WFMU: Mid-Valley Mutations with Austin Rich: Playlist from February 4, 2025

Listener comments!
	👻 7:47pm Austin Rich: Good Hello.
	👻 8:28pm Arvo Zylo: Mello Jello! Wavy Gravy! It's Time For The Percolator!
	8:38pm JM in Texas: Howdy
	8:53pm Imaginos: Ahoy
	👻 8:53pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ JM in Texas @8:38 Hi JM! Thanks for showing up!
	👻 8:54pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Imaginos @8:53 Greetings!
	8:55pm Imaginos: ↳ Arvo Zylo @8:54 Great to be here
	9:00pm JM in Texas: ↳ Arvo Zylo @8:53 Thx, looking forward to it! HeyHeyHey, Imaginos
	9:00pm Mr. X: Hey, gang!
	9:01pm Aitch: Conundrump
	9:01pm Geoff-U: Happy Tuesday! been a minute!
	9:02pm Kat in the chat: Hello Austin and Arvo and all y'all. I may not be in chat much but my ears are here!
	9:03pm Geoff-U: Attempting a new listening paradigm - Airpods on "Transaparency" mode since i'm making dinner 100% of the time this show is on haha
	9:03pm Imaginos: Nancy and Sluggo.
	👻 9:04pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Kat in the chat @9:02 Hi Kat! Good to see you! And Thanks all for coming by!
	9:05pm Imaginos: I use Suno, too.
	👻 9:05pm Austin Rich: ↳ Imaginos @9:05 I used it last time for Arvo's other "intro" music, so I thought I'd give it a shot again.
	9:06pm Mr. X: ↳ Song: "Arvo Intro Music" by "Suno.com" Rock Me, Arvodeus!
	👻 9:06pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Song: "Arvo Intro Music" by "Suno.com" Oh lord! I haven't been able to get anything useful from that site yet, but I didn't spend too much time on it. I tried to do a happy birthday song for a friend, but it kept spitting out R&B type stuff for some reason.
	9:06pm JM in Texas: ↳ Mr. X @9:06 !!!
	9:06pm Geoff-U: this is amazing
	👻 9:07pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @9:06 That's pretty great!
	9:07pm Geoff-U: Oh haha it's Suno
	9:08pm Imaginos: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:06 I've managed sea shanties, country, metal and rock and kids songs
	👻 9:09pm Austin Rich: I will do my best to get the song transitions between songs right this week, but I might need a little help from Arvo, now and then.
	👻 9:09pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Imaginos @9:08 I guess I need to investigate further. I tend to avoid AI music, but I do embrace AI art from time to time.
	👻 9:10pm Austin Rich: As a member of Human Dinosaur, I often dance like a Pterodactyl. But there's very little blood in my case, and I'm not much of a raging psycho.
	👻 9:10pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:09 I'm going to double check, but I thought there were some time notations in there somewhere.
	9:11pm Imaginos: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:09 I'm a lyricist by hobby and I enjoy listening to my words being put to music
	👻 9:11pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:10 I thought of this element after the fact!
	9:12pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @9:10 Batman had his Bat Dance, so we get to have the Pterodactyl Dance.
	👻 9:12pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Imaginos @9:11 I have enjoyed the bandcamp/youtube channel "Almost Vinyl". They make vulgar lyrics to soul songs created by AI.
	👻 9:13pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:10 This playlist didn't come with time notations, but we can work together on this.
	9:13pm Imaginos: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:12 Sounds like a fun channel
	👻 9:14pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:13 I know I at least noted something for the more experimental stuff. It might be in a word file, but not the PDF because I forgot to update the PDF.
	👻 9:15pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @9:12 I'm sure we can Rock The Dinosaur for a number of species. The Raptor Rhumba?
	9:16pm Imaginos: ↳ Austin Rich @9:15 Brontosaurus Bop
	👻 9:18pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:12 I have mixed feelings about AI art and music, since there are a number of complicated political arguments against / for it. Certainly if we want to go down that road, there are a number of other issues that are incredibly important, and I often feel like getting upset about AI art is a way of distracting people from more important issues. As a creative tool, it is limited, but it has uses, and I like the way that it offers access to some kinds of art making that some folks didn't have access to being able to make, before. So... yeah, it's a complex issue, before I bring in my love of Max Headroom...
	👻 9:18pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:13 You are correct. My memory tricked me into making myself look lazy. Sorry. Will make sure it is done next time.
	9:18pm Imaginos: Static
	9:18pm Geoff-U: I plugged the MicroGranny into the Digitakt and night before last and it made some very pleasant sounds similar to this
	👻 9:19pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:18 No sweat. I think this show will be pretty easy, for the most part.
	👻 9:19pm Austin Rich: ↳ Geoff-U @9:18 I do love the kind of noise you can get on a MicroGranny. It adds a very nice crunch.
	👻 9:20pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "PISSHEAD" by "Exit Electronics" I appreciate that there's still a beat under all the noise. I could see people dancing to this at a noise fest.
	👻 9:20pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:18 The art world as a whole has been the domain of rich kids and money launderers for a long time. I think AI art is a good way to flesh out my own ideas, but I rarely want to hang it on my wall.
	👻 9:22pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:20 Totally! (On the first count.) And I agree (On the second count.)
	👻 9:23pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:20 There is a subgenre called "Power Noise" which is mainly embraced by goth circles, because it is often just dance beats and distortion, but sometimes it can be compelling outside of just the faculty of danceability, and that is where my interest lies. I'm a little bit of an outlier, because I like loop-based experimental music more than more spacious or erratic sounds, but I don't like a lot of hip techno, so I have this very small middle ground area where I really appreciate the occasional bridge between those paradigms.
	9:24pm Imaginos: Getting sleepy. Good show, though.
	👻 9:24pm Austin Rich: ↳ Imaginos @9:24 I understand. Sleep well, and I'll see you soon online...
	👻 9:25pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:23 I've got some Power Noise records. When done right, I quite enjoy it.
	👻 9:27pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:23 There was a long-running experimental fest (that is no more, now) that had a rule against "beat based music" as one of their few "content" stipulations. I think it was mostly to keep out bands like were clearly not experimental, but it also kept out Power Noise and some other acts. Eventually, I started putting beats in the videos I was sending to them, and I never had them turned down.
	9:27pm Mr. X: Austin and I have occasionally made the observation that the current iteration of AI has very little to do with the original conception of what artificial intelligence was supposed to be.
	👻 9:27pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:25 I might do some more of that for you next season, if you like!
	9:27pm JM in Texas: ↳ Imaginos @9:24 Good night and good rest of the week, Imaginos
	9:28pm Geoff-U: ↳ Austin Rich @9:19 I find the MicroGranny unpredictable and difficult to control, so i'm definitely keeping it forever
	9:28pm Kat in the chat: For Later: Dorit Chrysler on Fabio's show last week www.wfmu.org...
	👻 9:30pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @9:27 "AI" is just a tech brand that you can slap on some new things you developed, and it will get a certain about of hits and reblogs because you used that brand. But it rarely has anything to do with creating something that has a kind of intelligence to it, for better or for worse. It's usually just new algorithms that do complex work that used to take much longer before, and now can be done quicker and more cheaply. Its more boring than you would think!
	9:30pm JM in Texas: ↳ Austin Rich @9:25 Speaking of, will 2025 see a MutationFest?
	👻 9:30pm Austin Rich: ↳ Kat in the chat @9:28 Oh, I need to listen to that!
	9:31pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Geoff-U @9:28 Nice review!
	👻 9:31pm Austin Rich: ↳ JM in Texas @9:30 I don't know. Maybe in the late Summer or Fall? I haven't thought that far ahead. It would be nice to do again, but I'm not sitting on a lot of live performances, like I was during the original Mutation Fest.
	👻 9:32pm Heather Z: Got two tuned in from Rochester NY! Loving the music so far and the intro track cracked us (me especially) up!! Glad there's bonus time tonight!
	👻 9:32pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:27 I know someone who played a fest like that a few times doing harsh noise, and then one time, they worked really hard on doing an alternate soundtrack to Blade Runner, which was still plenty experimental, but I guess that was the last time they played that fest. I think that may have been a bit too strict of an implementation, but I generally prefer actual noise to be performed at noise fests. Lots of proper musicians use noise fests to build up their confidence or what have you. I am personally supportive of noise fests maintaining noise. I've done noise fests where a rock band just came and played pop rock songs. Most of us went outside during that time. Maybe they initially claimed that they were noise rock. It's a genre plug that gets thrown around easily.
