WFMU: Surface Noise with Joe McGasko: Playlist from March 9, 2020

Listener comments!
	👻 9:02am 12539: Boing Boing McBOING!
	👻 9:03am Marley P. Dogg: Need those Yip Yip pledges people
	9:04am Strandlund: The Great Joe McGasko!!
	👻 9:04am Brian in UK: Hey Joe, remembered the time change!
	9:04am Handy Haversack: Morning, all! Let the Pledgetastic argosy set sail!
	9:04am The illuminated void: burn the witch burn the witch
	9:05am Snoochienucci: yip yip everyone!
	9:06am Motis: That's Lionel Hampton's PERSONAL Grease
	9:06am Colleen: Oh Joe....Its alredy amazing!!!
	9:06am queems: howdy joe & all!
	9:07am Tim 07030: Good morning, Joe! To use one of my father's favorite expressions, Lionel Hampton would do anything for a buck.
	9:07am Joe McG: Welcome to the show, everyone! You're the one(s) that I want...to call! Join me and Daniel B. for the next 3 hours of fun and fundraising.
	9:09am Andrew_in_WI: Marimba, xylophone?
	9:09am Motis: WFMU has so many international listeners! How do they even hear about it? Brian, you're in the Untied Kindgom, how did you become aware of a radio station in New Jersey, The Colonies?
	9:09am ParUbi □ □ □ □: Greetings from Pittsburgh!
	9:09am Daniel Blumin: Pledge for the Surface Noise, peoples! No dilly-dallying! Get Joe some ducats! 800.989.9368! wfmu.org/donate works swell too!
	9:11am melinda: Hi Joe & Daniel!
	9:11am steveo: good morning joe; i just can't get enough, but will settle for 3 hours
	9:11am Motis: LOOK OUT, JOE'S GOT A 45
	9:11am The illuminated void: Just so one knows. when one does a search on google the information coming back is censored. there is no free flow of information online unless you communicate directly with someone. all aglorhytms have been adjusted to meet the need of the mainstream ideology and to keep the culture homogenized. just like WFMU cutting some opinions off in the name of alternatives
	9:11am morphe': I'm, in parts, hearing Shark Shark Shark song?
	9:12am Motis: Go somewhere else if you have a problem with WFMU, crazypants
	9:13am paul: You're right. Baby shark.....
	9:13am steveo: baby shark only has one note, so every song sounds like it in parts?
	9:13am Motis: Good point, steveo
	9:14am Motis: So could the person who wrote BABY SHARK sue anyone who puts out a song with that note in it? Hmmmmmmmm
	9:15am morphe': Thanks Steve -- As they say of my family ...couldn't arry a tune in a wheelBarrow and the only singer in our family was a sewing machine - 2 true Irish bits
	9:15am Handy Haversack: Could be the stars in my ears.
	9:15am paul: Did Daniel invent the Blumin Onion?
	9:18am morphe': Joe... when yer Pan Premium arrives, it will be delivered to PoS and be throughly enjoyed - might even get copied - not for profit but for the love of Pan...
	9:18am Colleen: OOooohhhh soooooo gooooood
	9:18am Daniel Blumin: Get that premium and up your happiness quotient! 75 dollars!!!!
	👻 9:19am Webhamster Henry: My arms hurt listening to these pan rolls!
	9:19am The illuminated void: Once the native Americans believed everything was alive and we killed them. so much for crazy pants
	9:19am Motis: Henry, you're supposed to listen to them with your EARS.
	9:21am EdziuS: hhuuggee
	9:22am Charlie Spademan: Full MOUSE moon, fundraising
	9:23am Motis: Do you know what's worse than biting into the Moon and finding a mouse?
	9:23am morphe': Worm Moon =The last Full Moon of the winter season in March is the Worm Moon because of the earthworms that come out at the end of winter. Is is also known as the Crow Moon, Crust Moon, Sap Moon, Sugar Moon, and Chaste Moon. The Old English/Anglo-Saxon name is Lenten Moon. https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/moon/full-moon-names.html
	👻 9:25am karlward: Iowa Dream is a lovely record. You need it. PLEDGE
	9:25am Motis: OK, do you know what's worse than biting into the Moon and finding a worm?
	👻 9:25am Webhamster Henry: A 2 year old friend of mine was actually playing with an earthworm on Saturday. #wormmoonisreal
	9:26am Joe McG: I never actually heard the term Worm Moon until today.
	9:27am Joe McG: I quite like "Sugar Moon"!
	9:27am ParUbi: I guess this is when the soil thaws and they come up to greet the robins
	9:27am Motis: I like Tom Waits' "a bit of a buttery Cue Ball Moon"
	👻 9:28am Ken From Hyde Park: Next month will be the Hand Sanitizer Moon.
	9:29am Motis: ParUbi: if by 'greet' you mean scream "COME AND EAT ME"
	9:29am melinda: Sugar Moon has more appeal.
	9:30am Motis: "High Fructose Corn Syrup Moon"
	9:30am ParUbi: March moon names from Wikipedia: March: "Worm Moon", "Crow Moon", "Sap Moon", "Crust Moon", "Lenten Moon", "Wind Moon"
	9:31am Phillippe Bastille: Nice! Glad to hear Eddy back!
	9:32am Motis: "Breaking Wind Moon"
	9:32am Daniel Blumin: Pledge 20 bux or more an enter to win the Arthur Russell dubble lp!
	9:33am Handy Haversack: I was gonna say something about the etymology of the serviceberry and how these days you don't have to wait nearly as long to dig graves, but Wikipedia just told me that everything I thought was wrong. So ... happy Worm Moon, everyone! Morning, @Phillippe.
	9:34am Phillippe Bastille: Hey Handy!
	9:35am melinda: "It's all about chastity at WFMU" that's the funniest thing I've heard yet this marathon.
	9:36am Motis: Shhhh, Handy. . . you'll start an amelanchier
	9:37am AndyIowa: Morning DB, JM and fellow ‘FMU fans! Happy Marathon Week 2. Let’s get that goal. -AndyIowa in Brooklyn
	9:37am Handy Haversack: It's shad-a-licious. Baby.
	9:38am Motis: Sorbus, sorbet. . . I can't tell the diff
	9:39am Snoochienucci: Arthur Russell - always love everything i hear from him on WFMU, i NEVER remember to listen to him on my own thou. there are probably quite a few artist that i do that with lol
	9:40am Mike & Dusty: the Drill Sergeant! the original dB!
	9:40am morphe': Iowa... surprised never Clay spin this?
	9:40am Motis: Here ya go, Snooch: www.youtube.com...
	9:41am Motis: The Crazy World of Arthur Russell
	9:43am Handy Haversack: Smooth Joe McGasko very smoothly helped me through the process of upping my Swag for Life -- and I'm sure he can do the same for YOU!
	9:44am Daniel Blumin: Morning, Andy and thx fer yr pledge!
	9:47am Daniel Blumin: Hear, hear! Handy!
	9:49am Daniel Blumin: Bill Orcutt CD and Bill Fay LP's could be yrs fer a pledge of 20 dollaz or more! wfmu.org or 800.989.9368!
	9:50am chresti Griffith Park: Watching morning moon, drinking coffee with morning surface noise before work
	9:50am Handy Haversack: Good morning, Chresti!
	9:51am chresti Griffith Park: Morning Handy!
	9:51am Motis: Chresti: Still hungover from the Pink Floyd Laserium show, I hope?
	9:52am chresti Griffith Park: Motis, always hungover!
	9:53am Motis: HUNG LYFE
	9:54am Motis: Griffith Park is one of the things I miss about growing up in L.A.
	9:57am steveo: more cowbell!
	9:57am PKNY: I've known this version of "Cars" through a DJ Shadow mix a few years back, but never did a full background check on the Katzenjammers. From the Discogs, they also do a Captain & Tennille cover on this record!
	👻 9:57am P20: Just pledged (again), hoping for the Orcutt record!
	9:58am Yes: Good morning all
	9:59am Handy Haversack: Rolled a 19 for you on my desk icosahedron, @P20, so that's pretty good!
	10:00am Mike & Dusty: Daniel sounds like Joe Biden, if he were a little younger and cooler, and more honest too.
	10:01am Motis: Biden refuses to decriminalize music though
	10:06am Knormalish: I never win anything ... Best. Monday. Ever! - Kendra
	10:08am Handy Haversack: And the Providence Plantations.
	10:09am modern blaze: Joe, Daniel. yeah...
	10:09am zzz: definitely still have all my many CDs and no plans to get rid of them, people come over and think i am crazy. will CDs have a resurgence ?? decent used jazz CDs are surprisingly not cheap
	10:10am modern blaze: cd-r is good for share. think institute
	👻 10:10am P20: I prefer LPs but a lot of the new jazz I like only comes out on CD. The "death of the CD" is not good news for smaller jazz labels putting out releases of less-popular music.
	10:11am Motis: zzz: The thing about CDs is that they are utterly trivial to convert to a format -- like FLAC or MP3 -- that is not dependent on a medium.
	10:12am Handy Haversack: Love everything I hear off this América Invertida record -- but no working turntable around the Haversackery right now ...
	10:12am yes: This comp sounds cool
	10:12am Motis: So if we ignore the collectible value of some vinyl and are only talking about the value of the music, I'd MUCH rather inherit a giant CD collection than a giant vinyl collection.
	10:12am Joe McG: Pledges of $20 or more gets you in the running for this gorgeous collection of uncollected Uruguayan music from the '80s.
	10:13am Motis: This is nice and soothing
	10:14am Andrew Waterloo: I don't believe the vinyl resurgence could have gone as far without download cards and streaming
	10:15am Motis: The "vinyl resurgence" is not all that real, though. If you look at a graph of vinyl sales back in the days before CD, and compare with the spike that represents the so-called 'resurgence,' it makes it look just silly to call it that.
	10:15am Andrew Waterloo: I think jazz and classical will retain the use of CDs the same way hip-hop and dance retained the use of vinyl.
	10:16am Motis: Small jazz labels and others putting out music on CD shouldn't be in trouble. . . they're already producing digital music, and can now stop wasting money putting it on CDs, and push it straight to Internet instead. It should represent a cost savings, not a problem.
	10:17am Andrew Waterloo: @Mortis, people take for granted how much CDs did surge in the 90s. Heck some even like to say the music biz wasn't doing well. I wish I still had the article, but one researched linked the surge to easing of credit, and the drop to the credit crunch.
	10:17am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: I'm here for the music and camaraderie, good morning everyone.
	10:18am Motis: Andrew Waterloo: I'm not talking about the surge of CD sales; I'm talking about the so-called "vinyl resurgence," which is MINUSCULE compared with vinyl sales pre-CD.
	10:18am Tim 07030: haha. And I have a sister named Martha, Joe!
	10:19am Motis: Here, check this graph out: www.vinylplayerreview.com...
	10:19am Andrew Waterloo: @Motis. But, jazz is still very much a performance medium and the fans aren't interested in buying T-shirts. The CDs still play a valuable role as merchandise.
	10:20am Motis: Andrew Waterloo: OK, that sounds like a true thing. . . but thumb drives are cheaper and not dependent on a device that is quickly becoming archaic and rare.
	10:21am Motis: Pretty much every computer still has USB; fewer and fewer have CD or DVD drives.
	10:21am Andrew Waterloo: @Motis. But, most jazz fans are older and own a stereo with a CD component
	10:21am Tim 07030: I want to watch Ali McGraw waste away to THIS version!
	10:22am Andrew Waterloo: @Motis.. it's also not hard to find a USB optical player.
	10:22am Motis: Andrew, that sounds a little defeatist when you extrapolate a little. . . it's like you're saying jazz is dying.
	👻 10:22am P20: @Motis: I guess you are right. I just looed at the website of Pi records pirecordings.com... and now everything is available as a Bandcamp download as well as CD.
	10:23am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: Dear Motis, I agree with your accuracy on the use of the phrase but do you think "some people are now buying (vinyl) records that never did before" would get much attention? It's just another "flavor of the moment" thing to get attention, in my opinion. Also, SOME of us never stopped buying LPs. They just got harder to find in most instances.
	10:23am Motis: Where can I buy an Edison wax cylinder to USB drive?
	👻 10:23am P20: @Motis: It took them a while to get there though, for a long time if I wanted to hear, say, Henry Threadgill's "Zooid", my only option was CD
	10:23am Andrew_in_WI: Remind listeners that Bill Orcutt used to be in Harry Pussy
	10:24am Daniel Blumin: Congrats, Kendra! Who'll be the next have a fancypants Monday win????
	10:24am Motis: P20: Maybe not your ONLY option, but your only legal option. Torrent sites have had ripped CDs for decades now.
	10:24am melinda: I like CDs, having everything stored in a computer or MP3 player seems too vulnerable.
	10:25am Motis: melinda: If you're not backing up your hard drive regularly, you're DOIN' IT WRONG
	👻 10:25am P20: @Motis: that may be true but I'd rather pay Henry Threadgill for his wonderful music.
	10:27am Motis: P20: I happen to have some specialized knowledge regarding the uses of BitTorrent, and I have to object to the idea -- aggressively spread by the MPAA and RIAA -- that torrenters are just thieves. Most of them are happy to pay for music and movies that are worth paying for; they just don't want to pay for music and movies the way one might pay a carnival barker to see the Feejee Mermaid. Also, some people honestly cannot afford to pay for CDs or DVDs; should they be denied culture because of poverty?
	10:29am Motis: There's a Viggo Mortensen film called THE MAN FROM EARTH that was low-budget and released straight to DVD. . . the torrenting community liked it and spread it far and wide on torrent sites. As a result, a huge number of unexpected DVD sales were made, and the producers and director of the film publicly thanked torrenters for sharing it around and making it a success.
	👻 10:31am P20: @Motis: For stuff that is in-print and readily purchasable I don't think it's really justifiable.
	10:32am Andrew Waterloo: @Motis, no.. just saying that jazz has a particular audience and will continue to behave differently than other genres. Jazz smaller but very active live audience. Eventually people will move on to simply logging onto band camp or bookmarking on a streaming service, but for now the audience likes to be able to get a CD of the performance... something tactile, all though the nature of jazz is the performance is often not on record yet.
