WFMU: This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from December 20, 2018

Listener comments!
	9:02am Aaron Working In Newark: Good Morning Trouble
	9:04am Morphe: No NeCROW info or graphics today........so far????
	9:04am Granny Spicy Tuna: Oh, every time i hear something from this Julia Holter album, i am enchanted.
	9:04am Granny Spicy Tuna: and @Morphe, thanks again for the great links, gonna check out that book for sure.
	9:05am The Oscar: Mornin'! Research tells me this is probably not Christmas music, but that's how my brain is processing it. It works!
	9:05am Morphe: Pardon T - i meant to say hello and thanks 1st!!!!!!!!!
	9:05am steveo: good morning Trouble & world
	9:06am Dances with Moomins: Good Morning Trouble and the Mods. Deepest DARKEST December days now, but snowy in Turku ! Merry Happy Garden State
	9:07am thatpatsmith: happy solstice eve trubble bubbles
	9:08am sphere: hullo all.
	9:09am Morphe: GrannyST = Hope this is not PlayList abuse... a cut and paste below from the last secs of W&B - Thanks trouble.. On the road ..happytrails GrannyST: I am into hiking up mountains with no equipment/walking/maps and real compasses. A great book about old paths: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jul/02/old-ways-robert-macfarlane-review
	9:10am kevlicki: Happy end of the year trouble and all. I will be jumping for joy when the days begin getting longer again!
	9:11am melinda: hi everyone!
	9:13am Trouble: good morning solstice-eve-rs! thank you @dances with moomins for my fab finnish holiday card! love to all your sweet moomins!
	9:13am steveo: @Morphe that looks interesting; did you read the first two books in the trilogy? is that necessary?
	9:13am Dances with Moomins: good thing today's accu text isn't in BRIGHT fusia!
	9:14am Trouble: music alert; there will be no christmas music today. why would i play music for a holiday that is so very far away??? yes, i am in denial
	9:14am Aaron Working In Newark: Hi Melinda!
	9:16am EG_Astro: Good morning trouble & everyone! The painting selection goes well with today's playlist title, which i love.
	9:17am Dances with Moomins: Sounds great to me so far! Hyvää Jouluä Ms. T Mr.T & the Icepack
	9:18am steveo: haha. denial is not a river in egypt. maybe this is solstice music?
	9:19am Morphe: Steveo & GrannyST: never knew it was a trilogy?? It stands alone. He has a new book about lost country words. There is a word for the wee hole small animals (ferrets, badgers, etc..) make in the bottom of a hedge to get from field to field:"SMEUSE" ..truly out the door must go south for proper chilies for tonight's salsa..
	9:19am Sigurður: ?
	9:20am Stanley: Balls to Christmas
	9:20am Peter in SEA: Good morning Trouble and troubled friends! Last day of classes out here on the left coast!
	9:22am 我家: Greetings from the opposite side of the globe.
	9:23am Granny Spicy Tuna: 我家 hello! welcome to this friendly space
	9:25am SSS: OOhhh, deep pink on grey......I like it, and readable
	9:29am steveo: cool Morphe, thanks; I just put a hold on at the library :)
	9:29am Lixiviated Life: I sense the theme is: Winter Is Coming
	9:31am Webhamster Henry: Merry Eno, everyone.
	9:31am Lixiviated Life: loving the despondent tulips. they surrender to entropy. awaiting transformation.
	9:32am Linda Lee: still lots of color there ... not the usual when they're that far gone.
	9:33am Linda Lee: nice palette though!
	9:34am Linda Lee: i'm not sorry we won't hear Christmas music on the show today.
	9:34am Brian in UK: Hello Trouble. Hoping to see the Klimt/Schiele exhibition in London sometime.
	9:35am northguineahills: verdammt, Henry beat me to it!
	9:35am Granny Spicy Tuna: Linda Lee, you know i second that emotion. And i shun not Eno, as well.
	9:35am Lixiviated Life: we dont lose color in decay. it only changes. more subtle. as we grow fragile.
	9:36am Linda Lee: i'm fairly successfully ignoring a holiday that mainly exists for retail, at this point.
	9:36am Roberto: @Trouble - anything new to report? :P
	9:37am melinda: I was just reminded of something that sampled "the camel man cursing and running" but I can't remember what it is.
	9:37am SSS: The only Christmas music I like is Dylan's Christmas album....cannot stop laughing when hearing it, jaded jew that I am
	9:37am Linda Lee: we do not hear enough good spoken word on FMU now. i think we should hear one good poem for every dopey phone call.
	9:37am Neanderthal Head: for the retailers that's no doubt true.
	9:38am Trouble: we will not be meeting up in phiily for vegan food@roberto. on to round 2 of the dehumanizing process
	9:38am Lixiviated Life: Shun ye not Eno for modulation alone shalt liberate thou from damnation.
	9:38am Granny Spicy Tuna: Linda Lee, i have, as well, and am blissfully out of all of the hollerdaze loops, except for my attendance at a small ceremony tomorrow afternoon to welcome the return of the light.
	9:38am Linda Lee: it's hard to imagine any aspect of american life that isn't for business, at this point. so tiresome.
	9:39am Roberto: Ugh. So sorry. Believe me, I know how it goes :(
	9:39am Linda Lee: nice!! told ya, Solstice is the day for me. where are you going?
	9:40am The Oscar: As a kid, one of my favorite books was a copy of Eliot's "Book of Practical Cats" illustrated by Edward Gorey. As far as I was concerned, he was a children's author.
	9:41am Webhamster Henry: We are Solsticers!
	9:41am Linda Lee: i'd imagine the stress surrounding this holiday is literally killing people.
	9:42am Neanderthal Head: i agree, of course, which is why people do stuff like make granola. it's up to us.
	9:42am northguineahills: I got my wife concert tix to shows via my wfmu friends. Blood family, I'll do it this weekend.
	9:42am Linda Lee: yes, tomorrow is Solstice!
	9:42am Roberto: Screw holiday shopping - that s is for kids anyway. I've never understood why adults feel the need to give each other gifts.
	9:43am Granny Spicy Tuna: Going to a friend's place down the road from me who offers sacred fire ceremonies at every Solstice and Equinox. There's a much bigger annual all night gathering of the Pagans on this island, however i'm sitting out that one.
	9:43am The Oscar: @Webhamster Henry I don't think I could even attempt to say that out loud without it coming out as "Soul Sisters"
	9:43am northguineahills: (they prefer material gifts, annoying problem AF)
	9:43am Neanderthal Head: hate to be the fly in the ointment, but gifting can be a wonderful thing, done in a certain spirit of course. i like shit i use.
	9:44am Trouble: thanks @roberto. it's a gamble!
	9:44am Webhamster Henry: Solstice: the sun stands still. At my latitude: Length of Visible Light 10 h 10 m Length of Day 9 h 7 m Tomorrow will be 0 minutes 4 seconds shorter
	9:44am sugarwerewolf: I made only one thing for Christmas and I'm not sure if it is going to fit.
	9:45am Linda Lee: @Granny, where are you again? i'd love showing up :-D
	9:45am Granny Spicy Tuna: When gifting becomes an obligation, it is no longer an act of joyful offering. I do shun as many obligations as i possibly can.
	9:46am Linda Lee: gifting is a beautiful thing for sure. but the pressure to gift on this holiday is just absurd.
	9:46am Granny Spicy Tuna: Linda Lee, i would so enjoy sharing that space with you. I'm across the continent, on Lopez Island, Washington.
	9:46am Lixiviated Life: I proclaim to all from atop the Palisades! Drop your ego! Strip off your holiday stress and let your heart run free and naked Up the down escalator at Macy's!
	9:46am Neanderthal Head: gifting is obligation by necessity, it could be. ask the anthropologists. anyway, i am obligated to the people i love.
	9:46am Brian in UK: I was listening to Dylan Thomas reading Return Journey to Swansea the other day. Guessing it was a kind of warm up for Under Milk Wood. DT loved words. Graffiti I saw on a pub wall many years ago 'I'm not anti-semantic, some of my best friends are words'.
	9:46am northguineahills: @Granny: dar-e mehr? (I always put a little Zoroastrianism in my holidays?)
	9:46am Linda Lee: that's right, you are. damn. :-D thank you hon.
	9:47am CeeDubbles: Saturday will bring us sunrise one minute earlier and sunset one minute later. That's the best 'present!'
	9:47am Trouble: excellent @brian in UK
	9:47am Roberto: It's much more competitive than it was in our day. FWIW, our kid was a double legacy and still didn't get into her first-round choice.
	9:47am Linda Lee: LL, please put that one on the Wake Answering Machine. :-)
	9:47am Webhamster Henry: @The Oscar Soul Sister Solsticers are thrifty gifters.
	9:47am Dances with Moomins: IF one feels compelled to buy gifts for friends and loved ones on whos' faces a smile to impart..shop at a book store. In fact shop at two or three or four...
	9:47am Linda Lee: i think so too, CeeDubbles.