	👻 9:33pm Austin Rich: ↳ Heather Z @9:32 Nice to see you in the Salon tonight. Two bonus listeners! That's exciting.
	👻 9:35pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Heather Z @9:32 Hi Heather! Good to see you!
	👻 9:35pm Heather Z: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:35 Hi Arvo! You're rocking it tonight!!
	👻 9:35pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:32 Yeah, I think it needs to at least be experimental. And if it is truly a "noise" fest, then maybe keep it just to noise. But I think there's room for a lot of other kinds of experimental music, outside of the noisewalls and drones that seems to dominate most noise fests. I like it when you get something that the noise guys think is weird, but is still not rock and roll, or something more conventional.
	👻 9:38pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:35 I've definitely experienced overkill from watching 13 hours of noise sets three days in a row, but that included tape loops, samplers, amplified objects that could be discerned (not buried in distortion) and etc. I think curation is pretty important, but I'm generally just happy to play out of town to more than five people.
	👻 9:39pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:38 Yeah. Day three of a three-day fest, and I'm spent. I don't care how cool the final afterparty is, and what amazing act is gonna DJ at Midnight in someone's living room. I need to recover at that point.
	👻 9:40pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "Return" by "Jucifer" Was there a rock band called Jucifer in the late 90's / early 00's, or am I mis-remembering that?
	9:40pm Mr. X: ↳ Song: "Return" by "Jucifer" Sort of like Muslimgauze, but more filled-out.
	👻 9:41pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:39 I DJ'ed an after party for Neon Marshmallow fest, took a belt sander to some 78s in real time. Had a great bassy sound...
	👻 9:41pm Austin Rich: ↳ Austin Rich @9:40 No, I guess this is the band I was thinking of. They've been around that long.
	👻 9:42pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:41 Okay, that sounds pretty fun. But I can only stay for one drink, and then I REALLY need to sleep... (Six drinks later, and I'm DJing a set from what I can find on the ground at he party.)
	👻 9:44pm Austin Rich: I think that's the tour I was thinking of, when I remembered seeing Jucifer! I used to go see the Melvins any time they came to PDX when I lived there, and have seen them FAR TOO MANY times.
	👻 9:45pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @9:40 Oh, right. I forgot about that band. I need to check them out.
	👻 9:45pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Mr. X @9:40 I have to admit that I don't get Muslimgauze a lot of the time. The occasional ambient track is good. I would be very receptive to more Arabic-based metal and such.
	👻 9:46pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:44 I bought everything by Jucifer when I first saw them, they were so good! I still need to see them in their more nomadic/huge soundsystem conglomerate.
	9:46pm JM in Texas: I last saw Melvin’s in 2015, Le Butcherettes opened……haven’t heard anything about them in a minute.
	9:47pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Austin Rich @9:42 That last sentence made me laugh out loud, quite a mental picture there :)
	👻 9:48pm Heather Z: ↳ Kat in the chat @9:47 That's the party I want to be at!!
	👻 9:49pm Austin Rich: ↳ JM in Texas @9:46 I think they still tour and put out records, but they certainly go through leaner years, and then years where they are more popular. I feel like there was some scandal a few years back, during the first year of the Pandemic?
	9:49pm JM in Texas: Loving this Eskaton!
	👻 9:50pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Heather Z @9:48 The venue I DJ'ed at was also a hair salon! There were people getting their hair done as I DJ'ed! Government Alpha did an additional live set there that night, and we talked a lot.
	9:51pm Mr. X: ↳ Song: "Eskaton" by "Eskaton" The only 90s prog band that I can think of offhand is Ozric Tentacles. This sounds kind of like Gong to me, except faster and more precise.
	👻 9:52pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:50 I appreciate any place putting on a show that is NOT a traditional music venue. I think when you can get food and booze out of the equation, suddenly the show takes on a better and more interesting dynamic. I played a record store that was a lot of fun, and art galleries still stand out as the best places for experimental music. Though I think the vintage clothing store Mr. X and I played at last year was a lot of fun, too.
	👻 9:52pm Heather Z: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:50 I love it!! I wish they had a DJ at my hair place!
	9:52pm Mr. X: ↳ Mr. X @9:51 (And in tune, LOL.)
	👻 9:53pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @9:51 I still like Gong. They can get a little long in the tooth, but they are still fun.
	9:55pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @9:53 Always a danger with prog. I divide my prog playlists into songs less than 9 minutes long, and those over 9 minutes. I call them Prog Nog, and Prog Nog Epics.
	👻 9:57pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Mr. X @9:51 This was reissued from a 1981 release. www.discogs.com... Of "1980s prog" I tend to gravitate towards Dorian Gray, who were more considered Krautrock, but they satiate any prog itch I may have.
	👻 9:58pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @9:55 I went through a prog phase, when you could find King Crimson records for $2 at Goodwill. There's some stuff that's better than others, but I'm pretty picky, and not really a very deep or well-listened fan. Like with all music, if the song is long, it should be good the whole time, too. Otherwise... maybe it should be shorter?
	👻 10:00pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:57 www.progarchives.com...
	10:02pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @9:58 Well, yeah. The problem is that prog musicians can't tell when their bombast isn't good.
	👻 10:03pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @10:02 Every band needs a close friend who can honestly tell the other members when their own shit stinks.
	👻 10:03pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:58 I am no prog expert, but I love Il Balleto di Bronzo, and I am proud to say I've seen Magma live. J.G. Thirlwell did a guest DJ set of his favorite prog and Zeuhl for Laurie Anderson once, great stuff.
	10:04pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @10:03 I have sympathy for the bombastic.
	👻 10:04pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:03 Magma can be a lot of fun.
	👻 10:07pm Arvo Zylo: Freeform radio doesn't reflect accurately my listening habits. I listen to so many different things, and the net is so widely cast, but generally I am trying to make a coherent set for young adults to make out in their cars in some lover's lane, perhaps overlooking Hollywood Hills. There is a lot of classical, drone, popular music, etc, that I don't play on the radio because it doesn't feel prudent!
	10:07pm Dean: I have to disagree with your "good the whole time" criterion. Long works per se demand patience, and they entail development beyond the typical three-minute pop song, with its verse verse chorus verse chorus bridge verse chorus structure. Part of the pleasure of a long work is precisely the exercise of patience and the focus of concentration, even on parts that don't directly satisfy an immediate taste.
	10:09pm Mr. X: ↳ Dean @10:07 Well stated, thank you.
	👻 10:10pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Dean @10:07 I listen to a lot of longer work for a lot of different reasons, and definitely lament my dwindling attention-span.
	👻 10:11pm Austin Rich: ↳ Dean @10:07 I'm not sure our points of view are particularly at odds with one another. I love long form audio that does require patience and concentration. I think a well-made songs can be VERY long, and will offer a lot of a patient listener. I think that not everything long achieves that quality, however. I do have a pretty long attention span, and prefer very long work. But if the artist doesn't have the chops, a long song will not work out for them.
	10:12pm Mr. X: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:07 So hanging around in the Zylosphere wouldn't necessarily sound like this?
	10:13pm JM in Texas: Speaking of Susan’s, RIP Susan Alcorn
	👻 10:15pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Mr. X @10:12 It depends on the day! I admire people that can have microscopic attention to a certain genre, but I tend to have to move around a lot. I don't tend to spend long amounts of time drifting through things I'm not entirely into. It becomes a "hit and run" scenario until I find something that unmistakably hits the spot.
	👻 10:18pm Arvo Zylo: I also admire people who can still do an entire set of tracks by artists that I have never heard of.
	10:19pm Dean: I agree that at most we have mildly divergent points of view. For me, though, attention span is not the worry, because even folks (like me) with feeble attention spans can find time now and then to imbibe, say, Bruckner or Feldman.
	👻 10:19pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:15 I get so much stuff from bands and artists via the radio station, and people who send me stuff directly (either via the mail, or electronically), and my own collection... I could never listen to it all. So I usually give a band a few songs before I dip out, or if it's a soundscape, several minutes before I decide if it's not working. I'll also return to stuff, because I know that mood has so much to do with first impressions. But I know that I already can't hear it all, so I have to have some sort of filter so I can even get to the things I might like.
	10:22pm Dean: Heh, the "20-second test," a regular occurrence in the '70s when my buddies and I traversed the LA County landscape of record stores, then returned home with our booty so vast that we could only devote 20 seconds to each album (I bet Il Baletto di Bronzo's Ys was one of them) to get a taste for them.
	👻 10:22pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Dean @10:19 I love Morton Feldman!
	👻 10:24pm Austin Rich: ↳ Dean @10:22 I have watched music directors at radio stations plow through a pile of albums that way, in 20 second bursts, to see if one of the 200 albums they got that week was any good. It's sort of like an experimental performance, in a way.
