WFMU: This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from December 4, 2012

Listener comments!
	9:07am ffrr: Good morning. Your color scheme works splendidly with the artwork today.
	9:08am trouble: good morning ffrr! merci, I agree, but i just changed it because i thought it was hard to read...reality sets in already
	9:10am aaron in Jcity: AWESOME TRACK! and good morning!
	9:11am Adrian in London: Morning! And now it looks sort of pepperminty…
	9:13am βrian: A half moon and blue skies over the isthmus today. Good morning.
	9:17am trouble: hellos: adrian , aaron and brian! love that word 'isthmus'!
	9:23am Cheri Pi: Glitchy goodness madame Troubs <3
	9:28am Titus in GA: hello Trouble and to all Modern World comrades. Congrats to the Nation Of Fun on making n breaking the goal!!!
	9:29am Van in DC: Good morning trouble, sounding good on this end!
	9:31am trouble: hello titus, van! yeah we made it! long live wfmu
	9:42am mr no: My 21 week old daughter was strangely excited by that exhibit when we saw it this weekend.
	9:42am trouble: here's the link to the scandalous ken johnson review: www.nytimes.com...
	9:43am jamesie: enjoying TITMW on my new Hackintosh in a cleaned and scrubbed study.
	9:43am trouble: good to hear jamesie! waht did you do to create a frankentosh?
	9:44am trouble: mr. no: I can't wait to see it!
	9:45am jamesie: a week of misery struggling on and half the price but thank you www.tonymacx86.com!
	9:45am Marmalaqde Kitty: Hello Trouble!
	9:46am maja: trouble!
	9:47am Van in DC: Off to doctor, enjoyed the openings!
	9:49am trouble: greetings maja and marmalade kitty! tootles van. very cool jamesie!
	9:58am Titus in GA: throwing down the smooth jamz this morning. very nice, Trouble.
	9:58am sugarwolf: Hello..... Posting from a McDonald's parking lot, waiting for my coworker to get her car troubles fixed... Oh well more time to listen to wfmu!!
	9:59am artingu: this track is the greatest. hello from sweden!
	10:00am Priscilla: Sounds like an off-pitch Tom Verlaine, but nice
	10:02am trouble: good morning sugarwolf! that is very fine of you to sit in a mcd's parking lot for a co worker. but wfmu does make it better...hej do artingu!
	10:02am Gordon: Yay Felt!
	10:03am Cecile: I read the review, what was scandalous about it. he's not as versed in art history as he thinks - I believe that Southerners black and white made junk sculptures long before there was a Kurt Schwitters. And I can see some people being threatened by solidarity - women artists get this all the time. At least he was honest about it. I felt it was an honest statement.
	10:03am Adrian in London: Hey Troubs, correct me if I'm wrong but that wasn't Penelope Tree…
	10:04am Cecile: it was kind of refreshing.
	10:04am doca: hi trouble! hi all listeners!
	10:06am Cecile: it was pretty awesome. you guys deserve it.
	10:07am duke: I think cecile nailed it.
	10:08am Cecile: yeah, that was some really bad art history.
	10:10am Barbara Kruger: I Shop Therefore I Am.
	10:10am Cecile: Ok, he is kind of a dope hearing that. in context! And if you want to rag on "black artist copying white artists" techno came from Kraftwerk. And nobody questions it as a valid expression of African-American art.
	10:11am Cecile: Or black blues singers using the English ballad form as the basis for the blues.
	10:12am Cecile: Or jazz musicians interpreting Broadway standards. Ok, I'm done.
	10:12am Patrick: good morning trouble!
	10:13am Cecile: at least you know he's an upfront doofus. That can be helpful.
	10:13am ffrr: What, he's not allowed to have his opinion printed because a bunch of people disagree with it? Where's 'freedom of the the press' in that? Even A.O. Scott gets reamed for a positive review of 'Beware of Mr. Baker' because he's not a music journalist.
	10:14am Marmalaqde Kitty: Murdoch..
	10:15am trouble: hey patrick! we are all looking forward to your visit!
	10:15am r i s k y: Goodmorning Trouble!!! My office loves this!!!
	10:15am Susan: What about African spirit figures? Collage or assemblage, yes, those are Modernist art forms associated with specific white artists, but combining materials to make sculptural form is certainly a huge component of a much older African culture.
	10:17am Cecile: exactly, susan. And white modernists drew from African art for inspiration for pattern. Even Evan Jones had African patterns in his book
	10:17am Patrick: we cant wait! really looking forward to seeing the fam, and seeing Ann's piece. will you and Dj Icepack be able to join us for the talk on Saturday?
	10:17am trouble: adrian: that what it says on the pillows and prayers box. i don't know enough about felt to know all the titles, so i can't say
	10:18am trouble: patrick what time is it? icepack has fencing till noon
	10:18am Cecile: I have an Alvin Lustig book, and he was upfront on how the spirituality of all the word influence his designing. there are African-inspired elements and shape in much of his work.
	10:19am Cecile: and he was a modernist par excellence.
	10:19am tim from champaign: Wow. The statement about specific white artists inventing assemblage was a smack in the head. I'm no art historian but I bet in a matter of minutes I can find examples of assemblage that pre-date the artists who "invented" it. Then the rest of the article completely went to hell. Thanks for sharing this, Trouble.
	10:19am Patrick: saturday at 2. http://www.armoryonpark.org/programs_events/detail/artist_talk_ann_hamilton
	10:20am Adrian in London: Hmm, maybe I wasn't listening properly. I'm enjoying these bloopers…
	10:20am Susan: Picasso's reliance on non-European sources for inspiration is certainly well documented. I agree with Trouble; he's entitled to his opinion, but that's just bad history.
