WFMU: Tony Coulter: Playlist from November 18, 2014

Listener comments!
	11:54am Artie Haywire: Oh Hai!
	11:57am Tony Coulter: Heya, Artie!
	12:00pm Tony Coulter: ... and everyone else too!
	12:01pm Everyone Else: Not sure I can squeeze us all in. Please move in to the center of the auditorium!
	12:02pm Tony Coulter: It's everyone!
	🥁 12:03pm listener james from westwood: Howdy, Tony and all!!
	12:03pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Kevin's "Hymn" over here, and Pharaoh Sanders' "Astral Plane" on the main stream. What am I to do? Bifurcate?
	12:04pm the Canterbury wood-elf: "Astral Traveling", d'oh!
	12:04pm Tony Coulter: Hey ho, James and wood-elf!!
	12:10pm βrian: Oh-oh. With the new schedule, the Courtly Tone will have some competition.
	12:10pm Rich in Washington: Greetings, Tony! Greetings, everybodeez!
	12:11pm Brian in UK: Nice tank top and keys on belt. Oh where are my manners, carried away by the stylings on screen. Hello Tony.
	12:11pm Tony Coulter: Greets. Rich ... and βrian!
	12:11pm Tony Coulter: Heya, Brian!
	12:11pm Charlie: Hi Tony, everyone. I really like this new Utility Project album.
	12:12pm βrian: "Tank top?" Tell me this isn't a British-ism!
	12:12pm Tony Coulter: Charlie!!! I like it too!
	12:13pm Charlie: In Amurica we would call that a vest. But in England a vest is what we would call an undershirt. Am I right?
	12:15pm the Canterbury wood-elf: That's right. He's wearing a "V-neck pullover" (or "pully").
	12:15pm Tony Coulter: Figured i'd kick off today's show by putting you all in a deep depression....
	12:16pm Jeff Golick: Pretty sure the beat goes ...a mumumumu. Right? Hi, Tony C.
	12:17pm Tony Coulter: Hiya, Jeff G!!
	12:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...or 'jumper' for sweater?...
	12:17pm βrian: I know it as a sweater vest, which has unique iconic status. As for tank tops: www.google.com...
	12:18pm Tony Coulter: Ahoy there, Rev. Rabbit!
	12:18pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Yes, but you've got to distinguish between jumpers that button up (cardigans) and the ones you have to "pullover" your head. All a bit redundant now, everyone's in hoodies and fleeces.
	12:19pm Brian in UK: The name tank top was probably Seventies and does not deserve more than a milliseconds mention. I apologise.
	12:19pm βrian: Cardigan? It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood!
	12:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...only 'Mericans would come right out & say they're sweating in the thing, 'suppose...
	🥁 12:19pm listener james from westwood: "V-neck pullover" often called a sweater vest over in the US. A tank top in America is an undergarment, often used as outerwear, and also goes by a number of less kind names: www.thecelebarchive.net...
	🥁 12:20pm listener james from westwood: Rev: Which of course brings sweatshirts and sweatpants into the mix!
	12:20pm the Canterbury wood-elf: The hairstyle sported by the gent on our right has improbably come back into UK fashion in recent times. Young men all seem have elaborately swept over hair, looks very high-maintenance.
	12:21pm Brian in UK: Lack of turn-up on the kecks though. Hey the Canterbury wood-elf Remember Tilbury Kecks by Caravan (I think)
	12:22pm Artie Haywire: Geese. I hear geese.
	12:22pm Brian in UK: Blame Beckham for the hair. @james would wife beater be an appropriate name.
	12:22pm Charlie: A tribute to geese flying south for the winter? Or a humorous grim reaper?
	12:23pm Charlie: Getting back to the sweater thread (!): "Oompah, oompah, stick it up your jumper"
	12:23pm Brian in UK: Chap on the left is approaching comb-over.
	🥁 12:23pm listener james from westwood: @Brian: Not to me it wouldn't, but it's unfortunately taken hold.
	12:24pm the Canterbury wood-elf: @Brian, yeah they split up one of the longer pieces on Waterloo Lily and gave them all daft names (this was what you did in the 60s and 70s for publishing reasons, or something). Was there some trouser-related fashion in early 70s Tilbury of which you're aware?
	12:27pm Brian in UK: No, ever been to East Tilbury, it is how I imagine Eastern Europe in the Seventies. Shops with no goods on the shelves. Perhaps it was some import/export trouser related scam.
	12:29pm Brian in UK: @Charlie quite so. Not sure if I have said this but GREAT TO HAVE YOU BACK, OLD BEAN.
	12:31pm Artie Haywire: Desert boot style of moccasin-top shoes on the suited gent. Patent leather brogues on the vested fellow. I ask you, should they be better dressed were they to swap footwear?
	12:31pm Brian in UK: @james forfend that I should imply that nomenclature onto you.
	12:31pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Maybe it was one of those "let's swap shoes" joke photos : )
	12:32pm Brian in UK: Tidy Windsor knots on the ties though.
	12:33pm PMD: Yo Tony!
	12:33pm the Canterbury wood-elf: You're getting a lot of mileage out of this week's photo, Tony. BTW, Kevin pronounced his name more like "airs" than "ay-ers" (just one syllable).
	12:34pm Brian in UK: Like these flat syllables.
	12:34pm Tony Coulter: Yo ho ho, PMD!