	9:48am CeeDubbles: re: child's Christmas in Wales - what say you all to the latest Banksy installation?
	9:48am Granny Spicy Tuna: I suppose i am referring more to the contemporary connotation of the word "obligation" than the original definition of the word.
	9:49am ken in munich: Hi ,was that t.s. Himself reading? I love to hear poetry read by and englishman. Or almost english. He was born in st.louis, Missouri, but I love hearing him read, or whoever it was.
	9:50am bobdoesthings: goodmorning
	9:51am Lixiviated Life: i am getting zero work done today.
	9:51am melinda: I'm out of the loop for both xmas and solstice celebrations but I will light a few candles tomorrow.
	9:51am Granny Spicy Tuna: northguineahills: random trivia tidbit: when i was 11 i told my mother i wanted to change my last name. She gave me two choices for a new middle name, and one of them was Zoroaster. She gave no explanation of why. I chose Apollonia.
	9:52am Neanderthal Head: i get it, i think, and i don't disagree with the complaints - the stress is real. which for me is all the more reason to make meaning where i can or embrace it where it is. that may or may not involve money and stuff. this show and forum, for example.
	9:52am Trouble: yes@ken in munich, that was TS eliot reading his poem
	9:53am Andrea: Yes Michael Nyman. And yes to granola... you can do it!!! (and thank you also for not playing xmas)
	9:53am bobdoesthings: does anyone know if theres a way to add wfmu to sonos player? today is a rare day I think I can commandeer the sonos at work.. but seems like you need some url to input into the thing to add.. or does wfmu have their own widget/app thing?
	9:54am Granny Spicy Tuna: @ Neanderthal Head: i always appreciate an etymology lesson. :)
	9:54am Neanderthal Head: this is a brilliant set, by the way.
	9:55am Brian in UK: @ken in munich, well TS did work for the poetry published, Faber. @CeeDubbles, well the man on whose garage it was depicted seems happy with it.
	9:55am Neanderthal Head: sorry, didn't mean to do that @GST. i think i have that 'preachy' tendency, inherited from my lutheran dad. gift also means 'poison' in german.
	9:56am βrian: This goes well with this foggy day here on the isthmus.
	9:56am Emily: Yes, I have fmu on Sonos. You make it your radio station Hey Trouble! No more classes until the 14th! Woo hoo! (Grades still TD)
	9:57am Granny Spicy Tuna: It's 7 am here and still as dark as the middle of the night. SO ready to welcome back the sun's increase. So grateful to listen to this beautiful music on a dark morning with the rain and wind pounding against my little house. And Neanderthal Head: Ha ha! Love it.
	9:57am karlward: ARTHUR RUSSELL FOREVER
	9:58am bobdoesthings: @emily - ahh I didn't see that "tunein radio" option.. i .thought that was some silly app service.. but i clicked it and now I got the Modern World in my office! huzzzah!
	9:59am melinda: I used to make cookies for family in lieu of xmas gifts but now we all have dietary restrictions that don't include the cookies of yore so I buy gifts instead.
	9:59am Trouble: bonjour @emily! we need to see each other; soon!
	10:00am EG_Astro: <3 arthur russell <3
	10:00am Trouble: wow @roberto! that is crazy, and proves how truly unpredictable it all is...
	10:01am Granny Spicy Tuna: @melinda: my sweetie always jokes about making "chaff bon bons" however i suspect there are folx who can't eat chaff, either.
	10:02am melinda: Is Sonos available without Alexa? I'm considering it but draw the line at surveillance features.
	10:02am zpulpa: I have been falling in love with these just released compositions. arthurrussell.bandcamp.com...
	10:03am melinda: @Granny haha! Yes, some people would be sensitive to chaff.
	10:04am zpulpa: actually just new to me.. but so beautiful
	10:04am Passaic River Blues: @Karlward: Indeed. Arthur Russell Eternal. @Zpulpa: Oh shit! I completely forgot about those recent re-issues. Thank you for the link.
	10:04am JakeGould: Hi Trouble… But… My eyes!!!
	10:05am βrian: Love that mountain hollerin', there.
	10:07am Emily: Just watched the McQueen doc. McQueen used Michael Nyman music—so did the doc. I was ambivalent about his music before—but it’s super dramatic and over the top like McQueen
	10:10am Trouble: interesting article here about cashless trend: www.njspotlight.com...
	10:12am Neanderthal Head: lookin' for love in all the wrong places...
	10:12am Granny Spicy Tuna: @Trouble: Oy! I try to always pay with cash, and recall the first time i was told, "this is a cash-free environment." I felt pretty old and freaked out by This Modern World!
	10:13am βrian: Paying with cash is a good way to not have your PIN or other credentials stolen.
	10:13am Neanderthal Head: this could be my favorite song of 2018.
	10:14am SSS: Goodness gracious! Sometimes, at this time of year, I like to advise to remember, we are not squirrels, and should not panic at the low light time of year.
	10:15am SSS: Although of course, I do not think the squirrels are panicking.
	10:16am Linda Lee: i've yet to enter a cash-free environment. @SSS ~ there's actually good reason to dread the darkness when one really doesn't feel safe. it's one of those awful things that make humans human.
	10:16am Brian in UK: @Emily this was Hotrod's tribute to McQ's on his demise. wfmu.org...
	10:16am Granny Spicy Tuna: Squirrels are too wise to panic. They are more likely hibernating.
	10:17am Linda Lee: but, wait! who are we to assume squirrels do or do not experience squirrel-panic?
	10:17am sphere: DUB
	10:18am βrian: Squirrel picnics are much more fun.
	10:18am zpulpa: whoa Long Rally flash backs! I always want to hear this whole track, hurray!
	10:18am Ken From Hyde Park: On the road!
	10:18am SSS: Our big brains give us the choice to figure it out, or panic. The low light troubles me too, but I know it is temporary.
	10:18am Linda Lee: just found out that squirrels are like raccoons. they don't hibernate, but they do hunker down.
	10:19am steveo: ah yes zpulpa, my mind thought, oh this set is over already? (but i did not panic)
	10:20am SSS: I like to hear the squirrels barking, and love the way they nest in clumps of leaves high in the trees.
	10:20am Linda Lee: this is why i love Winter Solstice more than any other day. it's a gift of earthly grace.
	10:20am melinda: I like paying cash and am disturbed by the cashless trend. I went to a holiday fair recently and considered leaving my credit card at home when switching stuff over to a smaller wallet, decided to bring it and found that the only parking available for the event was payable through a credit-only kiosk. It just seems f-d up that I could have taken the day off work and waited in line to get into the parking lot only to have to leave due to no credit card, even with a wad of cash.
	10:20am βrian: I'm reminded of the good-sense proposal that the Post Office provide banking services: www.theatlantic.com...
	10:20am Granny Spicy Tuna: We learn so much here, in the AccuZone…
	10:21am Tome: Home alone ! yea ,, not rubbing it in being many of you still out and about... Season's Greetings DJ Trouble and All too,, this is the show that always feels just so right !
	10:21am Adrian in London: Hello. Just back from lunch. Can't believe I missed The Blue Nile. I hope everyone is well.
	10:21am Passaic River Blues: This, indeed, is magica.
	10:21am Linda Lee: i like using cash as well. non-traceable. no interest on use. why should an entity outside the transaction make money on my transaction? never mind the surveillance stuff.
	10:22am Granny Spicy Tuna: @Linda Lee, beautifully said, and a sweet twist back to the concept of gifts in earlier discussion!
	10:22am Neanderthal Head: hunker (v.) "to squat, crouch," 1720, Scottish, of uncertain origin, possibly a nasalized borrowing of a Scandinavian word such as Old Norse huka "to crouch," hoka, hokra "to crawl." Hunker down, Southern U.S. dialectal phrase, is from 1902, popularized c. 1965; in this use the verb is perhaps from northern British hunker "haunch." Related: Hunkered; hunkering.
	10:23am Linda Lee: yes. this is what i'm doing this winter. hunkering down. mountain winters are roughish.
	10:23am Linda Lee: i like your mind, Granny. :-)
	10:23am SSS: I like the debit card attached to my bank account. Saves the effort and fuel use of going to the bank itself, and cash can be gotten with it.
	10:24am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Gift Ideas: 1. Dollar Tree has hardcover and paperback books that are interesting leftovers for $1!!! I got a great book about Hollywood's best stuntman that actually looked like Harrison Ford! 2. Major book chain Indigo (Chapters?) in Canada had some very nice hardcovers for $8 and $5. Wow!
	10:24am Dave in Vermont: killin' it today, Trouble. So thankful i now work in a place that not only lets me play FMU, but often enjoys it. major quality of life improvement here.
	10:25am Granny Spicy Tuna: Why can't the Accu comments accurately place my reply next to the comment i'm responding to? Though i am quite fond of non sequiturs.
	10:25am Linda Lee: @SSS - yes. that's what i use too. acceptable in most places i deal with.
	10:25am glenn: indigo and chapters are part of the same chain.