	10:20am Michael: Geez I had 2 of these Pardon My Bloopers discs I got from my aunt. Very thick vinyl I recall!
	10:20am Pablo Picasso: Good artists copy, great artists steal.
	10:21am Cecile: my favorite is "a man or a woman or a combination of both"!
	10:21am Cecile: exactly, Susan.
	10:22am dcp@: Pablo, I believe TS Eliot said that about poets..
	10:23am Titus in GA: killer transition from the Pardon My Bloopers to Spaceheads.
	10:23am trouble: patrick, sounds great! i will grab tix soon as i get off air
	10:23am Pablo Picasso: Yeah, I nicked it from him...
	10:24am sb: dear trouble, thanks for the delightful show as always. I rarely get to listen to it live these days, but your music selections and musings are always so enlightening. thank you!!
	10:25am dcp@: Nice work Pablo...
	10:26am dcp@: tomorrow evening is Krampusnact folks. Hope you have your scary masks, booze, and switches all ready..
	10:28am sugarwolf: I have a Krampus ring, I'm gonna wear it on the 6th (which is also my birthday!!)
	10:30am Patrick: great! about the Ken Johnson piece, what an ignorant asshole! while the likes of Picasso and Rauschenberg may have brought the art of assemblage to the forefront there is a century long tradition of assemblage in the African American artistic community. perhaps Ken Johnson has never seen a quilt or heard any improvised free jazz. if anything assemblage is so deeply rooted in the African American artistic tradition that it pre dates picasso buy 100+ years.
	10:30am trouble: thanks sb!! you get the live feeling of "what the heck do i play next"? it doesn't really translate in archive...
	10:31am trouble: bonne anniversaire wolf du sucre!
	10:31am Sometimes Jasmine: 'afternoon Trouble! Loving this groove. MMmmmmmm.
	10:32am tim from champaign: Now this is history done right! Jimmy Page and Robert Plant totally invented every lick in this song. Jimmy Page was totally justified in suing Schooly D for sampling "Kashmir".
	10:32am Patrick: alright time the get the Led out! maybe its a two for tuesday? remember the good old days of 102.7?
	10:32am trouble: patrick: but the nerve to say we can't understand the show unless we are black? wtf
	10:33am sugarwolf: Merci, trouble
	10:34am Cecile: what if the artists said that? would you have a different reaction? Some politically-charged art is like that. I didn't think anything I saw in the article or just Googling around made me feel that way, but maybe Mr. Johnson is kind of insecure.
	10:35am Cecile: nice! I love this song.
	10:36am Neg-guh-tor: Reading 'Trampled Under Foot' now. Led's first record took 30 hrs to record and mix! Page knew exactly because he paid for the whole thing!
	10:36am seang: this song is put to good use in the new movie, "Silver Linings Playbook"
	10:36am Jennique: Robert Plant is a prime study for Glottal Fry. (Learned that term from Diane's Kamikaze Fun Machine)
	10:36am Patrick: maybe he is projecting his own insecurity about the guilt he feels. who knows!
	10:37am Cecile: the whole thing? that's amazing.
	10:38am Neg-guh-tor: Damn, where's my bong?
	10:38am trouble: cecile: "It divides viewers between those who, because of their life experiences, will identify with the struggle for black empowerment, and others for whom the black experience remains more a matter of conjecture. Those who identify may tend to respond favorably to what those viewing from a more distanced perspective may regard as social realist clichés, like the defiant fist. "
	10:38am the Bam Man: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Q3zKfBRnI&sns=tw
	10:38am ffrr: Scott touts Baker as better than Bonham or Moon in his review, which is backed up from interviews in the film. This is what spurred the backlash.
	10:38am Cecile: yeah, maybe Patrick. and maybe not every expression of identity is akin to Mary Daly kicking guys out of her religion class. But a lot of people are like that. Too many, maybe.
	10:39am Neg-guh-tor: The whole thing! According to the engineer, "They were well rehearsed."
	10:40am Cecile: trouble, that could be women, Hispanics, the GLBT community, the disabled, any group that identifies or aligns with the visual "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more."
	10:41am Dee Snyder: Amen!
	10:42am Cecile: damn, negator. ffrr, they are all such different but great drummers that I think it's a matter of taste who is the best.
	10:43am dcp@: holy crap, what's going on here?? I had to reboot and missed all kinda controversy..
	10:44am Mike East: wow, whatta great cover!
	10:44am Cecile: I remember back in Marquette in the late 80s NPR airing an interview with KRS-1. I thought he was honest and respectful talking about the problems black teens were having. A young lady next to me said "He sounds like Minister Farrakhan! he is hateful!" some people get to complain, and others don't in a lot of minds.
	10:44am dcp@: ok, after the backhistoryread of comments...got it..
	10:47am Patrick: his use of the term beauty at the end of the piece is telling. in essence it seems like what he is doing is dividing the show into two camps, the work that he thinks has an element of beauty and the work that he struggles to understand, and instead of delving deeper and trying to make sense of the work that is difficult he is writing it off by saying at its core he cant understand it because it is not part of his tradition. thats really worrisome for a critic to say. isn't art supposed to be challenging and not reveal its self all at once?
	10:48am Cecile: There's room for both, Patrick, but if you are an art critic, I would hope you could appreciate both, y'know?
	10:49am Cecile: but there are as many lazy art critics as there are lazy music critics.
