WFMU: Jason Elbogen: Playlist from January 27, 2017

Listener comments!
	3:01pm fred: Good afternoon Jason and all
	3:03pm Doug Schulkind: Elbogening is more fun than tobogganing. And warmer!
	3:06pm still b/p: Less dangerous to the backbone, too...unless you gets to boogie-ing wild.
	3:06pm Dave in Vermont: squonk it, C.K.!
	3:13pm fred: This reminds me I haven't been to an Ethiopian music show in a while. I hope I'll get to scratch that itch soon
	3:20pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Jason and Drummarians. Friday afternoon is upon us!
	3:21pm fred: Kassidat is yet another excellent Dust To Digital release (redundant, I know)
	3:24pm coelacanth∅: greetings Jason and others
	3:27pm still b/p: The hills are alive, with the sound of...
	3:30pm fred: I think the easier to pronounce Azeri is also accepted
	3:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hullo - enjoying!
	3:48pm Dean: A series of bands that sound like other bands: Shadocks (Siouxsie &tB), Sharp Ties (Gang of 4), Deux (not sure...), SS-Say (PIL).
	3:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...every bit...
	3:51pm fred: All new to me, even though I should have seen Maria Violenza by now, another add to my to-do list
	3:51pm Jason Elbogen: Dean--next track will probably provide no easy connections..
	3:53pm Dean: Sui generis.
	3:59pm melinda: hi peoples
	3:59pm Dean: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/evelyn-lohoefer-de-boeck-who-composed-for-children-and-dance-dies-at-92/2014/07/26/3104c16a-1369-11e4-98ee-daea85133bc9_story.html
	4:11pm Dave in Vermont: Miss Mary Morrison et al, wow!
	4:11pm Ike: Wild!
	4:18pm Alex In Illinois: Jason? Is that collection that you mentioned the one that has that naughty "My Sportin' Man" by Mamie Smith?
	4:27pm coelacanth∅: wow that song was amazing!
	4:33pm Jason Elbogen: Which song, Coel? The high school one?
	4:37pm coelacanth∅: Yes! -well, many of them! but that's the one that awoke me from an unintentional brief snooze. - but, her voice!
	4:44pm Dean: Middle school is now 6-8.
	4:45pm Dean: Pretty sure they segregate the 6th graders. Will find out next year, when my eldest will have "graduated" from 5th...
	5:00pm fred: Wow, what an album title... The bright side is that I wouldn't have wanted to be credited either on a compilation of "the music of primitive man"
	5:06pm Dean: Coincidence
	5:10pm Dean: Contradiction: to assert without qualification (such as "I changed my mind") the opposite of what one formerly said.
	5:11pm fred: There's software that could do the splitting for you. There's some silence between tracks so it should work. You could transfer one while you're doing your show, in a few weeks you're done
	5:14pm Dean: Strictly, even with a qualification you're contradicting yourself, but I'm sensing that you're interested in the moral valence of the word. Is Mass the Rema-Rema offshoot?
	5:16pm fred: I like (the later) Wittgenstein's take that a contradiction is a move forbidden by usual rules of logic, but that it's no big deal to make up a new rule, and a new game, to handle them
	5:21pm coelacanth∅: referring back to your conundrum - while ripping, burning, whatever it is - from the cassettes, it's not as if you wouldn't be listening to and enjoying them while you're doing it, right?
	5:23pm fred: @Dean: I don't think there's a contradiction if you're qualifying the way you said earlier, because the statements refer to different times. They're close enough that you use present time in both clauses, but they're like "I was once a baby, now I'm old", which isn't a contradiction. The inconsistency should be internal
	5:27pm coelacanth∅: i think there's a difference between making a statement that is contradictory to an earlier statement, and "contradicting yourself", which would be if you don't acknowledge the change.
	5:28pm fred: This "girl singing" track is beautiful
	5:30pm fred: @coelacanth: You're right, of course. I'm reading a Russell anthology these days, so it gets harder to ignore my background in logic