	10:26pm Mr. X: ↳ Song: "The Kitchen" by "Wendy Chambers" Everything you need to make music is in your kitchen!
	👻 10:26pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:24 I very much enjoy finding that one track on the CDR that I like, even though I don't like the rest of it. Makes me feel like a well-rounded individual!
	10:27pm Dean: Twenty seconds of Morton Feldman... I'm feeling a theme for a show coming on.
	👻 10:27pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @10:26 Including Dangerous Household Objects!
	👻 10:28pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Mr. X @10:26 Innit? I did enjoy that one a lot when I first heard it.
	👻 10:28pm Austin Rich: ↳ Dean @10:27 MX-80 used to have a piece they would play at live shows called "Black Feldman" that was a "noise jam" that would tie the end of one song into the beginning of the next tune. The transitions were usually not more than 30 seconds.
	10:30pm Mr. X: ↳ Song: "The Dance #3" by "Laraaji" I once played this during a a camping trip with some people who would have preferred country music. A few months later I was exiled from the group.
	👻 10:31pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @10:30 Edith Piaf is my go-to camping music, usually. But I could be convinced to listen to that Laraaji record on a camping trip.
	👻 10:31pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Mr. X @10:30 I listen to both kinds of music! The Decline of Country & Western Civilization!
	10:31pm Mr. X: ↳ Mr. X @10:30 Awhile back, Numero Group released a bunch of previously unreleased Laraaji albums.
	👻 10:32pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:31 That's a pretty strange (and great) movie joke.
	👻 10:33pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @10:31 I just need to sign over a percentage of every paycheck to Numero Group. They totally have my number, when it comes to their catalog.
	👻 10:33pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Mr. X @10:31 I love that label. WLUW used to have all of their CDs, and I cut my teeth at that station pouring through them.
	10:34pm Mr. X: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:33 I wrote the liner notes for one of their releases.
	10:34pm Dean: Another show theme! Labels I love. Nonesuch (duh), Arhoolie (ditto), but also Marston (I'm a subscriber), Water Lily Acoustics...and so forth.
	👻 10:34pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:33 Mr. X wrote the liner notes to one of their releases. The "Switched-On Eugene" electronic music compilation.
	👻 10:35pm Austin Rich: ↳ Dean @10:34 I will buy almost anything on Nonesuch. And it's usually worth it.
	👻 10:36pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:34 Wicked!
	10:37pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @10:34 They even paid me.
	👻 10:37pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Dean @10:34 I'm not remembering Marston or Lily Acoustics. I haven't thought about Arhoolie in a long time. They used to have a lot of that at WZRD.
	👻 10:37pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @10:37 It helps that you were making music in the scene at that time, and you even played with some of the artists featured on that comp.
	👻 10:38pm Arvo Zylo: Each creative act is a triumph against the forces of darkness.
	👻 10:39pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:38 It's the only thing that keeps me going anymore.
	👻 10:41pm Austin Rich: I meant to ask, Arvo: do you ever make any "G Rated" mixes? I'm helping Mr. Fab with a Saturday Morning show for Sheena's, and we're trying to keep it "clean" since kids listen to the show before it.
	👻 10:41pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "Let The Cold Winds Blow" by "The Turtles" It's VERY cold in the Mid-Valley, tonight. This song is very appropriate.
	10:42pm Kat in the chat: How cold is very cold in the Mid-Valley?
	👻 10:42pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:41 I very often make G rated sets. I can help you with that gladly. I haven't heard from Mr. Fab in a bit, but I'd be glad to help.
	10:43pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @10:41 The Turtles are underrated, and besides, they redeemed themseves by joining Zappa's band.
	👻 10:43pm Austin Rich: ↳ Kat in the chat @10:42 It's supposed to freeze / snow tonight.
	10:43pm Dean: Arhoolie is Chris Strachwitz's baby (RIP). He sold most of it to the Smithsonian. Marston is Ward Marston's transcriptions of very early 20th C. vocal and opera recitals. Kavi Alexander is proprietor of Water Lily Acoustics of Santa Barbara, CA. He started out strictly analog (with Sir Tim de Paravacini's stellar tube gear), but worked his way into digital with the Ry Cooder/Vishwa Mohan Bhatt disc. His LPs are scary real.
	👻 10:44pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:41 It's a cheerful little number!
	10:44pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Austin Rich @10:43 We're slated for "wintry mix" here tomorrow.
	👻 10:44pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @10:43 The Turtles are great. I think they sort of got lost in the mix of other acts that were huge in the mid-sixties.
	10:45pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Song: "Little Green Bag" by "George Baker Selection" I was fascinated by this record on the radio as a kid. I couldn't figure it out. I still can't.
	👻 10:45pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Dean @10:43 Duly noted! Thanks!
	👻 10:45pm Austin Rich: ↳ Kat in the chat @10:44 We're at ground floor / zero elevation, so for us to get snow isn't common. I'll believe it when I see it.
	👻 10:46pm Austin Rich: ↳ Kat in the chat @10:45 It's a pretty magnificent mystery.
	👻 10:47pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Kat in the chat @10:45 I had the Reservoir Dogs soundtrack when I was like 13 or so. I used to dance around my bedroom with it on repeat. I really know what you mean and I'm glad you said it, because I can't figure it out either. It's sort of like T. Rex making polyrhythms seem like 4/4 simplicity. Such a magical tune.
	👻 10:47pm Austin Rich: Mr. X: If you haven't heard from him already, Don Haugen was asking for your contact info. His office is now in Cottage Grove, and he figured ya'll should get some tea someday, or something.
	10:48pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Austin Rich @10:45 Philly just had its coldest January in 10 years, I've read. Last winter here didn't seem cold at all to me. This one sure has, so far.
	👻 10:48pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "Riv-Skf" by "Nun" I like the "KMFDM" design aesthetic to the cover of this album.
	10:49pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:47 Do you have the album? What's it like?
	👻 10:49pm Austin Rich: ↳ Kat in the chat @10:48 It's not just physically cold, though. There's something else in the air.
	10:49pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @10:47 Oh? I'll give him a nudge on social media.
	👻 10:50pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:48 I'm a fan of that aesthetic, but it does predate KMDFM, who were formed in 1984.
	👻 10:51pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:50 Oh, shit, I didn't even think about that! Of course this was first. Maybe KMFDM is copying them?
	👻 10:52pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "Journey to Mars" by "Jan Terri" This song is incredible. I love it. The guitar sounds like it's from a 1980's anime.
	👻 10:53pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "I'm A Freak" by "Wicked Lady" Total proto-punk! Listen to that riff!
	👻 10:53pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Kat in the chat @10:49 My mind wasn't blown by any of the other tracks, but if I recall correctly, George Baker Selection was basically blues rock, and I guess they did a covers album after that one. If you're talking about the Reservoir Dogs Soundtrack, I liked it. I am a fan of Tarantino, I think he has great taste in music. I also think Stephen Wright's performance as a radio host was influential somehow...
	10:54pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:53 Yeah, I meant the George Baker one. True one hit wonder, I guess.
	👻 10:55pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:53 The music in his movies is always above average. I don't like everything he's done, but on the whole, he usually has something interesting to say, even if I don't like the whole movie.
	10:55pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:53 I have very mixed feelings about Tarantino, but he does have a great ear.
	👻 10:55pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:51 I think KMFDM (and their cover artist BRUTE) were inspired by communist propaganda and noir comics. I was actually in touch with BRUTE (Aidan Hughes), and even paid him a deposit for a piece of art that was never completed, because it was just before the pandemic hit.
	👻 10:57pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Kat in the chat @10:54 Being played on American radio (being from The Netherlands) is no small feat!
	👻 10:57pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:55 Oh, that totally makes sense. I don't know them well, but I do recall seeing their albums and shirts everywhere in the late 90's / early 00's.
	10:57pm Dean: Some guy in a car heading north from Oakland toward Berkeley one night pulled up beside me and proclaimed, "Hey! You're Quentin Tarantino!" I do kinda look like him, but I also look like the guy in Taxi Driver.
	👻 10:58pm Austin Rich: ↳ Dean @10:57 I have been told I look like Joseph Cotton. I don't see it, but it's what I've got to work with.
	👻 10:59pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "High On Drugs" by "The Jabbers" I have never listened to anything by the Jabbers that wasn't with GG Allin. This ain't too bad. Is the whole record like this?
	👻 11:00pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:53 I'm glad you dig it! I am a bit reticent about playing metally stuff on your show, but I felt compelled...