	10:25am TomDash: Mornin' Trouble. Digging the show, as always - LOVE this Creations Unlimited heavy jam - perfect with my morning coffee!
	10:26am Linda Lee: someday we'll have nesting comments! but not yet. :-D
	10:26am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Creations Unlimited is like the background music whenever a documentary seques into "....Then, in 1967 during the Summer of Love". I was born in the Spring of Love, May. Heh. @Glenn-Indigo is supposedly not making money. It seems to be a mish mosh of things for sale.
	10:27am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: I am such a bastard-I go to well curated bookstores, then check same books out of library. One very interesting book in the store just turned out to be a B minus or even C plus book.
	10:27am βrian: I'm pretty sure 1967 didn't even happen until 1971.
	10:28am Linda Lee: Wild Neil, there's nothing bastardly about supporting your local library. nothing.
	10:30am Linda Lee: i'll support a library a thousand times before a dollar store.
	10:33am Lixiviated Life: @ LindaLee I second that. In fact, my local library sells used books so... win - win
	10:33am Granny Spicy Tuna: Linda Lee, can you imagine how chaotic it would be to keep up with nesting comments? I'm already distracted enough! hee hee
	10:34am Sem: Good morning, Trouble and all living in the Modern World. Sunny, sunny day here on the shores of the mighty Bay of Fundy.
	10:36am βrian: That's why I'm annoyed by Amazon links for books in public forums — as opposed to a WorldCat link to help you find it in a library.
	10:37am melinda: @Brian Amazon is taking over.
	10:39am bobdoesthings: @melinda - *already has
	10:41am prudy: thanks, trouble for this Nina Simone remix. Lovin it!
	10:44am Trouble: @emily: i will have to watch that! merci
	10:45am jt: Cash is king... There was a NY times article about the same subject recently, seems to block out the poor, or those who's credit is in dispute. Seems there is a corporation somewhere who will lose money on a cash transaction (they make 2% per sale!) so of course the are against it. With a "credit" purchase there is a third commodity beside what is being (1) purchased the fee (2) for the purchase itself there is (3) the INFORMATION about the purchase which, like it or not, becomes a commodity: what you bought/ where you bought it /who bought it
	10:46am Trouble: thanks @dave in vermont, TomDash!
	10:48am jt: besides my rant, that Jim Clements number, the advice song, ugh ... ( just give up) devastating!
	10:49am coelacanth∅: jt your rant is spot on.
	10:52am melinda: Agree jt.
	10:52am Passaic River Blues: @JT: I hear you there. Visa and MasterCard charge interchange fees to merchants for the use of credit and debit payment cards (most of the fee goes to the bank that issued the credit or debit card, some goes to Visa/MC, and a small sliver goes to the company that the merchant uses to link into the Visa/MC system). The interchange fees range from ~1.5% for basic credit to 3% for high-end rewards or commercial cards. Cash "costs" merchants money (storage, armored car services, employee theft, etc.) but generally costs way less than credit or debit. Still, some merchants believe savings from not accepting cash outweigh lost sales (and they may be also receiving incentives and/or better rates from networks, but I don't know that). It's a pernicious development to my thinking, leading inevitably to greater dominance by the networks and banks. Conclusion: I hate banks.
	10:53am βrian: Cashless transactions: "What? You're on food stamps and you bought some music? No more food stamps for you!"
	10:55am Granny Spicy Tuna: Betty Davis is the antidote for all ills.
	11:01am melinda: @PRB it is pernicious. I wish more people felt the way we do here in accu. In the article about the pending NJ legislation they brought up discrimination against people with no credit or bad credit, which is an issue, but it irritates me that they don't see the larger picture of network and bank dominance.
	11:01am bobdoesthings: cashless stores seems like the first step in reprogramming the population to getting a chip implant.
	11:02am Granny Spicy Tuna: I'm still looking out for a cashless panhandler. I think it could happen in San Francisco.
	11:02am Brian in UK: Drawing the curtains and it is only 4PM. Cashless pub opened over here recently..
	11:02am kevlicki: Oooh, I’m gonna read this thread, i CANT STAND NO CASH ESTABLISHMENTS, it’s classist and effed up.
	11:04am kevlicki: And then they track ALL the data of your purchases and places of purchase. It’s intense surveillance
	11:04am sugarwolf: I can’t bring myself to use a card for a purchase less than $20
	11:04am βrian: I have to admit paper checks drive me crazy, especially when the customer waits to hear the total before even pulling out the check book.
	11:04am Granny Spicy Tuna: Make a stink!
	11:04am Brian in UK: @GST not quite but almost. www.bigissue.com...
	11:05am Patrick: lol plenty of places in Chicago and the midwest that are still 'Cash Only'
	11:05am Tom Y.: Hi, Trouble. Hitting all the notes, as usual. Thanks again for providing the perfect soundtrack for art-making and bringing up some issues of the day, eg. salad and cash. It was a thrill to meet you on Saturday, after all these years.
	11:06am bobdoesthings: The flipside is that establishing good credit can save you tens of thousands within your lifetime on major purchases and reduced rates.
	11:06am Trouble: hey @tom: you too!
	11:07am The Oscar: The most mind-boggling thing to me is the American Express push for "Small Business Saturdays," when they give rewards to people who use their AmEx card at stores which can't afford to pay AmEx's outrageous fees.
	11:07am larry of lackawack: Goldman Says, "Banks are self regulating!"
	11:07am Ike: I applaud the cash-only establishments -- they're cheaper because none of the price of anything is going to Visa, AmEx, etc. All stores should be allowed to charge extra for a CC transaction too, because otherwise we're ALL subsidizing CC fees even when we pay cash.
	11:07am Granny Spicy Tuna: Betty Davis chased out the demons and Ravi Shankar applies the soothing balm.
	11:08am The Oscar: Also "Cash Only" is still far more common here in Boston. Or maybe that just speaks more to the kind of businesses I frequent.
	11:08am melinda: I work in a leather goods store and sometimes get asked if we take credit cards, but no one asks if we take cash, which is interesting because a business that sells bags for $100 and higher wouldn't last if they only accepted cash. But I like to think they're asking because there are more cash-only businesses out there and fewer cashless.
	11:08am βrian: @Patrick. That's the case in Madison. Weirdly, such places often have dicey little money machines on the premises that collect fees.
	11:09am coelacanth∅: my favorite café has a sign by the register saying they prefer credit cards. i asked why and the owner said it's easier, which, knowing what a scatterbrain she is i believe is the reason; but probably only part of it. if they go cashless (which is possible. they've already got table beepers - or vibrators..i don't know because i refuse to take them) i will lose my favorite café; and they will lose me.
	11:09am coelacanth∅: ...the only bar i go to is cash only.
	11:09am kevlicki: From a 2015 study “In total, 360,000 households in New York City are unbanked and 780,000 are underbanked. The Bronx has the highest share of unbanked (21.8 percent) and underbanked (30.5 percent) households. Staten Island has the lowest share of unbanked households (7.2 percent) and is on par with Manhattan for the lowest share of underbanked households (18.8 percent)” https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/71511/2000430-Where-Are-the-Unbanked-and-Underbanked-in-New-York-City.pdf
	11:10am Patrick: @ike, actually it is illegal in alot of places to charge a fee for using a CC. which is prob a good thing @brian, oh yeah almost all of them have those 'off brand' ATMs...
	11:12am Ike: @Patrick, that's just how Visa, AmEx, etc. want it. They push those laws. They don't want their 3% fee passed on to only the customers who pay the fees. So instead, it's buried in the cost of everything at CC-accepting stores, and everybody pays it, including cash payers.
	11:13am northguineahills: In Brooklyn, half the businesses I went to were cash only. Here, almost all take a card. Since my bank is 7km away, I rarely use cash, and leave the hobos disappointed (the state prison 70 km north drops off the released prisoners here on I-75, so, we got many hobos)
	11:13am βrian: I notice at one cash-only restaurant here they usually don't ring up transactions, but just pop open the cash drawer for change.
	11:13am Ike: *They don't want their 3% fee passed on to only the customers who use CCs. (Eek.)
	11:15am kevlicki: I work for a farm where the profit margins can be real close, using a POS system would diminish that to even less. It’s less of a big deal to ask for cash in NYC where you can throw a rock in any direction and hit an ATM or chase branch. It’s odd going to the yuppie ice cream place-Van Leuwen, or Dig In and being told I can’t use money, cash, legal tender, aren’t they required to accept it?
	11:16am Granny Spicy Tuna: Wow, they managed to improve the worst song from "5000 Fingers!"
	11:16am northguineahills: Even the merch at DIY shows here w/ maybe 20 in the audience take cards...
	11:16am Ike: Unbanked or underbanked? Find a credit union that charges fewer fees! www.asmarterchoice.org...
	11:17am βrian: @kevlicki: technically, not required from what I understand.
	11:18am βrian: And I thought that regulations had changed to allow merchants to add card fees.
	11:20am melinda: According to the article Trouble linked above only Massachusetts requires that businesses accept cash.
