7:50pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Heavy Head" by "Thinking Fellers Union Local 282" a favorite band
	7:52pm Dean: LA post-punk lost the vibe. Bands like Rain Parade somehow missed the point. They were okay, but only okay, and barely so.
	7:52pm Gary: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @7:50 I knew of them for many years but this is the first album I've heard of theirs I'm embarrassed to admit
	7:53pm Gary: Dean! Do you not like Opal?!?
	7:54pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Gary @7:52 y'know was going to write "favorite 90's band" but thought that was unfair and diminshing...strangers from the universe and mother of all saints are good records
	7:57pm Dean: Opal? I don't know Opal. Talking Heads. Them I know, regrettably. The very nadir of talent.
	7:58pm Gary: ↳ Dean @7:57 100% disagree!
	8:02pm tom tom the pipers son: 'fear of music' is also good from first era...
	8:03pm tom tom the pipers son: i don't think thinking fellers toured much on east coast
	8:08pm coelacanth∅: 'evening Gary, bodegatrons
	8:09pm coelacanth∅: interesting to hear you did the same as i did, except i gave up on english language pop a bit earlier, ~1984
	8:11pm mic_a: Hello Gary and BoPpers! Out here listening; you're not alone. Trying to remember if I saw Rain Parade live back in the day or of it was another of that LA Paisley Underground set -- the bandnames and sounds kind of blurred together for me.
	8:13pm mic_a: "or IF it"
	8:14pm Gary: Hey there, Coelacanth and mic_a!
	8:16pm tom tom the pipers son: hello coelacanth and mic_a...
	8:18pm coelacanth∅: olá tom tom
	8:19pm tom tom the pipers son: japanese "hard" sounds weather noise or rock always sound so distilled and pure
	8:20pm tom tom the pipers son: oy i'm asleep...."whether"
	8:22pm mic_a: Helloo Tom. The audience sounds give the drum solo the feel of a out-in-nature field recording.
	8:23pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @8:19 i've long felt that much of japanese music is mimicry of american influences. there are notable exceptions of course...boris; merzbow; Yukikiro Takahashi; ooioo; boredoms; Satoh Somei ...
	8:24pm coelacanth∅: ...but then the majority of pop and "rock" from most countries is mimicry, to varying degrees, of american and british music.
	8:25pm coelacanth∅: (often coming out better than their influences)
	8:25pm tom tom the pipers son: i think when rock reaches noise's phenomenology in japanese rock or noise it's informed by shintoism maybe and subconsciously
	8:30pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:23 your exceptions are mostly the bands i have in mind plus others like marble sheep, haino, high rise....and i don't think mimicry erases cultural identity and subverts and reconstructs it's sources like in the case of rallizes denudes
	8:31pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:25 right agree
	8:31pm zzmm: whoa, excellent track
	8:32pm Gary: Zzmm!
	8:32pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:25 i'm using "pure" in a confusing way
	8:34pm tom tom the pipers son: cope
	8:35pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @8:30 i don't think it does either...even all the beatles imitators in the 60s still sounded like where they were from, despite a usually painful lack of creativity! ... but, okay boris shouldn't be there; but i'd like to know who you'd cite as the source of the mimicry for all the other artists i mentioned. ...
	8:35pm StringOFperils: Tom Tom gets the Freak Heritage Award
	8:37pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @8:32 mimickry implies impurity, but i think the sound is pure
	8:39pm coelacanth∅: well, i like the idea that japanese "noise" is still influenced by shintoism.
	8:40pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:35 rallizes denudes plays a riff from i will follow him over and over and totally transforms it into something bordering on pure sound
	8:41pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @8:35 hmmm....you don't think i have a point...i may be struggling to try to make it
	8:42pm StringOFperils: You seem to have a point.
	8:43pm coelacanth∅: i think you have a point; but i'm not so sure it applies to all of the examples i gave. i'm totally open to being shown other than what i think. it doesn't have to be today!
	8:47pm coelacanth∅: ...i think of Merzbow as a pioneer, and Yamantaka Eye as well. Satoh i think has been straight-up stolen from - by artists that are very well-known in wfmuland; yet few people know his name. ...on the other hand, some of the concepts are very simple; and it could just be convergent evolution!
	8:47pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:23 a couple of those people i don't know,but when i first commented i wasn't so concerned with mimickry...i was just trying to adapt your point, and rallizes denudes is the only one i'd say that mimics american music and one song pretty much
	8:50pm StringOFperils: No one can know these things, definitively. With reference to Shinto, it may be possible that the Japanese endeavour to inhabit these other forms, as opposed to mimicking them. To live inside of them.
	8:52pm coelacanth∅: i really like what i've heard of les ralizes denudes, and think they were also pioneers. ...the beatles were pioneers too. - it doesn't mean they (either) had no influences. on the contrary their influences are very clear; but, as you pointed out, it's what they've done with it.
	8:53pm tom tom the pipers son: trying to point out an aesthetic difference between east and west basically that japanese noise is based in nature and phenomenology where west is mor psychologically driven, but i dion't think this is an original thought to bring up, but maybe in a description of japanese noise/rock
	8:55pm Jill B.: Merry Christmas Gary and all of the Bodegaistas!
	8:56pm Gary: Hi, Mom!
	8:56pm coelacanth∅: hi Jill!