	11:00pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @10:58 People kept telling me I look like some character frequently seen on the Letterman show, but I never saw enough episodes of Letterman to catch a glimpse of the guy.
	👻 11:01pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:00 I used to listen to a lot of metal as a kid. The right stuff and I go into a middle-aged nostalgia-coma.
	👻 11:02pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:59 The whole record is mostly Wimpy Rutherford, original singer of The Queers, on vocals. I like Wimpy, met him a few times, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you wouldn't like it because it's very much about sleaze and muscle cars and whatnot... as I recall.
	👻 11:02pm Heather Z: We're still rocking out to the excellent tunes! Thanks Arvo and Austin for a super fun listen tonight! We're staying tuned for the bonus mins, too!.
	11:03pm David Shortell: ↳ Mr. X @11:00 The only such character I can think of is Larry "Bud" Melman.
	👻 11:03pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Heather Z @11:02 Thanks Heather! So glad you came!
	👻 11:03pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:02 I love that first Queers record quite a bit. It's a lot of fun. Jeff Dahl is sort of a legend of sleeze rock.
	11:04pm Dean: I have to apologize, but I'm listening to Luisa Tetrazzini, recordings from the first decade of the 20th C. Quite a virtuoso, she.
	👻 11:05pm Austin Rich: The comments here for the Digital Salon might move to the bottom of the page, as we go into overtime. But we're still there!
	👻 11:05pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @11:03 I love that early Queers stuff so much!
	👻 11:07pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:05 I was thinking I should learn a few songs from that record, as it would be a good way to hone my 1164's sound.
	11:07pm Mr. X: Fantastic selections, Arvo! Thanks for the show! And thanks for hosting, Austin!
	👻 11:07pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Song: "Side A [Excerpt]" by "Scrap Metal Music" This is an example of longform material that I can play an excerpt of without feeling quilty about cutting it off. You can cut this off whenever, I think it's fun, but you don't need to play the whole thing. Thanks for having me and thanks to everyone for listening!
	👻 11:09pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:05 Many years ago, I came close to getting to meet The Queers / have them on the radio. We went back and forth with the person booking the tour for a while. Then we finally got a message back saying, "Change of plans, they won't have time. We'll try on the next tour." And that was the last I ever heard of it.
	👻 11:09pm Arvo Zylo: Fancy! I played Zabelle Panosian on Austin's show once. Turkish singer from the 1910s. Beautiful voice.
	11:09pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Song: "Side A [Excerpt]" by "Scrap Metal Music" How to endear oneself to one's neighbors :)
	👻 11:09pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:07 I'll let it run. There's no one on after, and curated material is always better than the computer automix.
	11:10pm Kat in the chat: Thanks Arvo! Thanks Austin!
	👻 11:11pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Kat in the chat @11:09 This is like catnip for me, I can listen to it for a long time without getting bored.
	👻 11:12pm Arvo Zylo: Stay warm everybody! Thanks again!
	👻 11:13pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:11 I think it does come back to the piece being interesting. I agree: I could listen to this all the way through. But there's something to it that's compelling. That said, not every person who bangs on sheet metal for 20 minutes will win me over. There needs to be something there.
	👻 11:14pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @11:09 I have seen The Queers, I actually only saw them because The Nobodys were opening. I liked them more. I like Wimpy's newer projects more than any Queers stuff post Wimpy, but I'm pretty picky about pop punk.
	👻 11:15pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:14 I do think those later Queers records are not as memorable. But I have some nostalgia for them, so in that way, they're fun for me.
	👻 11:16pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @11:09 I learned to engineer live bands at WLUW, but then there were noise complaints (my show went on after midnight), so I didn't have any drummers in the studio, just mostly line-in and headphone work. I admire people that were able to handle all that.
	👻 11:18pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:16 I was very lucky, because KPSU in PDX is in the Sub-Basement of the Student Center. (It's below the basement, essentially.) It's a concrete bunker beneath the city of PDX, so even at night, if a band was playing down there, you couldn't tell unless you intentionally went down to the subbasement. One of our DJs would host Metal Bands at 10 PM down there, and no one had any clue but us. It was sort of magical.
	👻 11:20pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "Side A [Excerpt]" by "Scrap Metal Music" I appreciate that you can hear people talking in the background of this recording from time to time, but you cannot make out what they are saying at all. Another mystery that will never be solved.
	11:21pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @11:20 I was wondering if that was someone outside my window, LOL.
	👻 11:22pm Austin Rich: This evening was better than facing the news, or our fascist government. Sigh. Thanks for helping me ignore reality for a couple hours.
	11:23pm Dean: Do you know Unsustainable Social Condition? I have a feeling that you do. https://www.discogs.com/artist/4475697-Unsustainable-Social-Condition
	👻 11:24pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @11:22 The news over here was especially rough today. It's not actually ignoring reality to ignore bad news. The media slant is not an accurate reflection of reality. The sad thing about human nature, is if there were a good news station, no one would watch it.
	👻 11:24pm Austin Rich: ↳ Dean @11:23 I'll have to check that out. I do not.
	11:25pm Mr. X: Reality is Mid-Valley Mutations on Tuesday nights! All else is irrelevant.
	👻 11:25pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Dean @11:23 I think it may have been you who pointed me to them last year. It had been a name that I never looked into prior. Yes, very good quality harsh noise. I was able to find their release on Phage Tapes.
	11:26pm Dean: Exactly, AZ. It's one guy. By my standards, he's over the top noise.
	👻 11:28pm Austin Rich: I think I might even have something else on Phage Tapes. Hmmmm. I'll have to start digging around in the archives after this...
	👻 11:29pm Arvo Zylo: Thanks again Austin and everyone!

Mid-Valley Mutations with Austin Rich: Playlist from February 4, 2025

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A combination of collage, new experimental records and other bits and bobs, Mid-Valley Mutations is a tour through the mind of Austin Rich, who has been broadcasting in some form since 1998. Heavily influenced by Dr Demento, Don Joyce and old fashioned College Radio, Austin creates Audio Essays on a variety of subjects, and even just plays records, from time to time. Sometimes Live music and Interviews will grace the program, helping create a situation where you don't really know what you're going to hear, when you tune in. What you need to know is when you enter the Mid-Valley region, be prepared for the Musical Mutations... in whatever form they take.

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Tue. Feb 4th, 9pm - 11pm: Arvo Zylo returns to the show for another mélange of musical maladies, traversing some uncharted territories of dark trap, rhythmic noise, Arabic-inspired metal, avant-electronic opera, and more.