	11:22am Passaic River Blues: @Brian: Visa and MC rules now permit merchants to surcharge CC transactions but only if the merchant applies the same surcharge across all card types in all instances (Amex, V, MC, Discover, JCB, etc.). There are some monetary limits to how much a merchant surcharge, I believe. However, these rules are pre-empted in at least 10 or so states that prohibit surcharging.
	11:22am Warwick joe: Oh yeah, some easy danceable Ariel pink Niceeeeeee(swaying over here)
	11:23am steveo: Banks also charge fees to business for processing cash. this came up when our food co-op was implementing card payment. End result: cash and debit are accepted, but not credit cards. IIRC, debit is cheaper for the co-op than cash.
	11:23am Ike: @βrian, as of 2016: www.ncsl.org... Thanks PRB, I didn't know that part!
	11:25am steve portland: appreciating the social justice and male salad eater talk
	11:26am Ike: @steveo, that blows! What are the fees like? Does it add up to anywhere near 3%?
	11:26am Passaic River Blues: @Steveo: Debit rates, unlike credit rates, are regulated by the Federal Reserve. The regulation came in the Financial Reform Act after the 2008-2009 Global Shitasm. Small banks and credit unions are largely exempted but the majority of debit cards have regulated rates.
	11:29am steveo: Not only do the cash payers end up sharing the costs of the fees, cards that give "cash back" to the card users are effectively taking money from cash patrons and giving it to credit patrons. @PRB cool, thanks @Ike i tried searching the co-op newsletter archives, but they seem to be incomplete -- i just remember that cash and debit are cheaper than credit (and that's why we use them)
	11:29am The Oscar: @melinda That explains why this is the first I'm hearing of this phenomenon!
	11:30am Trouble: ny times article about this www.nytimes.com...
	11:36am David in London: It’s also hitting charity fund raising as people don’t even have the loose change for street donations now.
	11:37am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Park Slope Food Co-op used to only accept cash, and checks backed by member deposits (and EBT/food stamps). In the mid-2000's, started accepting pin-based debit cards. Not signature-based debit cards, not credit cards. Pin-based debit has lower bank fees than signature debit, and credit. Ever wonder why the credit card companies run advertisements and promotions to "go ahead and sign when the merchant gives you an option!"? It's because the bank gets a bigger fee if you sign instead of using a pin. Angelica Kitchen (RIP) in Manhattan never accepted cards in all its years. They had a little diagram in the menu showing the money that would fly away to the bank instead of going to the restaurant, suppliers and farmers. All these transaction fees just make the banks fatter, and the costs are bourne entirely by the consumers (because merchants have to build the cost into their higher prices). The pitch from the banks to the merchants is that they've so well conditioned consumers to only use cards, that you'll lose so many sales if you don't take cards, you'll lose more than the bank fees. So, the bank propaganda to the consumers combines with the bank propaganda to the merchants, and both lose.
	11:37am Granny Spicy Tuna: Now this is some powerful kirtan.
	11:38am prudy: thanks for the info re methods of payment. such bs. Luckily where I live there's no such thing as card only merchants. But its the same od shit where the people least able to afford it get screwed.
	11:38am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): (Maybe Angelica accepted credit cards right before they folded, actually. They were desperate while their rent was skyrocketing.)
	11:38am bobdoesthings: @Kenzo - I'm part of the coop! Didn't know about the pin-debit vs signing.. interesting
	11:38am Passaic River Blues: @Kenzo & Prudy: Word.
	11:40am prudy: anyone know if there are any plans to rebuild Coltrane's ashram in CA?
	11:40am steveo: park slope is also the food co-op i belong to -- I have seen at least 2 other fmu djs in there...)
	11:42am steveo: (personal style guide: "the Park Slope Food Coop is a food co-op")
	11:42am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): And rewards cards, miles cards, premium cards - every credit card that has extra monetary bonuses to the consumer, just charges higher fees to the merchant when those cards are used. Higher than the benefit to the consumer, of course. So the consumer winds up spending more in the long run (thanks to the upward push on merchant prices it causes).
	11:42am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @steveo ;)
	11:42am WillCrete: Much love for that Asnakech Worku / Alice Coltrane pairing there. True voices there.
	11:43am βrian: Not a Food Coöp?
	11:43am steveo: only if you work for the New Yorker
	11:45am blee: Really enjoy the melancholy of Aubrey Levinthal's painting you have showcased here. The textures of her paintings are very inspirational on her website. I really like the awkwardness of them too. Thanks again, DJ Trouble. www.aubreylevinthal.com...
	11:46am prudy: Loving lonnie holley
	11:46am βrian: My dictionary has neither hyphen nor dieresis: "cooperative."
	11:48am Trouble: thanks for sitting in this morning. see you next week!
	11:49am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Update for stevo's guide: "The Park Slope Food Coop is a cooperative food co-op."
	11:49am zpulpa: Thank you Trouble! This was the calming morning sound track I needed.
	11:50am bobdoesthings: Thanks trouble!
	11:51am Ken From Hyde Park: Is the NYC subway system going cashless? Some system where you pay with your phone? If you have no smart phone, you are sunk.
	11:52am stevëo: that's how i'd do it, kenzo. i can accept other variations from others who feel strongly, however :)
	11:52am steveo: thanks, Trouble!
	11:53am Listening Out There: I am here. Am I in trouble?
	11:53am βrian: My phone is app-free.
	11:53am rw: There are other apps?
	11:54am coelacanth∅: yeah i don't have "apps" on my phone either.
	11:54am Mick: Thanks for the music and the credit card education today. The cashless store idea has made me bonkers since the first time I heard of it.
	11:55am Passaic River Blues: Thank you, Trouble!
	11:56am melinda: Thanks Trub!
	11:56am glenn: what's with the trash panda hatred?
	11:57am northguineahills: I allow my neighbors' cats and dogs to roam my yard, so, I have no critter problems.
	11:57am Adrian in London: Thanks Trouble. And have a lovely Christmas!
	11:57am northguineahills: Thanks Trouble!
	11:57am βrian: In my experience, raccoons can support substantial colonies of fleas.
	11:58am northguineahills: I have WFMU and a weather app.... (couldn't listen otherwise.)
	11:58am Greg from ZONE 5: Thanks, Trouble!
	11:58am Trouble: merci @adrian. merry christmas to you too!
	11:58am sphere: raccoons are also pretty destructive. thanks Trouble!
	11:59am coelacanth∅: i have ground hogs under the porch, birds in the roof above the porch and chipmunks somewhere that ate all my tomatoes. i like it.
	11:59am βrian: Merci, DJ Trouble.
	12:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Trouble
	12:00pm Brian in UK: Trouble, have a peaceful Christmas.