	10:32am Motis: The only releases that make less money because of torrenting are gigantic corporate-backed stuff. . . and frankly, I don't care at all if the new Metallica album or Spiderman XXVII make nine gajillion billion dollars instead of ten. Independent releases BENEFIT from being freely shared, because people are basically good, and want to give money to artists whose work they like. Once upon a time, I was able to do polling within a closed, trusted community of over 20,000 torrenters. . . and 83% of them said they still bought CDs and DVDs even though they knew how to get whatever they wanted for free.
	10:33am Andrew Waterloo: torrenting collapsed the perceived value of media.
	10:33am Motis: Andrew Waterloo: They don't need CDs for that, though. . . they could buy access to music on a website, for instance.
	👻 10:33am P20: @Motis: All very standard arguments that I've heard many times before. I'm still not buying it.
	10:34am Andrew Waterloo: @Motis... argue all you want.. That's the way it is. Come out to a jazz show sometime and experience reality.
	10:34am Motis: P20: "stuff that is in-print and readily purchasable" is still stuff you may not have heard or seen, though. Would you buy a car without test-driving it, or even being able to look at it? That's what I meant by my "Feejee Mermaid" analogy. . . there's a tent with an exhibit in it, and you have to pay some sleazy carney to look inside. NO, you don't get your money back if what's in the tent is just shit, or a scam.
	10:35am Motis: Torrenting is NOT theft; it's try-before-you-buy. My polling proved that.
	10:35am zzz: i dont know much about torrenting, but doesnt a, for example, small jazz label (not to mention the artists themselves) stand to not really make any $ from streaming exclusively? Not an expert in this ...
	👻 10:35am P20: @Motis: This is how the music business works. People who produce and sell products get to decide how they want to sell them. It's not up to you to create a new business model. If you don't want to see the "Feejee Mermaid", walk away from the carnival barker.
	10:36am Motis: zzz: The outlay for offering the music online is MUCH less than producing CDs, so there's far less risk, and a bigger or equivalent profit margin at a much lower price.
	10:37am Motis: P20: That's NOT how the music business works, because the RIAA cannot stop people from sharing. What you're describing is how the RIAA wishes the music business would work, but doesn't anymore.
	10:38am Motis: And again, your bluenosed insistence on buying into the RIAA's bullshit means that poor people get denied culture because they cannot afford it. You think that's a good thing, really?
	👻 10:38am P20: @Motis: I mean, that's how record stores work. There's no "test drive". (Unless you go to a very cool record store!)
	10:38am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: This thread seems like a smokescreen- just pony up and get your radio/heart icons, THEN chitter-chatter all you want about the cost of goods and services. Listening now? Contribute. For Joe, for the kids.
	10:38am Daniel Blumin: The goal has been set - help Joe get there, everyone!!! wfmu.org/donate or 800.989.9368
	10:38am Motis: Back in the day, LOTS of record stores had in-store turntables with headphones, so you could indeed try before buying.
	10:38am Handy Haversack: I had to go talk to my boss about how terrible everything is -- who won América Invertida, and would you describe their joy level as "elevated"?
	👻 10:39am P20: @Motis: yeah, how about a pledge to WFMU to show you are not just being cheap?
	👻 10:39am tim from champaign (now washington): Hey Joe! Keep pledging folks! Let's get Joe to his goal.
	10:39am Yes: This is fun
	10:40am Motis: I'm very sick and completely broke and living on the charity of my friends, P20. It's sad to say and hard to admit, but it's true. I cannot afford culture. I can't afford to give money to WFMU. I wish I could; I love this station and want it to be well-funded.
	10:40am Daniel Blumin: Will in Philly, Handy! And yes I dare say very elevated!
	10:41am Handy Haversack: Well, that Phllies me with joy, too!
	👻 10:41am P20: @Motis: Sorry, not trying to make you feel bad.
	10:41am Marc Francis: Howdy Joe! Howdy Daniel!
	10:41am Alvy Singer: Mister Cumbia is right. Don't forget to wash your hands.
	10:42am Motis: My entire life savings has been eaten away by medical expenses, and if I did not have people who love me, I would already be dead, or at least dying in a gutter somewhere, exposed to the elements and begging for food. If you hate me and that makes you feel glee, then enjoy it. I'm not proud of my situation and don't like airing it about, but it's the truth and it's why I don't have a pledge icon.
	10:42am Daniel Blumin: Howdy, Marc!
	👻 10:42am P20: @Motis: No hate and I'm really sorry
	10:42am melinda: @Motis I am backing up my hard drive regularly. Having CDs, vinyl or cassettes means you can still play music when your computer or device is on the fritz or your internet goes down.
	10:42am Yami: Lol Joe! You really played it
	10:42am ParUbi: América Invertida? As in the artwork?
	10:43am Motis: P20: So this makes what you're saying about the music industry business model personal. They're not going to get any money out of me because I don't have any. . . but you're saying that THEREFORE, I should be denied access to music and movies, even though I can get them without it costing the industry people a cent.
	👻 10:44am P20: @Motis: it's a little complicated and I don't want to argue any more. I'm really sorry for your situation.
	👻 10:46am P20: @Motis: I'm sorry this turned into an argument. Really, all I was trying to say is that I prefer supporting small labels by buying their products. I'm not a shill for the RIAA and I'm not trying to make you or anyone feel bad.
	10:47am ParUbi: Like Pittsburgh! Pittsburgh people represent!
	10:48am Lewis: If only there was someone in Pittsburgh with a really strong WFMU connection...
	10:49am TomDash: Hey Joe & Daniel - great show, as always - good luck hitting your goal! Joe, I'm from Allentown - how about you?
	10:49am Motis: See, the MIAA and RIAA have put decades of effort into trying to convince people that every single free download by torrenters is a LOST SALE. That isn't true; many people download for free stuff that they wouldn't or couldn't pay for anyway. On the other hand, sharing stuff around means more people get exposed to it, and those who love it are mostly -- 83%, anyway -- then willing to go out and buy a copy of it. Further polling revealed that they do this because they like to support artists, and because they like having tangibles like the art that comes in a CD or DVD jewel case. The picture of torrenters as evil thieves is utterly false. I already mentioned THE MAN FROM EARTH; other indie releases have benefited greatly from filesharing as well. Corey Doctorow releases all his novels as free torrents before they come out in paperback, because when he had no audience, he did that as an experiment with his first novel, and BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKED IT (an important point), he sold a ton more than he expected when it came out as a physical book.
	10:49am Brendan: @Joe well said. You are like the compounding pharmacy of music, concocting just the elixir we need.
	10:49am melinda: @Lewis haha
	10:49am Handy Haversack: Pittsburgh! Yinze are bringing it! I live in the small, provincial town of Brooklyn and get pretty much all of my news and current events from WFMU.
	10:51am Motis: I'm not mad at you P2, but I hope you see my points clearer now. Those small jazz labels you want to support would BENEFIT from putting out authorized torrents, and including a text file telling people how to pay for the music. . . but a lot of people who can't or won't buy it will download it, which is fine, and anyone who downloads it and doesn't think it's good isn't going to pay for it, which is also fine.
	10:51am morphe': Time change- as I wrote on Clay's show.. Europe does not change time until the 29th so some listeners(many) here might be off schedule - a
	10:54am Daniel Blumin: Pledge fer the dang Monroes!!!!!! And that drum fill coming!!!
	10:55am Matt Fiveash: Hi Joe & Blumin!! Much as I hate to interrupt this vigorous debate, I must report that I received an in-person cash donation for the marathon from a customer at work yesterday. 220 bucks! Thanks to luddite pals Bruno and Garrett in Sunset Park, Brooklyn.
	10:55am Roberto: Nice drum fill!
	10:55am Handy Haversack: Woo hoo! There it is! Pledge it up!
	10:55am Daniel Blumin: Oh crap - the big guns!!! Pledge ya, Freeformists!
	10:56am Motis: I just want to point out that this is NOT a fight, and as far as I know, nobody talking about filesharing is angry. We're just having a discussion.
	10:56am Joe McG: @MattF: Wow, now that's pretty cool.
	👻 10:56am tim from champaign (now washington): Go luddites!
	10:56am PersistanceOfVision: Anyone elses stream messed up?
	10:56am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: Do it for the 'Gulls. Do it for the pomps and shoulder pads. Just pledge. If you can, that is. Great show per always, sir.
	10:57am Motis: @PersistanceOfVision: All good here in Florida; must be a local problem.
	👻 10:58am 12539: My stream is full of big hair.
	10:58am John from Florham park: Oh god not the seagulls NOOOO
	10:58am melinda: @Matt cool!
	10:58am Motis: A Flock of Haircut 100 Luftballoon Duran
	👻 10:59am P20: Peace. (and Pizza).
	10:59am Matt Fiveash: Joe- Will hand you the money, wrapped in bar napkin with their snail mail address written on it, later!
	10:59am ParUbi: Sounds like this record has experienced a lot of love over the years
	11:00am Daniel Blumin: Now that's great news, Matt! Better than Western Union!
	11:00am John from Florham park: @Parubi Flock of seagulls oh HELL NO
	11:00am Matt Fiveash: Haha!
	11:00am Motis: 'Western Union' always makes me think of briefs, aka "y-fronts" to our UK friends. . . because "DUN-DA-DUNs" are what we called them when I was a kid, thanks to Superman wearing his on the outside.
	👻 11:01am Webhamster Henry: Western Union: It's Joe's "Thing With A Hook"
	11:01am Motis: "The Tighty Whities" would be a pretty sweet band name
	11:02am Chi Bill: Wow! Western Union! Don't think I heard in 50 years! Very nice past blast, thanks Joe! Hey! what's that noise?!?!
	11:03am Jessie: Happy Monday! Enjoying this great show.
	11:03am Handy Haversack: That was only like 270 revolutions!
	11:04am ParUbi: Any DJs like to play the reel-to-reels? Someone mentioned that there are a pile of them in the basement or something.
	11:05am John from Florham park: @Handy morning @Parubi morning
	11:05am ParUbi: You did! Good work, Daniel!
	11:05am PersistanceOfVision: This YINZER donated Friday!
	11:05am steveo: When I was a young teen, I mailed a cassette to my favorite commercial station and asked them to play it. They actually wrote back to apologize that the sound quality was too low. (It was Bob & Doug McKenzie)
	11:05am Handy Haversack: Hey, John! How's the Monday so far?
	11:05am ParUbi: Hi @John!
	11:06am John from Florham park: Question for the listmind, how big is the famous record library that WFMU has
	11:06am Brendan: Western Union, what ? Were the telegraph and pony express down today?
	11:06am steveo: my father and his family are from Pittsburgh, but I can't recall any of them saying "yinz"
	11:06am Motis: ParUbi: Oooooh, I hope someone gives them some love soon. Those old reel-to-reels have a big problem as they age, with the coating coming off the substrate. There are companies that will do a special baking process on them so that you can play them ONCE and digitize them. . . god knows how much music has been lost because it was on old tape. One nice thing about vinyl is that it is well-suited to preserve music through long periods during which it is out of vogue, for later discovery by new generations.
	11:07am John from Florham park: @Handy fell asleep and I had stuff to do but all finished
	11:07am JakeGould: Hello Joe and Danie!! Remember, if you hold onto your tuchus, wash your hands for 20 seconds afterwards.
	11:07am Brendan: @steveo those hosers
	11:08am Greg from ZONE 5: Jabronis. Mindfulness for Jabronis.
	11:08am Handy Haversack: One very comforting thing I like about western PA is how you can just order "lager" and no one is confused and you are served Yuengling. I need to live in the world of TV beer, where you just have to order "beer" and then you are served it. If it's in a can that just says "BEER," so much the better. I'd like to fall asleep again, John!
	11:09am ParUbi: I swear the tape is the premium I'm most excited about, especially after hearing Clay's piece
	11:10am ParUbi: I love Pittsburgh more than I thought I would. Moved here 7 years ago or so, and it's a... very FMU type of city
	👻 11:10am P20: @HH: I've been in Germany and said "Ein Bier bitte" and it worked, no questions asked. Or else maybe they just thought I was an idiot.
	11:10am John from Florham park: @Handy the bad thing about falling asleep is that I miss stuff on WFMU
	11:11am melinda: @ParUbi I missed that one, must be good.
	11:12am Handy Haversack: @P20, yeah, hard to know, but I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt! @ParUbi, I have not spent as much time as I'd like in Pittsburgh, but I have only ever had good times there, and I find it beautiful. Hope to get out there at some point this spring for some urban canoeing.
	11:12am John from Florham park: @Parubi that surprised me about Pittsburgh, I know it is not all style and the Steelers
	👻 11:12am tim from champaign (now washington): @Handy - are you old enough to remember generic products that were self labeled? Like generic beer just had BEER printed on the can.
