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Favoriting July 30, 2012: Radio Free Culture #2: Interview with Jonathan Sterne on the meaning of the MP3

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Listener comments!

  6:01pm
Matt from Springfield:

RFC!
  6:03pm
Danne D:

Hi Folks. Will kick back and listen (and work) now. Should be good stuff :)
  6:05pm
Danne D:

First there was the MPG. Nowadays the MP4 is all the rage. Nobody ever talks about the MP2 though.
  6:06pm
Matt from Springfield:

Hi Danne!
Coincidentally, this show is available as a podcast. You can later DL an mp3 about the mp3! :)
  6:07pm
Danne D:

And with that I learn more about MP2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-1_Audio_Layer_II

Still popular for audio broadcasting, actually.
  6:08pm
Matt from Springfield:

I've seen videos for DL at archive.org, that were in "MPEG-2" format--so is MPEG-1 Layer II substantially different then?
  6:09pm
Danne D:

I'd read the article Matt :) I am completely unqualified to listen to this show even :)
  6:12pm
Matt from Springfield:

@Danne: In fact, both are "lossy compressions", MP2 audio, MPEG-2 video.
  6:14pm
Matt from Springfield:

Hence the 44100 Hz standard.
  6:16pm
dvd:

so if mp3 codecs remove information, how is it an advancement?
  6:17pm
Matt from Springfield:

"Friedrich Hitler"?? Was that his REAL name, or was he some kind of artist??
  6:17pm
Danne D:

Probably a dumb question. As we get older, our range of hearing gets lesser (classic example is businesses using high-pitch frequency to chase teenagers away while not bother older folks). Do these differences come into play with how the compression works?
  6:20pm
Matt from Springfield:

Usenet forums and FTP links?--may have been the first P2P sharers.
  6:21pm
Danne D:

@dvd - the advancement comes in making it more portable. Kinda like space food was an advancement because it is easier to pack on a spaceship.
  6:21pm
dvd:

anyone here really hate mp3s, just can't stand listening to them?
  6:22pm
the glowing one:

dvd, just listen to what the man has to say.
  6:24pm
Matt from Springfield:

While there's a whole lot more audio information out there nowadays, the compressed, lossy formats have been compared to artwork at the Louvre--one original work (master recording), some high quality prints (vinyl), and a whole bunch of lower quality black-and-white prints found in books (mp3s/digital tracks)
  6:25pm
the glowing one:

listening tests can easily provide the proof that the claim mp3 always sound inferior is false
  6:27pm
Matt from Springfield:

The Old Codger needs surface noise in his hand-cranked recordings, just isn't music without it! :)
  6:28pm
Lulu:

Is it just me or is the audio on this gentleman's voice kind of going in & out a bit?
  6:29pm
the glowing one:

it's not just you. it's probably a telephone or skype interview. sounds like noise reduction going crazy.
  6:32pm
dvd:

if you have any questions for jonathan sterne you should call... 201-209-9368
  6:33pm
the glowing one:

I think this applies to all kinds of technology, small technical details can shape the society enourmously, often unexpectedly.
  6:36pm
paul m:

Regarding compression of data, don't forget the double helix!
  6:40pm
Danne D:

I remember when voice synthesis was the exciting technology coming on the horizon :)
  6:40pm
the glowing one:

yep, I got my first mp3s on a CD-R from a friend of a friend of a friend who had internet access at the uni.. :P
  6:40pm
Matt from Springfield:

RealAudio files, everything from pre-2008 in these Archives! :)
  6:45pm
Danne D:

:D Ken LOVED those .ram files ;o)
  6:45pm
dale:

interesting conversation about fidelity - especially since the guest keeps cutting out.
  6:46pm
the glowing one:

this is a very short hour :(
  6:52pm
Danne D:

@glowing one yeah :( but perhaps Jonathan will back again for a part 2 at some point :)
  6:52pm
Juan Rapido:

The interview is great, but the sound quality of this interview sucks. He keeps fading in and out. Stop using SKYPE -- it sucks! Very ironic how I'm having a hard time hearing Jonathan Sterne...use a regular phone line!
  6:52pm
Matt from Springfield:

Good point: physical manufacture of format created control and scarcity--now the cat's out of the bag and multimedia information is separated from format.
  6:53pm
the glowing one:

actually I think not the mp3 and file sharing is the exceptional case in music history, but the vinyl record was. vinyl records made monetization of music possible, a very odd thing actually.
  6:55pm
the glowing one:

in former times performers were paid directly by the audience, I think this will become the case again.
  6:55pm
Danne D:

@the glowing one - the sheet music industry may differ with you on that one ;)
  6:56pm
Matt from Springfield:

The 'Drix! Wooohooo!
  6:56pm
the glowing one:

the sheet music industry, yeah must have been a real behemoth
  6:57pm
Matt from Springfield:

Re: sheet music, I'll have to look up the year, but it's been stated as a critical shift in the music industry: when the record charts shifted from counting sales of SHEET MUSIC, to sales of RECORDINGS.
  6:58pm
the glowing one:

nice interview, but too short
  6:58pm
Danne D:

Great show guys :)
  6:59pm
Matt from Springfield:

Thanks everybody! Benjamen, Jonathan, "DVD"!
Will check in next month! (Aug 27, I think...)
  6:59pm
Matt from Springfield:

Have a good night folks!
  7:57pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Rappin' Rodney!
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