	10:50am Patrick: yes totally. maybe he is just a closet (or not so in the closet) formalist
	10:52am Cecile: nothing wrong with being a formalist. But at least show your biases upfront. You know like "I don't generally like bad 3-D insect fear flicks, but this changed my mind." Or, "it's not my cup of tea, but my friends who love bad 3-D fear flicks loved it."
	10:53am Andrew Waterloo: Hearing that LZ reminds me of how I've been able to memorize the songs just hearing them incidentally.
	10:53am Cecile: hell, even Roger Ebert does that.
	10:53am Cecile: Hell, even Roger Ebert does that.
	10:53am Marmalaqde Kitty: crawl out of the wood work to be picked off and eaten alive
	10:54am Susan: I was teaching an art history class at Baruch in the mid-90s & my peer reviewer was astonished that I discussed African art from a formal perspective. Of course, I taught the religious art of Europe from a formal perspective, too, but that's not shocking. There's this weird way of thinking that non-European art is all about use value or content rather than form. By extrapolation, African-American artists must be message senders rather than form makers or they're sell-outs. Goodness, what a really played-out argument...
	10:54am Cecile: that's sad. When I was a civilian, I used to read it and I saw loads of great exhibits.
	10:55am Cecile: ugh, susan, that sounds lousy.
	10:57am Faye: I am not matriculated anywhere in the world but I read the MIT Art Theory Journal "October" every day! It's the love of my life.
	10:57am Patrick: not Dave Hickey!!! he was my hero in undergrad! my favorite quote of his is that there "is a difference between tastes good and good tastes"
	10:58am Mark: Hello Trouble (loved writing that), What was the name of the Art critic that quit writing? Loved your comment, "no one reads Art criticism except gard students"
	11:01am Cheri Pi: Well said Susan! (I have an art degree)
	11:02am trouble: mark i was quoting dave hickey, he said that about his quitting writing galleristny.com...
	11:03am tim from champaign: I'm a huge believer in using empathy to create understanding between unique shared experiences that may not be my own. I used to be a social worker. I never experienced (nor probably will) what the clients I worked with have faced but I sure as hell could appreciate their experiences and understand how it shaped them. I try to apply that in other areas of my life. The "Dig This Art" exhibit would be a prime example.
	11:05am Jennique: Writing about blank is like dancing about blank.
	11:05am tim from champaign: I guess my point is I think it's possible to appreciate different shared experience through trying to understand and appreciate another perspective.
	11:06am Chris Burden: You nailed it, hah hah!
	11:07am tim from champaign: No, Chris, I think you nailed. Right into your arm, D'oh!
	11:09am Patrick: my other favorite Hickeyism is that "good art is supposed to make the viewer go 'Wow... Huh?' not 'Huh... Wow!'" and yes Tim i think you are absolutely right!
	11:10am Sigurdur: Sounding pretty awesome here in Iceland Mr DJ
	11:11am ffrr: Isn't it the job of the critic/reviewer to present enough information about the 'show' to allow the reader to decide whether they would like to attend said event. They don't necessarily have to agree it. That Johnny Keating was great T.
	11:11am Susan: I can be moved by a religious painting even though I'm not a believer. I can (unfortunately) all too well understand the concept of struggle. I took an undergrad class with Henry Louis Gates, Jr. and his position was that as long as race is the sole criterion, art of the 'other' will always be just that - the 'other.'
	11:12am Neg-guh-tor: I bought that Sun Ra Batman record about 6 years ago at the thrift store! I almost yelled in the store when I got it in my grubby hands!
	11:13am Neg-guh-tor: Of course, I have this remix cd from wfmu, too!
	11:16am trouble: thanks sigurdur!
	11:17am trouble: i am loving all the fab comments that crappy journalism piece has generated! go team!
	11:19am dcp@: yeah, I agree troubs. This is why I come here. My obsession with noisy awful music for the past 30 years kind of crowded out my art studies so I'm always learning something around here..
	11:20am Susan: ffrr: Of course it's okay to pan the exhibit; the problem, as I see it, with Ken Johnson's review is that he's not really talking about the show so much as he's presenting his opinion as to what should be considered art. In doing so, he makes up his own version of art history. It's a Fox News kinda thing.
	11:25am Cecile: dcp, I'm in the same boat. The stuff I've missed....
	11:27am peter: Jay De Feo show opens at the Whitney in Feb! Saw it in SF and it is Wow mas Wow fantastic!
	11:28am Cecile: I just learned about Lynd Ward, the famous woodcut graphic novelist five minutes ago! How did I not know about him?
	11:28am Susan: Oh, i want goat cheese stuffed dates wrapped with bacon!
	11:28am Cecile: I saw his stuff - I read the book bout the lighthouse and the bridge, and saw his pics for Johnny Tremain, but never put it together.
	11:29am Cecile: I second susan. num num. Angels on horseback!
	11:30am kwhitehead: Concur about the 90's. But once in a while I discover some great music from that decade but...it's few and far between.
	11:31am Cecile: there was a lot of great music in the 90s, but I missed a lot of it because the alt-rock and top 40 were so bad
	11:32am Cecile: I said to hell with it, and listened to jazz and GBV.
	11:33am dcp@: There was tons of great music in the 90s--there's always tons of great music. Hey, I just found out about Lynd Ward 5 seconds ago!!
	11:33am trouble: here's the link to the PS 1 show "now dig this" momaps1.org...
	11:38am Cecile: I think Ken Johnson's problem was that he thought some of the art work was too political or didactic for his taste, and he couldn't get it his thoughts out without insulting everyone in the room.
	11:39am trouble: angel olsen fans! did you see the bonnie prince billie video i posted on TITMW facebook page with angel on back up? www.facebook.com...