	12:34pm βrian: Ties or lobster bibs?
	12:35pm Charlie: @Brain in UK -- Thanks, old bean, it's great to be back, in more ways than one.
	12:35pm Brian in UK: I presume this was taken outside an educational establishment.
	12:35pm Tony Coulter: @ Canterbury wood-elf: Never knew that about Kevin A.'s name, and I've been a fan for ages. Thanks for the pronunciation tip!
	12:36pm Tony Coulter: I'm keeping the depression going with this track....
	12:36pm the Canterbury wood-elf: @Brian Looks more like a village hall kind of scene to me. But they do have the awkwardness of 70s schoolmasters.
	12:36pm Artie Haywire: These are just the two persons you'd hope to be cast in the lead roles of "Hello, Dolly!".
	🥁 12:37pm listener james from westwood: @Brian: We cool. It's actually seen by some as a doubly fraught phrase: the surface term, and its frequent use for the garb of folks in lower income/rural areas, as an implied judgment of those in poverty (supposed tendency to violence, lesser intellect, etc.).
	12:38pm Brian in UK: James do you mean trailer trash?
	12:41pm Tony Coulter: What no one has pointed out is that mister sweater vest is HIP -- look at that pattern. All he needs to be a hippie is a headband and a clip-on pony tail.
	12:41pm Artie Haywire: Awww, he wouldn't hurt a fly - static.theredlist.com...
	12:42pm βrian: Hello Dolly was one of their productions, apparently.
	🥁 12:43pm listener james from westwood: @Brian: That's one of the groups to which the wife-beater term would be applied over here. In the NYC/NJ area, with our concentration of Italian American folks, the term (my apologies) "guinea T-shirt" is sometimes heard, perhaps diminishingly so. The makers of "The Sopranos" struggled with how to refer internally to this common wardrobe item on the show when planning out actors' ensembles.
	12:44pm the Canterbury wood-elf: @Brian, you were right. It's Mr. Beare and Mr. Garbut of Uxbridge Secondary School. Countless priceless photos of the actual production, programme, etc. here: http://www.uss100.com/3/miscellaneous11.htm
	12:44pm Brian in UK: And The Boyfriend?
	🥁 12:46pm listener james from westwood: I got burnt out on sweater vests b/c they were one of the options, along with a sport coat or suit jacket, for outerwear at Catholic high school. Also I am heavier now and would look like Mister Creosote in one. But I don't deny others the pullover. Far from it.
	12:46pm Brian in UK: Tony this choral puts me in mind of Hildegard of Bingen, 11,00 Virgins is belting (seriously)
	12:47pm Jeff Golick: @Artie: no; he would, though, eat a fly. youtu.be...
	12:48pm βrian: Hildegard who once chastened the bishop for not being sufficiently juicy? Gotta love that.
	🥁 12:48pm listener james from westwood: This and the last cut have been quite gorgeous. Coincidentally I am copyediting a book in the religious field.
	12:48pm Charlie: 1,100 virgins can't be wrong...
	12:49pm Charlie: agreed on the gorgeous factor of these two cuts
	12:49pm Brian in UK: Correction 11,000 Virgins.
	12:50pm the Canterbury wood-elf: They'd be even less likely to be wrong.
	12:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...'Atom Bomb Becomes Folk Art' - Wooosh !
	12:53pm Brian in UK: Good work Elf. I went to skool in Harrow, not far away. There was an American base at Ruislip. The PX there has such cheap goods. Had my first taste of Jim Beam Rye. Think it was 25 shillings.
	12:59pm Tony Coulter: Yes, wood-elf, I am impressed with your tracking abilities.
	1:00pm DCE: got so sidetracked I forgot what time and what day it was! hello all
	🥁 1:00pm listener james from westwood: I am now editing the first of five chapters in this book on how Satan lies to people about money and jobs. Pray for me.
	1:01pm Brian in UK: Great thing about the Stream, no hassle when the new schedule appears. @james is it fact or fiction.
	1:02pm Tony Coulter: Greets, DCE! You missed a great track by Sweater Vest & the Wifebeaters.
	1:02pm Brian in UK: Hey Tony, have you heard The Windcheaters new one.
	1:03pm βrian: When Satan wheres a sweater vest, nobody can tell he's lying.
	1:05pm βrian: BTW, does one use the term "windbreaker" in the UK, to refer to a light jacket? Windbreaker, indeed!
	1:09pm Tony Coulter: @ Brian: Never hoid of the Windcheaters, I'm afraid.
	1:11pm Brian in UK: no, not really. A windbreaker might be used at the seaside to protect you when sitting on the beach.
	1:12pm the Canterbury wood-elf: You're thinking of an anorak. Or a kagool!
	1:13pm Brian in UK: Oh Elf that's a spanner in the works.
	1:14pm Brian in UK: Windbreaker/windcheater same thing.
	🥁 1:14pm listener james from westwood: βrian: LOL! The Devil's greatest trick is to convince everyone that his sweater vest doesn't exist. Brian in UK: This guy is as earnest as a grenade. He's about to begin yammering about right-wing fast-food moguls.
	1:15pm βrian: I'd rather be known for cheating wind.
	🥁 1:16pm listener james from westwood: @Tony: If Sweater Vest and the Wifebeaters is gonna be played anywhere, it's WFMU. Sounds like a Pat Duncan track.