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December 20, 2018: sticky saliva to attach food to tree branches

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Format	New	Approx. start time
julia holter	chaitus "chaitus" by "julia holter"	aviary	domino			*	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
the blue nile	holy love-picture mix	peace at last					0:08:17 (Pop-up)
performer unknown	taqsim (improvisation) /damascus, syria	Paris to Calcutta: Men and Music on the Desert Road	sublime frequencies			*	0:11:36 (Pop-up)
jane antonia cornish	wave cycles "wave cycles" by "jane antonia cornish"	constellations	innova			*	0:19:34 (Pop-up)
brian eno	2/2 "2/2" by "brian eno"	ambient 1: music for airports					0:25:30 (Pop-up)
TS Eliot	Journey of the Magi from the Ariel poems	essential eliot					0:35:19 (Pop-up)

erin costelo	lights down low "lights down low" by "erin costelo"	sweet marie	venue/factor			*	0:42:24 (Pop-up)
michael nyman	book depository "book depository" by "michael nyman"	ost the cook, the thief, his wife and her lover					0:45:14 (Pop-up)
Sigur Rós	lightseed two "lightseed two" by "Sigur Rós"	liminal 3					0:50:48 (Pop-up)
arthur russell	you and me both "you and me both" by "arthur russell"	calling out of context					0:56:09 (Pop-up)
mike fazio	traveling south by southwest just me and my baby in a pink cadillac ( big hit single)	The Vast Apart (A Collection of Arcane Scenarios - Volume Two)	faith strange recordings			*	1:00:13 (Pop-up)

marie-paule belle	nous ne serons jamais plus seuls	marie-paule belle					1:05:58 (Pop-up)
Jim Clements	the advice song ( just give up)	a failure	jim clements music			*	1:09:34 (Pop-up)
dontells	moaning and crying "moaning and crying" by "dontells"	an alternate history of popular music v/a					1:13:47 (Pop-up)
the jahlights	right road to dubland	Jonny Greenwood Is The Controller v/a					1:16:32 (Pop-up)
winter & triptides	tempo "tempo" by "winter & triptides"	estrela magica	oar			*	1:20:00 (Pop-up)
Creations Unlimited	crystal illusion	an alternate history of popular music v/a					1:22:54 (Pop-up)
domenico	peteleco zum "peteleco zum" by "domenico"	Cine Privê					1:26:05 (Pop-up)
insecure men	subaru nights "subaru nights" by "insecure men"	insecure men				*	1:30:52 (Pop-up)
peaking lights	bad with the good "bad with the good" by "peaking lights"	cosmic logic					1:36:00 (Pop-up)
nina simone	little girl blue postal service remix	verve remixed3 v/a					1:42:56 (Pop-up)
peter bjorn and john	gut feeling "gut feeling" by "peter bjorn and john"	darker days	ingrid			*	1:45:17 (Pop-up)
bixiga 70	camelo "camelo" by "bixiga 70"	Quebra-Cabeça	glitterbeat			*	1:48:44 (Pop-up)
betty davis	ooh yea "ooh yea" by "betty davis"	betty davis					1:53:43 (Pop-up)

ravi shankar	raga: mishra-mand "raga: mishra-mand" by "ravi shankar"	first lp record of ravi shankar			CD		2:05:33 (Pop-up)
people like us	zoetrope/feel it steal it	the mirror	cutting hedge			*	2:12:17 (Pop-up)
part time	i can treat you better ( feat ariel pink)	spell #6	burger			*	2:18:57 (Pop-up)
ted taylor four	farrago "farrago" by "ted taylor four"	Soho Blondes & Peeping Toms! Saucy Vocals and Piquant Pop from the 50s and 60s	Croydon Municipal				2:23:09 (Pop-up)
sekou bah	nge mounkila "nge mounkila" by "sekou bah"	soukabbe mali	clermont music			*	2:26:00 (Pop-up)
Asnakech Worku	baynelay yidal "baynelay yidal" by "Asnakech Worku"	Askanech	Awesome Tapes from Africa	1975		*	2:28:41 (Pop-up)
alice coltrane	sivaya "sivaya" by "alice coltrane"	transcendence					2:35:12 (Pop-up)
jimmy hughes	It Ain't What You Got	fame: northern soul	ace/kent			*	2:39:58 (Pop-up)
lonnie holley	sometimes i wanna dance	MITH	jagjaguwar			*	2:42:39 (Pop-up)
gerard baque	toutes les nuits "toutes les nuits" by "gerard baque"	Beginner's Guide to French Pop Music (V/A)					2:49:10 (Pop-up)

akiko yano	itsuka ojisamaga "itsuka ojisamaga" by "akiko yano"	tadaima		1981		*	2:57:02 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:02am Aaron Working In Newark: Good Morning Trouble
	9:04am Morphe: No NeCROW info or graphics today........so far????
	9:04am Granny Spicy Tuna: Oh, every time i hear something from this Julia Holter album, i am enchanted.
	9:04am Granny Spicy Tuna: and @Morphe, thanks again for the great links, gonna check out that book for sure.
	9:05am The Oscar: Mornin'! Research tells me this is probably not Christmas music, but that's how my brain is processing it. It works!
	9:05am Morphe: Pardon T - i meant to say hello and thanks 1st!!!!!!!!!
	9:05am steveo: good morning Trouble & world
	9:06am Dances with Moomins: Good Morning Trouble and the Mods. Deepest DARKEST December days now, but snowy in Turku ! Merry Happy Garden State
	9:07am thatpatsmith: happy solstice eve trubble bubbles
	9:08am sphere: hullo all.
	9:09am Morphe: GrannyST = Hope this is not PlayList abuse... a cut and paste below from the last secs of W&B - Thanks trouble.. On the road ..happytrails GrannyST: I am into hiking up mountains with no equipment/walking/maps and real compasses. A great book about old paths: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jul/02/old-ways-robert-macfarlane-review
	9:10am kevlicki: Happy end of the year trouble and all. I will be jumping for joy when the days begin getting longer again!
	9:11am melinda: hi everyone!
	9:13am Trouble: good morning solstice-eve-rs! thank you @dances with moomins for my fab finnish holiday card! love to all your sweet moomins!
	9:13am steveo: @Morphe that looks interesting; did you read the first two books in the trilogy? is that necessary?
	9:13am Dances with Moomins: good thing today's accu text isn't in BRIGHT fusia!
	9:14am Trouble: music alert; there will be no christmas music today. why would i play music for a holiday that is so very far away??? yes, i am in denial
	9:14am Aaron Working In Newark: Hi Melinda!
	9:16am EG_Astro: Good morning trouble & everyone! The painting selection goes well with today's playlist title, which i love.
	9:17am Dances with Moomins: Sounds great to me so far! Hyvää Jouluä Ms. T Mr.T & the Icepack
	9:18am steveo: haha. denial is not a river in egypt. maybe this is solstice music?
	9:19am Morphe: Steveo & GrannyST: never knew it was a trilogy?? It stands alone. He has a new book about lost country words. There is a word for the wee hole small animals (ferrets, badgers, etc..) make in the bottom of a hedge to get from field to field:"SMEUSE" ..truly out the door must go south for proper chilies for tonight's salsa..
	9:19am Sigurður: ?
	9:20am Stanley: Balls to Christmas
	9:20am Peter in SEA: Good morning Trouble and troubled friends! Last day of classes out here on the left coast!
	9:22am 我家: Greetings from the opposite side of the globe.
	9:23am Granny Spicy Tuna: 我家 hello! welcome to this friendly space
	9:25am SSS: OOhhh, deep pink on grey......I like it, and readable
	9:29am steveo: cool Morphe, thanks; I just put a hold on at the library :)
	9:29am Lixiviated Life: I sense the theme is: Winter Is Coming
	9:31am Webhamster Henry: Merry Eno, everyone.
	9:31am Lixiviated Life: loving the despondent tulips. they surrender to entropy. awaiting transformation.
	9:32am Linda Lee: still lots of color there ... not the usual when they're that far gone.
	9:33am Linda Lee: nice palette though!
	9:34am Linda Lee: i'm not sorry we won't hear Christmas music on the show today.
	9:34am Brian in UK: Hello Trouble. Hoping to see the Klimt/Schiele exhibition in London sometime.
	9:35am northguineahills: verdammt, Henry beat me to it!
	9:35am Granny Spicy Tuna: Linda Lee, you know i second that emotion. And i shun not Eno, as well.
	9:35am Lixiviated Life: we dont lose color in decay. it only changes. more subtle. as we grow fragile.
	9:36am Linda Lee: i'm fairly successfully ignoring a holiday that mainly exists for retail, at this point.
	9:36am Roberto: @Trouble - anything new to report? :P
	9:37am melinda: I was just reminded of something that sampled "the camel man cursing and running" but I can't remember what it is.
	9:37am SSS: The only Christmas music I like is Dylan's Christmas album....cannot stop laughing when hearing it, jaded jew that I am
	9:37am Linda Lee: we do not hear enough good spoken word on FMU now. i think we should hear one good poem for every dopey phone call.
	9:37am Neanderthal Head: for the retailers that's no doubt true.
	9:38am Trouble: we will not be meeting up in phiily for vegan food@roberto. on to round 2 of the dehumanizing process
	9:38am Lixiviated Life: Shun ye not Eno for modulation alone shalt liberate thou from damnation.
	9:38am Granny Spicy Tuna: Linda Lee, i have, as well, and am blissfully out of all of the hollerdaze loops, except for my attendance at a small ceremony tomorrow afternoon to welcome the return of the light.
	9:38am Linda Lee: it's hard to imagine any aspect of american life that isn't for business, at this point. so tiresome.
	9:39am Roberto: Ugh. So sorry. Believe me, I know how it goes :(
	9:39am Linda Lee: nice!! told ya, Solstice is the day for me. where are you going?
	9:40am The Oscar: As a kid, one of my favorite books was a copy of Eliot's "Book of Practical Cats" illustrated by Edward Gorey. As far as I was concerned, he was a children's author.
	9:41am Webhamster Henry: We are Solsticers!
	9:41am Linda Lee: i'd imagine the stress surrounding this holiday is literally killing people.
	9:42am Neanderthal Head: i agree, of course, which is why people do stuff like make granola. it's up to us.
	9:42am northguineahills: I got my wife concert tix to shows via my wfmu friends. Blood family, I'll do it this weekend.
	9:42am Linda Lee: yes, tomorrow is Solstice!
	9:42am Roberto: Screw holiday shopping - that s is for kids anyway. I've never understood why adults feel the need to give each other gifts.
	9:43am Granny Spicy Tuna: Going to a friend's place down the road from me who offers sacred fire ceremonies at every Solstice and Equinox. There's a much bigger annual all night gathering of the Pagans on this island, however i'm sitting out that one.
	9:43am The Oscar: @Webhamster Henry I don't think I could even attempt to say that out loud without it coming out as "Soul Sisters"
	9:43am northguineahills: (they prefer material gifts, annoying problem AF)
	9:43am Neanderthal Head: hate to be the fly in the ointment, but gifting can be a wonderful thing, done in a certain spirit of course. i like shit i use.
	9:44am Trouble: thanks @roberto. it's a gamble!