February 4, 2025: Stereogram #10: For The Love of The Conundrum

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Approx. start time
Music behind DJ: Austin Rich	VO Intro Song "VO Intro Song" by "Austin Rich"				0:00:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Hour 1 "Hour 1"
Music behind DJ: Suno.com	Arvo Intro Music "Arvo Intro Music" by "Suno.com"	Mid-Valley Mutations	Mid-Valley Mutations	2025	0:03:58 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Otto Von Schirach	Pterodactyl "Pterodactyl" by "Otto Von Schirach"	Pterodactyl	Bermuda Triangle Records	2022	0:08:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
HᗗLFMᗗSSED	cantleaveheralone "cantleaveheralone" by "HᗗLFMᗗSSED"	downer	hexx 9 records	2017	0:10:45 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Exit Electronics	PISSHEAD "PISSHEAD" by "Exit Electronics"	believe anything, believe everything	avalanche recordings	2023	0:15:39 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Criadero en seres	nido de huellas	imposible rehuir esto	Self-Released	2015	0:21:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Ericka Irganon	Petite Otite "Petite Otite" by "Ericka Irganon"	Close To The Noise Floor Presents: Noise Reduction System (Formative European Electronica 1974-1984)		2017	0:23:18 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Dorit Chrysler	Avalanche "Avalanche" by "Dorit Chrysler"	Avalanche EP	hfn music	2012	0:25:18 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Pan Daijing	Phenomenon "Phenomenon" by "Pan Daijing"	Lack 惊蛰	Self-Released	2017	0:29:19 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
LYTH	We will not return into the sea	LORE	Self-Released	2022	0:33:08 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Jucifer	Return "Return" by "Jucifer"	ن ظ م (Nazm)	Nomadic Fortress Records	2021	0:36:20 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Pamelia Kirstin	Barrow in Furness	Thinking Out Loud		2007	0:41:32 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Eskaton	Eskaton "Eskaton" by "Eskaton"	4 Visions	Ad Perpetuam Memoriam	1981 / 1995	0:45:38 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Georges Aperghis w/ Ictus	Avis 1 "Avis 1" by "Georges Aperghis w/ Ictus"	Avis De Tempête	Cypres	2005	0:55:59 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Hour 2 "Hour 2"
DDAA	Ghosts Of The Paper Trumpets	Trax Test (Excerpts From The Modular Network 1981-1987)	Ecstatic	2017	1:02:43 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: De Pravity	Data Kikk I-IV "Data Kikk I-IV" by "De Pravity"	Untitled		1984	1:06:31 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Susan Campos Fonseca	Refugio "Refugio" by "Susan Campos Fonseca"	Anthology Of Experimental Music From Latin America		2023	1:09:05 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Esruk (Ben Wilkin)	Untitled (Excerpt)	Ice: Compilation Of Canadian Experimental Electronic Artists	Watergate Tapes	1988	1:13:12 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Wendy Chambers	The Kitchen "The Kitchen" by "Wendy Chambers"	Femirama	Munster Records	1986	1:21:03 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Laraaji	The Dance #3 "The Dance #3" by "Laraaji"	Ambient 3 (Day Of Radiance)	Editions EG	1980	1:26:28 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Deleted / C-Trik	Ronde Des Fous "Ronde Des Fous" by "Deleted / C-Trik"	Hopeless Dreams		1994	1:29:27 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Earth & Fire	Song of The Marching Children	Song of the Marching Children	Polydor	1971	1:31:37 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Sorrow	Let There Be Thorns "Let There Be Thorns" by "Sorrow"	Let There Be Thorns	Piski Disk Records	2001	1:36:34 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
The Turtles	Let The Cold Winds Blow	It Ain’t Me Babe	Repertoire Records	1965	1:40:28 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
George Baker Selection	Little Green Bag	Little Green Bag	Universal	1970	1:42:49 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Nun	Riv-Skf "Riv-Skf" by "Nun"	Neuronale		1983/2011	1:46:08 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Jan Terri	Journey to Mars "Journey to Mars" by "Jan Terri"	High Risk	JT Records	1994	1:48:27 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Wicked Lady	I'm A Freak "I'm A Freak" by "Wicked Lady"	Psychotic Overkill	Guerssen	1972/1994	1:52:05 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
The Jabbers	High On Drugs "High On Drugs" by "The Jabbers"	American Standard	Steel Cage Records	2005	1:56:59 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: The Brian Jonestown Massacre	Who Fucking Pissed In My Well?	My Bloody Underground		2008	2:01:35 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Scrap Metal Music	Side A [Excerpt]	Scrap Metal Music	Screwgun Music	1985	2:04:38 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Suno.com	Arvo Outro Music "Arvo Outro Music" by "Suno.com"	Mid-Valley Mutations	Mid-Valley Mutations	2025
Shadows In Blue	Mid-Valley Mutations Closing Theme	Mid-Valley Mutations Closing Theme	Mid-Valley Mutations	2024

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Listener comments!
	👻 7:47pm Austin Rich: Good Hello.
	👻 8:28pm Arvo Zylo: Mello Jello! Wavy Gravy! It's Time For The Percolator!
	8:38pm JM in Texas: Howdy
	8:53pm Imaginos: Ahoy
	👻 8:53pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ JM in Texas @8:38 Hi JM! Thanks for showing up!
	👻 8:54pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Imaginos @8:53 Greetings!
	8:55pm Imaginos: ↳ Arvo Zylo @8:54 Great to be here
	9:00pm JM in Texas: ↳ Arvo Zylo @8:53 Thx, looking forward to it! HeyHeyHey, Imaginos
	9:00pm Mr. X: Hey, gang!
	9:01pm Aitch: Conundrump
	9:01pm Geoff-U: Happy Tuesday! been a minute!
	9:02pm Kat in the chat: Hello Austin and Arvo and all y'all. I may not be in chat much but my ears are here!
	9:03pm Geoff-U: Attempting a new listening paradigm - Airpods on "Transaparency" mode since i'm making dinner 100% of the time this show is on haha
	9:03pm Imaginos: Nancy and Sluggo.
	👻 9:04pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Kat in the chat @9:02 Hi Kat! Good to see you! And Thanks all for coming by!
	9:05pm Imaginos: I use Suno, too.
	👻 9:05pm Austin Rich: ↳ Imaginos @9:05 I used it last time for Arvo's other "intro" music, so I thought I'd give it a shot again.
	9:06pm Mr. X: ↳ Song: "Arvo Intro Music" by "Suno.com" Rock Me, Arvodeus!
	👻 9:06pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Song: "Arvo Intro Music" by "Suno.com" Oh lord! I haven't been able to get anything useful from that site yet, but I didn't spend too much time on it. I tried to do a happy birthday song for a friend, but it kept spitting out R&B type stuff for some reason.
	9:06pm JM in Texas: ↳ Mr. X @9:06 !!!
	9:06pm Geoff-U: this is amazing
	👻 9:07pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @9:06 That's pretty great!
	9:07pm Geoff-U: Oh haha it's Suno
	9:08pm Imaginos: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:06 I've managed sea shanties, country, metal and rock and kids songs
	👻 9:09pm Austin Rich: I will do my best to get the song transitions between songs right this week, but I might need a little help from Arvo, now and then.
	👻 9:09pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Imaginos @9:08 I guess I need to investigate further. I tend to avoid AI music, but I do embrace AI art from time to time.
	👻 9:10pm Austin Rich: As a member of Human Dinosaur, I often dance like a Pterodactyl. But there's very little blood in my case, and I'm not much of a raging psycho.
	👻 9:10pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:09 I'm going to double check, but I thought there were some time notations in there somewhere.
	9:11pm Imaginos: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:09 I'm a lyricist by hobby and I enjoy listening to my words being put to music
	👻 9:11pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:10 I thought of this element after the fact!
	9:12pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @9:10 Batman had his Bat Dance, so we get to have the Pterodactyl Dance.
	👻 9:12pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Imaginos @9:11 I have enjoyed the bandcamp/youtube channel "Almost Vinyl". They make vulgar lyrics to soul songs created by AI.
	👻 9:13pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:10 This playlist didn't come with time notations, but we can work together on this.
	9:13pm Imaginos: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:12 Sounds like a fun channel
	👻 9:14pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:13 I know I at least noted something for the more experimental stuff. It might be in a word file, but not the PDF because I forgot to update the PDF.
	👻 9:15pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @9:12 I'm sure we can Rock The Dinosaur for a number of species. The Raptor Rhumba?
	9:16pm Imaginos: ↳ Austin Rich @9:15 Brontosaurus Bop
	👻 9:18pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:12 I have mixed feelings about AI art and music, since there are a number of complicated political arguments against / for it. Certainly if we want to go down that road, there are a number of other issues that are incredibly important, and I often feel like getting upset about AI art is a way of distracting people from more important issues. As a creative tool, it is limited, but it has uses, and I like the way that it offers access to some kinds of art making that some folks didn't have access to being able to make, before. So... yeah, it's a complex issue, before I bring in my love of Max Headroom...
	👻 9:18pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:13 You are correct. My memory tricked me into making myself look lazy. Sorry. Will make sure it is done next time.
	9:18pm Imaginos: Static
	9:18pm Geoff-U: I plugged the MicroGranny into the Digitakt and night before last and it made some very pleasant sounds similar to this
	👻 9:19pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:18 No sweat. I think this show will be pretty easy, for the most part.
	👻 9:19pm Austin Rich: ↳ Geoff-U @9:18 I do love the kind of noise you can get on a MicroGranny. It adds a very nice crunch.
	👻 9:20pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "PISSHEAD" by "Exit Electronics" I appreciate that there's still a beat under all the noise. I could see people dancing to this at a noise fest.
	👻 9:20pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:18 The art world as a whole has been the domain of rich kids and money launderers for a long time. I think AI art is a good way to flesh out my own ideas, but I rarely want to hang it on my wall.
	👻 9:22pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:20 Totally! (On the first count.) And I agree (On the second count.)
	👻 9:23pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:20 There is a subgenre called "Power Noise" which is mainly embraced by goth circles, because it is often just dance beats and distortion, but sometimes it can be compelling outside of just the faculty of danceability, and that is where my interest lies. I'm a little bit of an outlier, because I like loop-based experimental music more than more spacious or erratic sounds, but I don't like a lot of hip techno, so I have this very small middle ground area where I really appreciate the occasional bridge between those paradigms.
	9:24pm Imaginos: Getting sleepy. Good show, though.
	👻 9:24pm Austin Rich: ↳ Imaginos @9:24 I understand. Sleep well, and I'll see you soon online...
	👻 9:25pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:23 I've got some Power Noise records. When done right, I quite enjoy it.