	5:32pm Jason Elbogen: The good example of a contradiction I found was this: My younger brother is an only child.
	5:35pm fred: It makes sense though: alt-facts are to being true what alt-right is to being right
	5:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: That contradicts itself - an internal logical contradiction. ...'You're just Contradicting me - that's not an Argument!' - 'Yes it is.' ...'No it's not !!!'... Yes - creating your own 'Facts' & twisting language around to convince people of them (& such techniques) is Orwellian in the extreme. & - Classic Fascist playbook bullsh*t.
	5:39pm Alex In Illinois: Yes, it makes sense, or you end up spending more time correcting the mistake the program made.
	5:40pm coelacanth∅: i have never used that function of my "real time" cd burner because i assume it wont work acceptably.
	5:40pm Alex In Illinois: I was referring to what Jason was saying about automated track splitting software.
	5:41pm coelacanth∅: right (@5:39) ...in other words, if you want it done right, do it yourself.
	5:42pm Dean: My assumption is that Jason is interested in the more colloquial notion of "contradiction," the one relating to "contradicting yourself," not purely a logical contradiction. Could be wrong, though. Point taken, @fred, but if I yesterday stated, "I like X," and then today assert, "I don't like X," I have in the looser sense made a contradiction, unless I qualify the (apparent) contradiction, e.g., "I realized that X causes injury." I don't think the example is a good one. In fact, I find it a little concerning. No, I don't.
	5:46pm coelacanth∅: it's something of no concern to me...so much so that it's worrisome.
	5:49pm fred: Dean, I think that if I heard you say "I like X" one day and "I don't like X" the next, I would infer "something happened to make him change his mind" without thinking twice about it. So language is fine, even on a pure logic level, because all statements require formal translation. Of course there are cases where this inference is itself so wildly unlikely it cannot work
	5:50pm coelacanth∅: actually, i have had moments of being concerned at my lack of concern. that's not contradictory because it wasn't my lack of concern about my lack of concern that i was concerned about.
	5:55pm fred: @coelacanth: only if you accept the theory of types
	5:57pm fred: @Jason: Nice move to start this set with a track called "un-compatible"
	6:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Pardon if I haven't paid attention well enuff? Are we speaking Politically / topically? It's said a lot that Liberals take Drumpf literally but not seriously - where Cons take him seriously but not literally. Tho' - we may be learning to take him very seriously indeed...What has happened is there is No Accountability for anything anymore - not even from a Chief Executive. this is because Journalism & Media that might investigate & communicate a contradiction have been dismantled & Sold Out to the Oligarchy - & converted instead into Entertainment & Propaganda. Likewise also w/ the actual Government - so who could hold anyone Accountable? In whose interest could it be to do so?
	6:00pm fred: Thanks Jason. Again I thought I would only listen to half the show at most, and I couldn't turn it off before the end.
	6:00pm Dean: I hear you, fred, but then consider a different scenario. You hear me among a group of Xs say, "I love Xs!" Next day, among a bunch of Ys I say, "I despise Xs." Your observation is that I'm two-faced, perhaps that I have something to gain from expressing such a sentiment among Ys. This would be one of those wild cases where the inference can't work. I have plainly contradicted myself. I'm saying that this example isn't all that different from the first "I don't like X" one. You're free to construe charitably my behavior to the extent you can, but it's the contradiction that triggers your resort to charity.
	6:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Thx man.
	6:00pm Jason Elbogen: Thanks Fred!
	6:01pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jason