	1:16pm Brian in UK: Excellent, Le Petomane.
	1:16pm Brian in UK: Cannot hold a candle to you.
	1:17pm the Canterbury wood-elf: With this simple B&W photo as a starting point, I'm starting to realise what a weird culture I'm embedded in.
	1:20pm Brian in UK: Elf look how it has spread across the world. Skools are not what they were in the 60s/70s. We had respect for teachers then. Nowadays it is all 'I know my rights'. As Geldoff would say Bollocks.
	1:21pm the Canterbury wood-elf: i was thinking more about the bizarre names we have for items of clothing, but yeah, that too...
	1:22pm Charlie: Today's show is perfect accompaniment to editing my wife's dissertation.
	1:23pm Tony Coulter: @ Charlie: I can't be held responsible if you end up subtly changing her argument.
	1:24pm Charlie: We'll thank you on the title page, Tony.
	1:26pm βrian: @Charlie: Will it be open-access, once published?
	1:28pm Charlie: I don't know yet, @βrian. But it's quite a long way away. We're just working on the proposal, i.e. the first three chapters. Won't be finished for another year and a half.
	1:30pm βrian: Go forth and walk among the righteous of the open-access community! What's her field?
	🥁 1:33pm listener james from westwood: @Charlie: I look forward to seeing it referenced in a future editing project that crosses my desk. Hopefully as a full-on book!
	1:34pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Are we still listening to Ron Nagorcka? Powerful, moving sounds, whatever their origin.
	1:35pm Tony Coulter: @ wood-elf: Yep, still the same (great) piece.
	🥁 1:35pm listener james from westwood: @Canterbury wood-elf: Re; weird clothing names, I'm still trying to figure how how the shoe style "brothel creeper" got its name, aside from the obvious.
	1:37pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Well, our manifold friends over at wikipedia.org have this to say: "These shoes found their beginnings in the years following World War II, as soldiers based in the deserts in North Africa wore suede boots with hard-wearing crepe rubber soles because of the climate and environment. Having left the army, many of these ex-soldiers found their way to the nightspots of London wearing the same crepe-soled shoes and these became known as "brothel creepers". A soft crepe rubber sole makes almost no sound on a hard floor, unlike leather-soled shoes. However, the British Boot Company have suggested that the name creeper derives from and is an adaption of the word crepe." Always trust what the BBC tells you!
	1:37pm Kurt Gottschalk: glad to hear you giving nagorcka so much time, rony! it's a great record.
	1:38pm βrian: Some buy their rubbers in a crêperie.
	1:39pm Tony Coulter: Heya, Kurt! Yep, I'm very, very impressed with it too.
	1:40pm Brian in UK: I would imagine these shoes became the template for the Teddy Boys footwear. @βrian Rubber Johnny or nunky.
	1:40pm Dean: OED points to this early occurrence: 1954 G. Smith Flaw in Crystal ix. 81 ‘Poncing about the place in those brothel-creepers of his!’.. He always wore plush suede shoes. Google's Ngram shows a first appearance in the early '70s, which just goes to show you how limited Ngram can be.
	1:40pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Nunky? That's new to me.
	1:41pm Tony Coulter: Greets, Dean!
	1:41pm Dean: Ah, but "brothel - creeper" shows up on Ngram in '65!
	1:44pm Brian in UK: @elf do you remember The Navy Lark? The Jon Pertwee character had an uncle called nunky. No idea if it was related to said contraceptive.
	1:46pm steve: hey Tony!
	1:46pm Tony Coulter: Hola, Steve!
	1:46pm the Canterbury wood-elf: @Brian That was a bit before my time (well, I just about remember him as the Doctor, but the Navy Lark passed me by).
	1:47pm Brian in UK: Oh dear showing my age.
	🥁 1:48pm listener james from westwood: Crazy stuff on the etymology of that term. Thanks! Lido Pimienta: wow!!
	1:48pm Brian in UK: Better go cook some dinner, great wide ranging show today, Tony. As ever.
	1:49pm Tony Coulter: Enjoy your fortification, Brian!
	1:50pm Brian in UK: A man's home is his castle.
	1:53pm βrian: In the US, that means you can shoot anyone who walks in the door. God Bless Amurka.
	1:57pm Tony Coulter: I miss the days when you were only allowed to pour burning oil on them, from your parapets.
	2:02pm the Canterbury wood-elf: The main singer's period earnestness is quite sweet. Where'd you find this 197? album, Tony?
	2:03pm the Canterbury wood-elf: I said "main singer" cos you segued that so skillfully i thought it was the same track. "Genetic engineering? That's prophetic for 197?", I was thinking when the playlist reloaded.
	2:04pm Tony Coulter: @ Canterbury wood-elf: The Havenstreet thingee has just been reissued. The original, I imagine, is quite rare.
	2:14pm DCE: nice fuzzy action here TC
	2:15pm Tony Coulter: Thanks, DCE -- tho the fuzz just gave way to ducks. This track, btw, is video game music.
	2:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...great: all this Brit talk has me craving marmite !...well - there's none around here ...don't mind a bit of GaragePsych - no Sir...
	2:17pm DCE: ducks are fuzzy too
	2:20pm the Canterbury wood-elf: @RRN63 plenty of Marmite around here, will toast (heehee) you with some later
	2:21pm Charlie: I wish I had a parapet. I'd settle for a balustrade.