	👻 9:27pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:23 There was a long-running experimental fest (that is no more, now) that had a rule against "beat based music" as one of their few "content" stipulations. I think it was mostly to keep out bands like were clearly not experimental, but it also kept out Power Noise and some other acts. Eventually, I started putting beats in the videos I was sending to them, and I never had them turned down.
	9:27pm Mr. X: Austin and I have occasionally made the observation that the current iteration of AI has very little to do with the original conception of what artificial intelligence was supposed to be.
	👻 9:27pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:25 I might do some more of that for you next season, if you like!
	9:27pm JM in Texas: ↳ Imaginos @9:24 Good night and good rest of the week, Imaginos
	9:28pm Geoff-U: ↳ Austin Rich @9:19 I find the MicroGranny unpredictable and difficult to control, so i'm definitely keeping it forever
	9:28pm Kat in the chat: For Later: Dorit Chrysler on Fabio's show last week www.wfmu.org...
	👻 9:30pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @9:27 "AI" is just a tech brand that you can slap on some new things you developed, and it will get a certain about of hits and reblogs because you used that brand. But it rarely has anything to do with creating something that has a kind of intelligence to it, for better or for worse. It's usually just new algorithms that do complex work that used to take much longer before, and now can be done quicker and more cheaply. Its more boring than you would think!
	9:30pm JM in Texas: ↳ Austin Rich @9:25 Speaking of, will 2025 see a MutationFest?
	👻 9:30pm Austin Rich: ↳ Kat in the chat @9:28 Oh, I need to listen to that!
	9:31pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Geoff-U @9:28 Nice review!
	👻 9:31pm Austin Rich: ↳ JM in Texas @9:30 I don't know. Maybe in the late Summer or Fall? I haven't thought that far ahead. It would be nice to do again, but I'm not sitting on a lot of live performances, like I was during the original Mutation Fest.
	👻 9:32pm Heather Z: Got two tuned in from Rochester NY! Loving the music so far and the intro track cracked us (me especially) up!! Glad there's bonus time tonight!
	👻 9:32pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:27 I know someone who played a fest like that a few times doing harsh noise, and then one time, they worked really hard on doing an alternate soundtrack to Blade Runner, which was still plenty experimental, but I guess that was the last time they played that fest. I think that may have been a bit too strict of an implementation, but I generally prefer actual noise to be performed at noise fests. Lots of proper musicians use noise fests to build up their confidence or what have you. I am personally supportive of noise fests maintaining noise. I've done noise fests where a rock band just came and played pop rock songs. Most of us went outside during that time. Maybe they initially claimed that they were noise rock. It's a genre plug that gets thrown around easily.
	👻 9:33pm Austin Rich: ↳ Heather Z @9:32 Nice to see you in the Salon tonight. Two bonus listeners! That's exciting.
	👻 9:35pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Heather Z @9:32 Hi Heather! Good to see you!
	👻 9:35pm Heather Z: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:35 Hi Arvo! You're rocking it tonight!!
	👻 9:35pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:32 Yeah, I think it needs to at least be experimental. And if it is truly a "noise" fest, then maybe keep it just to noise. But I think there's room for a lot of other kinds of experimental music, outside of the noisewalls and drones that seems to dominate most noise fests. I like it when you get something that the noise guys think is weird, but is still not rock and roll, or something more conventional.
	👻 9:38pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:35 I've definitely experienced overkill from watching 13 hours of noise sets three days in a row, but that included tape loops, samplers, amplified objects that could be discerned (not buried in distortion) and etc. I think curation is pretty important, but I'm generally just happy to play out of town to more than five people.
	👻 9:39pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:38 Yeah. Day three of a three-day fest, and I'm spent. I don't care how cool the final afterparty is, and what amazing act is gonna DJ at Midnight in someone's living room. I need to recover at that point.
	👻 9:40pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "Return" by "Jucifer" Was there a rock band called Jucifer in the late 90's / early 00's, or am I mis-remembering that?
	9:40pm Mr. X: ↳ Song: "Return" by "Jucifer" Sort of like Muslimgauze, but more filled-out.
	👻 9:41pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:39 I DJ'ed an after party for Neon Marshmallow fest, took a belt sander to some 78s in real time. Had a great bassy sound...
	👻 9:41pm Austin Rich: ↳ Austin Rich @9:40 No, I guess this is the band I was thinking of. They've been around that long.
	👻 9:42pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:41 Okay, that sounds pretty fun. But I can only stay for one drink, and then I REALLY need to sleep... (Six drinks later, and I'm DJing a set from what I can find on the ground at he party.)
	👻 9:44pm Austin Rich: I think that's the tour I was thinking of, when I remembered seeing Jucifer! I used to go see the Melvins any time they came to PDX when I lived there, and have seen them FAR TOO MANY times.
	👻 9:45pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @9:40 Oh, right. I forgot about that band. I need to check them out.
	👻 9:45pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Mr. X @9:40 I have to admit that I don't get Muslimgauze a lot of the time. The occasional ambient track is good. I would be very receptive to more Arabic-based metal and such.
	👻 9:46pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:44 I bought everything by Jucifer when I first saw them, they were so good! I still need to see them in their more nomadic/huge soundsystem conglomerate.
	9:46pm JM in Texas: I last saw Melvin’s in 2015, Le Butcherettes opened……haven’t heard anything about them in a minute.
	9:47pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Austin Rich @9:42 That last sentence made me laugh out loud, quite a mental picture there :)
	👻 9:48pm Heather Z: ↳ Kat in the chat @9:47 That's the party I want to be at!!
	👻 9:49pm Austin Rich: ↳ JM in Texas @9:46 I think they still tour and put out records, but they certainly go through leaner years, and then years where they are more popular. I feel like there was some scandal a few years back, during the first year of the Pandemic?
	9:49pm JM in Texas: Loving this Eskaton!
	👻 9:50pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Heather Z @9:48 The venue I DJ'ed at was also a hair salon! There were people getting their hair done as I DJ'ed! Government Alpha did an additional live set there that night, and we talked a lot.
	9:51pm Mr. X: ↳ Song: "Eskaton" by "Eskaton" The only 90s prog band that I can think of offhand is Ozric Tentacles. This sounds kind of like Gong to me, except faster and more precise.
	👻 9:52pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:50 I appreciate any place putting on a show that is NOT a traditional music venue. I think when you can get food and booze out of the equation, suddenly the show takes on a better and more interesting dynamic. I played a record store that was a lot of fun, and art galleries still stand out as the best places for experimental music. Though I think the vintage clothing store Mr. X and I played at last year was a lot of fun, too.
	👻 9:52pm Heather Z: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:50 I love it!! I wish they had a DJ at my hair place!
	9:52pm Mr. X: ↳ Mr. X @9:51 (And in tune, LOL.)
	👻 9:53pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @9:51 I still like Gong. They can get a little long in the tooth, but they are still fun.
	9:55pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @9:53 Always a danger with prog. I divide my prog playlists into songs less than 9 minutes long, and those over 9 minutes. I call them Prog Nog, and Prog Nog Epics.
	👻 9:57pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Mr. X @9:51 This was reissued from a 1981 release. www.discogs.com... Of "1980s prog" I tend to gravitate towards Dorian Gray, who were more considered Krautrock, but they satiate any prog itch I may have.
	👻 9:58pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @9:55 I went through a prog phase, when you could find King Crimson records for $2 at Goodwill. There's some stuff that's better than others, but I'm pretty picky, and not really a very deep or well-listened fan. Like with all music, if the song is long, it should be good the whole time, too. Otherwise... maybe it should be shorter?
	👻 10:00pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Arvo Zylo @9:57 www.progarchives.com...
	10:02pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @9:58 Well, yeah. The problem is that prog musicians can't tell when their bombast isn't good.
	👻 10:03pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @10:02 Every band needs a close friend who can honestly tell the other members when their own shit stinks.
	👻 10:03pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @9:58 I am no prog expert, but I love Il Balleto di Bronzo, and I am proud to say I've seen Magma live. J.G. Thirlwell did a guest DJ set of his favorite prog and Zeuhl for Laurie Anderson once, great stuff.
	10:04pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @10:03 I have sympathy for the bombastic.
	👻 10:04pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:03 Magma can be a lot of fun.
	👻 10:07pm Arvo Zylo: Freeform radio doesn't reflect accurately my listening habits. I listen to so many different things, and the net is so widely cast, but generally I am trying to make a coherent set for young adults to make out in their cars in some lover's lane, perhaps overlooking Hollywood Hills. There is a lot of classical, drone, popular music, etc, that I don't play on the radio because it doesn't feel prudent!