Jason Elbogen: Playlist from January 27, 2017

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January 27, 2017

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Artist	Track	Album	Comments	Approx. start time
C.K. Mann	Ahejde "Ahejde" by "C.K. Mann"	VA - Voodoo Mix 09 - This Hustling World		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Ayalèw Mèsfin	Neye Temelesh Belwat	Tereterkush Betam / Neye Temelesh Belwat 7" (1975 Kaifa Records)		0:10:06 (Pop-up)
Abdellah el Magana	Kassidat el Hakka (The Poem of the Truth)	Kassidat: Raw 45s from Morocco (V/A)		0:15:02 (Pop-up)
Cabbar Qaryagdioglu	Mensuriyye "Mensuriyye" by "Cabbar Qaryagdioglu"	Ogli		0:20:48 (Pop-up)
[Unnamed Falasha Musicians]	Prayer For Passover	Religious Music of the Falashas (Jews of Ethiopia)		0:23:51 (Pop-up)

Maria Violenza	Je Pete Ton Plan "Je Pete Ton Plan" by "Maria Violenza"	2014 ST EP		0:30:56 (Pop-up)
Die Shadocks	Alltagstrott "Alltagstrott" by "Die Shadocks"	ST EP (No Name Records 1983)		0:33:04 (Pop-up)
Sharp Ties	Ties "Ties" by "Sharp Ties"	Get That Beat (1981 Harvest)		0:37:30 (Pop-up)
Deux	Felicita "Felicita" by "Deux"	Agglomérat (recordings 1982-92)		0:41:15 (Pop-up)
SS-Say	Transaction "Transaction" by "SS-Say"	Fusion (SAM Records 1985)		0:44:34 (Pop-up)
Evelyn Lohoefer De Boeck and Beth Osgood Chanock	Who's That Talking To What?	Drumtalk and Going Places (1968 Educational Activities)		0:52:12 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: ``	"``"			0:57:56 (Pop-up)
Sister Ernestine Washington	Holding On Part 1	Sister Ernestine Washington Volume 2 (1954-c.1958 Document)		1:04:09 (Pop-up)
Southern Revivalists of New Orleans	Get Right With God	Hot Gospel Volume 2		1:06:42 (Pop-up)
Miss Mary Morrison & A Group of Women	Clapping Song: Ho mo leannan	VA - Gaelic Music From Scottland		1:09:32 (Pop-up)
Nazarene Congregational Church Choir of Brooklyn	Who'll Join This Union?			1:11:22 (Pop-up)
Evening Light Singers	Walking Around Me	VA - Hot Gospel Volume 2 (Krazy Jat 1984)		1:13:49 (Pop-up)

Valley High School (Las Vegas)	Crossroads	Sounds Unlimited		1:22:23 (Pop-up)
Toby Fichelscher & Gunter Wilk	On Chano's Track	VA - Formation 60 - Modern Jazz From Eastern Germany Amiga 1957-69		1:26:37 (Pop-up)
Mega Bog	Mariane "Mariane" by "Mega Bog"	Happy Together (2016)		1:29:48 (Pop-up)
Sing-In Boulder	Love Song "Love Song" by "Sing-In Boulder"	Let's Be Real (1978 Owl Records)		1:32:21 (Pop-up)
The Mops	To My Sons "To My Sons" by "The Mops"	Goiken Muyo (Iijanaika)		1:36:18 (Pop-up)

Ométaxalia et Bucchi	J'attends "J'attends" by "Ométaxalia et Bucchi"	Lettre d'Ocre (Uniteledis 1977)		1:45:16 (Pop-up)
[Uncreditted Malay Peninsula Tribe]	Manteri Magic Ceremony	VA - The Music of Primitive Man (Horizon 1973)		1:55:30 (Pop-up)
Isnarti	Selendang Sutra "Selendang Sutra" by "Isnarti"	VA - True Vine 78 Series Vol. 13 - Krontjong		1:58:18 (Pop-up)
[Mein Tribe]	Oboe & cymbal "Oboe & cymbal" by "[Mein Tribe]"	Thai Hill Tribe Music - [1993 Disco Cassette Chiang Mai]		2:02:14 (Pop-up)

Mass	Cross Purposes "Cross Purposes" by "Mass"	Labour of Love (1981)		2:12:22 (Pop-up)
Hollywood Autopsy	Mr. Farmer "Mr. Farmer" by "Hollywood Autopsy"	Hollywood Autopsy (1983)		2:17:03 (Pop-up)
Dormir dans la chambre froide ?	III - L'imperatrice	Arcanes CS (2016)		2:21:35 (Pop-up)
[Hmong Tribe]	[Track 5 "Girl Singing"]	Thai Hill Tribe Music - [1993 Disco Cassette Chiang Mai]		2:24:56 (Pop-up)
Mary C. Mann	Finger Ring "Finger Ring" by "Mary C. Mann"	DOCD 5576 - Field Recordings 2 - North & South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Arkansas (1926-43)		2:27:44 (Pop-up)
Memphis Jug Band	Rukus Juices and Chittlin'	VA - Blues Classics - The Jug, Jook, and Washboard Bands		2:29:22 (Pop-up)