	9:44am Webhamster Henry: Solstice: the sun stands still. At my latitude: Length of Visible Light 10 h 10 m Length of Day 9 h 7 m Tomorrow will be 0 minutes 4 seconds shorter
	9:44am sugarwerewolf: I made only one thing for Christmas and I'm not sure if it is going to fit.
	9:45am Linda Lee: @Granny, where are you again? i'd love showing up :-D
	9:45am Granny Spicy Tuna: When gifting becomes an obligation, it is no longer an act of joyful offering. I do shun as many obligations as i possibly can.
	9:46am Linda Lee: gifting is a beautiful thing for sure. but the pressure to gift on this holiday is just absurd.
	9:46am Granny Spicy Tuna: Linda Lee, i would so enjoy sharing that space with you. I'm across the continent, on Lopez Island, Washington.
	9:46am Lixiviated Life: I proclaim to all from atop the Palisades! Drop your ego! Strip off your holiday stress and let your heart run free and naked Up the down escalator at Macy's!
	9:46am Neanderthal Head: gifting is obligation by necessity, it could be. ask the anthropologists. anyway, i am obligated to the people i love.
	9:46am Brian in UK: I was listening to Dylan Thomas reading Return Journey to Swansea the other day. Guessing it was a kind of warm up for Under Milk Wood. DT loved words. Graffiti I saw on a pub wall many years ago 'I'm not anti-semantic, some of my best friends are words'.
	9:46am northguineahills: @Granny: dar-e mehr? (I always put a little Zoroastrianism in my holidays?)
	9:46am Linda Lee: that's right, you are. damn. :-D thank you hon.
	9:47am CeeDubbles: Saturday will bring us sunrise one minute earlier and sunset one minute later. That's the best 'present!'
	9:47am Trouble: excellent @brian in UK
	9:47am Roberto: It's much more competitive than it was in our day. FWIW, our kid was a double legacy and still didn't get into her first-round choice.
	9:47am Linda Lee: LL, please put that one on the Wake Answering Machine. :-)
	9:47am Webhamster Henry: @The Oscar Soul Sister Solsticers are thrifty gifters.
	9:47am Dances with Moomins: IF one feels compelled to buy gifts for friends and loved ones on whos' faces a smile to impart..shop at a book store. In fact shop at two or three or four...
	9:47am Linda Lee: i think so too, CeeDubbles.
	9:48am CeeDubbles: re: child's Christmas in Wales - what say you all to the latest Banksy installation?
	9:48am Granny Spicy Tuna: I suppose i am referring more to the contemporary connotation of the word "obligation" than the original definition of the word.
	9:49am ken in munich: Hi ,was that t.s. Himself reading? I love to hear poetry read by and englishman. Or almost english. He was born in st.louis, Missouri, but I love hearing him read, or whoever it was.
	9:50am bobdoesthings: goodmorning
	9:51am Lixiviated Life: i am getting zero work done today.
	9:51am melinda: I'm out of the loop for both xmas and solstice celebrations but I will light a few candles tomorrow.
	9:51am Granny Spicy Tuna: northguineahills: random trivia tidbit: when i was 11 i told my mother i wanted to change my last name. She gave me two choices for a new middle name, and one of them was Zoroaster. She gave no explanation of why. I chose Apollonia.
	9:52am Neanderthal Head: i get it, i think, and i don't disagree with the complaints - the stress is real. which for me is all the more reason to make meaning where i can or embrace it where it is. that may or may not involve money and stuff. this show and forum, for example.
	9:52am Trouble: yes@ken in munich, that was TS eliot reading his poem
	9:53am Andrea: Yes Michael Nyman. And yes to granola... you can do it!!! (and thank you also for not playing xmas)
	9:53am bobdoesthings: does anyone know if theres a way to add wfmu to sonos player? today is a rare day I think I can commandeer the sonos at work.. but seems like you need some url to input into the thing to add.. or does wfmu have their own widget/app thing?
	9:54am Granny Spicy Tuna: @ Neanderthal Head: i always appreciate an etymology lesson. :)
	9:54am Neanderthal Head: this is a brilliant set, by the way.
	9:55am Brian in UK: @ken in munich, well TS did work for the poetry published, Faber. @CeeDubbles, well the man on whose garage it was depicted seems happy with it.
	9:55am Neanderthal Head: sorry, didn't mean to do that @GST. i think i have that 'preachy' tendency, inherited from my lutheran dad. gift also means 'poison' in german.
	9:56am βrian: This goes well with this foggy day here on the isthmus.
	9:56am Emily: Yes, I have fmu on Sonos. You make it your radio station Hey Trouble! No more classes until the 14th! Woo hoo! (Grades still TD)
	9:57am Granny Spicy Tuna: It's 7 am here and still as dark as the middle of the night. SO ready to welcome back the sun's increase. So grateful to listen to this beautiful music on a dark morning with the rain and wind pounding against my little house. And Neanderthal Head: Ha ha! Love it.
	9:57am karlward: ARTHUR RUSSELL FOREVER
	9:58am bobdoesthings: @emily - ahh I didn't see that "tunein radio" option.. i .thought that was some silly app service.. but i clicked it and now I got the Modern World in my office! huzzzah!
	9:59am melinda: I used to make cookies for family in lieu of xmas gifts but now we all have dietary restrictions that don't include the cookies of yore so I buy gifts instead.
	9:59am Trouble: bonjour @emily! we need to see each other; soon!
	10:00am EG_Astro: <3 arthur russell <3
	10:00am Trouble: wow @roberto! that is crazy, and proves how truly unpredictable it all is...
	10:01am Granny Spicy Tuna: @melinda: my sweetie always jokes about making "chaff bon bons" however i suspect there are folx who can't eat chaff, either.
	10:02am melinda: Is Sonos available without Alexa? I'm considering it but draw the line at surveillance features.
	10:02am zpulpa: I have been falling in love with these just released compositions. arthurrussell.bandcamp.com...
	10:03am melinda: @Granny haha! Yes, some people would be sensitive to chaff.
	10:04am zpulpa: actually just new to me.. but so beautiful
	10:04am Passaic River Blues: @Karlward: Indeed. Arthur Russell Eternal. @Zpulpa: Oh shit! I completely forgot about those recent re-issues. Thank you for the link.
	10:04am JakeGould: Hi Trouble… But… My eyes!!!
	10:05am βrian: Love that mountain hollerin', there.
	10:07am Emily: Just watched the McQueen doc. McQueen used Michael Nyman music—so did the doc. I was ambivalent about his music before—but it’s super dramatic and over the top like McQueen
	10:10am Trouble: interesting article here about cashless trend: www.njspotlight.com...
	10:12am Neanderthal Head: lookin' for love in all the wrong places...
	10:12am Granny Spicy Tuna: @Trouble: Oy! I try to always pay with cash, and recall the first time i was told, "this is a cash-free environment." I felt pretty old and freaked out by This Modern World!
	10:13am βrian: Paying with cash is a good way to not have your PIN or other credentials stolen.
	10:13am Neanderthal Head: this could be my favorite song of 2018.
	10:14am SSS: Goodness gracious! Sometimes, at this time of year, I like to advise to remember, we are not squirrels, and should not panic at the low light time of year.
	10:15am SSS: Although of course, I do not think the squirrels are panicking.
	10:16am Linda Lee: i've yet to enter a cash-free environment. @SSS ~ there's actually good reason to dread the darkness when one really doesn't feel safe. it's one of those awful things that make humans human.
	10:16am Brian in UK: @Emily this was Hotrod's tribute to McQ's on his demise. wfmu.org...
	10:16am Granny Spicy Tuna: Squirrels are too wise to panic. They are more likely hibernating.
	10:17am Linda Lee: but, wait! who are we to assume squirrels do or do not experience squirrel-panic?
	10:17am sphere: DUB
	10:18am βrian: Squirrel picnics are much more fun.
	10:18am zpulpa: whoa Long Rally flash backs! I always want to hear this whole track, hurray!
	10:18am Ken From Hyde Park: On the road!
	10:18am SSS: Our big brains give us the choice to figure it out, or panic. The low light troubles me too, but I know it is temporary.
	10:18am Linda Lee: just found out that squirrels are like raccoons. they don't hibernate, but they do hunker down.
	10:19am steveo: ah yes zpulpa, my mind thought, oh this set is over already? (but i did not panic)
	10:20am SSS: I like to hear the squirrels barking, and love the way they nest in clumps of leaves high in the trees.
	10:20am Linda Lee: this is why i love Winter Solstice more than any other day. it's a gift of earthly grace.
	10:20am melinda: I like paying cash and am disturbed by the cashless trend. I went to a holiday fair recently and considered leaving my credit card at home when switching stuff over to a smaller wallet, decided to bring it and found that the only parking available for the event was payable through a credit-only kiosk. It just seems f-d up that I could have taken the day off work and waited in line to get into the parking lot only to have to leave due to no credit card, even with a wad of cash.
	10:20am βrian: I'm reminded of the good-sense proposal that the Post Office provide banking services: www.theatlantic.com...