	11:12am John from Florham park: I mean steel parubi
	👻 11:13am P20: @tim from champaign: have you ever seen "Repo Man" ?
	11:13am Handy Haversack: @tim, yes! In grocery stores -- I found it so comforting. It somehow just eases a brain itch for me for brand names and styles to be discarded.
	11:13am Lewis: Food
	11:14am melinda: @Par what is an FMU-type city? Sounds appealing.
	11:14am ParUbi: @John-- that makes more sense. Pittsburgh has a lot of culture and music for a fairly small city.
	👻 11:14am tim from champaign (now washington): I could be opening a can of worms with this statement, but I've always considered Pittsburgh and Western PA to be part of the midwest.
	11:14am ParUbi: @melinda-- lots of museums, record stores, bookstores, live music, etc.
	👻 11:14am tim from champaign (now washington): @P20 - you know it!
	11:14am Daniel Blumin: See, if I had this in my record bag back at UCL, I would've gotten the gig, Joe!
	11:15am melinda: @P20 one of my favorite movies
	11:15am Handy Haversack: Oh, this is amazing, Joe McG. I keep trying to find 30 seconds to listen to the movie a friend took during gaming of my dog sucking on a bison bone, but I can't stop the Surface Noise!
	11:15am βrian: I always considered Michigan to be part of the midwest. Then I moved to Wisconsin.
	11:16am ParUbi: Pittsburgh is definitely rust belt, so I can see the Midwest point. But I moved to PA from the west coast, so it's all the East to me.
	11:17am Motis: @Handy Haversack: I lived in Moscow, Russia for a year and a half, and in China for five years. . . all the brand names there get COUNTERFEITED, so it's extra double super secret mondo confusing. One day in China, I ambled into an electronics store and saw shelf after shelf laden with SONY equipment, which baffled me at first, because SONY is a Japanese brand, and why would the Chinese import all that expensive stuff when they make so much of their own? Then I took a closer look and saw that the SONY logo, while otherwise perfect, actually said SQNY.
	👻 11:17am tim from champaign (now washington): Definitely Rust belt midwest.
	11:18am Motis: In Russia you run into an awful lot of counterfeit Stolichnaya, and Baltika beer. If you're lucky, it will be good, and not contain much antifreeze.
	👻 11:18am P20: Rust belt != Midwest
	11:18am Brendan: In former Soviet Union, state produced beer is called B33R -it is only beer available. Not good ,but better than state sanctioned Vodka which is called ‘Vodka’ and only suitable for tractor fuel.
	👻 11:19am P20: Rust belt starts in upstate NY.
	11:19am Motis: @Brendan: I know you're joking, but for the sake of accuracy, Russia has many, many brands and styles of both beer and vodka. Baltika alone has like a dozen different beers.
	👻 11:20am P20: The Midwest is vast - it includes Kansas and Nebraska and the Dakotas. Pennsylvania is too far east, IMO. To me, Ohio is barely midwestern. (Even though officially it is).
	👻 11:21am P20: There should be some other name for the zone that includes western NY state, western PA, Ohio, and Indiana.
	11:21am ParUbi: Mid-atlantic, I guess @P20
	11:22am Motis: China has a lot of terrible beer, but it's very cheap -- like the 528 brand -- and may not make you go blind for more than fifteen minutes at a time. . . but they ALSO have this whole big bunch of beers made by Tsing Tao that are German-style, because Tsing Tao brewery was founded by Germans who came to China. Their Haidao Black is EXCELLENT.
	👻 11:22am P20: @ParUbi: no, MidAtlantic states have to touch the Atlantic coast!
	11:22am βrian: When I was growing up, we thought of Ohio as being in the South. Heh.
	11:22am Joe McG: SUSS - how beautiful! Pledges of $20 or more may net you this LP.
	11:23am melinda: The Midwest is vast and most parts are flavored by neighboring regions.
	11:23am Motis: China produces some really good dry red wines, too, but they export most of it because Chinese people mostly don't like wine unless it's sweet. I've seen the dry reds being sold with a can of Coca-Cola taped to the bottle as a package deal, because people MIX THEM.
	11:24am ParUbi: @P20-- Right, they are more easterly. Weirdly, PA and West Virginia are still counted as Mid-Atlantic though
	11:24am βrian: The midwest is where everybody knows what a shell of beer is. (Wait, does that extend east?)
	11:24am John from Florham park: @Parubi I remember asking you about WYEP and your telling me that it was not as freeform as it once was
	11:25am Motis: OK, who says 'pop' and who says 'soda?' Michiganders just say 'Faygo'
	11:25am Hopey Sockmonkey: YES. Love this EP.
	11:25am melinda: I think of Pittsburgh as Eastern too.
	11:25am Lewis: One of the Great Ring of Fire covers ever!
	11:25am ParUbi: Yes, WYEP is a pretty good station, but not at all in the same league as FMU.
	👻 11:26am tim from champaign (now washington): A Michiganism that I'm unable to shake (and don't want to) is calling liquor stores "party stores".
	👻 11:26am Webhamster Henry: Ring Of Fire on Steel Pans would be great!
	11:26am Handy Haversack: @tim, ha, yes. Calling 'em like it is! Zappa did a reggae "Ring of Fire," @Henry.
	11:26am John from Florham park: @Parubi WFMU is in a league of its own
	11:27am βrian: Well, it's soda pop, so take your pick.
	11:27am Greg from ZONE 5: Guess it depends on your vantage point. Looking at it from Jersey City, Philly is East Coast and Pittsburgh is the beginning of the Midwest.
	11:27am melinda: Rust Belt is sort of its own region.
	11:28am Motis: Heh. Back in the '80s, I saw WALL OF VOODOO play at a theater in Hollywood on Vine, just north of Hollywood Blvd. . . and the week before the show, I picked up some day labor painting the stage black. As I was leaving, I ran into some guy walking the other way up the street, and he looked familiar to me in that way of someone from the music scene you've seen around but never formally met. I said 'hi' and told him he could pick up some good day labor at the theater I had just come out of; he gave me an amused look and thanked me. I walked down the street and around the corner and realized that I didn't know him from around the music scene; he was Harry Dean Stanton.
	11:28am Brendan: Stan Ridgeway could read a lawn mower manual and it would be mesmerizing
	11:29am Motis: I hope I didn't hurt his feelings. . . like "hey, don't quit your day job, ya hack!"
	11:29am Mike & Dusty: Wall of Voodoo presaging that long-awaited Devo/Lubricated Goat collab
	11:30am melinda: @Tim that’s a good one! Reminds me of a drive-through liquor store in Austin called the Party Barn, don’t know if it’s still there.
	11:30am Matt Fiveash: Joe's got high Stannards
	👻 11:30am tim from champaign (now washington): Come on, peoples, let's get Joe to the goal. He only has 30% to go with 16% of his show left!
	11:31am Motis: I miss the coneys in Michigan. . . Abe's in Ypsilanti!
	11:31am JakeGould: @Tim: You a bookie or something?
	11:31am John from Florham park: @Melinda it’s still there in Austin
	11:31am Hopey Sockmonkey: Back in the day I saw Wall of Voodoo open for a band that I cannot remember at the moment (it was at California Hall on Polk). The audience booed them.
	11:32am Rich in Washington: WoV's Ring of Fire was the first time I ever heard a real song by a real group licensed for use in a real porno film. It was in dir. Rinse Dream's surreal Night Dreams. I guess Johnny Cash's publishing company needed revenue or something.
	11:32am Handy Haversack: Forgot to sign my pledge with my board name, @Joe and Daniel. But it's in there.
	11:32am MUWFinMA: wall of voodoo were quite good & that cover superb -thx
	11:32am ParUbi: I lived in the Ann Arbor area for a while. They certainly had their share of record stores when I was there.
	11:32am melinda: Once on a road trip my dad said he wanted to stop at a package store and I wondered why he needed to mail a package at that moment, didn’t know it was the old timer term for liquor store.
	11:33am JakeGould: @ParUbi: When I lived in Madison, WI for a short while back in the 1990s, the record store and live show variety was actually nicer than NYC in many ways.
	11:33am Rich in Washington: i absolutely love Wall of Voodoo's Morricone Themes medley. They allegedly started out as a soundtrack company.
	11:33am morphe': Thanks, Joe and D and all... Thanks too Joe for the upcoming, unpaid Swag Overtime...
	11:33am John from Florham park: @Melinda ha ha
	11:33am Handy Haversack: ... that was me. With the dog.
	11:34am morphe': Sex
	11:34am melinda: @Motis that’s a great story!
	11:34am ParUbi: @melinda-- yes, that baffled me too. Even youngish people will call liquor stores "package stores" out here
	11:34am glass of water: sEx
	11:35am Andrew_in_WI: I'll adopt Joe!
	11:35am morphe': Errata - edit the S word
	👻 11:35am tim from champaign (now washington): A drive though package party barn!
	11:36am Handy Haversack: Full of brandless BEER.
	11:38am melinda: @Par weird! A friend who grew up in Connecticut said they would call it the Packy, but that was in the 70s. Funny how some things persist.
	11:39am SeanG: poetic "justice"
	11:39am modern blaze: missed ring of fire part
	11:39am ParUbi: @melinda-- actually, the person I first heard it from also lived in Connecticut for a while. Maybe it's a Connecticut thing...
	11:42am Daniel Blumin: Keep pledging, folks! The goal is very much in sight!!! Support Gentleman Joe!!!!
	11:42am modern blaze: universal peace to all folkiez!
	11:43am Daniel Blumin: The Time for Peace Is Now: Gospel Music About Us - get in the running fer this LP fer 20 bux or more!
	11:44am modern blaze: D, your little radio transistor is too cute it makes me think of my childhood
	11:45am JakeGould: @ParUbi: There are still “Packaged Goods” stores in New Jersey. They were designated sellers of beer and liquor but also be a bar. It all depends on the “blue laws” of the state and region.
	11:46am ParUbi: @Jake-- that makes sense. PA sure has its share of weird liquor laws.
	11:47am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: Weighing in on the liquor thread; growing up and living in "the south", you NEVER see a LIQUOR store, always a "package" or perhaps a "bottle shop". Always thought it was weird. Let's just be adult and call it what it is, shall we? Probably a church/bible belt thing.
	11:47am Motis: @melinda Thanks!
	11:48am Yes: Joe makes me feel glad that I'm not dead
	11:48am ParUbi: Getting philosophical, Joe! I like it!
	11:49am radioschizo: Who am I?
	👻 11:49am tim from champaign (now washington): Amen, Joe!
	11:49am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: JakeGould, I was surprised the first time I visited God's Country, er, I mean N.J., and saw that you could actually DRINK at a liquor store/bar. Then buy a bottle, look for your keys and HIT THE ROAD, Jack!
	11:50am P-90: “Internal squabbles” at WFMU?! I can’t imagine such a thing...
	11:50am Motis: I believe they were called "package stores" to distinguish them from establishments in which you could drink what you bought. You can't drink in a package store; they only sell packaged liquor for consumption elsewhere.
	11:51am thriftstoreleather: I like the Wedding album
	11:51am melinda: @Itzall yeah, the area we were in, where my dad grew up, was West Texas where some counties were dry, maybe still are.
	11:52am tripod: Masterful plug for the station, Joe.
	11:52am Motis: LIONEL HAMPTON'S EARWAX
	11:54am Motis: "Little Shadow" by the Yeah Yeah Yeahs makes me want to curl up and die of bittersweet loneliness
	11:54am ParUbi: Dog-friendly is saying something on this station. Not all dogs can handle the marbles-in-the-blender genre
	11:54am melinda: People drink at liquor stores in New Jersey?
	11:55am John from Florham park: @Melinda no about liquor store’s
	11:55am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: Dear melinda, Yes you can, if they are designated as a liquor store/BAR. It's odd.
	11:56am ParUbi: Oh no.... the Eagles
	11:56am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: Passaic County- been there, done that.
	11:56am ParUbi: Pennsylvania represent!!
	👻 11:56am 12539: Thank! You! Joe! Daniel! Pledgers!
	11:56am modern blaze: Georgia's on my mind!
	11:56am Joe McG: Thanks for listening and commenting, everybody!
	11:57am Motis: ParUbi: This one's for you, shipmate! youtu.be...
	11:57am Handy Haversack: Francine in Clifton FTW!
	11:57am Snoochienucci: good times Joe! see ya next week
	11:57am JakeGould: @Motis: Well, I know there are still a few bars out there that also sell “Packaged Goods.”
	11:57am Handy Haversack: Play MARILLION!!!
	11:58am JakeGould: @ItzallClearD'meNåu: Also, unlike NYC across the river, you hear kids wanting to go to liquor stores because many are like corner candy stores as well.
	11:58am Motis: @JakeGould: Sure. It's not like a LAW or something; just a convenient way to denote a store without a bar in the old days.
	11:58am ParUbi: @Motis-- haha, I love Mojo Nixon, nice!
	11:58am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: "Warm smell of fajitas..." and a Corona.
	11:58am Greg from ZONE 5: Congrats, Joe! Another year in the books.
	11:59am P-90: Thanks and congrats, Joe McG and Daniel B
	11:59am Handy Haversack: Wow, it's noon! Thanks, Joe and Daniel!!
	11:59am ParUbi: Thanks for all you do, Joe!
	11:59am Handy Haversack: (And play Marillion!!)
	11:59am P-90: Wunderschnapps indeed!
	12:00pm Motis: I'm originally from Southern California, and grew up with the phrase "liquor store" meaning what is now called a "convenience store." In other words, a place that does sell alcoholic beverages, but also sells a ton of sundry items like candy and bread and milk and hot dogs and and and. . . When I got out in the world and started traveling a lot, I noticed the differences in other States, where they have "off-licenses" and "package stores" and so on, and in some places, a "liquor store" was JUST liquor.