	11:40am Camille: Ken Johnson's comments were ridiculous, really...I think it speaks to, not only his own racist issues, but the decline of quality in or depth in the NYT. Johnson also made some insinuating remarks regarding the show "The Female Gaze: Women Artists Making Their World"...worth some scrutiny as well. He shouldn't be the voice for the NYT if the publication wants to keep its dignity in an arts dialogue.
	11:42am Titus in GA: Trouble, i have to depart. my laundry is calling. a wonderfully kooky set you gave us today. thanks and cheers;)
	11:45am trouble: you know it camille! trash will go into the trash not into hands if they keep this up
	11:47am kwhitehead: I know you hate it Trouble but I love the completely filled-in playlist. I volunteer to come in and do it for you next time the man requires it.
	11:47am Mark: Trouble Thank you! Great interview, love it: "Also, most writing about art these days is so bad that my secular readership has disappeared. Nobody but professionals and grad students even look at it. So no more e-mails from civilians, no more notes from John Updike or Steve Martin, no more crazy hipsters from Berkeley knocking on my door." http://galleristny.com/2012/10/dave-hickey-retiring-sort-of-interview/
	11:49am Cecile: wow, i did read that preview, and that was indeed kind of offensive. What is the "nature of art woman like to make"?
	11:49am Cecile: taps foot waiting for answer that will never come
	11:50am Neg-guh-tor: I'll always remember tuning into WFMU to hear Clinic's first live broadcast in America only to be interrupted by the attacks on the World Trade Center. According, to them they witnessed the whole event from backed up traffic on the BQE.
	11:51am Neg-guh-tor: I've seen them three times since live!
	11:52am Cecile: that's heavy, ne-guh-tor.
	11:52am Camille: ha! that's exactly the point, Johnson thinks that there is an answer to that. that's why he needs to ship out.
	11:53am ffrr: I can see how a certain faction of individuals would be upset about his review, but as a non-art historian/lay person I initially didn't find that much scandalous about the article. Sounds like a cool show to go check out.
	11:54am trouble: thanks kwhitehead, very sweet of you. tight space here at dj desk, another person wouldn't work. i just need the time to figure out what the heck to play next, or look for great links or respond to postings, not type for the man who can't find any of the unknown peeps anywho. you know oddities like frank zappa and todd rundgren, those types of indie musicians...
	11:54am Cecile: oh, I would be there if I was in town, ffrr. they had me at the bag lady piece.
	11:55am trouble: great show!! lousy writing...
	11:57am duke: I'm not undecided about this bobby boyd thing. I'm definitely voting for it.
	11:57am aaron in Jcity: bobby boyd congress - wonderful track
	11:57am Cecile: i dunno, duke, I'm kind of on the fence. ;)
	11:58am trouble: aaron thanks so much for the joe bataan link!! i was away and my phone was crappping out, i never even thanked you!!did you go?
	11:58am Mark: More about the petition regarding Ken Johnson reviews: http://blogs.artinfo.com/artintheair/2012/11/27/glenn-ligon-and-coco-fusco-among-hundreds-on-petition-criticizing-nyt-art-reviews/
	12:00pm Camille: these are both really great shows ffrr, the problem's not with the shows, it's with the writing about them..using the esteemed reputation of the NYT voice to relegate groups of artists (african americans, women) to lesser positions as art makers.

This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from December 4, 2012

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December 4, 2012: rustic and wood fired

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Comments	New	Approx. start time
eugene carchesio	6 "6" by "eugene carchesio"	circle music	room 40		*	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
S.y.p.h.	little nemo "little nemo" by "S.y.p.h."	4.lp	mig music	re-issue 1981	*	0:03:31 (Pop-up)
sky burial	carne(val) "carne(val)" by "sky burial"	there i saw the grey wolf gaping	small doses		*	0:21:04 (Pop-up)
antena	unable "unable" by "antena"	Camino del Sol	numero group	re-issue w/ xtra trax		0:25:27 (Pop-up)
peaking lights	lo hi "lo hi" by "peaking lights"	lucifer	mexican summer			0:29:02 (Pop-up)

horace andy	money money "money money" by "horace andy"	broken beats	echo beach		*	0:42:30 (Pop-up)
barbara morgenstern	spring time "spring time" by "barbara morgenstern"	sweet silence	monika		*	0:48:32 (Pop-up)
the avalanches	two hearts in 3/4 time/ avalanche rock	since i left you	sire			0:51:33 (Pop-up)
avery sunshine	i got sunshine "i got sunshine" by "avery sunshine"	norman jay presents good times 30	strut		*	0:55:09 (Pop-up)
felt	penelope tree "penelope tree" by "felt"	pillows and prayers vol 2 v/a	Cherry Red			0:58:05 (Pop-up)

none	side 1 "side 1" by "none"	pardon my blooper! vol 5	jubilee			1:11:37 (Pop-up)
spaceheads	eat the machine "eat the machine" by "spaceheads"	spaceheads	dark beloved cloud			1:21:38 (Pop-up)
georgia anne muldrow	kali yuga "kali yuga" by "georgia anne muldrow"	seeds	some otha ship			1:25:54 (Pop-up)
led zeppelin	you shook me/what is and what should never be	bbc sessions	atlantic			1:34:48 (Pop-up)