Shanghai Au Go go	Un-Compatible "Un-Compatible" by "Shanghai Au Go go"	Va - Electronic Music Club (1983 cass.)	https://www.discogs.com/Mayas-Peninsulares-Encuentros-de-M%C3%BAsica-Tradicional-Ind%C3%ADgena/release/7286764#images/19434681	2:41:43 (Pop-up)
Mega Bog	T.V. M.A.C. "T.V. M.A.C." by "Mega Bog"	Happy Together (2016)		2:45:27 (Pop-up)
Muzigae Quintet	[4] "[4]" by "Muzigae Quintet"	Cool Lady (1976 Shinsegye Records)		2:47:53 (Pop-up)
Peter Tessier	Try With Your Heart	By Turning A Knob (1983)		2:50:58 (Pop-up)
Gianni Giublena Rosacroce	Agua Ardiente	Gianni Giublena Rosacroce / Maria Violenza - Escape from today (NO=FI Recordings 2015)		2:54:58 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	3:01pm fred: Good afternoon Jason and all
	3:03pm Doug Schulkind: Elbogening is more fun than tobogganing. And warmer!
	3:06pm still b/p: Less dangerous to the backbone, too...unless you gets to boogie-ing wild.
	3:06pm Dave in Vermont: squonk it, C.K.!
	3:13pm fred: This reminds me I haven't been to an Ethiopian music show in a while. I hope I'll get to scratch that itch soon
	3:20pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Jason and Drummarians. Friday afternoon is upon us!
	3:21pm fred: Kassidat is yet another excellent Dust To Digital release (redundant, I know)
	3:24pm coelacanth∅: greetings Jason and others
	3:27pm still b/p: The hills are alive, with the sound of...
	3:30pm fred: I think the easier to pronounce Azeri is also accepted
	3:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Hullo - enjoying!
	3:48pm Dean: A series of bands that sound like other bands: Shadocks (Siouxsie &tB), Sharp Ties (Gang of 4), Deux (not sure...), SS-Say (PIL).
	3:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...every bit...
	3:51pm fred: All new to me, even though I should have seen Maria Violenza by now, another add to my to-do list
	3:51pm Jason Elbogen: Dean--next track will probably provide no easy connections..
	3:53pm Dean: Sui generis.
	3:59pm melinda: hi peoples
	3:59pm Dean: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/evelyn-lohoefer-de-boeck-who-composed-for-children-and-dance-dies-at-92/2014/07/26/3104c16a-1369-11e4-98ee-daea85133bc9_story.html
	4:11pm Dave in Vermont: Miss Mary Morrison et al, wow!
	4:11pm Ike: Wild!
	4:18pm Alex In Illinois: Jason? Is that collection that you mentioned the one that has that naughty "My Sportin' Man" by Mamie Smith?
	4:27pm coelacanth∅: wow that song was amazing!
	4:33pm Jason Elbogen: Which song, Coel? The high school one?
	4:37pm coelacanth∅: Yes! -well, many of them! but that's the one that awoke me from an unintentional brief snooze. - but, her voice!
	4:44pm Dean: Middle school is now 6-8.
	4:45pm Dean: Pretty sure they segregate the 6th graders. Will find out next year, when my eldest will have "graduated" from 5th...
	5:00pm fred: Wow, what an album title... The bright side is that I wouldn't have wanted to be credited either on a compilation of "the music of primitive man"
	5:06pm Dean: Coincidence
	5:10pm Dean: Contradiction: to assert without qualification (such as "I changed my mind") the opposite of what one formerly said.
	5:11pm fred: There's software that could do the splitting for you. There's some silence between tracks so it should work. You could transfer one while you're doing your show, in a few weeks you're done
	5:14pm Dean: Strictly, even with a qualification you're contradicting yourself, but I'm sensing that you're interested in the moral valence of the word. Is Mass the Rema-Rema offshoot?
	5:16pm fred: I like (the later) Wittgenstein's take that a contradiction is a move forbidden by usual rules of logic, but that it's no big deal to make up a new rule, and a new game, to handle them
	5:21pm coelacanth∅: referring back to your conundrum - while ripping, burning, whatever it is - from the cassettes, it's not as if you wouldn't be listening to and enjoying them while you're doing it, right?
	5:23pm fred: @Dean: I don't think there's a contradiction if you're qualifying the way you said earlier, because the statements refer to different times. They're close enough that you use present time in both clauses, but they're like "I was once a baby, now I'm old", which isn't a contradiction. The inconsistency should be internal
	5:27pm coelacanth∅: i think there's a difference between making a statement that is contradictory to an earlier statement, and "contradicting yourself", which would be if you don't acknowledge the change.