Surface Noise with Joe McGasko: Playlist from March 9, 2020

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A pennant-winning battery of songland. Ongoing feature: Single File, a half-hour of randomly selected small records with big holes.

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March 9, 2020: 2020 Marathon Show #2 with Special Co-host Daniel Blumin

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Format	Comments	New	Approx. start time
Lionel Hampton	You're the One That I Want	Lionel Hampton's Grease	Laurie	1978	LP			0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Retrospect Quartet	Just Can't Get Enough	Words Fail Us	Retro	2014	MP3			0:07:41 (Pop-up)
Hugo Montenegro	Daniel "Daniel" by "Hugo Montenegro"	Rocket Man: A Tribute to Elton John	RCA	1975	LP	welcome to my esteemed co-host!		0:11:10 (Pop-up)
20th Century Steel Band	Love Theme	Steel Pan-demonium!: Surface Noise 2020 Marathon Premium	WFMU	2020	CD-R	Pledges of $75 get you my new premium	*	0:13:49 (Pop-up)

Arthur Russell	Come to Life "Come to Life" by "Arthur Russell"	Iowa Dream	Audika	2019	CD	our first prize today! a double LP!		0:23:48 (Pop-up)
A Girl Called Eddy	Someone's Gonna Break Your Heart	Been Around	Elefant	2019	CD			0:27:46 (Pop-up)

Arthur Russell	I Never Get Lonesome	Iowa Dream	Audika	2019	CD	giving it away very soon!		0:36:18 (Pop-up)

Bill Fay	Filled with Wonder Again	Countless Branches	Dead Oceans	2020	CD	our next prize! $20 or more gets you in the running	*	0:43:12 (Pop-up)
Bill Orcutt	Odds Against Tomorrow	Odds Against Tomorrow	Palilalia	2019	CD	sweetening the pot: adding a second prize! This one is a CD		0:45:38 (Pop-up)
Bert Jansch and John Renbourn	Tic-Tocative	Bert and John	Transatlantic	2001	CD	From 1966		0:49:27 (Pop-up)
The Katzenjammers	Cars "Cars" by "The Katzenjammers"	Steel Pan-demonium!: Surface Noise 2020 Marathon Premium	WFMU	2020	CD-R		*	0:51:47 (Pop-up)