mark capanni	i believe in miracles	norman jay presents good times 30	strut		*	1:39:35 (Pop-up)
hollie cook	walking in the sand "walking in the sand" by "hollie cook"	hollie cook	mr bongo		*	1:41:28 (Pop-up)
richie havens	ooooh child "ooooh child" by "richie havens"	mixed bag II	polydor			1:45:23 (Pop-up)

le tone	bitter crop "bitter crop" by "le tone"	le petit nabab	mango disc/naive			1:55:02 (Pop-up)
brenda ray	please be mine tonight	wallatta	em records			1:58:31 (Pop-up)
land of the loops	fresh pond parkway	hurry up and wait	up			2:01:56 (Pop-up)
the delfonics	funny feeling "funny feeling" by "the delfonics"	the definitive collection	bmg			2:05:04 (Pop-up)
johnny keating	theme from sam benedict	the easy project v/a	sequel records			2:07:38 (Pop-up)
gaylord fields	batman episode 121: king tut bowls over the dynamic duo	WFMU Reinterprets the Music of Sun Ra: Interplanetary Remixes (V/A)	WFMU			2:09:56 (Pop-up)
mickey moonshine	name it you got it	the northern soul scene v/a	deram			2:15:09 (Pop-up)
brigitte	battez-vous "battez-vous" by "brigitte"	Le Pop 7: Les Chansons de la Nouvelle Scene Francais	groove attack			2:18:25 (Pop-up)
dan penn	the thin line "the thin line" by "dan penn"	the fame recordings	ace		*	2:22:42 (Pop-up)

el perro del mar	love confusion "love confusion" by "el perro del mar"	pale fire	the control group		*	2:30:13 (Pop-up)
joyce w/ nana vasconcelos, mauricio maestro	memorias do porvir	visions of dawn	far out recordings			2:32:49 (Pop-up)
jeanne moreau	j'avais un ami "j'avais un ami" by "jeanne moreau"	the immortal	él / Cherry Red			2:40:19 (Pop-up)
waumiss	this magical world "this magical world" by "waumiss"	subtle for flames	little ramona records		*	2:42:30 (Pop-up)
clinic	seamless boogie woogie bbc2 10pm	free reign	domino		*	2:44:20 (Pop-up)
phillippe petit & friends	eunoia "eunoia" by "phillippe petit & friends"	cordophony	home normal		*	2:48:01 (Pop-up)
bobby boyd congress	i'm undecided	bobby boyd congress	okapi	re-issue 1971	*	2:52:11 (Pop-up)
dan deacon	pretty boy "pretty boy" by "dan deacon"	america	domino		*	2:57:08 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:07am ffrr: Good morning. Your color scheme works splendidly with the artwork today.
	9:08am trouble: good morning ffrr! merci, I agree, but i just changed it because i thought it was hard to read...reality sets in already
	9:10am aaron in Jcity: AWESOME TRACK! and good morning!
	9:11am Adrian in London: Morning! And now it looks sort of pepperminty…
	9:13am βrian: A half moon and blue skies over the isthmus today. Good morning.
	9:17am trouble: hellos: adrian , aaron and brian! love that word 'isthmus'!
	9:23am Cheri Pi: Glitchy goodness madame Troubs <3
	9:28am Titus in GA: hello Trouble and to all Modern World comrades. Congrats to the Nation Of Fun on making n breaking the goal!!!
	9:29am Van in DC: Good morning trouble, sounding good on this end!
	9:31am trouble: hello titus, van! yeah we made it! long live wfmu
	9:42am mr no: My 21 week old daughter was strangely excited by that exhibit when we saw it this weekend.
	9:42am trouble: here's the link to the scandalous ken johnson review: www.nytimes.com...
	9:43am jamesie: enjoying TITMW on my new Hackintosh in a cleaned and scrubbed study.
	9:43am trouble: good to hear jamesie! waht did you do to create a frankentosh?
	9:44am trouble: mr. no: I can't wait to see it!
	9:45am jamesie: a week of misery struggling on and half the price but thank you www.tonymacx86.com!
	9:45am Marmalaqde Kitty: Hello Trouble!
	9:46am maja: trouble!
	9:47am Van in DC: Off to doctor, enjoyed the openings!
	9:49am trouble: greetings maja and marmalade kitty! tootles van. very cool jamesie!
	9:58am Titus in GA: throwing down the smooth jamz this morning. very nice, Trouble.
	9:58am sugarwolf: Hello..... Posting from a McDonald's parking lot, waiting for my coworker to get her car troubles fixed... Oh well more time to listen to wfmu!!
	9:59am artingu: this track is the greatest. hello from sweden!
	10:00am Priscilla: Sounds like an off-pitch Tom Verlaine, but nice
	10:02am trouble: good morning sugarwolf! that is very fine of you to sit in a mcd's parking lot for a co worker. but wfmu does make it better...hej do artingu!
	10:02am Gordon: Yay Felt!
	10:03am Cecile: I read the review, what was scandalous about it. he's not as versed in art history as he thinks - I believe that Southerners black and white made junk sculptures long before there was a Kurt Schwitters. And I can see some people being threatened by solidarity - women artists get this all the time. At least he was honest about it. I felt it was an honest statement.
	10:03am Adrian in London: Hey Troubs, correct me if I'm wrong but that wasn't Penelope Tree…
	10:04am Cecile: it was kind of refreshing.
	10:04am doca: hi trouble! hi all listeners!
	10:06am Cecile: it was pretty awesome. you guys deserve it.
	10:07am duke: I think cecile nailed it.
	10:08am Cecile: yeah, that was some really bad art history.
	10:10am Barbara Kruger: I Shop Therefore I Am.
	10:10am Cecile: Ok, he is kind of a dope hearing that. in context! And if you want to rag on "black artist copying white artists" techno came from Kraftwerk. And nobody questions it as a valid expression of African-American art.