	10:20am Granny Spicy Tuna: We learn so much here, in the AccuZone…
	10:21am Tome: Home alone ! yea ,, not rubbing it in being many of you still out and about... Season's Greetings DJ Trouble and All too,, this is the show that always feels just so right !
	10:21am Adrian in London: Hello. Just back from lunch. Can't believe I missed The Blue Nile. I hope everyone is well.
	10:21am Passaic River Blues: This, indeed, is magica.
	10:21am Linda Lee: i like using cash as well. non-traceable. no interest on use. why should an entity outside the transaction make money on my transaction? never mind the surveillance stuff.
	10:22am Granny Spicy Tuna: @Linda Lee, beautifully said, and a sweet twist back to the concept of gifts in earlier discussion!
	10:22am Neanderthal Head: hunker (v.) "to squat, crouch," 1720, Scottish, of uncertain origin, possibly a nasalized borrowing of a Scandinavian word such as Old Norse huka "to crouch," hoka, hokra "to crawl." Hunker down, Southern U.S. dialectal phrase, is from 1902, popularized c. 1965; in this use the verb is perhaps from northern British hunker "haunch." Related: Hunkered; hunkering.
	10:23am Linda Lee: yes. this is what i'm doing this winter. hunkering down. mountain winters are roughish.
	10:23am Linda Lee: i like your mind, Granny. :-)
	10:23am SSS: I like the debit card attached to my bank account. Saves the effort and fuel use of going to the bank itself, and cash can be gotten with it.
	10:24am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Gift Ideas: 1. Dollar Tree has hardcover and paperback books that are interesting leftovers for $1!!! I got a great book about Hollywood's best stuntman that actually looked like Harrison Ford! 2. Major book chain Indigo (Chapters?) in Canada had some very nice hardcovers for $8 and $5. Wow!
	10:24am Dave in Vermont: killin' it today, Trouble. So thankful i now work in a place that not only lets me play FMU, but often enjoys it. major quality of life improvement here.
	10:25am Granny Spicy Tuna: Why can't the Accu comments accurately place my reply next to the comment i'm responding to? Though i am quite fond of non sequiturs.
	10:25am Linda Lee: @SSS - yes. that's what i use too. acceptable in most places i deal with.
	10:25am glenn: indigo and chapters are part of the same chain.
	10:25am TomDash: Mornin' Trouble. Digging the show, as always - LOVE this Creations Unlimited heavy jam - perfect with my morning coffee!
	10:26am Linda Lee: someday we'll have nesting comments! but not yet. :-D
	10:26am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: Creations Unlimited is like the background music whenever a documentary seques into "....Then, in 1967 during the Summer of Love". I was born in the Spring of Love, May. Heh. @Glenn-Indigo is supposedly not making money. It seems to be a mish mosh of things for sale.
	10:27am Wild Neil\|\|Peace All: I am such a bastard-I go to well curated bookstores, then check same books out of library. One very interesting book in the store just turned out to be a B minus or even C plus book.
	10:27am βrian: I'm pretty sure 1967 didn't even happen until 1971.
	10:28am Linda Lee: Wild Neil, there's nothing bastardly about supporting your local library. nothing.
	10:30am Linda Lee: i'll support a library a thousand times before a dollar store.
	10:33am Lixiviated Life: @ LindaLee I second that. In fact, my local library sells used books so... win - win
	10:33am Granny Spicy Tuna: Linda Lee, can you imagine how chaotic it would be to keep up with nesting comments? I'm already distracted enough! hee hee
	10:34am Sem: Good morning, Trouble and all living in the Modern World. Sunny, sunny day here on the shores of the mighty Bay of Fundy.
	10:36am βrian: That's why I'm annoyed by Amazon links for books in public forums — as opposed to a WorldCat link to help you find it in a library.
	10:37am melinda: @Brian Amazon is taking over.
	10:39am bobdoesthings: @melinda - *already has
	10:41am prudy: thanks, trouble for this Nina Simone remix. Lovin it!
	10:44am Trouble: @emily: i will have to watch that! merci
	10:45am jt: Cash is king... There was a NY times article about the same subject recently, seems to block out the poor, or those who's credit is in dispute. Seems there is a corporation somewhere who will lose money on a cash transaction (they make 2% per sale!) so of course the are against it. With a "credit" purchase there is a third commodity beside what is being (1) purchased the fee (2) for the purchase itself there is (3) the INFORMATION about the purchase which, like it or not, becomes a commodity: what you bought/ where you bought it /who bought it
	10:46am Trouble: thanks @dave in vermont, TomDash!
	10:48am jt: besides my rant, that Jim Clements number, the advice song, ugh ... ( just give up) devastating!
	10:49am coelacanth∅: jt your rant is spot on.
	10:52am melinda: Agree jt.
	10:52am Passaic River Blues: @JT: I hear you there. Visa and MasterCard charge interchange fees to merchants for the use of credit and debit payment cards (most of the fee goes to the bank that issued the credit or debit card, some goes to Visa/MC, and a small sliver goes to the company that the merchant uses to link into the Visa/MC system). The interchange fees range from ~1.5% for basic credit to 3% for high-end rewards or commercial cards. Cash "costs" merchants money (storage, armored car services, employee theft, etc.) but generally costs way less than credit or debit. Still, some merchants believe savings from not accepting cash outweigh lost sales (and they may be also receiving incentives and/or better rates from networks, but I don't know that). It's a pernicious development to my thinking, leading inevitably to greater dominance by the networks and banks. Conclusion: I hate banks.
	10:53am βrian: Cashless transactions: "What? You're on food stamps and you bought some music? No more food stamps for you!"
	10:55am Granny Spicy Tuna: Betty Davis is the antidote for all ills.
	11:01am melinda: @PRB it is pernicious. I wish more people felt the way we do here in accu. In the article about the pending NJ legislation they brought up discrimination against people with no credit or bad credit, which is an issue, but it irritates me that they don't see the larger picture of network and bank dominance.
	11:01am bobdoesthings: cashless stores seems like the first step in reprogramming the population to getting a chip implant.
	11:02am Granny Spicy Tuna: I'm still looking out for a cashless panhandler. I think it could happen in San Francisco.
	11:02am Brian in UK: Drawing the curtains and it is only 4PM. Cashless pub opened over here recently..
	11:02am kevlicki: Oooh, I’m gonna read this thread, i CANT STAND NO CASH ESTABLISHMENTS, it’s classist and effed up.
	11:04am kevlicki: And then they track ALL the data of your purchases and places of purchase. It’s intense surveillance
	11:04am sugarwolf: I can’t bring myself to use a card for a purchase less than $20
	11:04am βrian: I have to admit paper checks drive me crazy, especially when the customer waits to hear the total before even pulling out the check book.
	11:04am Granny Spicy Tuna: Make a stink!
	11:04am Brian in UK: @GST not quite but almost. www.bigissue.com...
	11:05am Patrick: lol plenty of places in Chicago and the midwest that are still 'Cash Only'
	11:05am Tom Y.: Hi, Trouble. Hitting all the notes, as usual. Thanks again for providing the perfect soundtrack for art-making and bringing up some issues of the day, eg. salad and cash. It was a thrill to meet you on Saturday, after all these years.
	11:06am bobdoesthings: The flipside is that establishing good credit can save you tens of thousands within your lifetime on major purchases and reduced rates.
	11:06am Trouble: hey @tom: you too!
	11:07am The Oscar: The most mind-boggling thing to me is the American Express push for "Small Business Saturdays," when they give rewards to people who use their AmEx card at stores which can't afford to pay AmEx's outrageous fees.
	11:07am larry of lackawack: Goldman Says, "Banks are self regulating!"
	11:07am Ike: I applaud the cash-only establishments -- they're cheaper because none of the price of anything is going to Visa, AmEx, etc. All stores should be allowed to charge extra for a CC transaction too, because otherwise we're ALL subsidizing CC fees even when we pay cash.
	11:07am Granny Spicy Tuna: Betty Davis chased out the demons and Ravi Shankar applies the soothing balm.
	11:08am The Oscar: Also "Cash Only" is still far more common here in Boston. Or maybe that just speaks more to the kind of businesses I frequent.
	11:08am melinda: I work in a leather goods store and sometimes get asked if we take credit cards, but no one asks if we take cash, which is interesting because a business that sells bags for $100 and higher wouldn't last if they only accepted cash. But I like to think they're asking because there are more cash-only businesses out there and fewer cashless.
	11:08am βrian: @Patrick. That's the case in Madison. Weirdly, such places often have dicey little money machines on the premises that collect fees.
	11:09am coelacanth∅: my favorite café has a sign by the register saying they prefer credit cards. i asked why and the owner said it's easier, which, knowing what a scatterbrain she is i believe is the reason; but probably only part of it. if they go cashless (which is possible. they've already got table beepers - or vibrators..i don't know because i refuse to take them) i will lose my favorite café; and they will lose me.
	11:09am coelacanth∅: ...the only bar i go to is cash only.