	8:56pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @8:50 very true...i tried to allude top this by saying "maybe" and "possibly' shintoism...and right, the japanese probably conceptualize mimickry differently than how we do...thanks
	8:56pm Gary: Did you guys have a nice dinner?
	8:57pm tom tom the pipers son: thank you jill
	9:00pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @8:52 yes, i don't think that rallizes was influenced by the west but they appropriated western tropes as farce
	9:04pm StringOFperils: Les Rallizes Dénudés seemed to embrace amplification in a pure way and producing a lot of power or bombast seems like an obvious goal. The aggressiveness of western rock as general sound and feel without understanding or caring about any of the lyrics. Pure Earth energy.
	9:05pm Alex from Media: Hi Gary and Bodega rats! Happy Holidays from snowy and cold Albany.
	9:06pm Gary: Alex from Media!
	9:08pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:04 yes, this is why i'm bringing up phenomenology/ pure sound....but you're putting it succinctly.... :)
	9:11pm StringOFperils: Gary's right of course. All of these things we posit are after-the-fact, and super-imposing reason (?) is a parlour game. I do it all the time, while eye-rolling at my own speculation half the time. Probably should be more than half.
	9:12pm tom tom the pipers son: @ gary...we're not talking about cultural purity...it's about quality of sound
	9:16pm Gary: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:12 Oh! Sorry, I wasn't paying close enough attention, I'm afraid
	9:20pm Alex from Media: @StringOFperils i agree. If you view music as a communication of an emotional state, as I do, then to anayze it is to miss the point.
	9:21pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:11 i think this is only partially true...as you're saying too... i don't think it's necessary or possible to end a spritz like this neatly
	9:22pm Jill B.: Yes, we had a great dinner, un time for all of us. Walked back home in the pouring rain just before dark. Looking forward to a healing 2025!
	9:22pm Gary: ↳ Jill B. @9:22 Pouring rain! Sounds like Oregon hasn't changed haha
	9:22pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Alex from Media @9:20 i think that's the western idea...japanese music is somethiong else
	9:24pm Julie: Hi Gary!
	9:25pm Gary: Hi, Julie!
	9:27pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "I Scream This into the Mirror Before I Interact w... i liike the emotions this is getting across
	9:30pm mic_a: Checking out... thanks Gary, easy all.
	9:30pm tom tom the pipers son: g'nite...
	9:31pm Gary: Night, mic_a and Tomx2, here's to a great 2025 for you both!
	9:31pm Alex from Media: @tom tom the pipers son As with all arts the purpose is culturally contextual.
	9:32pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Gary @9:31 thank gary was just saying nite yo mic_a
	9:33pm tom tom the pipers son: to mic_a
	9:34pm Gary: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:33 Welcome back, Tomx2! Don't mind me I'm just misinterpreting everything you write haha
	9:38pm zzmm: Is This one "Cindy Lee"?
	9:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Alex from Media @9:31 your comment about emotions and music didn't really fit in to the discussion about japanese noise where emotions are secondary
	9:39pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Gary @9:34 👍🏻👍🏻
	9:39pm StringOFperils: It's very refreshing to speak with people who don't mind being disagreed with. So hard not to end a sentence with a conjunction. Sorry Oxford!
	9:40pm Julie: I'll be right here wfmu.org...
	9:41pm tom tom the pipers son: it's all about learning... : )
	9:46pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Kulirrína Trumpets" by "Wakuénai (Curripaco)" i wonder about the creation of instruments in the first place and how a desired sound is arrived at or is the sound just whats possible in the specific time and space
	9:47pm Alex from Media: Entering the mood piece zone...
	9:48pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Água" by "Chico Mello / Helinho Brandão" digging...reminds me of herrmanns taxi driver sdtrk
	9:50pm StringOFperils: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:46 Very cosmological. It's true, you are evolved to this place and time where you're a thing with vibrating bones connected to its nervous system and so are your compatriots so communication by sound happens (later language). Along the way, people find voices in the wood etcetera
	9:52pm Julie: ↳ Song: "Água" by "Chico Mello / Helinho Brandão" this is wonderfully dark and haunting
	9:53pm Gary: ↳ Julie @9:52 This whole record is terrific, and wide-ranging in sound and feel
	9:54pm StringOFperils: Great for walking around henges at solstice.
	9:56pm Alex from Media: Thanks for the show Gary! A pleasant surpise to find you on!
	9:56pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:50 been reading a bit about language and french structuralism and the analyitical parsing of language to thing like phonemes....also levi strauss and the raw and the cooked that you mentioned a while back that i was unknowingly doubling
	9:57pm Jill B.: As we approach the end of tonight's wonderful program, here's to a very Happy New Year to one and all, and especially to Gary!
	9:57pm Gary: Happy new year Mom and everyone!
	9:58pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks gary... nice program...enjoyed a lot of it
	9:58pm StringOFperils: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:56 Many interesting ways of witnessing the world...speaking of which, amazing Christmas Day survival show! Thank YOU Gary!
	10:00pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ StringOFperils @9:58 ha ha
	10:02pm Alex from Media: Hi Julie! You got shows up you sleeve like Santas got toys in his sack!
	10:06pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Gary!
	8:03pm TDK60: Sorry I missed the show, Gary. -Thu.26.Dec.24-

Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from December 25, 2024

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