	10:11am Cecile: Or black blues singers using the English ballad form as the basis for the blues.
	10:12am Cecile: Or jazz musicians interpreting Broadway standards. Ok, I'm done.
	10:12am Patrick: good morning trouble!
	10:13am Cecile: at least you know he's an upfront doofus. That can be helpful.
	10:13am ffrr: What, he's not allowed to have his opinion printed because a bunch of people disagree with it? Where's 'freedom of the the press' in that? Even A.O. Scott gets reamed for a positive review of 'Beware of Mr. Baker' because he's not a music journalist.
	10:14am Marmalaqde Kitty: Murdoch..
	10:15am trouble: hey patrick! we are all looking forward to your visit!
	10:15am r i s k y: Goodmorning Trouble!!! My office loves this!!!
	10:15am Susan: What about African spirit figures? Collage or assemblage, yes, those are Modernist art forms associated with specific white artists, but combining materials to make sculptural form is certainly a huge component of a much older African culture.
	10:17am Cecile: exactly, susan. And white modernists drew from African art for inspiration for pattern. Even Evan Jones had African patterns in his book
	10:17am Patrick: we cant wait! really looking forward to seeing the fam, and seeing Ann's piece. will you and Dj Icepack be able to join us for the talk on Saturday?
	10:17am trouble: adrian: that what it says on the pillows and prayers box. i don't know enough about felt to know all the titles, so i can't say
	10:18am trouble: patrick what time is it? icepack has fencing till noon
	10:18am Cecile: I have an Alvin Lustig book, and he was upfront on how the spirituality of all the word influence his designing. there are African-inspired elements and shape in much of his work.
	10:19am Cecile: and he was a modernist par excellence.
	10:19am tim from champaign: Wow. The statement about specific white artists inventing assemblage was a smack in the head. I'm no art historian but I bet in a matter of minutes I can find examples of assemblage that pre-date the artists who "invented" it. Then the rest of the article completely went to hell. Thanks for sharing this, Trouble.
	10:19am Patrick: saturday at 2. http://www.armoryonpark.org/programs_events/detail/artist_talk_ann_hamilton
	10:20am Adrian in London: Hmm, maybe I wasn't listening properly. I'm enjoying these bloopers…
	10:20am Susan: Picasso's reliance on non-European sources for inspiration is certainly well documented. I agree with Trouble; he's entitled to his opinion, but that's just bad history.
	10:20am Michael: Geez I had 2 of these Pardon My Bloopers discs I got from my aunt. Very thick vinyl I recall!
	10:20am Pablo Picasso: Good artists copy, great artists steal.
	10:21am Cecile: my favorite is "a man or a woman or a combination of both"!
	10:21am Cecile: exactly, Susan.
	10:22am dcp@: Pablo, I believe TS Eliot said that about poets..
	10:23am Titus in GA: killer transition from the Pardon My Bloopers to Spaceheads.
	10:23am trouble: patrick, sounds great! i will grab tix soon as i get off air
	10:23am Pablo Picasso: Yeah, I nicked it from him...
	10:24am sb: dear trouble, thanks for the delightful show as always. I rarely get to listen to it live these days, but your music selections and musings are always so enlightening. thank you!!
	10:25am dcp@: Nice work Pablo...
	10:26am dcp@: tomorrow evening is Krampusnact folks. Hope you have your scary masks, booze, and switches all ready..
	10:28am sugarwolf: I have a Krampus ring, I'm gonna wear it on the 6th (which is also my birthday!!)
	10:30am Patrick: great! about the Ken Johnson piece, what an ignorant asshole! while the likes of Picasso and Rauschenberg may have brought the art of assemblage to the forefront there is a century long tradition of assemblage in the African American artistic community. perhaps Ken Johnson has never seen a quilt or heard any improvised free jazz. if anything assemblage is so deeply rooted in the African American artistic tradition that it pre dates picasso buy 100+ years.
	10:30am trouble: thanks sb!! you get the live feeling of "what the heck do i play next"? it doesn't really translate in archive...
	10:31am trouble: bonne anniversaire wolf du sucre!
	10:31am Sometimes Jasmine: 'afternoon Trouble! Loving this groove. MMmmmmmm.
	10:32am tim from champaign: Now this is history done right! Jimmy Page and Robert Plant totally invented every lick in this song. Jimmy Page was totally justified in suing Schooly D for sampling "Kashmir".
	10:32am Patrick: alright time the get the Led out! maybe its a two for tuesday? remember the good old days of 102.7?
	10:32am trouble: patrick: but the nerve to say we can't understand the show unless we are black? wtf
	10:33am sugarwolf: Merci, trouble
	10:34am Cecile: what if the artists said that? would you have a different reaction? Some politically-charged art is like that. I didn't think anything I saw in the article or just Googling around made me feel that way, but maybe Mr. Johnson is kind of insecure.
	10:35am Cecile: nice! I love this song.
	10:36am Neg-guh-tor: Reading 'Trampled Under Foot' now. Led's first record took 30 hrs to record and mix! Page knew exactly because he paid for the whole thing!
	10:36am seang: this song is put to good use in the new movie, "Silver Linings Playbook"
	10:36am Jennique: Robert Plant is a prime study for Glottal Fry. (Learned that term from Diane's Kamikaze Fun Machine)
	10:36am Patrick: maybe he is projecting his own insecurity about the guilt he feels. who knows!
	10:37am Cecile: the whole thing? that's amazing.
	10:38am Neg-guh-tor: Damn, where's my bong?