	5:28pm fred: This "girl singing" track is beautiful
	5:30pm fred: @coelacanth: You're right, of course. I'm reading a Russell anthology these days, so it gets harder to ignore my background in logic
	5:32pm Jason Elbogen: The good example of a contradiction I found was this: My younger brother is an only child.
	5:35pm fred: It makes sense though: alt-facts are to being true what alt-right is to being right
	5:38pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: That contradicts itself - an internal logical contradiction. ...'You're just Contradicting me - that's not an Argument!' - 'Yes it is.' ...'No it's not !!!'... Yes - creating your own 'Facts' & twisting language around to convince people of them (& such techniques) is Orwellian in the extreme. & - Classic Fascist playbook bullsh*t.
	5:39pm Alex In Illinois: Yes, it makes sense, or you end up spending more time correcting the mistake the program made.
	5:40pm coelacanth∅: i have never used that function of my "real time" cd burner because i assume it wont work acceptably.
	5:40pm Alex In Illinois: I was referring to what Jason was saying about automated track splitting software.
	5:41pm coelacanth∅: right (@5:39) ...in other words, if you want it done right, do it yourself.
	5:42pm Dean: My assumption is that Jason is interested in the more colloquial notion of "contradiction," the one relating to "contradicting yourself," not purely a logical contradiction. Could be wrong, though. Point taken, @fred, but if I yesterday stated, "I like X," and then today assert, "I don't like X," I have in the looser sense made a contradiction, unless I qualify the (apparent) contradiction, e.g., "I realized that X causes injury." I don't think the example is a good one. In fact, I find it a little concerning. No, I don't.
	5:46pm coelacanth∅: it's something of no concern to me...so much so that it's worrisome.
	5:49pm fred: Dean, I think that if I heard you say "I like X" one day and "I don't like X" the next, I would infer "something happened to make him change his mind" without thinking twice about it. So language is fine, even on a pure logic level, because all statements require formal translation. Of course there are cases where this inference is itself so wildly unlikely it cannot work
	5:50pm coelacanth∅: actually, i have had moments of being concerned at my lack of concern. that's not contradictory because it wasn't my lack of concern about my lack of concern that i was concerned about.
	5:55pm fred: @coelacanth: only if you accept the theory of types
	5:57pm fred: @Jason: Nice move to start this set with a track called "un-compatible"
	6:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Pardon if I haven't paid attention well enuff? Are we speaking Politically / topically? It's said a lot that Liberals take Drumpf literally but not seriously - where Cons take him seriously but not literally. Tho' - we may be learning to take him very seriously indeed...What has happened is there is No Accountability for anything anymore - not even from a Chief Executive. this is because Journalism & Media that might investigate & communicate a contradiction have been dismantled & Sold Out to the Oligarchy - & converted instead into Entertainment & Propaganda. Likewise also w/ the actual Government - so who could hold anyone Accountable? In whose interest could it be to do so?
	6:00pm fred: Thanks Jason. Again I thought I would only listen to half the show at most, and I couldn't turn it off before the end.
	6:00pm Dean: I hear you, fred, but then consider a different scenario. You hear me among a group of Xs say, "I love Xs!" Next day, among a bunch of Ys I say, "I despise Xs." Your observation is that I'm two-faced, perhaps that I have something to gain from expressing such a sentiment among Ys. This would be one of those wild cases where the inference can't work. I have plainly contradicted myself. I'm saying that this example isn't all that different from the first "I don't like X" one. You're free to construe charitably my behavior to the extent you can, but it's the contradiction that triggers your resort to charity.
	6:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Thx man.
	6:00pm Jason Elbogen: Thanks Fred!
	6:01pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jason

Jason Elbogen: Playlist from January 27, 2017

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