	11:09am kevlicki: From a 2015 study “In total, 360,000 households in New York City are unbanked and 780,000 are underbanked. The Bronx has the highest share of unbanked (21.8 percent) and underbanked (30.5 percent) households. Staten Island has the lowest share of unbanked households (7.2 percent) and is on par with Manhattan for the lowest share of underbanked households (18.8 percent)” https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/71511/2000430-Where-Are-the-Unbanked-and-Underbanked-in-New-York-City.pdf
	11:10am Patrick: @ike, actually it is illegal in alot of places to charge a fee for using a CC. which is prob a good thing @brian, oh yeah almost all of them have those 'off brand' ATMs...
	11:12am Ike: @Patrick, that's just how Visa, AmEx, etc. want it. They push those laws. They don't want their 3% fee passed on to only the customers who pay the fees. So instead, it's buried in the cost of everything at CC-accepting stores, and everybody pays it, including cash payers.
	11:13am northguineahills: In Brooklyn, half the businesses I went to were cash only. Here, almost all take a card. Since my bank is 7km away, I rarely use cash, and leave the hobos disappointed (the state prison 70 km north drops off the released prisoners here on I-75, so, we got many hobos)
	11:13am βrian: I notice at one cash-only restaurant here they usually don't ring up transactions, but just pop open the cash drawer for change.
	11:13am Ike: *They don't want their 3% fee passed on to only the customers who use CCs. (Eek.)
	11:15am kevlicki: I work for a farm where the profit margins can be real close, using a POS system would diminish that to even less. It’s less of a big deal to ask for cash in NYC where you can throw a rock in any direction and hit an ATM or chase branch. It’s odd going to the yuppie ice cream place-Van Leuwen, or Dig In and being told I can’t use money, cash, legal tender, aren’t they required to accept it?
	11:16am Granny Spicy Tuna: Wow, they managed to improve the worst song from "5000 Fingers!"
	11:16am northguineahills: Even the merch at DIY shows here w/ maybe 20 in the audience take cards...
	11:16am Ike: Unbanked or underbanked? Find a credit union that charges fewer fees! www.asmarterchoice.org...
	11:17am βrian: @kevlicki: technically, not required from what I understand.
	11:18am βrian: And I thought that regulations had changed to allow merchants to add card fees.
	11:20am melinda: According to the article Trouble linked above only Massachusetts requires that businesses accept cash.
	11:22am Passaic River Blues: @Brian: Visa and MC rules now permit merchants to surcharge CC transactions but only if the merchant applies the same surcharge across all card types in all instances (Amex, V, MC, Discover, JCB, etc.). There are some monetary limits to how much a merchant surcharge, I believe. However, these rules are pre-empted in at least 10 or so states that prohibit surcharging.
	11:22am Warwick joe: Oh yeah, some easy danceable Ariel pink Niceeeeeee(swaying over here)
	11:23am steveo: Banks also charge fees to business for processing cash. this came up when our food co-op was implementing card payment. End result: cash and debit are accepted, but not credit cards. IIRC, debit is cheaper for the co-op than cash.
	11:23am Ike: @βrian, as of 2016: www.ncsl.org... Thanks PRB, I didn't know that part!
	11:25am steve portland: appreciating the social justice and male salad eater talk
	11:26am Ike: @steveo, that blows! What are the fees like? Does it add up to anywhere near 3%?
	11:26am Passaic River Blues: @Steveo: Debit rates, unlike credit rates, are regulated by the Federal Reserve. The regulation came in the Financial Reform Act after the 2008-2009 Global Shitasm. Small banks and credit unions are largely exempted but the majority of debit cards have regulated rates.
	11:29am steveo: Not only do the cash payers end up sharing the costs of the fees, cards that give "cash back" to the card users are effectively taking money from cash patrons and giving it to credit patrons. @PRB cool, thanks @Ike i tried searching the co-op newsletter archives, but they seem to be incomplete -- i just remember that cash and debit are cheaper than credit (and that's why we use them)
	11:29am The Oscar: @melinda That explains why this is the first I'm hearing of this phenomenon!
	11:30am Trouble: ny times article about this www.nytimes.com...
	11:36am David in London: It’s also hitting charity fund raising as people don’t even have the loose change for street donations now.
	11:37am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Park Slope Food Co-op used to only accept cash, and checks backed by member deposits (and EBT/food stamps). In the mid-2000's, started accepting pin-based debit cards. Not signature-based debit cards, not credit cards. Pin-based debit has lower bank fees than signature debit, and credit. Ever wonder why the credit card companies run advertisements and promotions to "go ahead and sign when the merchant gives you an option!"? It's because the bank gets a bigger fee if you sign instead of using a pin. Angelica Kitchen (RIP) in Manhattan never accepted cards in all its years. They had a little diagram in the menu showing the money that would fly away to the bank instead of going to the restaurant, suppliers and farmers. All these transaction fees just make the banks fatter, and the costs are bourne entirely by the consumers (because merchants have to build the cost into their higher prices). The pitch from the banks to the merchants is that they've so well conditioned consumers to only use cards, that you'll lose so many sales if you don't take cards, you'll lose more than the bank fees. So, the bank propaganda to the consumers combines with the bank propaganda to the merchants, and both lose.
	11:37am Granny Spicy Tuna: Now this is some powerful kirtan.
	11:38am prudy: thanks for the info re methods of payment. such bs. Luckily where I live there's no such thing as card only merchants. But its the same od shit where the people least able to afford it get screwed.
	11:38am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): (Maybe Angelica accepted credit cards right before they folded, actually. They were desperate while their rent was skyrocketing.)
	11:38am bobdoesthings: @Kenzo - I'm part of the coop! Didn't know about the pin-debit vs signing.. interesting
	11:38am Passaic River Blues: @Kenzo & Prudy: Word.
	11:40am prudy: anyone know if there are any plans to rebuild Coltrane's ashram in CA?
	11:40am steveo: park slope is also the food co-op i belong to -- I have seen at least 2 other fmu djs in there...)
	11:42am steveo: (personal style guide: "the Park Slope Food Coop is a food co-op")
	11:42am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): And rewards cards, miles cards, premium cards - every credit card that has extra monetary bonuses to the consumer, just charges higher fees to the merchant when those cards are used. Higher than the benefit to the consumer, of course. So the consumer winds up spending more in the long run (thanks to the upward push on merchant prices it causes).
	11:42am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @steveo ;)
	11:42am WillCrete: Much love for that Asnakech Worku / Alice Coltrane pairing there. True voices there.
	11:43am βrian: Not a Food Coöp?
	11:43am steveo: only if you work for the New Yorker
	11:45am blee: Really enjoy the melancholy of Aubrey Levinthal's painting you have showcased here. The textures of her paintings are very inspirational on her website. I really like the awkwardness of them too. Thanks again, DJ Trouble. www.aubreylevinthal.com...
	11:46am prudy: Loving lonnie holley
	11:46am βrian: My dictionary has neither hyphen nor dieresis: "cooperative."
	11:48am Trouble: thanks for sitting in this morning. see you next week!
	11:49am Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Update for stevo's guide: "The Park Slope Food Coop is a cooperative food co-op."
	11:49am zpulpa: Thank you Trouble! This was the calming morning sound track I needed.
	11:50am bobdoesthings: Thanks trouble!
	11:51am Ken From Hyde Park: Is the NYC subway system going cashless? Some system where you pay with your phone? If you have no smart phone, you are sunk.
	11:52am stevëo: that's how i'd do it, kenzo. i can accept other variations from others who feel strongly, however :)
	11:52am steveo: thanks, Trouble!
	11:53am Listening Out There: I am here. Am I in trouble?
	11:53am βrian: My phone is app-free.
	11:53am rw: There are other apps?
	11:54am coelacanth∅: yeah i don't have "apps" on my phone either.
	11:54am Mick: Thanks for the music and the credit card education today. The cashless store idea has made me bonkers since the first time I heard of it.
	11:55am Passaic River Blues: Thank you, Trouble!
	11:56am melinda: Thanks Trub!
	11:56am glenn: what's with the trash panda hatred?
	11:57am northguineahills: I allow my neighbors' cats and dogs to roam my yard, so, I have no critter problems.
	11:57am Adrian in London: Thanks Trouble. And have a lovely Christmas!
	11:57am northguineahills: Thanks Trouble!
	11:57am βrian: In my experience, raccoons can support substantial colonies of fleas.
	11:58am northguineahills: I have WFMU and a weather app.... (couldn't listen otherwise.)
	11:58am Greg from ZONE 5: Thanks, Trouble!
	11:58am Trouble: merci @adrian. merry christmas to you too!
	11:58am sphere: raccoons are also pretty destructive. thanks Trouble!
	11:59am coelacanth∅: i have ground hogs under the porch, birds in the roof above the porch and chipmunks somewhere that ate all my tomatoes. i like it.
	11:59am βrian: Merci, DJ Trouble.
	12:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Trouble
	12:00pm Brian in UK: Trouble, have a peaceful Christmas.

This Is The Modern World with Trouble: Playlist from December 20, 2018

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