	10:07pm Dean: I have to disagree with your "good the whole time" criterion. Long works per se demand patience, and they entail development beyond the typical three-minute pop song, with its verse verse chorus verse chorus bridge verse chorus structure. Part of the pleasure of a long work is precisely the exercise of patience and the focus of concentration, even on parts that don't directly satisfy an immediate taste.
	10:09pm Mr. X: ↳ Dean @10:07 Well stated, thank you.
	👻 10:10pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Dean @10:07 I listen to a lot of longer work for a lot of different reasons, and definitely lament my dwindling attention-span.
	👻 10:11pm Austin Rich: ↳ Dean @10:07 I'm not sure our points of view are particularly at odds with one another. I love long form audio that does require patience and concentration. I think a well-made songs can be VERY long, and will offer a lot of a patient listener. I think that not everything long achieves that quality, however. I do have a pretty long attention span, and prefer very long work. But if the artist doesn't have the chops, a long song will not work out for them.
	10:12pm Mr. X: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:07 So hanging around in the Zylosphere wouldn't necessarily sound like this?
	10:13pm JM in Texas: Speaking of Susan’s, RIP Susan Alcorn
	👻 10:15pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Mr. X @10:12 It depends on the day! I admire people that can have microscopic attention to a certain genre, but I tend to have to move around a lot. I don't tend to spend long amounts of time drifting through things I'm not entirely into. It becomes a "hit and run" scenario until I find something that unmistakably hits the spot.
	👻 10:18pm Arvo Zylo: I also admire people who can still do an entire set of tracks by artists that I have never heard of.
	10:19pm Dean: I agree that at most we have mildly divergent points of view. For me, though, attention span is not the worry, because even folks (like me) with feeble attention spans can find time now and then to imbibe, say, Bruckner or Feldman.
	👻 10:19pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:15 I get so much stuff from bands and artists via the radio station, and people who send me stuff directly (either via the mail, or electronically), and my own collection... I could never listen to it all. So I usually give a band a few songs before I dip out, or if it's a soundscape, several minutes before I decide if it's not working. I'll also return to stuff, because I know that mood has so much to do with first impressions. But I know that I already can't hear it all, so I have to have some sort of filter so I can even get to the things I might like.
	10:22pm Dean: Heh, the "20-second test," a regular occurrence in the '70s when my buddies and I traversed the LA County landscape of record stores, then returned home with our booty so vast that we could only devote 20 seconds to each album (I bet Il Baletto di Bronzo's Ys was one of them) to get a taste for them.
	👻 10:22pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Dean @10:19 I love Morton Feldman!
	👻 10:24pm Austin Rich: ↳ Dean @10:22 I have watched music directors at radio stations plow through a pile of albums that way, in 20 second bursts, to see if one of the 200 albums they got that week was any good. It's sort of like an experimental performance, in a way.
	10:26pm Mr. X: ↳ Song: "The Kitchen" by "Wendy Chambers" Everything you need to make music is in your kitchen!
	👻 10:26pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:24 I very much enjoy finding that one track on the CDR that I like, even though I don't like the rest of it. Makes me feel like a well-rounded individual!
	10:27pm Dean: Twenty seconds of Morton Feldman... I'm feeling a theme for a show coming on.
	👻 10:27pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @10:26 Including Dangerous Household Objects!
	👻 10:28pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Mr. X @10:26 Innit? I did enjoy that one a lot when I first heard it.
	👻 10:28pm Austin Rich: ↳ Dean @10:27 MX-80 used to have a piece they would play at live shows called "Black Feldman" that was a "noise jam" that would tie the end of one song into the beginning of the next tune. The transitions were usually not more than 30 seconds.
	10:30pm Mr. X: ↳ Song: "The Dance #3" by "Laraaji" I once played this during a a camping trip with some people who would have preferred country music. A few months later I was exiled from the group.
	👻 10:31pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @10:30 Edith Piaf is my go-to camping music, usually. But I could be convinced to listen to that Laraaji record on a camping trip.
	👻 10:31pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Mr. X @10:30 I listen to both kinds of music! The Decline of Country & Western Civilization!
	10:31pm Mr. X: ↳ Mr. X @10:30 Awhile back, Numero Group released a bunch of previously unreleased Laraaji albums.
	👻 10:32pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:31 That's a pretty strange (and great) movie joke.
	👻 10:33pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @10:31 I just need to sign over a percentage of every paycheck to Numero Group. They totally have my number, when it comes to their catalog.
	👻 10:33pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Mr. X @10:31 I love that label. WLUW used to have all of their CDs, and I cut my teeth at that station pouring through them.
	10:34pm Mr. X: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:33 I wrote the liner notes for one of their releases.
	10:34pm Dean: Another show theme! Labels I love. Nonesuch (duh), Arhoolie (ditto), but also Marston (I'm a subscriber), Water Lily Acoustics...and so forth.
	👻 10:34pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:33 Mr. X wrote the liner notes to one of their releases. The "Switched-On Eugene" electronic music compilation.
	👻 10:35pm Austin Rich: ↳ Dean @10:34 I will buy almost anything on Nonesuch. And it's usually worth it.
	👻 10:36pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:34 Wicked!
	10:37pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @10:34 They even paid me.
	👻 10:37pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Dean @10:34 I'm not remembering Marston or Lily Acoustics. I haven't thought about Arhoolie in a long time. They used to have a lot of that at WZRD.
	👻 10:37pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @10:37 It helps that you were making music in the scene at that time, and you even played with some of the artists featured on that comp.
	👻 10:38pm Arvo Zylo: Each creative act is a triumph against the forces of darkness.
	👻 10:39pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:38 It's the only thing that keeps me going anymore.
	👻 10:41pm Austin Rich: I meant to ask, Arvo: do you ever make any "G Rated" mixes? I'm helping Mr. Fab with a Saturday Morning show for Sheena's, and we're trying to keep it "clean" since kids listen to the show before it.
	👻 10:41pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "Let The Cold Winds Blow" by "The Turtles" It's VERY cold in the Mid-Valley, tonight. This song is very appropriate.
	10:42pm Kat in the chat: How cold is very cold in the Mid-Valley?
	👻 10:42pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:41 I very often make G rated sets. I can help you with that gladly. I haven't heard from Mr. Fab in a bit, but I'd be glad to help.
	10:43pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @10:41 The Turtles are underrated, and besides, they redeemed themseves by joining Zappa's band.
	👻 10:43pm Austin Rich: ↳ Kat in the chat @10:42 It's supposed to freeze / snow tonight.
	10:43pm Dean: Arhoolie is Chris Strachwitz's baby (RIP). He sold most of it to the Smithsonian. Marston is Ward Marston's transcriptions of very early 20th C. vocal and opera recitals. Kavi Alexander is proprietor of Water Lily Acoustics of Santa Barbara, CA. He started out strictly analog (with Sir Tim de Paravacini's stellar tube gear), but worked his way into digital with the Ry Cooder/Vishwa Mohan Bhatt disc. His LPs are scary real.
	👻 10:44pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:41 It's a cheerful little number!
	10:44pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Austin Rich @10:43 We're slated for "wintry mix" here tomorrow.
	👻 10:44pm Austin Rich: ↳ Mr. X @10:43 The Turtles are great. I think they sort of got lost in the mix of other acts that were huge in the mid-sixties.
	10:45pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Song: "Little Green Bag" by "George Baker Selection" I was fascinated by this record on the radio as a kid. I couldn't figure it out. I still can't.
	👻 10:45pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Dean @10:43 Duly noted! Thanks!
	👻 10:45pm Austin Rich: ↳ Kat in the chat @10:44 We're at ground floor / zero elevation, so for us to get snow isn't common. I'll believe it when I see it.
	👻 10:46pm Austin Rich: ↳ Kat in the chat @10:45 It's a pretty magnificent mystery.
	👻 10:47pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Kat in the chat @10:45 I had the Reservoir Dogs soundtrack when I was like 13 or so. I used to dance around my bedroom with it on repeat. I really know what you mean and I'm glad you said it, because I can't figure it out either. It's sort of like T. Rex making polyrhythms seem like 4/4 simplicity. Such a magical tune.
	👻 10:47pm Austin Rich: Mr. X: If you haven't heard from him already, Don Haugen was asking for your contact info. His office is now in Cottage Grove, and he figured ya'll should get some tea someday, or something.
	10:48pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Austin Rich @10:45 Philly just had its coldest January in 10 years, I've read. Last winter here didn't seem cold at all to me. This one sure has, so far.
	👻 10:48pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "Riv-Skf" by "Nun" I like the "KMFDM" design aesthetic to the cover of this album.