Estela Magnone / Jaime Roos	Tras Tus Ojos	América Invertida: Leftfield Pop & Experimental Folk from 80s Uruguay	VampiSoul	2019	LP	our next prize! pledges of $20 or more		1:08:46 (Pop-up)
The Allman Brothers	Little Martha	Duane Allman: An Anthology	Capricorn	1972	LP	for Tim in Hoboken		1:13:17 (Pop-up)
Mariana Ingold	Capítulos "Capítulos" by "Mariana Ingold"	América Invertida: Leftfield Pop & Experimental Folk From 80s Uruguay (V/A)	VampiSoul	2019	LP	last chance to snag this one!		1:15:54 (Pop-up)
BWIA Sunjets Steel Orchestra	Theme from Love Story	Steel Pan-demonium!: Surface Noise 2020 Marathon Premium	WFMU	2020	CD-R		*	1:18:12 (Pop-up)

Trio Ternura	A Gira "A Gira" by "Trio Ternura"	Mr Bongo Record Club Volume Three	Mr Bongo	2019	LP	our new prize!		1:31:53 (Pop-up)
Mister Cumbia	La Cumbia del Coronavirus	single	Mister Cumbia	2020	MP3		*	1:34:50 (Pop-up)
Galt McDermott	Coffee Cold "Coffee Cold" by "Galt McDermott"	Mr Bongo Record Club Volume Three	Mr Bongo	2019	LP	about to give this away! call now, not too many people in the running		1:38:29 (Pop-up)

Single File: a little mini one "Single File: a little mini one"
The Monroes	What Do All the People Know	single	Alfa	1982	45			1:50:04 (Pop-up)
A Flock of Seagulls	Wishing (If I Had a Photograph of You)	single	Arista	1983	45			1:52:57 (Pop-up)
The Five Americans	Western Union "Western Union" by "The Five Americans"	single	Abnak	1967	45			1:57:13 (Pop-up)

The Gist	Yanks "Yanks" by "The Gist"	Tim Peaks: Songs for a Late-Night Diner	Ace	2020	CD	From 1980; our new prize!		2:10:12 (Pop-up)
Steel Harmony	Transmission "Transmission" by "Steel Harmony"	Steel Pan-demonium!: Surface Noise 2020 Marathon Premium	WFMU	2020	CD-R	my premium!	*	2:12:24 (Pop-up)
The Darling Buds	Do You Have to Break My Heart	Crawdaddy	Epic	1990	LP			2:14:39 (Pop-up)
SUSS	Sundowner "Sundowner" by "SUSS"	High Line	Northern Spy	2019	LP	adding this prize to the docket!		2:18:16 (Pop-up)
Wall of Voodoo	Ring of Fire "Ring of Fire" by "Wall of Voodoo"	Wall of Voodoo EP	Index	1980	10"			2:22:40 (Pop-up)