	🥁 2:23pm listener james from westwood: I rely on a series of machicolations.
	2:24pm DCE: this band is 2 cool!
	2:27pm Charlie: This program serves as a flying buttress.
	2:29pm Tony Coulter: ... or a bridge to nowhere.
	2:34pm Tony Coulter: Mr. Nagorcka and the birds return....
	2:36pm Dean: Is this architectural elements thread leading up to "Stairway to Heaven"?
	2:36pm northguineahills: I accidentally found myself on the BLT stream and got hooked a for a good while until I remembered to come back here a half hour ago. WFMU always has tough choices.
	2:38pm Tony Coulter: I can relate. When I became a vegetarian, BLT sandwiches were the only thing I missed. I'll have to add extra mayo to this show.
	2:39pm Tony Coulter: Greets, NGH!
	2:39pm βrian: Basil, not bacon.
	2:44pm Tony Coulter: The beet goes on....
	2:45pm glenn: five feet of snow in buffalo, everybody.
	2:46pm Tony Coulter: Hey Glenn! I hope you are more than 5 feet tall.
	2:46pm βrian: I was an adult before I understood beets. We've been together ever since.
	2:48pm βrian: Don't make fun, Tony. You can see he's lower case.
	2:48pm glenn: i am. plus i'm not in buffalo, so there's that.
	2:50pm βrian: Glenn Gould? Is that you? Toronto, right?
	2:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @TC: - there's 'Fakin' Bacon' yerknow...
	2:52pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Yeah, made by the same people who brought us "Cheatin' Chicken". Urg...
	2:53pm Tony Coulter: How 'bout Bullshit Beef?
	2:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - ah - they've gotten a lot better over time w/ the Soy stuff...
	2:54pm glenn: well, he's dead, but yeah.
	2:54pm the Canterbury wood-elf: I want to start a straightedge band called "Soya Hog Roast"
	2:55pm the Canterbury wood-elf: @Tony I suppose it would have to be "Bullshitin' Beef" to keep with the apostrophic theme.
	2:56pm Tony Coulter: See what you mean, elf. I do like Chinese soy fakerie -- so maybe I should try ersatz bacon one of these days.
	2:56pm the Canterbury wood-elf: "Bullshittin'", sorry (two t's). The best one, though, is just called "No Egg". Defined entirely in terms of what it isn't. It certainly isn't egg. Stay well awawy.
	2:57pm Tony Coulter: Then there's Crazy Mixed-Up Salt -- all herbal.
	2:58pm βrian: Speaking of, what's a three-letter word for a bird, that begins with "e?"
	2:58pm Tony Coulter: Emu?
	2:58pm DCE: rippin' today, man, good job! EMU
	🥁 2:58pm listener james from westwood: Smashing show as always, Tony! Gonna put on my brothel creepers and creep off. (Cue Scott Walker's "Next.") Thanks!!
	2:59pm Tony Coulter: Thanks for showin' up, everybody!! See you next week.
	2:59pm βrian: Curse you, James. Have mercy on us Wisconsinites!

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Approx. start time
The In-Theme	"The In-Theme"				0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Kevin Ayers	Hymn "Hymn" by "Kevin Ayers"	Bananamour	Harvest	1973	0:01:50 (Pop-up)
Don Muro	Overture (197?) "Overture (197?)" by "Don Muro"	Souffrances et Extases du Jeune Amour	Flannelgraph	2014	0:06:33 (Pop-up)
Utility Project	Dust "Dust" by "Utility Project"	#sadjacuzzi	Utility Project	2014	0:09:07 (Pop-up)
Triple Point	Filtered Reality "Filtered Reality" by "Triple Point"	Phase / Transitions	Pogus	2014	0:14:36 (Pop-up)

Havenstreet	Out of the Fireglow (1977)	The End of the Line / Perspectives	Sommor	2014	0:33:09 (Pop-up)
Martin Bresnick	Strange Devotion (2010)	Prayers Remain Forever	Starkland	2014	0:37:23 (Pop-up)
Pelle Gudmundsen-Holmgreen	Statements (1970)	V.A.: I Want to Live: Contemporary Works for Women's Choir [w/ The Crossing; cond. by Donald Nally]	Innnova	2013	0:43:44 (Pop-up)
Ron Nagorcka	To Be a Pilgrim (2006)	Atom Bomb Becomes Folk Art	Pogus	2014	0:49:06 (Pop-up)
Don Muro	Sky Music (197?) "Sky Music (197?)" by "Don Muro"	Souffrances et Extases du Jeune Amour	Flannelgraph	2014	0:54:29 (Pop-up)
The George-Edwards Group	Wondrous Child (1977)	Chapter III	Drag City	2014	0:55:38 (Pop-up)
Don Muro	It's Been So Long (197?)	Souffrances et Extases du Jeune Amour	Flannelgraph	2014	0:59:49 (Pop-up)

Ron Nagorcka	Atom Bomb (1977) "Atom Bomb (1977)" by "Ron Nagorcka"	Atom Bomb Becomes Folk Art	Pogus	2014	1:08:12 (Pop-up)

Lido Pimienta	Quiero Que Te Vaya Bien	V.A.: Musicworks #120	Musicworks	2014	1:45:03 (Pop-up)
Edip Akbayram & Dostlar	Birak Beni	Nedir Ne Degildir?	RE: Pharaway	1977	1:48:30 (Pop-up)