	10:49pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:47 Do you have the album? What's it like?
	👻 10:49pm Austin Rich: ↳ Kat in the chat @10:48 It's not just physically cold, though. There's something else in the air.
	10:49pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @10:47 Oh? I'll give him a nudge on social media.
	👻 10:50pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:48 I'm a fan of that aesthetic, but it does predate KMDFM, who were formed in 1984.
	👻 10:51pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:50 Oh, shit, I didn't even think about that! Of course this was first. Maybe KMFDM is copying them?
	👻 10:52pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "Journey to Mars" by "Jan Terri" This song is incredible. I love it. The guitar sounds like it's from a 1980's anime.
	👻 10:53pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "I'm A Freak" by "Wicked Lady" Total proto-punk! Listen to that riff!
	👻 10:53pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Kat in the chat @10:49 My mind wasn't blown by any of the other tracks, but if I recall correctly, George Baker Selection was basically blues rock, and I guess they did a covers album after that one. If you're talking about the Reservoir Dogs Soundtrack, I liked it. I am a fan of Tarantino, I think he has great taste in music. I also think Stephen Wright's performance as a radio host was influential somehow...
	10:54pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:53 Yeah, I meant the George Baker one. True one hit wonder, I guess.
	👻 10:55pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:53 The music in his movies is always above average. I don't like everything he's done, but on the whole, he usually has something interesting to say, even if I don't like the whole movie.
	10:55pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:53 I have very mixed feelings about Tarantino, but he does have a great ear.
	👻 10:55pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:51 I think KMFDM (and their cover artist BRUTE) were inspired by communist propaganda and noir comics. I was actually in touch with BRUTE (Aidan Hughes), and even paid him a deposit for a piece of art that was never completed, because it was just before the pandemic hit.
	👻 10:57pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Kat in the chat @10:54 Being played on American radio (being from The Netherlands) is no small feat!
	👻 10:57pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @10:55 Oh, that totally makes sense. I don't know them well, but I do recall seeing their albums and shirts everywhere in the late 90's / early 00's.
	10:57pm Dean: Some guy in a car heading north from Oakland toward Berkeley one night pulled up beside me and proclaimed, "Hey! You're Quentin Tarantino!" I do kinda look like him, but I also look like the guy in Taxi Driver.
	👻 10:58pm Austin Rich: ↳ Dean @10:57 I have been told I look like Joseph Cotton. I don't see it, but it's what I've got to work with.
	👻 10:59pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "High On Drugs" by "The Jabbers" I have never listened to anything by the Jabbers that wasn't with GG Allin. This ain't too bad. Is the whole record like this?
	👻 11:00pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:53 I'm glad you dig it! I am a bit reticent about playing metally stuff on your show, but I felt compelled...
	11:00pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @10:58 People kept telling me I look like some character frequently seen on the Letterman show, but I never saw enough episodes of Letterman to catch a glimpse of the guy.
	👻 11:01pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:00 I used to listen to a lot of metal as a kid. The right stuff and I go into a middle-aged nostalgia-coma.
	👻 11:02pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @10:59 The whole record is mostly Wimpy Rutherford, original singer of The Queers, on vocals. I like Wimpy, met him a few times, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you wouldn't like it because it's very much about sleaze and muscle cars and whatnot... as I recall.
	👻 11:02pm Heather Z: We're still rocking out to the excellent tunes! Thanks Arvo and Austin for a super fun listen tonight! We're staying tuned for the bonus mins, too!.
	11:03pm David Shortell: ↳ Mr. X @11:00 The only such character I can think of is Larry "Bud" Melman.
	👻 11:03pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Heather Z @11:02 Thanks Heather! So glad you came!
	👻 11:03pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:02 I love that first Queers record quite a bit. It's a lot of fun. Jeff Dahl is sort of a legend of sleeze rock.
	11:04pm Dean: I have to apologize, but I'm listening to Luisa Tetrazzini, recordings from the first decade of the 20th C. Quite a virtuoso, she.
	👻 11:05pm Austin Rich: The comments here for the Digital Salon might move to the bottom of the page, as we go into overtime. But we're still there!
	👻 11:05pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @11:03 I love that early Queers stuff so much!
	👻 11:07pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:05 I was thinking I should learn a few songs from that record, as it would be a good way to hone my 1164's sound.
	11:07pm Mr. X: Fantastic selections, Arvo! Thanks for the show! And thanks for hosting, Austin!
	👻 11:07pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Song: "Side A [Excerpt]" by "Scrap Metal Music" This is an example of longform material that I can play an excerpt of without feeling quilty about cutting it off. You can cut this off whenever, I think it's fun, but you don't need to play the whole thing. Thanks for having me and thanks to everyone for listening!
	👻 11:09pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:05 Many years ago, I came close to getting to meet The Queers / have them on the radio. We went back and forth with the person booking the tour for a while. Then we finally got a message back saying, "Change of plans, they won't have time. We'll try on the next tour." And that was the last I ever heard of it.
	👻 11:09pm Arvo Zylo: Fancy! I played Zabelle Panosian on Austin's show once. Turkish singer from the 1910s. Beautiful voice.
	11:09pm Kat in the chat: ↳ Song: "Side A [Excerpt]" by "Scrap Metal Music" How to endear oneself to one's neighbors :)
	👻 11:09pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:07 I'll let it run. There's no one on after, and curated material is always better than the computer automix.
	11:10pm Kat in the chat: Thanks Arvo! Thanks Austin!
	👻 11:11pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Kat in the chat @11:09 This is like catnip for me, I can listen to it for a long time without getting bored.
	👻 11:12pm Arvo Zylo: Stay warm everybody! Thanks again!
	👻 11:13pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:11 I think it does come back to the piece being interesting. I agree: I could listen to this all the way through. But there's something to it that's compelling. That said, not every person who bangs on sheet metal for 20 minutes will win me over. There needs to be something there.
	👻 11:14pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @11:09 I have seen The Queers, I actually only saw them because The Nobodys were opening. I liked them more. I like Wimpy's newer projects more than any Queers stuff post Wimpy, but I'm pretty picky about pop punk.
	👻 11:15pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:14 I do think those later Queers records are not as memorable. But I have some nostalgia for them, so in that way, they're fun for me.
	👻 11:16pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @11:09 I learned to engineer live bands at WLUW, but then there were noise complaints (my show went on after midnight), so I didn't have any drummers in the studio, just mostly line-in and headphone work. I admire people that were able to handle all that.
	👻 11:18pm Austin Rich: ↳ Arvo Zylo @11:16 I was very lucky, because KPSU in PDX is in the Sub-Basement of the Student Center. (It's below the basement, essentially.) It's a concrete bunker beneath the city of PDX, so even at night, if a band was playing down there, you couldn't tell unless you intentionally went down to the subbasement. One of our DJs would host Metal Bands at 10 PM down there, and no one had any clue but us. It was sort of magical.
	👻 11:20pm Austin Rich: ↳ Song: "Side A [Excerpt]" by "Scrap Metal Music" I appreciate that you can hear people talking in the background of this recording from time to time, but you cannot make out what they are saying at all. Another mystery that will never be solved.
	11:21pm Mr. X: ↳ Austin Rich @11:20 I was wondering if that was someone outside my window, LOL.
	👻 11:22pm Austin Rich: This evening was better than facing the news, or our fascist government. Sigh. Thanks for helping me ignore reality for a couple hours.
	11:23pm Dean: Do you know Unsustainable Social Condition? I have a feeling that you do. https://www.discogs.com/artist/4475697-Unsustainable-Social-Condition
	👻 11:24pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Austin Rich @11:22 The news over here was especially rough today. It's not actually ignoring reality to ignore bad news. The media slant is not an accurate reflection of reality. The sad thing about human nature, is if there were a good news station, no one would watch it.
	👻 11:24pm Austin Rich: ↳ Dean @11:23 I'll have to check that out. I do not.
	11:25pm Mr. X: Reality is Mid-Valley Mutations on Tuesday nights! All else is irrelevant.
	👻 11:25pm Arvo Zylo: ↳ Dean @11:23 I think it may have been you who pointed me to them last year. It had been a name that I never looked into prior. Yes, very good quality harsh noise. I was able to find their release on Phage Tapes.
	11:26pm Dean: Exactly, AZ. It's one guy. By my standards, he's over the top noise.
	👻 11:28pm Austin Rich: I think I might even have something else on Phage Tapes. Hmmmm. I'll have to start digging around in the archives after this...
	👻 11:29pm Arvo Zylo: Thanks again Austin and everyone!

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