The Little Shadows	Time for Peace	The Time for Peace Is Now: Gospel Music About Us	Luaka Bop	2019	CD	our next prize, get in the running		2:39:21 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	👻 9:02am 12539: Boing Boing McBOING!
	👻 9:03am Marley P. Dogg: Need those Yip Yip pledges people
	9:04am Strandlund: The Great Joe McGasko!!
	👻 9:04am Brian in UK: Hey Joe, remembered the time change!
	9:04am Handy Haversack: Morning, all! Let the Pledgetastic argosy set sail!
	9:04am The illuminated void: burn the witch burn the witch
	9:05am Snoochienucci: yip yip everyone!
	9:06am Motis: That's Lionel Hampton's PERSONAL Grease
	9:06am Colleen: Oh Joe....Its alredy amazing!!!
	9:06am queems: howdy joe & all!
	9:07am Tim 07030: Good morning, Joe! To use one of my father's favorite expressions, Lionel Hampton would do anything for a buck.
	9:07am Joe McG: Welcome to the show, everyone! You're the one(s) that I want...to call! Join me and Daniel B. for the next 3 hours of fun and fundraising.
	9:09am Andrew_in_WI: Marimba, xylophone?
	9:09am Motis: WFMU has so many international listeners! How do they even hear about it? Brian, you're in the Untied Kindgom, how did you become aware of a radio station in New Jersey, The Colonies?
	9:09am ParUbi □ □ □ □: Greetings from Pittsburgh!
	9:09am Daniel Blumin: Pledge for the Surface Noise, peoples! No dilly-dallying! Get Joe some ducats! 800.989.9368! wfmu.org/donate works swell too!
	9:11am melinda: Hi Joe & Daniel!
	9:11am steveo: good morning joe; i just can't get enough, but will settle for 3 hours
	9:11am Motis: LOOK OUT, JOE'S GOT A 45
	9:11am The illuminated void: Just so one knows. when one does a search on google the information coming back is censored. there is no free flow of information online unless you communicate directly with someone. all aglorhytms have been adjusted to meet the need of the mainstream ideology and to keep the culture homogenized. just like WFMU cutting some opinions off in the name of alternatives
	9:11am morphe': I'm, in parts, hearing Shark Shark Shark song?
	9:12am Motis: Go somewhere else if you have a problem with WFMU, crazypants
	9:13am paul: You're right. Baby shark.....
	9:13am steveo: baby shark only has one note, so every song sounds like it in parts?
	9:13am Motis: Good point, steveo
	9:14am Motis: So could the person who wrote BABY SHARK sue anyone who puts out a song with that note in it? Hmmmmmmmm
	9:15am morphe': Thanks Steve -- As they say of my family ...couldn't arry a tune in a wheelBarrow and the only singer in our family was a sewing machine - 2 true Irish bits
	9:15am Handy Haversack: Could be the stars in my ears.
	9:15am paul: Did Daniel invent the Blumin Onion?
	9:18am morphe': Joe... when yer Pan Premium arrives, it will be delivered to PoS and be throughly enjoyed - might even get copied - not for profit but for the love of Pan...
	9:18am Colleen: OOooohhhh soooooo gooooood
	9:18am Daniel Blumin: Get that premium and up your happiness quotient! 75 dollars!!!!
	👻 9:19am Webhamster Henry: My arms hurt listening to these pan rolls!
	9:19am The illuminated void: Once the native Americans believed everything was alive and we killed them. so much for crazy pants
	9:19am Motis: Henry, you're supposed to listen to them with your EARS.
	9:21am EdziuS: hhuuggee
	9:22am Charlie Spademan: Full MOUSE moon, fundraising
	9:23am Motis: Do you know what's worse than biting into the Moon and finding a mouse?
	9:23am morphe': Worm Moon =The last Full Moon of the winter season in March is the Worm Moon because of the earthworms that come out at the end of winter. Is is also known as the Crow Moon, Crust Moon, Sap Moon, Sugar Moon, and Chaste Moon. The Old English/Anglo-Saxon name is Lenten Moon. https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/moon/full-moon-names.html
	👻 9:25am karlward: Iowa Dream is a lovely record. You need it. PLEDGE
	9:25am Motis: OK, do you know what's worse than biting into the Moon and finding a worm?
	👻 9:25am Webhamster Henry: A 2 year old friend of mine was actually playing with an earthworm on Saturday. #wormmoonisreal
	9:26am Joe McG: I never actually heard the term Worm Moon until today.
	9:27am Joe McG: I quite like "Sugar Moon"!
	9:27am ParUbi: I guess this is when the soil thaws and they come up to greet the robins
	9:27am Motis: I like Tom Waits' "a bit of a buttery Cue Ball Moon"
	👻 9:28am Ken From Hyde Park: Next month will be the Hand Sanitizer Moon.
	9:29am Motis: ParUbi: if by 'greet' you mean scream "COME AND EAT ME"
	9:29am melinda: Sugar Moon has more appeal.
	9:30am Motis: "High Fructose Corn Syrup Moon"
	9:30am ParUbi: March moon names from Wikipedia: March: "Worm Moon", "Crow Moon", "Sap Moon", "Crust Moon", "Lenten Moon", "Wind Moon"
	9:31am Phillippe Bastille: Nice! Glad to hear Eddy back!
	9:32am Motis: "Breaking Wind Moon"
	9:32am Daniel Blumin: Pledge 20 bux or more an enter to win the Arthur Russell dubble lp!
	9:33am Handy Haversack: I was gonna say something about the etymology of the serviceberry and how these days you don't have to wait nearly as long to dig graves, but Wikipedia just told me that everything I thought was wrong. So ... happy Worm Moon, everyone! Morning, @Phillippe.
	9:34am Phillippe Bastille: Hey Handy!
	9:35am melinda: "It's all about chastity at WFMU" that's the funniest thing I've heard yet this marathon.
	9:36am Motis: Shhhh, Handy. . . you'll start an amelanchier
	9:37am AndyIowa: Morning DB, JM and fellow ‘FMU fans! Happy Marathon Week 2. Let’s get that goal. -AndyIowa in Brooklyn
	9:37am Handy Haversack: It's shad-a-licious. Baby.
	9:38am Motis: Sorbus, sorbet. . . I can't tell the diff
	9:39am Snoochienucci: Arthur Russell - always love everything i hear from him on WFMU, i NEVER remember to listen to him on my own thou. there are probably quite a few artist that i do that with lol
	9:40am Mike & Dusty: the Drill Sergeant! the original dB!
	9:40am morphe': Iowa... surprised never Clay spin this?
	9:40am Motis: Here ya go, Snooch: www.youtube.com...
	9:41am Motis: The Crazy World of Arthur Russell
	9:43am Handy Haversack: Smooth Joe McGasko very smoothly helped me through the process of upping my Swag for Life -- and I'm sure he can do the same for YOU!
	9:44am Daniel Blumin: Morning, Andy and thx fer yr pledge!
	9:47am Daniel Blumin: Hear, hear! Handy!
	9:49am Daniel Blumin: Bill Orcutt CD and Bill Fay LP's could be yrs fer a pledge of 20 dollaz or more! wfmu.org or 800.989.9368!
	9:50am chresti Griffith Park: Watching morning moon, drinking coffee with morning surface noise before work
	9:50am Handy Haversack: Good morning, Chresti!
	9:51am chresti Griffith Park: Morning Handy!
	9:51am Motis: Chresti: Still hungover from the Pink Floyd Laserium show, I hope?
	9:52am chresti Griffith Park: Motis, always hungover!
	9:53am Motis: HUNG LYFE
	9:54am Motis: Griffith Park is one of the things I miss about growing up in L.A.
	9:57am steveo: more cowbell!
	9:57am PKNY: I've known this version of "Cars" through a DJ Shadow mix a few years back, but never did a full background check on the Katzenjammers. From the Discogs, they also do a Captain & Tennille cover on this record!
	👻 9:57am P20: Just pledged (again), hoping for the Orcutt record!
	9:58am Yes: Good morning all
	9:59am Handy Haversack: Rolled a 19 for you on my desk icosahedron, @P20, so that's pretty good!
	10:00am Mike & Dusty: Daniel sounds like Joe Biden, if he were a little younger and cooler, and more honest too.
	10:01am Motis: Biden refuses to decriminalize music though
	10:06am Knormalish: I never win anything ... Best. Monday. Ever! - Kendra
	10:08am Handy Haversack: And the Providence Plantations.
	10:09am modern blaze: Joe, Daniel. yeah...
	10:09am zzz: definitely still have all my many CDs and no plans to get rid of them, people come over and think i am crazy. will CDs have a resurgence ?? decent used jazz CDs are surprisingly not cheap
	10:10am modern blaze: cd-r is good for share. think institute
	👻 10:10am P20: I prefer LPs but a lot of the new jazz I like only comes out on CD. The "death of the CD" is not good news for smaller jazz labels putting out releases of less-popular music.
	10:11am Motis: zzz: The thing about CDs is that they are utterly trivial to convert to a format -- like FLAC or MP3 -- that is not dependent on a medium.
	10:12am Handy Haversack: Love everything I hear off this América Invertida record -- but no working turntable around the Haversackery right now ...
	10:12am yes: This comp sounds cool
	10:12am Motis: So if we ignore the collectible value of some vinyl and are only talking about the value of the music, I'd MUCH rather inherit a giant CD collection than a giant vinyl collection.
	10:12am Joe McG: Pledges of $20 or more gets you in the running for this gorgeous collection of uncollected Uruguayan music from the '80s.
	10:13am Motis: This is nice and soothing
	10:14am Andrew Waterloo: I don't believe the vinyl resurgence could have gone as far without download cards and streaming
	10:15am Motis: The "vinyl resurgence" is not all that real, though. If you look at a graph of vinyl sales back in the days before CD, and compare with the spike that represents the so-called 'resurgence,' it makes it look just silly to call it that.
	10:15am Andrew Waterloo: I think jazz and classical will retain the use of CDs the same way hip-hop and dance retained the use of vinyl.
	10:16am Motis: Small jazz labels and others putting out music on CD shouldn't be in trouble. . . they're already producing digital music, and can now stop wasting money putting it on CDs, and push it straight to Internet instead. It should represent a cost savings, not a problem.
	10:17am Andrew Waterloo: @Mortis, people take for granted how much CDs did surge in the 90s. Heck some even like to say the music biz wasn't doing well. I wish I still had the article, but one researched linked the surge to easing of credit, and the drop to the credit crunch.
	10:17am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: I'm here for the music and camaraderie, good morning everyone.
	10:18am Motis: Andrew Waterloo: I'm not talking about the surge of CD sales; I'm talking about the so-called "vinyl resurgence," which is MINUSCULE compared with vinyl sales pre-CD.
	10:18am Tim 07030: haha. And I have a sister named Martha, Joe!
	10:19am Motis: Here, check this graph out: www.vinylplayerreview.com...
	10:19am Andrew Waterloo: @Motis. But, jazz is still very much a performance medium and the fans aren't interested in buying T-shirts. The CDs still play a valuable role as merchandise.
	10:20am Motis: Andrew Waterloo: OK, that sounds like a true thing. . . but thumb drives are cheaper and not dependent on a device that is quickly becoming archaic and rare.
	10:21am Motis: Pretty much every computer still has USB; fewer and fewer have CD or DVD drives.
	10:21am Andrew Waterloo: @Motis. But, most jazz fans are older and own a stereo with a CD component
	10:21am Tim 07030: I want to watch Ali McGraw waste away to THIS version!
	10:22am Andrew Waterloo: @Motis.. it's also not hard to find a USB optical player.
	10:22am Motis: Andrew, that sounds a little defeatist when you extrapolate a little. . . it's like you're saying jazz is dying.
	👻 10:22am P20: @Motis: I guess you are right. I just looed at the website of Pi records pirecordings.com... and now everything is available as a Bandcamp download as well as CD.
	10:23am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: Dear Motis, I agree with your accuracy on the use of the phrase but do you think "some people are now buying (vinyl) records that never did before" would get much attention? It's just another "flavor of the moment" thing to get attention, in my opinion. Also, SOME of us never stopped buying LPs. They just got harder to find in most instances.
	10:23am Motis: Where can I buy an Edison wax cylinder to USB drive?
	👻 10:23am P20: @Motis: It took them a while to get there though, for a long time if I wanted to hear, say, Henry Threadgill's "Zooid", my only option was CD
	10:23am Andrew_in_WI: Remind listeners that Bill Orcutt used to be in Harry Pussy
	10:24am Daniel Blumin: Congrats, Kendra! Who'll be the next have a fancypants Monday win????
	10:24am Motis: P20: Maybe not your ONLY option, but your only legal option. Torrent sites have had ripped CDs for decades now.
	10:24am melinda: I like CDs, having everything stored in a computer or MP3 player seems too vulnerable.
	10:25am Motis: melinda: If you're not backing up your hard drive regularly, you're DOIN' IT WRONG
	👻 10:25am P20: @Motis: that may be true but I'd rather pay Henry Threadgill for his wonderful music.
	10:27am Motis: P20: I happen to have some specialized knowledge regarding the uses of BitTorrent, and I have to object to the idea -- aggressively spread by the MPAA and RIAA -- that torrenters are just thieves. Most of them are happy to pay for music and movies that are worth paying for; they just don't want to pay for music and movies the way one might pay a carnival barker to see the Feejee Mermaid. Also, some people honestly cannot afford to pay for CDs or DVDs; should they be denied culture because of poverty?
	10:29am Motis: There's a Viggo Mortensen film called THE MAN FROM EARTH that was low-budget and released straight to DVD. . . the torrenting community liked it and spread it far and wide on torrent sites. As a result, a huge number of unexpected DVD sales were made, and the producers and director of the film publicly thanked torrenters for sharing it around and making it a success.
	👻 10:31am P20: @Motis: For stuff that is in-print and readily purchasable I don't think it's really justifiable.
	10:32am Andrew Waterloo: @Motis, no.. just saying that jazz has a particular audience and will continue to behave differently than other genres. Jazz smaller but very active live audience. Eventually people will move on to simply logging onto band camp or bookmarking on a streaming service, but for now the audience likes to be able to get a CD of the performance... something tactile, all though the nature of jazz is the performance is often not on record yet.