Cem Karaca	Nem Kaldi? "Nem Kaldi?" by "Cem Karaca"	Nem Kaldi?	RE: Pharaway	1975	1:52:29 (Pop-up)
Havenstreet	Aftermath (197?) "Aftermath (197?)" by "Havenstreet"	The End of the Line / Perspectives	Sommor	2014	1:56:40 (Pop-up)
Utility Project	Seed Pirates "Seed Pirates" by "Utility Project"	#sadjacuzzi	Utility Project	2014	2:01:39 (Pop-up)
Officer!	Go Back (1995) "Go Back (1995)" by "Officer!"	Dead Unique	Blackest Ever Black	2014	2:05:20 (Pop-up)
Unrelated Segments	Story of My Life (1967)	The Story of My Life	Guerssen	2014	2:08:51 (Pop-up)
Unsettled Society	Rainbows (1972)	17 Diamond Studded Cadillacs	Guerssen	2014	2:11:28 (Pop-up)
Playing the Music	Apollo Dux "Apollo Dux" by "Playing the Music"	V.A.: Musicworks #120	Musicworks	2014	2:14:37 (Pop-up)

Unsettled Society (as Thunder Head)	And I Need You (1974)	17 Diamond Studded Cadillacs	Guerssen	2014	2:22:28 (Pop-up)
The George-Edwards Group	Weeping Rock (1977)	Chapter III	Drag City	2014	2:25:26 (Pop-up)
Havenstreet	Suspended Animation (1977)	The End of the Line / Perspectives	Sommor	2014	2:28:13 (Pop-up)
The George-Edwards Group	Were We All So Young? (1977)	Chapter III	Drag City	2014	2:30:43 (Pop-up)
Ron Nagorcka	Just Bluffing for Quamby (2006)	Atom Bomb Becomes Folk Art	Pogus	2014	2:32:57 (Pop-up)
Triple Point	Gravity Wins "Gravity Wins" by "Triple Point"	Phase / Transitions	Pogus	2014	2:46:45 (Pop-up)

The Only Ones	The Beast "The Beast" by "The Only Ones"	The Only Ones	CBS	1978	2:52:14 (Pop-up)
The Out-Theme	Gelbart: My Favorite Vacation [part of] + Die Trip Computer Die: Airborn [part of]				2:57:54 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	11:54am Artie Haywire: Oh Hai!
	11:57am Tony Coulter: Heya, Artie!
	12:00pm Tony Coulter: ... and everyone else too!
	12:01pm Everyone Else: Not sure I can squeeze us all in. Please move in to the center of the auditorium!
	12:02pm Tony Coulter: It's everyone!
	🥁 12:03pm listener james from westwood: Howdy, Tony and all!!
	12:03pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Kevin's "Hymn" over here, and Pharaoh Sanders' "Astral Plane" on the main stream. What am I to do? Bifurcate?
	12:04pm the Canterbury wood-elf: "Astral Traveling", d'oh!
	12:04pm Tony Coulter: Hey ho, James and wood-elf!!
	12:10pm βrian: Oh-oh. With the new schedule, the Courtly Tone will have some competition.
	12:10pm Rich in Washington: Greetings, Tony! Greetings, everybodeez!
	12:11pm Brian in UK: Nice tank top and keys on belt. Oh where are my manners, carried away by the stylings on screen. Hello Tony.
	12:11pm Tony Coulter: Greets. Rich ... and βrian!
	12:11pm Tony Coulter: Heya, Brian!
	12:11pm Charlie: Hi Tony, everyone. I really like this new Utility Project album.
	12:12pm βrian: "Tank top?" Tell me this isn't a British-ism!
	12:12pm Tony Coulter: Charlie!!! I like it too!
	12:13pm Charlie: In Amurica we would call that a vest. But in England a vest is what we would call an undershirt. Am I right?
	12:15pm the Canterbury wood-elf: That's right. He's wearing a "V-neck pullover" (or "pully").
	12:15pm Tony Coulter: Figured i'd kick off today's show by putting you all in a deep depression....
	12:16pm Jeff Golick: Pretty sure the beat goes ...a mumumumu. Right? Hi, Tony C.
	12:17pm Tony Coulter: Hiya, Jeff G!!
	12:17pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...or 'jumper' for sweater?...
	12:17pm βrian: I know it as a sweater vest, which has unique iconic status. As for tank tops: www.google.com...
	12:18pm Tony Coulter: Ahoy there, Rev. Rabbit!
	12:18pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Yes, but you've got to distinguish between jumpers that button up (cardigans) and the ones you have to "pullover" your head. All a bit redundant now, everyone's in hoodies and fleeces.
	12:19pm Brian in UK: The name tank top was probably Seventies and does not deserve more than a milliseconds mention. I apologise.
	12:19pm βrian: Cardigan? It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood!
	12:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...only 'Mericans would come right out & say they're sweating in the thing, 'suppose...
	🥁 12:19pm listener james from westwood: "V-neck pullover" often called a sweater vest over in the US. A tank top in America is an undergarment, often used as outerwear, and also goes by a number of less kind names: www.thecelebarchive.net...
	🥁 12:20pm listener james from westwood: Rev: Which of course brings sweatshirts and sweatpants into the mix!