	10:38am trouble: cecile: "It divides viewers between those who, because of their life experiences, will identify with the struggle for black empowerment, and others for whom the black experience remains more a matter of conjecture. Those who identify may tend to respond favorably to what those viewing from a more distanced perspective may regard as social realist clichés, like the defiant fist. "
	10:38am the Bam Man: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Q3zKfBRnI&sns=tw
	10:38am ffrr: Scott touts Baker as better than Bonham or Moon in his review, which is backed up from interviews in the film. This is what spurred the backlash.
	10:38am Cecile: yeah, maybe Patrick. and maybe not every expression of identity is akin to Mary Daly kicking guys out of her religion class. But a lot of people are like that. Too many, maybe.
	10:39am Neg-guh-tor: The whole thing! According to the engineer, "They were well rehearsed."
	10:40am Cecile: trouble, that could be women, Hispanics, the GLBT community, the disabled, any group that identifies or aligns with the visual "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more."
	10:41am Dee Snyder: Amen!
	10:42am Cecile: damn, negator. ffrr, they are all such different but great drummers that I think it's a matter of taste who is the best.
	10:43am dcp@: holy crap, what's going on here?? I had to reboot and missed all kinda controversy..
	10:44am Mike East: wow, whatta great cover!
	10:44am Cecile: I remember back in Marquette in the late 80s NPR airing an interview with KRS-1. I thought he was honest and respectful talking about the problems black teens were having. A young lady next to me said "He sounds like Minister Farrakhan! he is hateful!" some people get to complain, and others don't in a lot of minds.
	10:44am dcp@: ok, after the backhistoryread of comments...got it..
	10:47am Patrick: his use of the term beauty at the end of the piece is telling. in essence it seems like what he is doing is dividing the show into two camps, the work that he thinks has an element of beauty and the work that he struggles to understand, and instead of delving deeper and trying to make sense of the work that is difficult he is writing it off by saying at its core he cant understand it because it is not part of his tradition. thats really worrisome for a critic to say. isn't art supposed to be challenging and not reveal its self all at once?
	10:48am Cecile: There's room for both, Patrick, but if you are an art critic, I would hope you could appreciate both, y'know?
	10:49am Cecile: but there are as many lazy art critics as there are lazy music critics.
	10:50am Patrick: yes totally. maybe he is just a closet (or not so in the closet) formalist
	10:52am Cecile: nothing wrong with being a formalist. But at least show your biases upfront. You know like "I don't generally like bad 3-D insect fear flicks, but this changed my mind." Or, "it's not my cup of tea, but my friends who love bad 3-D fear flicks loved it."
	10:53am Andrew Waterloo: Hearing that LZ reminds me of how I've been able to memorize the songs just hearing them incidentally.
	10:53am Cecile: hell, even Roger Ebert does that.
	10:53am Cecile: Hell, even Roger Ebert does that.
	10:53am Marmalaqde Kitty: crawl out of the wood work to be picked off and eaten alive
	10:54am Susan: I was teaching an art history class at Baruch in the mid-90s & my peer reviewer was astonished that I discussed African art from a formal perspective. Of course, I taught the religious art of Europe from a formal perspective, too, but that's not shocking. There's this weird way of thinking that non-European art is all about use value or content rather than form. By extrapolation, African-American artists must be message senders rather than form makers or they're sell-outs. Goodness, what a really played-out argument...
	10:54am Cecile: that's sad. When I was a civilian, I used to read it and I saw loads of great exhibits.
	10:55am Cecile: ugh, susan, that sounds lousy.
	10:57am Faye: I am not matriculated anywhere in the world but I read the MIT Art Theory Journal "October" every day! It's the love of my life.
	10:57am Patrick: not Dave Hickey!!! he was my hero in undergrad! my favorite quote of his is that there "is a difference between tastes good and good tastes"
	10:58am Mark: Hello Trouble (loved writing that), What was the name of the Art critic that quit writing? Loved your comment, "no one reads Art criticism except gard students"
	11:01am Cheri Pi: Well said Susan! (I have an art degree)
	11:02am trouble: mark i was quoting dave hickey, he said that about his quitting writing galleristny.com...
	11:03am tim from champaign: I'm a huge believer in using empathy to create understanding between unique shared experiences that may not be my own. I used to be a social worker. I never experienced (nor probably will) what the clients I worked with have faced but I sure as hell could appreciate their experiences and understand how it shaped them. I try to apply that in other areas of my life. The "Dig This Art" exhibit would be a prime example.
	11:05am Jennique: Writing about blank is like dancing about blank.
	11:05am tim from champaign: I guess my point is I think it's possible to appreciate different shared experience through trying to understand and appreciate another perspective.
	11:06am Chris Burden: You nailed it, hah hah!
	11:07am tim from champaign: No, Chris, I think you nailed. Right into your arm, D'oh!
	11:09am Patrick: my other favorite Hickeyism is that "good art is supposed to make the viewer go 'Wow... Huh?' not 'Huh... Wow!'" and yes Tim i think you are absolutely right!
	11:10am Sigurdur: Sounding pretty awesome here in Iceland Mr DJ
	11:11am ffrr: Isn't it the job of the critic/reviewer to present enough information about the 'show' to allow the reader to decide whether they would like to attend said event. They don't necessarily have to agree it. That Johnny Keating was great T.
	11:11am Susan: I can be moved by a religious painting even though I'm not a believer. I can (unfortunately) all too well understand the concept of struggle. I took an undergrad class with Henry Louis Gates, Jr. and his position was that as long as race is the sole criterion, art of the 'other' will always be just that - the 'other.'
	11:12am Neg-guh-tor: I bought that Sun Ra Batman record about 6 years ago at the thrift store! I almost yelled in the store when I got it in my grubby hands!