	10:32am Motis: The only releases that make less money because of torrenting are gigantic corporate-backed stuff. . . and frankly, I don't care at all if the new Metallica album or Spiderman XXVII make nine gajillion billion dollars instead of ten. Independent releases BENEFIT from being freely shared, because people are basically good, and want to give money to artists whose work they like. Once upon a time, I was able to do polling within a closed, trusted community of over 20,000 torrenters. . . and 83% of them said they still bought CDs and DVDs even though they knew how to get whatever they wanted for free.
	10:33am Andrew Waterloo: torrenting collapsed the perceived value of media.
	10:33am Motis: Andrew Waterloo: They don't need CDs for that, though. . . they could buy access to music on a website, for instance.
	👻 10:33am P20: @Motis: All very standard arguments that I've heard many times before. I'm still not buying it.
	10:34am Andrew Waterloo: @Motis... argue all you want.. That's the way it is. Come out to a jazz show sometime and experience reality.
	10:34am Motis: P20: "stuff that is in-print and readily purchasable" is still stuff you may not have heard or seen, though. Would you buy a car without test-driving it, or even being able to look at it? That's what I meant by my "Feejee Mermaid" analogy. . . there's a tent with an exhibit in it, and you have to pay some sleazy carney to look inside. NO, you don't get your money back if what's in the tent is just shit, or a scam.
	10:35am Motis: Torrenting is NOT theft; it's try-before-you-buy. My polling proved that.
	10:35am zzz: i dont know much about torrenting, but doesnt a, for example, small jazz label (not to mention the artists themselves) stand to not really make any $ from streaming exclusively? Not an expert in this ...
	👻 10:35am P20: @Motis: This is how the music business works. People who produce and sell products get to decide how they want to sell them. It's not up to you to create a new business model. If you don't want to see the "Feejee Mermaid", walk away from the carnival barker.
	10:36am Motis: zzz: The outlay for offering the music online is MUCH less than producing CDs, so there's far less risk, and a bigger or equivalent profit margin at a much lower price.
	10:37am Motis: P20: That's NOT how the music business works, because the RIAA cannot stop people from sharing. What you're describing is how the RIAA wishes the music business would work, but doesn't anymore.
	10:38am Motis: And again, your bluenosed insistence on buying into the RIAA's bullshit means that poor people get denied culture because they cannot afford it. You think that's a good thing, really?
	👻 10:38am P20: @Motis: I mean, that's how record stores work. There's no "test drive". (Unless you go to a very cool record store!)
	10:38am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: This thread seems like a smokescreen- just pony up and get your radio/heart icons, THEN chitter-chatter all you want about the cost of goods and services. Listening now? Contribute. For Joe, for the kids.
	10:38am Daniel Blumin: The goal has been set - help Joe get there, everyone!!! wfmu.org/donate or 800.989.9368
	10:38am Motis: Back in the day, LOTS of record stores had in-store turntables with headphones, so you could indeed try before buying.
	10:38am Handy Haversack: I had to go talk to my boss about how terrible everything is -- who won América Invertida, and would you describe their joy level as "elevated"?
	👻 10:39am P20: @Motis: yeah, how about a pledge to WFMU to show you are not just being cheap?
	👻 10:39am tim from champaign (now washington): Hey Joe! Keep pledging folks! Let's get Joe to his goal.
	10:39am Yes: This is fun
	10:40am Motis: I'm very sick and completely broke and living on the charity of my friends, P20. It's sad to say and hard to admit, but it's true. I cannot afford culture. I can't afford to give money to WFMU. I wish I could; I love this station and want it to be well-funded.
	10:40am Daniel Blumin: Will in Philly, Handy! And yes I dare say very elevated!
	10:41am Handy Haversack: Well, that Phllies me with joy, too!
	👻 10:41am P20: @Motis: Sorry, not trying to make you feel bad.
	10:41am Marc Francis: Howdy Joe! Howdy Daniel!
	10:41am Alvy Singer: Mister Cumbia is right. Don't forget to wash your hands.
	10:42am Motis: My entire life savings has been eaten away by medical expenses, and if I did not have people who love me, I would already be dead, or at least dying in a gutter somewhere, exposed to the elements and begging for food. If you hate me and that makes you feel glee, then enjoy it. I'm not proud of my situation and don't like airing it about, but it's the truth and it's why I don't have a pledge icon.
	10:42am Daniel Blumin: Howdy, Marc!
	👻 10:42am P20: @Motis: No hate and I'm really sorry
	10:42am melinda: @Motis I am backing up my hard drive regularly. Having CDs, vinyl or cassettes means you can still play music when your computer or device is on the fritz or your internet goes down.
	10:42am Yami: Lol Joe! You really played it
	10:42am ParUbi: América Invertida? As in the artwork?
	10:43am Motis: P20: So this makes what you're saying about the music industry business model personal. They're not going to get any money out of me because I don't have any. . . but you're saying that THEREFORE, I should be denied access to music and movies, even though I can get them without it costing the industry people a cent.
	👻 10:44am P20: @Motis: it's a little complicated and I don't want to argue any more. I'm really sorry for your situation.
	👻 10:46am P20: @Motis: I'm sorry this turned into an argument. Really, all I was trying to say is that I prefer supporting small labels by buying their products. I'm not a shill for the RIAA and I'm not trying to make you or anyone feel bad.
	10:47am ParUbi: Like Pittsburgh! Pittsburgh people represent!
	10:48am Lewis: If only there was someone in Pittsburgh with a really strong WFMU connection...
	10:49am TomDash: Hey Joe & Daniel - great show, as always - good luck hitting your goal! Joe, I'm from Allentown - how about you?
	10:49am Motis: See, the MIAA and RIAA have put decades of effort into trying to convince people that every single free download by torrenters is a LOST SALE. That isn't true; many people download for free stuff that they wouldn't or couldn't pay for anyway. On the other hand, sharing stuff around means more people get exposed to it, and those who love it are mostly -- 83%, anyway -- then willing to go out and buy a copy of it. Further polling revealed that they do this because they like to support artists, and because they like having tangibles like the art that comes in a CD or DVD jewel case. The picture of torrenters as evil thieves is utterly false. I already mentioned THE MAN FROM EARTH; other indie releases have benefited greatly from filesharing as well. Corey Doctorow releases all his novels as free torrents before they come out in paperback, because when he had no audience, he did that as an experiment with his first novel, and BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKED IT (an important point), he sold a ton more than he expected when it came out as a physical book.
	10:49am Brendan: @Joe well said. You are like the compounding pharmacy of music, concocting just the elixir we need.
	10:49am melinda: @Lewis haha
	10:49am Handy Haversack: Pittsburgh! Yinze are bringing it! I live in the small, provincial town of Brooklyn and get pretty much all of my news and current events from WFMU.
	10:51am Motis: I'm not mad at you P2, but I hope you see my points clearer now. Those small jazz labels you want to support would BENEFIT from putting out authorized torrents, and including a text file telling people how to pay for the music. . . but a lot of people who can't or won't buy it will download it, which is fine, and anyone who downloads it and doesn't think it's good isn't going to pay for it, which is also fine.
	10:51am morphe': Time change- as I wrote on Clay's show.. Europe does not change time until the 29th so some listeners(many) here might be off schedule - a
	10:54am Daniel Blumin: Pledge fer the dang Monroes!!!!!! And that drum fill coming!!!
	10:55am Matt Fiveash: Hi Joe & Blumin!! Much as I hate to interrupt this vigorous debate, I must report that I received an in-person cash donation for the marathon from a customer at work yesterday. 220 bucks! Thanks to luddite pals Bruno and Garrett in Sunset Park, Brooklyn.
	10:55am Roberto: Nice drum fill!
	10:55am Handy Haversack: Woo hoo! There it is! Pledge it up!
	10:55am Daniel Blumin: Oh crap - the big guns!!! Pledge ya, Freeformists!
	10:56am Motis: I just want to point out that this is NOT a fight, and as far as I know, nobody talking about filesharing is angry. We're just having a discussion.
	10:56am Joe McG: @MattF: Wow, now that's pretty cool.
	👻 10:56am tim from champaign (now washington): Go luddites!
	10:56am PersistanceOfVision: Anyone elses stream messed up?
	10:56am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: Do it for the 'Gulls. Do it for the pomps and shoulder pads. Just pledge. If you can, that is. Great show per always, sir.
	10:57am Motis: @PersistanceOfVision: All good here in Florida; must be a local problem.
	👻 10:58am 12539: My stream is full of big hair.
	10:58am John from Florham park: Oh god not the seagulls NOOOO
	10:58am melinda: @Matt cool!
	10:58am Motis: A Flock of Haircut 100 Luftballoon Duran
	👻 10:59am P20: Peace. (and Pizza).
	10:59am Matt Fiveash: Joe- Will hand you the money, wrapped in bar napkin with their snail mail address written on it, later!
	10:59am ParUbi: Sounds like this record has experienced a lot of love over the years
	11:00am Daniel Blumin: Now that's great news, Matt! Better than Western Union!
	11:00am John from Florham park: @Parubi Flock of seagulls oh HELL NO
	11:00am Matt Fiveash: Haha!
	11:00am Motis: 'Western Union' always makes me think of briefs, aka "y-fronts" to our UK friends. . . because "DUN-DA-DUNs" are what we called them when I was a kid, thanks to Superman wearing his on the outside.
	👻 11:01am Webhamster Henry: Western Union: It's Joe's "Thing With A Hook"
	11:01am Motis: "The Tighty Whities" would be a pretty sweet band name
	11:02am Chi Bill: Wow! Western Union! Don't think I heard in 50 years! Very nice past blast, thanks Joe! Hey! what's that noise?!?!
	11:03am Jessie: Happy Monday! Enjoying this great show.
	11:03am Handy Haversack: That was only like 270 revolutions!
	11:04am ParUbi: Any DJs like to play the reel-to-reels? Someone mentioned that there are a pile of them in the basement or something.
	11:05am John from Florham park: @Handy morning @Parubi morning
	11:05am ParUbi: You did! Good work, Daniel!
	11:05am PersistanceOfVision: This YINZER donated Friday!
	11:05am steveo: When I was a young teen, I mailed a cassette to my favorite commercial station and asked them to play it. They actually wrote back to apologize that the sound quality was too low. (It was Bob & Doug McKenzie)
	11:05am Handy Haversack: Hey, John! How's the Monday so far?
	11:05am ParUbi: Hi @John!
	11:06am John from Florham park: Question for the listmind, how big is the famous record library that WFMU has
	11:06am Brendan: Western Union, what ? Were the telegraph and pony express down today?
	11:06am steveo: my father and his family are from Pittsburgh, but I can't recall any of them saying "yinz"
	11:06am Motis: ParUbi: Oooooh, I hope someone gives them some love soon. Those old reel-to-reels have a big problem as they age, with the coating coming off the substrate. There are companies that will do a special baking process on them so that you can play them ONCE and digitize them. . . god knows how much music has been lost because it was on old tape. One nice thing about vinyl is that it is well-suited to preserve music through long periods during which it is out of vogue, for later discovery by new generations.
	11:07am John from Florham park: @Handy fell asleep and I had stuff to do but all finished
	11:07am JakeGould: Hello Joe and Danie!! Remember, if you hold onto your tuchus, wash your hands for 20 seconds afterwards.
	11:07am Brendan: @steveo those hosers
	11:08am Greg from ZONE 5: Jabronis. Mindfulness for Jabronis.
	11:08am Handy Haversack: One very comforting thing I like about western PA is how you can just order "lager" and no one is confused and you are served Yuengling. I need to live in the world of TV beer, where you just have to order "beer" and then you are served it. If it's in a can that just says "BEER," so much the better. I'd like to fall asleep again, John!
	11:09am ParUbi: I swear the tape is the premium I'm most excited about, especially after hearing Clay's piece
	11:10am ParUbi: I love Pittsburgh more than I thought I would. Moved here 7 years ago or so, and it's a... very FMU type of city
	👻 11:10am P20: @HH: I've been in Germany and said "Ein Bier bitte" and it worked, no questions asked. Or else maybe they just thought I was an idiot.
	11:10am John from Florham park: @Handy the bad thing about falling asleep is that I miss stuff on WFMU
	11:11am melinda: @ParUbi I missed that one, must be good.
	11:12am Handy Haversack: @P20, yeah, hard to know, but I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt! @ParUbi, I have not spent as much time as I'd like in Pittsburgh, but I have only ever had good times there, and I find it beautiful. Hope to get out there at some point this spring for some urban canoeing.
	11:12am John from Florham park: @Parubi that surprised me about Pittsburgh, I know it is not all style and the Steelers
	👻 11:12am tim from champaign (now washington): @Handy - are you old enough to remember generic products that were self labeled? Like generic beer just had BEER printed on the can.