	12:20pm the Canterbury wood-elf: The hairstyle sported by the gent on our right has improbably come back into UK fashion in recent times. Young men all seem have elaborately swept over hair, looks very high-maintenance.
	12:21pm Brian in UK: Lack of turn-up on the kecks though. Hey the Canterbury wood-elf Remember Tilbury Kecks by Caravan (I think)
	12:22pm Artie Haywire: Geese. I hear geese.
	12:22pm Brian in UK: Blame Beckham for the hair. @james would wife beater be an appropriate name.
	12:22pm Charlie: A tribute to geese flying south for the winter? Or a humorous grim reaper?
	12:23pm Charlie: Getting back to the sweater thread (!): "Oompah, oompah, stick it up your jumper"
	12:23pm Brian in UK: Chap on the left is approaching comb-over.
	🥁 12:23pm listener james from westwood: @Brian: Not to me it wouldn't, but it's unfortunately taken hold.
	12:24pm the Canterbury wood-elf: @Brian, yeah they split up one of the longer pieces on Waterloo Lily and gave them all daft names (this was what you did in the 60s and 70s for publishing reasons, or something). Was there some trouser-related fashion in early 70s Tilbury of which you're aware?
	12:27pm Brian in UK: No, ever been to East Tilbury, it is how I imagine Eastern Europe in the Seventies. Shops with no goods on the shelves. Perhaps it was some import/export trouser related scam.
	12:29pm Brian in UK: @Charlie quite so. Not sure if I have said this but GREAT TO HAVE YOU BACK, OLD BEAN.
	12:31pm Artie Haywire: Desert boot style of moccasin-top shoes on the suited gent. Patent leather brogues on the vested fellow. I ask you, should they be better dressed were they to swap footwear?
	12:31pm Brian in UK: @james forfend that I should imply that nomenclature onto you.
	12:31pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Maybe it was one of those "let's swap shoes" joke photos : )
	12:32pm Brian in UK: Tidy Windsor knots on the ties though.
	12:33pm PMD: Yo Tony!
	12:33pm the Canterbury wood-elf: You're getting a lot of mileage out of this week's photo, Tony. BTW, Kevin pronounced his name more like "airs" than "ay-ers" (just one syllable).
	12:34pm Brian in UK: Like these flat syllables.
	12:34pm Tony Coulter: Yo ho ho, PMD!
	12:34pm βrian: Ties or lobster bibs?
	12:35pm Charlie: @Brain in UK -- Thanks, old bean, it's great to be back, in more ways than one.
	12:35pm Brian in UK: I presume this was taken outside an educational establishment.
	12:35pm Tony Coulter: @ Canterbury wood-elf: Never knew that about Kevin A.'s name, and I've been a fan for ages. Thanks for the pronunciation tip!
	12:36pm Tony Coulter: I'm keeping the depression going with this track....
	12:36pm the Canterbury wood-elf: @Brian Looks more like a village hall kind of scene to me. But they do have the awkwardness of 70s schoolmasters.
	12:36pm Artie Haywire: These are just the two persons you'd hope to be cast in the lead roles of "Hello, Dolly!".
	🥁 12:37pm listener james from westwood: @Brian: We cool. It's actually seen by some as a doubly fraught phrase: the surface term, and its frequent use for the garb of folks in lower income/rural areas, as an implied judgment of those in poverty (supposed tendency to violence, lesser intellect, etc.).
	12:38pm Brian in UK: James do you mean trailer trash?
	12:41pm Tony Coulter: What no one has pointed out is that mister sweater vest is HIP -- look at that pattern. All he needs to be a hippie is a headband and a clip-on pony tail.
	12:41pm Artie Haywire: Awww, he wouldn't hurt a fly - static.theredlist.com...
	12:42pm βrian: Hello Dolly was one of their productions, apparently.
	🥁 12:43pm listener james from westwood: @Brian: That's one of the groups to which the wife-beater term would be applied over here. In the NYC/NJ area, with our concentration of Italian American folks, the term (my apologies) "guinea T-shirt" is sometimes heard, perhaps diminishingly so. The makers of "The Sopranos" struggled with how to refer internally to this common wardrobe item on the show when planning out actors' ensembles.
	12:44pm the Canterbury wood-elf: @Brian, you were right. It's Mr. Beare and Mr. Garbut of Uxbridge Secondary School. Countless priceless photos of the actual production, programme, etc. here: http://www.uss100.com/3/miscellaneous11.htm
	12:44pm Brian in UK: And The Boyfriend?
	🥁 12:46pm listener james from westwood: I got burnt out on sweater vests b/c they were one of the options, along with a sport coat or suit jacket, for outerwear at Catholic high school. Also I am heavier now and would look like Mister Creosote in one. But I don't deny others the pullover. Far from it.
	12:46pm Brian in UK: Tony this choral puts me in mind of Hildegard of Bingen, 11,00 Virgins is belting (seriously)
	12:47pm Jeff Golick: @Artie: no; he would, though, eat a fly. youtu.be...
	12:48pm βrian: Hildegard who once chastened the bishop for not being sufficiently juicy? Gotta love that.
	🥁 12:48pm listener james from westwood: This and the last cut have been quite gorgeous. Coincidentally I am copyediting a book in the religious field.
	12:48pm Charlie: 1,100 virgins can't be wrong...
	12:49pm Charlie: agreed on the gorgeous factor of these two cuts
	12:49pm Brian in UK: Correction 11,000 Virgins.