	11:13am Neg-guh-tor: Of course, I have this remix cd from wfmu, too!
	11:16am trouble: thanks sigurdur!
	11:17am trouble: i am loving all the fab comments that crappy journalism piece has generated! go team!
	11:19am dcp@: yeah, I agree troubs. This is why I come here. My obsession with noisy awful music for the past 30 years kind of crowded out my art studies so I'm always learning something around here..
	11:20am Susan: ffrr: Of course it's okay to pan the exhibit; the problem, as I see it, with Ken Johnson's review is that he's not really talking about the show so much as he's presenting his opinion as to what should be considered art. In doing so, he makes up his own version of art history. It's a Fox News kinda thing.
	11:25am Cecile: dcp, I'm in the same boat. The stuff I've missed....
	11:27am peter: Jay De Feo show opens at the Whitney in Feb! Saw it in SF and it is Wow mas Wow fantastic!
	11:28am Cecile: I just learned about Lynd Ward, the famous woodcut graphic novelist five minutes ago! How did I not know about him?
	11:28am Susan: Oh, i want goat cheese stuffed dates wrapped with bacon!
	11:28am Cecile: I saw his stuff - I read the book bout the lighthouse and the bridge, and saw his pics for Johnny Tremain, but never put it together.
	11:29am Cecile: I second susan. num num. Angels on horseback!
	11:30am kwhitehead: Concur about the 90's. But once in a while I discover some great music from that decade but...it's few and far between.
	11:31am Cecile: there was a lot of great music in the 90s, but I missed a lot of it because the alt-rock and top 40 were so bad
	11:32am Cecile: I said to hell with it, and listened to jazz and GBV.
	11:33am dcp@: There was tons of great music in the 90s--there's always tons of great music. Hey, I just found out about Lynd Ward 5 seconds ago!!
	11:33am trouble: here's the link to the PS 1 show "now dig this" momaps1.org...
	11:38am Cecile: I think Ken Johnson's problem was that he thought some of the art work was too political or didactic for his taste, and he couldn't get it his thoughts out without insulting everyone in the room.
	11:39am trouble: angel olsen fans! did you see the bonnie prince billie video i posted on TITMW facebook page with angel on back up? www.facebook.com...
	11:40am Camille: Ken Johnson's comments were ridiculous, really...I think it speaks to, not only his own racist issues, but the decline of quality in or depth in the NYT. Johnson also made some insinuating remarks regarding the show "The Female Gaze: Women Artists Making Their World"...worth some scrutiny as well. He shouldn't be the voice for the NYT if the publication wants to keep its dignity in an arts dialogue.
	11:42am Titus in GA: Trouble, i have to depart. my laundry is calling. a wonderfully kooky set you gave us today. thanks and cheers;)
	11:45am trouble: you know it camille! trash will go into the trash not into hands if they keep this up
	11:47am kwhitehead: I know you hate it Trouble but I love the completely filled-in playlist. I volunteer to come in and do it for you next time the man requires it.
	11:47am Mark: Trouble Thank you! Great interview, love it: "Also, most writing about art these days is so bad that my secular readership has disappeared. Nobody but professionals and grad students even look at it. So no more e-mails from civilians, no more notes from John Updike or Steve Martin, no more crazy hipsters from Berkeley knocking on my door." http://galleristny.com/2012/10/dave-hickey-retiring-sort-of-interview/
	11:49am Cecile: wow, i did read that preview, and that was indeed kind of offensive. What is the "nature of art woman like to make"?
	11:49am Cecile: taps foot waiting for answer that will never come
	11:50am Neg-guh-tor: I'll always remember tuning into WFMU to hear Clinic's first live broadcast in America only to be interrupted by the attacks on the World Trade Center. According, to them they witnessed the whole event from backed up traffic on the BQE.
	11:51am Neg-guh-tor: I've seen them three times since live!
	11:52am Cecile: that's heavy, ne-guh-tor.
	11:52am Camille: ha! that's exactly the point, Johnson thinks that there is an answer to that. that's why he needs to ship out.
	11:53am ffrr: I can see how a certain faction of individuals would be upset about his review, but as a non-art historian/lay person I initially didn't find that much scandalous about the article. Sounds like a cool show to go check out.
	11:54am trouble: thanks kwhitehead, very sweet of you. tight space here at dj desk, another person wouldn't work. i just need the time to figure out what the heck to play next, or look for great links or respond to postings, not type for the man who can't find any of the unknown peeps anywho. you know oddities like frank zappa and todd rundgren, those types of indie musicians...
	11:54am Cecile: oh, I would be there if I was in town, ffrr. they had me at the bag lady piece.
	11:55am trouble: great show!! lousy writing...
	11:57am duke: I'm not undecided about this bobby boyd thing. I'm definitely voting for it.
	11:57am aaron in Jcity: bobby boyd congress - wonderful track
	11:57am Cecile: i dunno, duke, I'm kind of on the fence. ;)
	11:58am trouble: aaron thanks so much for the joe bataan link!! i was away and my phone was crappping out, i never even thanked you!!did you go?
	11:58am Mark: More about the petition regarding Ken Johnson reviews: http://blogs.artinfo.com/artintheair/2012/11/27/glenn-ligon-and-coco-fusco-among-hundreds-on-petition-criticizing-nyt-art-reviews/
	12:00pm Camille: these are both really great shows ffrr, the problem's not with the shows, it's with the writing about them..using the esteemed reputation of the NYT voice to relegate groups of artists (african americans, women) to lesser positions as art makers.

This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from December 4, 2012

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