	11:12am John from Florham park: I mean steel parubi
	👻 11:13am P20: @tim from champaign: have you ever seen "Repo Man" ?
	11:13am Handy Haversack: @tim, yes! In grocery stores -- I found it so comforting. It somehow just eases a brain itch for me for brand names and styles to be discarded.
	11:13am Lewis: Food
	11:14am melinda: @Par what is an FMU-type city? Sounds appealing.
	11:14am ParUbi: @John-- that makes more sense. Pittsburgh has a lot of culture and music for a fairly small city.
	👻 11:14am tim from champaign (now washington): I could be opening a can of worms with this statement, but I've always considered Pittsburgh and Western PA to be part of the midwest.
	11:14am ParUbi: @melinda-- lots of museums, record stores, bookstores, live music, etc.
	👻 11:14am tim from champaign (now washington): @P20 - you know it!
	11:14am Daniel Blumin: See, if I had this in my record bag back at UCL, I would've gotten the gig, Joe!
	11:15am melinda: @P20 one of my favorite movies
	11:15am Handy Haversack: Oh, this is amazing, Joe McG. I keep trying to find 30 seconds to listen to the movie a friend took during gaming of my dog sucking on a bison bone, but I can't stop the Surface Noise!
	11:15am βrian: I always considered Michigan to be part of the midwest. Then I moved to Wisconsin.
	11:16am ParUbi: Pittsburgh is definitely rust belt, so I can see the Midwest point. But I moved to PA from the west coast, so it's all the East to me.
	11:17am Motis: @Handy Haversack: I lived in Moscow, Russia for a year and a half, and in China for five years. . . all the brand names there get COUNTERFEITED, so it's extra double super secret mondo confusing. One day in China, I ambled into an electronics store and saw shelf after shelf laden with SONY equipment, which baffled me at first, because SONY is a Japanese brand, and why would the Chinese import all that expensive stuff when they make so much of their own? Then I took a closer look and saw that the SONY logo, while otherwise perfect, actually said SQNY.
	👻 11:17am tim from champaign (now washington): Definitely Rust belt midwest.
	11:18am Motis: In Russia you run into an awful lot of counterfeit Stolichnaya, and Baltika beer. If you're lucky, it will be good, and not contain much antifreeze.
	👻 11:18am P20: Rust belt != Midwest
	11:18am Brendan: In former Soviet Union, state produced beer is called B33R -it is only beer available. Not good ,but better than state sanctioned Vodka which is called ‘Vodka’ and only suitable for tractor fuel.
	👻 11:19am P20: Rust belt starts in upstate NY.
	11:19am Motis: @Brendan: I know you're joking, but for the sake of accuracy, Russia has many, many brands and styles of both beer and vodka. Baltika alone has like a dozen different beers.
	👻 11:20am P20: The Midwest is vast - it includes Kansas and Nebraska and the Dakotas. Pennsylvania is too far east, IMO. To me, Ohio is barely midwestern. (Even though officially it is).
	👻 11:21am P20: There should be some other name for the zone that includes western NY state, western PA, Ohio, and Indiana.
	11:21am ParUbi: Mid-atlantic, I guess @P20
	11:22am Motis: China has a lot of terrible beer, but it's very cheap -- like the 528 brand -- and may not make you go blind for more than fifteen minutes at a time. . . but they ALSO have this whole big bunch of beers made by Tsing Tao that are German-style, because Tsing Tao brewery was founded by Germans who came to China. Their Haidao Black is EXCELLENT.
	👻 11:22am P20: @ParUbi: no, MidAtlantic states have to touch the Atlantic coast!
	11:22am βrian: When I was growing up, we thought of Ohio as being in the South. Heh.
	11:22am Joe McG: SUSS - how beautiful! Pledges of $20 or more may net you this LP.
	11:23am melinda: The Midwest is vast and most parts are flavored by neighboring regions.
	11:23am Motis: China produces some really good dry red wines, too, but they export most of it because Chinese people mostly don't like wine unless it's sweet. I've seen the dry reds being sold with a can of Coca-Cola taped to the bottle as a package deal, because people MIX THEM.
	11:24am ParUbi: @P20-- Right, they are more easterly. Weirdly, PA and West Virginia are still counted as Mid-Atlantic though
	11:24am βrian: The midwest is where everybody knows what a shell of beer is. (Wait, does that extend east?)
	11:24am John from Florham park: @Parubi I remember asking you about WYEP and your telling me that it was not as freeform as it once was
	11:25am Motis: OK, who says 'pop' and who says 'soda?' Michiganders just say 'Faygo'
	11:25am Hopey Sockmonkey: YES. Love this EP.
	11:25am melinda: I think of Pittsburgh as Eastern too.
	11:25am Lewis: One of the Great Ring of Fire covers ever!
	11:25am ParUbi: Yes, WYEP is a pretty good station, but not at all in the same league as FMU.
	👻 11:26am tim from champaign (now washington): A Michiganism that I'm unable to shake (and don't want to) is calling liquor stores "party stores".
	👻 11:26am Webhamster Henry: Ring Of Fire on Steel Pans would be great!
	11:26am Handy Haversack: @tim, ha, yes. Calling 'em like it is! Zappa did a reggae "Ring of Fire," @Henry.
	11:26am John from Florham park: @Parubi WFMU is in a league of its own
	11:27am βrian: Well, it's soda pop, so take your pick.
	11:27am Greg from ZONE 5: Guess it depends on your vantage point. Looking at it from Jersey City, Philly is East Coast and Pittsburgh is the beginning of the Midwest.
	11:27am melinda: Rust Belt is sort of its own region.
	11:28am Motis: Heh. Back in the '80s, I saw WALL OF VOODOO play at a theater in Hollywood on Vine, just north of Hollywood Blvd. . . and the week before the show, I picked up some day labor painting the stage black. As I was leaving, I ran into some guy walking the other way up the street, and he looked familiar to me in that way of someone from the music scene you've seen around but never formally met. I said 'hi' and told him he could pick up some good day labor at the theater I had just come out of; he gave me an amused look and thanked me. I walked down the street and around the corner and realized that I didn't know him from around the music scene; he was Harry Dean Stanton.
	11:28am Brendan: Stan Ridgeway could read a lawn mower manual and it would be mesmerizing
	11:29am Motis: I hope I didn't hurt his feelings. . . like "hey, don't quit your day job, ya hack!"
	11:29am Mike & Dusty: Wall of Voodoo presaging that long-awaited Devo/Lubricated Goat collab
	11:30am melinda: @Tim that’s a good one! Reminds me of a drive-through liquor store in Austin called the Party Barn, don’t know if it’s still there.
	11:30am Matt Fiveash: Joe's got high Stannards
	👻 11:30am tim from champaign (now washington): Come on, peoples, let's get Joe to the goal. He only has 30% to go with 16% of his show left!
	11:31am Motis: I miss the coneys in Michigan. . . Abe's in Ypsilanti!
	11:31am JakeGould: @Tim: You a bookie or something?
	11:31am John from Florham park: @Melinda it’s still there in Austin
	11:31am Hopey Sockmonkey: Back in the day I saw Wall of Voodoo open for a band that I cannot remember at the moment (it was at California Hall on Polk). The audience booed them.
	11:32am Rich in Washington: WoV's Ring of Fire was the first time I ever heard a real song by a real group licensed for use in a real porno film. It was in dir. Rinse Dream's surreal Night Dreams. I guess Johnny Cash's publishing company needed revenue or something.
	11:32am Handy Haversack: Forgot to sign my pledge with my board name, @Joe and Daniel. But it's in there.
	11:32am MUWFinMA: wall of voodoo were quite good & that cover superb -thx
	11:32am ParUbi: I lived in the Ann Arbor area for a while. They certainly had their share of record stores when I was there.
	11:32am melinda: Once on a road trip my dad said he wanted to stop at a package store and I wondered why he needed to mail a package at that moment, didn’t know it was the old timer term for liquor store.
	11:33am JakeGould: @ParUbi: When I lived in Madison, WI for a short while back in the 1990s, the record store and live show variety was actually nicer than NYC in many ways.
	11:33am Rich in Washington: i absolutely love Wall of Voodoo's Morricone Themes medley. They allegedly started out as a soundtrack company.
	11:33am morphe': Thanks, Joe and D and all... Thanks too Joe for the upcoming, unpaid Swag Overtime...
	11:33am John from Florham park: @Melinda ha ha
	11:33am Handy Haversack: ... that was me. With the dog.
	11:34am morphe': Sex
	11:34am melinda: @Motis that’s a great story!
	11:34am ParUbi: @melinda-- yes, that baffled me too. Even youngish people will call liquor stores "package stores" out here
	11:34am glass of water: sEx
	11:35am Andrew_in_WI: I'll adopt Joe!
	11:35am morphe': Errata - edit the S word
	👻 11:35am tim from champaign (now washington): A drive though package party barn!
	11:36am Handy Haversack: Full of brandless BEER.
	11:38am melinda: @Par weird! A friend who grew up in Connecticut said they would call it the Packy, but that was in the 70s. Funny how some things persist.
	11:39am SeanG: poetic "justice"
	11:39am modern blaze: missed ring of fire part
	11:39am ParUbi: @melinda-- actually, the person I first heard it from also lived in Connecticut for a while. Maybe it's a Connecticut thing...
	11:42am Daniel Blumin: Keep pledging, folks! The goal is very much in sight!!! Support Gentleman Joe!!!!
	11:42am modern blaze: universal peace to all folkiez!
	11:43am Daniel Blumin: The Time for Peace Is Now: Gospel Music About Us - get in the running fer this LP fer 20 bux or more!
	11:44am modern blaze: D, your little radio transistor is too cute it makes me think of my childhood
	11:45am JakeGould: @ParUbi: There are still “Packaged Goods” stores in New Jersey. They were designated sellers of beer and liquor but also be a bar. It all depends on the “blue laws” of the state and region.
	11:46am ParUbi: @Jake-- that makes sense. PA sure has its share of weird liquor laws.
	11:47am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: Weighing in on the liquor thread; growing up and living in "the south", you NEVER see a LIQUOR store, always a "package" or perhaps a "bottle shop". Always thought it was weird. Let's just be adult and call it what it is, shall we? Probably a church/bible belt thing.
	11:47am Motis: @melinda Thanks!
	11:48am Yes: Joe makes me feel glad that I'm not dead
	11:48am ParUbi: Getting philosophical, Joe! I like it!
	11:49am radioschizo: Who am I?
	👻 11:49am tim from champaign (now washington): Amen, Joe!
	11:49am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: JakeGould, I was surprised the first time I visited God's Country, er, I mean N.J., and saw that you could actually DRINK at a liquor store/bar. Then buy a bottle, look for your keys and HIT THE ROAD, Jack!
	11:50am P-90: “Internal squabbles” at WFMU?! I can’t imagine such a thing...
	11:50am Motis: I believe they were called "package stores" to distinguish them from establishments in which you could drink what you bought. You can't drink in a package store; they only sell packaged liquor for consumption elsewhere.
	11:51am thriftstoreleather: I like the Wedding album
	11:51am melinda: @Itzall yeah, the area we were in, where my dad grew up, was West Texas where some counties were dry, maybe still are.
	11:52am tripod: Masterful plug for the station, Joe.
	11:52am Motis: LIONEL HAMPTON'S EARWAX
	11:54am Motis: "Little Shadow" by the Yeah Yeah Yeahs makes me want to curl up and die of bittersweet loneliness
	11:54am ParUbi: Dog-friendly is saying something on this station. Not all dogs can handle the marbles-in-the-blender genre
	11:54am melinda: People drink at liquor stores in New Jersey?
	11:55am John from Florham park: @Melinda no about liquor store’s
	11:55am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: Dear melinda, Yes you can, if they are designated as a liquor store/BAR. It's odd.
	11:56am ParUbi: Oh no.... the Eagles
	11:56am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: Passaic County- been there, done that.
	11:56am ParUbi: Pennsylvania represent!!
	👻 11:56am 12539: Thank! You! Joe! Daniel! Pledgers!
	11:56am modern blaze: Georgia's on my mind!
	11:56am Joe McG: Thanks for listening and commenting, everybody!
	11:57am Motis: ParUbi: This one's for you, shipmate! youtu.be...
	11:57am Handy Haversack: Francine in Clifton FTW!
	11:57am Snoochienucci: good times Joe! see ya next week
	11:57am JakeGould: @Motis: Well, I know there are still a few bars out there that also sell “Packaged Goods.”
	11:57am Handy Haversack: Play MARILLION!!!
	11:58am JakeGould: @ItzallClearD'meNåu: Also, unlike NYC across the river, you hear kids wanting to go to liquor stores because many are like corner candy stores as well.
	11:58am Motis: @JakeGould: Sure. It's not like a LAW or something; just a convenient way to denote a store without a bar in the old days.
	11:58am ParUbi: @Motis-- haha, I love Mojo Nixon, nice!
	11:58am Itzall ClearD'me Nåu: "Warm smell of fajitas..." and a Corona.
	11:58am Greg from ZONE 5: Congrats, Joe! Another year in the books.
	11:59am P-90: Thanks and congrats, Joe McG and Daniel B
	11:59am Handy Haversack: Wow, it's noon! Thanks, Joe and Daniel!!
	11:59am ParUbi: Thanks for all you do, Joe!
	11:59am Handy Haversack: (And play Marillion!!)
	11:59am P-90: Wunderschnapps indeed!
	12:00pm Motis: I'm originally from Southern California, and grew up with the phrase "liquor store" meaning what is now called a "convenience store." In other words, a place that does sell alcoholic beverages, but also sells a ton of sundry items like candy and bread and milk and hot dogs and and and. . . When I got out in the world and started traveling a lot, I noticed the differences in other States, where they have "off-licenses" and "package stores" and so on, and in some places, a "liquor store" was JUST liquor.

Surface Noise with Joe McGasko: Playlist from March 9, 2020

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