	12:50pm the Canterbury wood-elf: They'd be even less likely to be wrong.
	12:51pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...'Atom Bomb Becomes Folk Art' - Wooosh !
	12:53pm Brian in UK: Good work Elf. I went to skool in Harrow, not far away. There was an American base at Ruislip. The PX there has such cheap goods. Had my first taste of Jim Beam Rye. Think it was 25 shillings.
	12:59pm Tony Coulter: Yes, wood-elf, I am impressed with your tracking abilities.
	1:00pm DCE: got so sidetracked I forgot what time and what day it was! hello all
	🥁 1:00pm listener james from westwood: I am now editing the first of five chapters in this book on how Satan lies to people about money and jobs. Pray for me.
	1:01pm Brian in UK: Great thing about the Stream, no hassle when the new schedule appears. @james is it fact or fiction.
	1:02pm Tony Coulter: Greets, DCE! You missed a great track by Sweater Vest & the Wifebeaters.
	1:02pm Brian in UK: Hey Tony, have you heard The Windcheaters new one.
	1:03pm βrian: When Satan wheres a sweater vest, nobody can tell he's lying.
	1:05pm βrian: BTW, does one use the term "windbreaker" in the UK, to refer to a light jacket? Windbreaker, indeed!
	1:09pm Tony Coulter: @ Brian: Never hoid of the Windcheaters, I'm afraid.
	1:11pm Brian in UK: no, not really. A windbreaker might be used at the seaside to protect you when sitting on the beach.
	1:12pm the Canterbury wood-elf: You're thinking of an anorak. Or a kagool!
	1:13pm Brian in UK: Oh Elf that's a spanner in the works.
	1:14pm Brian in UK: Windbreaker/windcheater same thing.
	🥁 1:14pm listener james from westwood: βrian: LOL! The Devil's greatest trick is to convince everyone that his sweater vest doesn't exist. Brian in UK: This guy is as earnest as a grenade. He's about to begin yammering about right-wing fast-food moguls.
	1:15pm βrian: I'd rather be known for cheating wind.
	🥁 1:16pm listener james from westwood: @Tony: If Sweater Vest and the Wifebeaters is gonna be played anywhere, it's WFMU. Sounds like a Pat Duncan track.
	1:16pm Brian in UK: Excellent, Le Petomane.
	1:16pm Brian in UK: Cannot hold a candle to you.
	1:17pm the Canterbury wood-elf: With this simple B&W photo as a starting point, I'm starting to realise what a weird culture I'm embedded in.
	1:20pm Brian in UK: Elf look how it has spread across the world. Skools are not what they were in the 60s/70s. We had respect for teachers then. Nowadays it is all 'I know my rights'. As Geldoff would say Bollocks.
	1:21pm the Canterbury wood-elf: i was thinking more about the bizarre names we have for items of clothing, but yeah, that too...
	1:22pm Charlie: Today's show is perfect accompaniment to editing my wife's dissertation.
	1:23pm Tony Coulter: @ Charlie: I can't be held responsible if you end up subtly changing her argument.
	1:24pm Charlie: We'll thank you on the title page, Tony.
	1:26pm βrian: @Charlie: Will it be open-access, once published?
	1:28pm Charlie: I don't know yet, @βrian. But it's quite a long way away. We're just working on the proposal, i.e. the first three chapters. Won't be finished for another year and a half.
	1:30pm βrian: Go forth and walk among the righteous of the open-access community! What's her field?
	🥁 1:33pm listener james from westwood: @Charlie: I look forward to seeing it referenced in a future editing project that crosses my desk. Hopefully as a full-on book!
	1:34pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Are we still listening to Ron Nagorcka? Powerful, moving sounds, whatever their origin.
	1:35pm Tony Coulter: @ wood-elf: Yep, still the same (great) piece.
	🥁 1:35pm listener james from westwood: @Canterbury wood-elf: Re; weird clothing names, I'm still trying to figure how how the shoe style "brothel creeper" got its name, aside from the obvious.
	1:37pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Well, our manifold friends over at wikipedia.org have this to say: "These shoes found their beginnings in the years following World War II, as soldiers based in the deserts in North Africa wore suede boots with hard-wearing crepe rubber soles because of the climate and environment. Having left the army, many of these ex-soldiers found their way to the nightspots of London wearing the same crepe-soled shoes and these became known as "brothel creepers". A soft crepe rubber sole makes almost no sound on a hard floor, unlike leather-soled shoes. However, the British Boot Company have suggested that the name creeper derives from and is an adaption of the word crepe." Always trust what the BBC tells you!
	1:37pm Kurt Gottschalk: glad to hear you giving nagorcka so much time, rony! it's a great record.
	1:38pm βrian: Some buy their rubbers in a crêperie.
	1:39pm Tony Coulter: Heya, Kurt! Yep, I'm very, very impressed with it too.
	1:40pm Brian in UK: I would imagine these shoes became the template for the Teddy Boys footwear. @βrian Rubber Johnny or nunky.
	1:40pm Dean: OED points to this early occurrence: 1954 G. Smith Flaw in Crystal ix. 81 ‘Poncing about the place in those brothel-creepers of his!’.. He always wore plush suede shoes. Google's Ngram shows a first appearance in the early '70s, which just goes to show you how limited Ngram can be.
	1:40pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Nunky? That's new to me.
	1:41pm Tony Coulter: Greets, Dean!
	1:41pm Dean: Ah, but "brothel - creeper" shows up on Ngram in '65!
	1:44pm Brian in UK: @elf do you remember The Navy Lark? The Jon Pertwee character had an uncle called nunky. No idea if it was related to said contraceptive.
	1:46pm steve: hey Tony!
	1:46pm Tony Coulter: Hola, Steve!
	1:46pm the Canterbury wood-elf: @Brian That was a bit before my time (well, I just about remember him as the Doctor, but the Navy Lark passed me by).
	1:47pm Brian in UK: Oh dear showing my age.
	🥁 1:48pm listener james from westwood: Crazy stuff on the etymology of that term. Thanks! Lido Pimienta: wow!!
	1:48pm Brian in UK: Better go cook some dinner, great wide ranging show today, Tony. As ever.
	1:49pm Tony Coulter: Enjoy your fortification, Brian!
	1:50pm Brian in UK: A man's home is his castle.
	1:53pm βrian: In the US, that means you can shoot anyone who walks in the door. God Bless Amurka.
	1:57pm Tony Coulter: I miss the days when you were only allowed to pour burning oil on them, from your parapets.
	2:02pm the Canterbury wood-elf: The main singer's period earnestness is quite sweet. Where'd you find this 197? album, Tony?
	2:03pm the Canterbury wood-elf: I said "main singer" cos you segued that so skillfully i thought it was the same track. "Genetic engineering? That's prophetic for 197?", I was thinking when the playlist reloaded.
	2:04pm Tony Coulter: @ Canterbury wood-elf: The Havenstreet thingee has just been reissued. The original, I imagine, is quite rare.
	2:14pm DCE: nice fuzzy action here TC
	2:15pm Tony Coulter: Thanks, DCE -- tho the fuzz just gave way to ducks. This track, btw, is video game music.
	2:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...great: all this Brit talk has me craving marmite !...well - there's none around here ...don't mind a bit of GaragePsych - no Sir...
	2:17pm DCE: ducks are fuzzy too
	2:20pm the Canterbury wood-elf: @RRN63 plenty of Marmite around here, will toast (heehee) you with some later
	2:21pm Charlie: I wish I had a parapet. I'd settle for a balustrade.
	🥁 2:23pm listener james from westwood: I rely on a series of machicolations.
	2:24pm DCE: this band is 2 cool!
	2:27pm Charlie: This program serves as a flying buttress.
	2:29pm Tony Coulter: ... or a bridge to nowhere.
	2:34pm Tony Coulter: Mr. Nagorcka and the birds return....
	2:36pm Dean: Is this architectural elements thread leading up to "Stairway to Heaven"?
	2:36pm northguineahills: I accidentally found myself on the BLT stream and got hooked a for a good while until I remembered to come back here a half hour ago. WFMU always has tough choices.
	2:38pm Tony Coulter: I can relate. When I became a vegetarian, BLT sandwiches were the only thing I missed. I'll have to add extra mayo to this show.
	2:39pm Tony Coulter: Greets, NGH!
	2:39pm βrian: Basil, not bacon.
	2:44pm Tony Coulter: The beet goes on....
	2:45pm glenn: five feet of snow in buffalo, everybody.
	2:46pm Tony Coulter: Hey Glenn! I hope you are more than 5 feet tall.
	2:46pm βrian: I was an adult before I understood beets. We've been together ever since.
	2:48pm βrian: Don't make fun, Tony. You can see he's lower case.
	2:48pm glenn: i am. plus i'm not in buffalo, so there's that.
	2:50pm βrian: Glenn Gould? Is that you? Toronto, right?
	2:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @TC: - there's 'Fakin' Bacon' yerknow...
	2:52pm the Canterbury wood-elf: Yeah, made by the same people who brought us "Cheatin' Chicken". Urg...
	2:53pm Tony Coulter: How 'bout Bullshit Beef?
	2:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - ah - they've gotten a lot better over time w/ the Soy stuff...
	2:54pm glenn: well, he's dead, but yeah.
	2:54pm the Canterbury wood-elf: I want to start a straightedge band called "Soya Hog Roast"
	2:55pm the Canterbury wood-elf: @Tony I suppose it would have to be "Bullshitin' Beef" to keep with the apostrophic theme.
	2:56pm Tony Coulter: See what you mean, elf. I do like Chinese soy fakerie -- so maybe I should try ersatz bacon one of these days.
	2:56pm the Canterbury wood-elf: "Bullshittin'", sorry (two t's). The best one, though, is just called "No Egg". Defined entirely in terms of what it isn't. It certainly isn't egg. Stay well awawy.
	2:57pm Tony Coulter: Then there's Crazy Mixed-Up Salt -- all herbal.
	2:58pm βrian: Speaking of, what's a three-letter word for a bird, that begins with "e?"
	2:58pm Tony Coulter: Emu?
	2:58pm DCE: rippin' today, man, good job! EMU
	🥁 2:58pm listener james from westwood: Smashing show as always, Tony! Gonna put on my brothel creepers and creep off. (Cue Scott Walker's "Next.") Thanks!!
	2:59pm Tony Coulter: Thanks for showin' up, everybody!! See you next week.
	2:59pm βrian: Curse you, James. Have mercy on us Wisconsinites!

Tony Coulter: Playlist from November 18, 2014

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